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Pinocchio

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It's not a question of you believing the claims or not. It's about you thinking Mew nudged attention to Kermit possibly being neutral while you yourself first shoved the idea out there by directly asking Kermit right after the claim. I'm trying to sort out why what Mew did is a problem while your move wasn't too.
Because they tried to set up an elimination on Kermit based on it.
 

Fozzie Bear

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There’s definitely a world where this vote doesn’t matter by the way so I’m not as pressed as I may seem. One of the links I saw to Pinocchio is that Mew might be purposely trying to distance from him (which Mew kind of admitted to as well?) so if one of these two flip scum it does not in any way absolve the other.

But I am annoyed that Kermit is being butthurt that I voted him temporarily and not even at the end of the day he is mad about.
 

Abby Cadabby

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Because they tried to set up an elimination on Kermit based on it.
This?
So town is Bert/Fozzie/Oscar/Charlie. I'm posing this to everyone though I especially wanna hear from those four. Are we cool leaving a poisoner on the table? If tomorrow hits and we lose a town player, Kermit has to go imo.
Okay, I think I finally follow you buuuut.....That's it?! That Mew asked if we should leave a poisoner alive?!
 

Pinocchio

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There’s definitely a world where this vote doesn’t matter by the way so I’m not as pressed as I may seem. One of the links I saw to Pinocchio is that Mew might be purposely trying to distance from him (which Mew kind of admitted to as well?) so if one of these two flip scum it does not in any way absolve the other.

But I am annoyed that Kermit is being butthurt that I voted him temporarily and not even at the end of the day he is mad about.
As in, Mew set up a Scum v Scum EoD for Town cred?
 

Jeff Tracy

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Huh, maybe the play was to make us think Piggy and Mew were paired to make it harder to solve pairs in endgame while giving Pinnocchio cred?
 

Abby Cadabby

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Oh sure, I ignored it because I think you are Miss Piggy.
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Pinocchio

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Huh, maybe the play was to make us think Piggy and Mew were paired to make it harder to solve pairs in endgame while giving Pinnocchio cred?
What are you talking about? I was the one suggesting we should find pairs. It's not my fault nobody cared to look for them.
 

Jeff Tracy

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I looked through Piggy's posts to see if there were any similarities with Pinocchio.
  • Both seemed to treat scum as a proper noun e.g Scum instead of scum but Piggy seems less consistent here.
  • Both used the word townie.
  • Both alternate having a "." at the end of sentences or not.
  • Piggy's day one is shorter and more terse sentences but day two has bigger posts which look similar to the pushes Pinocchio produced today.
Nothing definitive, but I could see their posts coming from the same voice. Maybe scum would hide these things better or maybe they stand out more if they differ from your own post style.
 
==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start

Mr. Mew (4 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,326
Abby Cadabby - #1,380 #1,436
Lamb Chop - #1,382
Jeff Tracy - #1,433
Elmo - #1,435 #1,456
Pinocchio - #1,495

Pinocchio (3 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,296 #1,298
Fozzie Bear - #1,442
Mr. Mew - #1,474
Abby Cadabby - #1,482

Fozzie Bear (1 votes)
Kermit the Frog - #1,462

Lamb Chop (0 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,340 #1,403

Triumph the Comic Dog (0 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,302 #1,340

Jeff Tracy (0 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,298 #1,326

Abby Cadabby (0 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,403 #1,474

Not voting: Elmo, Oscar the Grouch

Post Counts:
Fozzie Bear: 38 Abby Cadabby: 35 Triumph the Comic Dog: 32 Pinocchio: 25 Mr. Mew: 24 Jeff Tracy: 21 Elmo: 16 Kermit the Frog: 15 Lamb Chop: 12 Oscar the Grouch: 7

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Pinocchio

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I looked through Piggy's posts to see if there were any similarities with Pinocchio.
  • Both seemed to treat scum as a proper noun e.g Scum instead of scum but Piggy seems less consistent here.
  • Both used the word townie.
  • Both alternate having a "." at the end of sentences or not.
  • Piggy's day one is shorter and more terse sentences but day two has bigger posts which look similar to the pushes Pinocchio produced today.
Nothing definitive, but I could see their posts coming from the same voice. Maybe scum would hide these things better or maybe they stand out more if they differ from your own post style.
And I also definitely stayed up 24 hours straight to continuously post in this thread I guess.
 

Elmo

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Where do you want to go? I think we can reasonably hit scum with either, but we should bring the wagons to 5 votes to avoid accidental ties.

Honestly super unsure. Pinnochio was someone on my radar earlier on, but I guess I'm a little nervous of this late swing to them. I was kind of sold on mew as this day phase has gone on. I also feel generally better about the people on pinnochios wagon.
 

Jeff Tracy

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I can see if this brings any movement. I can't tell if this team is just running down the clock or hoping for us to second guess it.
Vote: Pinocchio
 

Jeff Tracy

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Honestly super unsure. Pinnochio was someone on my radar earlier on, but I guess I'm a little nervous of this late swing to them. I was kind of sold on mew as this day phase has gone on. I also feel generally better about the people on pinnochios wagon.
I'm having a tough time with either wagon, if this is scum vs scum where is the third scum sitting?
 

Jeff Tracy

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And I also definitely stayed up 24 hours straight to continuously post in this thread I guess.
Sorry does this mean Piggy was active in hours you were not? It's pretty hard to catch that on skim rereads so I can't verify right now.
You mentioned looking for town pairs, were there any that stood out? If you have something I might switch back here.
 
==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End

Pinocchio (4 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,296 #1,298
Fozzie Bear - #1,442
Mr. Mew - #1,474
Abby Cadabby - #1,482
Jeff Tracy - #1,527

Mr. Mew (3 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,326
Abby Cadabby - #1,380 #1,436
Lamb Chop - #1,382
Jeff Tracy - #1,433 #1,527
Elmo - #1,435 #1,456
Pinocchio - #1,495

Fozzie Bear (1 votes)
Kermit the Frog - #1,462

Lamb Chop (0 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,340 #1,403

Triumph the Comic Dog (0 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,302 #1,340

Jeff Tracy (0 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,298 #1,326

Abby Cadabby (0 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,403 #1,474

Not voting: Elmo, Oscar the Grouch

Post Counts:
Fozzie Bear: 38 Abby Cadabby: 35 Triumph the Comic Dog: 33 Pinocchio: 27 Mr. Mew: 24 Jeff Tracy: 24 Elmo: 19 Kermit the Frog: 15 Lamb Chop: 12 Oscar the Grouch: 7

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You are one of the most famous puppets of all time, the green frog himself. You refuse to let anyone ruin this particular performance, so you’ve taken matters into your own hands and are ready to kill.

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Abby Cadabby

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I don't know what to make of Jeff and Elmo playing with their food last night. I understand Jeff preferring to not have a tie situation since Elmo was around, but both came off like paranoid scum afraid how to play their EoD with Mew. I felt good about Elmo prior, but this:
I'm probably just going to cowardly no vote if things stay this way
The goodwill I had towards Elmo went kablooey.
 
I don't know what to make of Jeff and Elmo playing with their food last night. I understand Jeff preferring to not have a tie situation since Elmo was around, but both came off like paranoid scum afraid how to play their EoD with Mew. I felt good about Elmo prior, but this:

The goodwill I had towards Elmo went kablooey.
Nahh you can't be scum. Please don't be scum
 
If you're saying this while you're yourself actually scum, then hat's off to you lol
I wish I were that sneaky

I think I go back to Jeff Tracy. But I don't have time to analyze now. He was off wagon D1, was early on Miss Piggy D2 (I'll have to check if it was before or after claim, but it could have been a very strategic bus), on Grogu D3 and D4.

Jeff's play is too clean, and that might be a scum tell
 

Abby Cadabby

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Will have to really dig deep here. At least let's try to give scum a run for their money...
Amen. I'll be here a bit if you are.

I wish I were that sneaky

I think I go back to Jeff Tracy. But I don't have time to analyze now. He was off wagon D1, was early on Miss Piggy D2 (I'll have to check if it was before or after claim, but it could have been a very strategic bus), on Grogu D3 and D4.

Jeff's play is too clean, and that might be a scum tell
I've re-read Elmo semi-recently, but not Jeff. Going to look there now.
 

Elmo

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I don't know what to make of Jeff and Elmo playing with their food last night. I understand Jeff preferring to not have a tie situation since Elmo was around, but both came off like paranoid scum afraid how to play their EoD with Mew. I felt good about Elmo prior, but this:

The goodwill I had towards Elmo went kablooey.

I wasn't confident and then when Jeff moved his vote which put Pinnochio heavily in the lead late there wasn't much point to vote unless you pile of Pinnochio which at that point what was the point.

Besides I can be equally suspicious of you and fozzie. Fozzie who successfully started a late train on town and you who jumped on.
 
I think I'm kinda town on lamb chop, which means Mew, Jeff and Elmo as scum. That's possible I think. It's been really hard though as elmo has hardly voted. Unvote D1 because of a tie, actually had a vote down on D2 and D4 but nothing on the rest of the days. Makes really hard to track, plus I've been assuming scum would not no vote
 

Elmo

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I think I'm kinda town on lamb chop, which means Mew, Jeff and Elmo as scum. That's possible I think. It's been really hard though as elmo has hardly voted. Unvote D1 because of a tie, actually had a vote down on D2 and D4 but nothing on the rest of the days. Makes really hard to track, plus I've been assuming scum would not no vote

Makes you think
 

Abby Cadabby

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Jeff does look clean, and yeah---it comes down to what you said. Is it too clean? I dunno. Gonna spit out some thoughts. This is where things were when Miss Piggy claimed. At this point, Mew had 5.

Miss Piggy (3 votes)
Fozzie Bear - #295
Jeff Tracy - #397
Bert - #405

This Piggy claim is still an enigma and I've grown to hate looking at it or around it. 3 already wasn't much pressure so why the claim. Some say it was clear where the wind was blowing, but would it still have been clear without Jeff?

One thing I think is certain? If Ieff is scum, no way Fozzie is too. And vice-versa. That'd be batshit for them to have parked 2 votes on Piggy, and it makes no sense with it driving the claim out of her
 

Mr. Mew

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I wanted Grogu voters. That's on me for not following through. Yeah, it was self preservation, but I was convinced by the end Pinocchio was the right play. I don't have it in me to spend much time here today since I'm the obvious vote. @ me if you have anything
 

Abby Cadabby

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I wasn't confident and then when Jeff moved his vote which put Pinnochio heavily in the lead late there wasn't much point to vote unless you pile of Pinnochio which at that point what was the point.

Besides I can be equally suspicious of you and fozzie. Fozzie who successfully started a late train on town and you who jumped on.
Jeff was looking to you for either guidance, or for a vote he could sheep off of. With you not arguing against the vote Jeff put down, and not placing on yourself, it comes off like you were in agreement too on Pinocchio. I assume that's the case?

@Abby Cadabby what do you think of lamb chop?
I have Lamb Chop whiplash. Was convinced on Triumph and Lamb, then Lamb's posts started reading town to me yesterday. Then I went to being a little frustrated. I need to re-read their posts so I can properly articulate what bugged me because yesterday feels like 5 years ago. One moment....
 

Elmo

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I still can't really see Jeff as scum. To go back to what triumph said he has a few times read a situation to town read someone, it's only a small thing but people looking for town in others always feels townie to me.
 

Elmo

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Jeff was looking to you for either guidance, or for a vote he could sheep off of. With you not arguing against the vote Jeff put down, and not placing on yourself, it comes off like you were in agreement too on Pinocchio. I assume that's the case?


I have Lamb Chop whiplash. Was convinced on Triumph and Lamb, then Lamb's posts started reading town to me yesterday. Then I went to being a little frustrated. I need to re-read their posts so I can properly articulate what bugged me because yesterday feels like 5 years ago. One moment....

Clearly not the case I said I didn't like this late train, that I had come round on voting mew. Jeff moved his vote effectively removing one off mew and adding one to Pinnochio, at that point it felt pointless voting unless I was piling on pinnochio which I didn't really care to do since at that point with minutes left it didn't matter either way.
 

Abby Cadabby

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This the one thing yesterday that I read in a negative light.
I won't lie I don't see Pinocchio as scum
I know I just gave you "they're feeling more townish today" posts but you've been on the hotseat so without something strong and solid outside "I know" this won't move the needle for me. Begging you to give us something, or a better more likely scum target.
Yeah I know, I generally am ok with Pinocchios posts, I've been suspicious of Mr. Mew since day 2 and if I have to choose one of the 2 I go Mr. Mew
We're kind of in the thick of it where we need all our heads and reasonings to try and solve this. Lamb just says okay with Pinocchio's posts with not much there to support why or help us see them as town, then says they've been suspicious of Mew since day 2. Well, great, guess I'll put on my damn shovel and dig through posts. But then I go and read Lamb's posts about Mew and there's really nothing there.

THEN you add in that Lamb Chop didn't respond to my super awesome comment about Shari, the original puppeteer of Lamb Chop and well....Blood is all over Lamb's hands. (Okay, last part is a joke).

So, I'm back to doubting everything and not being sure where I land on Lamb Chop. I won't lie....think I kind of maybe still lean town. Maybe.
 

Elmo

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I think it's ok if the remaining players don't wish to claim, I think we've got something here with Grogu.
Vote: Grogu

There's also likely scum between Abby and Pinocchio, because they share a wagon day 1 with no scum on Piggy and Piggy as the only scum on Howdy.

Do you still feel this way?
 

Lamb Chop

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This the one thing yesterday that I read in a negative light.



We're kind of in the thick of it where we need all our heads and reasonings to try and solve this. Lamb just says okay with Pinocchio's posts with not much there to support why or help us see them as town, then says they've been suspicious of Mew since day 2. Well, great, guess I'll put on my damn shovel and dig through posts. But then I go and read Lamb's posts about Mew and there's really nothing there.

THEN you add in that Lamb Chop didn't respond to my super awesome comment about Shari, the original puppeteer of Lamb Chop and well....Blood is all over Lamb's hands. (Okay, last part is a joke).

So, I'm back to doubting everything and not being sure where I land on Lamb Chop. I won't lie....think I kind of maybe still lean town. Maybe.
Yeah signing up was kind of a mistake since my free time is very limited, I can't do as many rereads or detective work as I had hoped. However I do still believe Mr. Mew has to be scum.
 
Sorry I missed day end yesterday, I had been on a road trip driving all day and that last six hours was my turn at driving.

I want to vote, who led the charge on Pinocchio yesterday?
 

Jeff Tracy

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Ugh, this fucking sucks. Sorry Pinocchio, I feel dumb for talking myself into that instead of sticking on Mew. RIP Kermit, a prince among frogs.
 

Jeff Tracy

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I do think Mew is the right pick today, it's just one of those situations where there's so much smoke around that slot, hard to think that scum was never up on the board otherwise.
 
I do think Mew is the right pick today, it's just one of those situations where there's so much smoke around that slot, hard to think that scum was never up on the board otherwise.
I’m honestly at the point I want to vote Mr. mew and try to bait the scum hammer with a critical “unvote”
 

Jeff Tracy

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I don't know what to make of Jeff and Elmo playing with their food last night. I understand Jeff preferring to not have a tie situation since Elmo was around, but both came off like paranoid scum afraid how to play their EoD with Mew. I felt good about Elmo prior, but this:

The goodwill I had towards Elmo went kablooey.
"Playing with their food" seems like an uncharitable read on the situation considering you yourself were gunning for Pinocchio. I don't see what's wrong with what you highlighted from Elmo there.
 

Jeff Tracy

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Grogu Voters:
Lamb Chop - #1,113
Oscar the Grouch - #1,168
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,174
Jeff Tracy - #1,194
Abby Cadabby - #1,204
Kermit the Frog - #1,243
What is a list of 5 players of the 9 remaining meant to be telling us here?
Do you still feel this way?
Yeah I could still see Abby's vote on a position where scum would be on day 1. Probably my 2nd pick for scum after Mew right now.
At this point, it’s gotta be some kind of super scum team.

vote: Abby Cadabby
Have you even gotten a vote the entire game?
More like Abby Cabaddy, amirite?

I keed, I keed (unless..?)
 

Mr. Mew

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Are you really just throwing in the towel? Who would you vote for? There's nothing quite as untowny as not participating/not voting.
What's the play for me? My reads are the same and I'm not doing your work for you. Talk about me all you want but anything else I add is noise so carry on
 

Abby Cadabby

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I’m honestly at the point I want to vote Mr. mew and try to bait the scum hammer with a critical “unvote”
If the votes come in too quickly and they try to just win then we can critically unvote and have a better chance against some known quantities.
Maybe because I just watched the episode from The Office, but these posts gave me some real strong Russian roulette, gambly vibes---

"I would like to start just by saying I have not worked with Mew for very long, but I can't say that he's no scum. I can't sit here and tell you he's gonna be the right choice. I can't sit here and tell you that he's even the best vote we have today. But I can say this. He's got potential. Sure. Ya know, I always say go big or go home. You go with this guy you could be making the biggest mistake of your life. Or the biggest good decision of your life. It's either gonna be the best thing you ever did. Or the worst thing you ever did. If you want some boring whitebread post watcher whose gonna get scum caught when you ordered by end of day, Mew's not your guy. You ever play Russian roulette? Time to spin the chamber, Oscar."
 

Abby Cadabby

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At this point, it’s gotta be some kind of super scum team.

vote: Abby Cadabby
Have you even gotten a vote the entire game?
And then semi-seriously: if you want to throw someone else in this same category, Triumph. Suspicion cast their way plenty, only two votes ever. Grogu and meself. Weird. Very odd. Hrmmmmm. Anywho, if they're scum, we done goofed by letting them coast this far along. Look through my posts and you'll see me putting myself out there trying to figure this shit out. Triumph has put just enough out there to get by. Even yesterday they mostly just agreed with others.

*Edit: Looks like Mew voted Triumph at one point too after the mass claim stuff since Triumph started that party.
 

Abby Cadabby

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What's the play for me? My reads are the same and I'm not doing your work for you. Talk about me all you want but anything else I add is noise so carry on
Why is it noise? I don't get this. Reads change. Pinocchio and Kermit are dead now. That doesn't change anything for you? If we lose and had scum on Grogu voters it's not like you get to pat yourself on the back with an "I told you so" if you don't try to help us find them.
 

Abby Cadabby

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And then semi-seriously: if you want to throw someone else in this same category, Triumph. Suspicion cast their way plenty, only two votes ever. Grogu and meself. Weird. Very odd. Hrmmmmm. Anywho, if they're scum, we done goofed by letting them coast this far along. Look through my posts and you'll see me putting myself out there trying to figure this shit out. Triumph has put just enough out there to get by. Even yesterday they mostly just agreed with others.

*Edit: Looks like Mew voted Triumph at one point too after the mass claim stuff since Triumph started that party.
Blah. Really started to convince myself that Triumph might be it then looked at yesterday with them and I would not describe it as coasting. They put in some good work hunting. Are scum in a position to coast to victory, or they going to be more quietly pushing and nudging? Either way, I take back my "just enough" comment on Triumph.
 
Blah. Really started to convince myself that Triumph might be it then looked at yesterday with them and I would not describe it as coasting. They put in some good work hunting. Are scum in a position to coast to victory, or they going to be more quietly pushing and nudging? Either way, I take back my "just enough" comment on Triumph.
Aw thanks I was about to pout. Nobody wants a sad doggo around

Oscar has got to be town, but I don't think that's a good vote here.

I think Abby is town, but that does mean that the Oscar train on D1 was pure. Which means scum was definitely either not voting or off wagon
 
Jeff does look clean, and yeah---it comes down to what you said. Is it too clean? I dunno. Gonna spit out some thoughts. This is where things were when Miss Piggy claimed. At this point, Mew had 5.

Miss Piggy (3 votes)
Fozzie Bear - #295
Jeff Tracy - #397
Bert - #405

This Piggy claim is still an enigma and I've grown to hate looking at it or around it. 3 already wasn't much pressure so why the claim. Some say it was clear where the wind was blowing, but would it still have been clear without Jeff?

One thing I think is certain? If Ieff is scum, no way Fozzie is too. And vice-versa. That'd be batshit for them to have parked 2 votes on Piggy, and it makes no sense with it driving the claim out of her

This is so true. Only thing is, it's possible both Jeff and Fozzie are town. I need to re-read that day prior to Piggy's claim to see if other people were ready to put down their votes there.

The other thing is, perhaps miss Piggy claimed because she was a forerunner the previous day, and scum do have a persecution complex
 

Abby Cadabby

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But maybe don't listen to me. It's a busy weekend especially with Father's Day so part of me just wants to wrap this day up. Probably not a great mentality when we're this close to the end lol
 

Abby Cadabby

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This is so true. Only thing is, it's possible both Jeff and Fozzie are town. I need to re-read that day prior to Piggy's claim to see if other people were ready to put down their votes there.

The other thing is, perhaps miss Piggy claimed because she was a forerunner the previous day, and scum do have a persecution complex
I've never really thought about Piggy's claim in relation to D1....That's not a bad thought. Piggy could've been afraid that even with Mew ahead it wasn't getting going to hold, so she and/or the team made a play to try and cement her staying safe. Then I get back to.....does Piggy and Mew feel teamed up? From Piggy's play, they sure as heck don't still. That day really needs a re-read to see if how Mew's wagon felt.
 

Abby Cadabby

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This re-read of D2 isn't going well. My tinfoil hat wants to keep coming out for everything everyone says.

-Fozzie defended Mew pretty early in the day before things heated up.
-Mew very obviously noticed Oscar had some kind of power/investigative role. Why the fuck wasn't Oscar killed that night. Oscar had some suspicions on them, so why wouldn't scum push for a mislunch there. Instead, Mew backed off, left it 100% alone, then Oscar lived that night. Oscar was even going for Mew, and Mew has shown they aren't afraid to go OMGUS on people and vote.
-Still reading

Also Fozzie hasn't checked in yet right
Right
 
I still can't really see Jeff as scum. To go back to what triumph said he has a few times read a situation to town read someone, it's only a small thing but people looking for town in others always feels townie to me.

"Playing with their food" seems like an uncharitable read on the situation considering you yourself were gunning for Pinocchio. I don't see what's wrong with what you highlighted from Elmo there.

Both lightly defending each other. If they're both scum, it makes sense at themselves up for not voting each other in the late phases of the game
 
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