Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Literally saying I’m reconsidering but hey maybe the actual issue is I’m not stubbornly refusing to ever reconsider my reads like you. But hey look like shit when I flip town be my guest
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Literally saying I’m reconsidering but hey maybe the actual issue is I’m not stubbornly refusing to ever reconsider my reads like you. But hey look like shit when I flip town be my guest
Why do we keep doing this? Continuously suggesting to kick the can down the road...
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Game is probably solvable, but I'm too lazy to do it rn so I'll just play some video games while I
Vote: Sorian
Vote: Sorian
I just realized you could have enough xp at day, but need to wait until night to learn and then the day after to use your ability. Sheesh
Agreed.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Mind meld
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
When I look over the content from Nat I feel like there just isn’t enough there to get a tangible alignment read, is there anything you feel particularly strong about?
What info did you get from Ty to make you feel better?
How do you feel about Chuggs rallying on Neon?
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
I honestly thought there was a different reason for no double kill with the poison last night but turms explanation is also plausible
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
My issue is it’s day 4 and despite him saying he doesn’t want to feel like a blind spot he’s a massive blind spot. He’s coasting hard at the moment
Franconp
Frank
You were reconsidering it while shading me with a role that were used only once in all the games of mafia that we played. Come on.
This game is hard. Is there a list or spreadsheet that someone has made that condenses all of the different claims?
Chuggs: Vendor
Muffin: Gossip
Ael: Gossip?
Geno: Something
Zipped: Checker (I forget what this is called)
Turm: Trainee
Chuggs: Vendor
Muffin: Gossip
Ael: Gossip?
Geno: Something
Zipped: Checker (I forget what this is called)
Turm: Trainee
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I still don’t really want to vote Sorian tbh I’m sorry. Like I think he can be scum but I don’t think he is
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
No no no no don’t get it twisted I’m not shading you this is a scum read. Scum backup isn’t exactly some outlandish role either especially not for a game like this
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Why do people keep calling Aels lovers chat and the shopkeeper gossips?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Everything can be a gossip chat if you try hard enough
Don't know anymore. Digesting this 'Trainee' claim, which...I do believe is convenient and I don't understand "I have a weak role, probably voting me out is the least damage to the town rather than forcing so many claims" from Turm.
Franconp
Frank
I claimed a track shot.
What is "a game like this"?
To me it actually makes sense. He didn't have a role. He could get something good or something bad.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
I haven’t said what my role was. Alignment check was my level 2.
@Franconp do watched me for movement and saw just one other person visit me last night? And that was @turmoil7 . Just trying to make sure I understand what was said.
That would make this game had two tanks (and could have potentially had two of any of our roles).
Is there any world where scum roleblocks me versus killing me?
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
you disappoint me
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
it makes sense to me because at the time he was literally a vanilla. If he was scum I would expect him to claim something weak. Doing this means it looks weird the longer he’s alive. The fact that he went with backup makes sense to me with how he’s played. Yes it’s convenient, but it does make sense to me and I buy it
Chuggs: Vendor
Muffin: Gossip
Ael: Gossip?
Geno: Something
Zipped: Check at Lvl 2 (I forget what this is called)
Turm: Trainee
Fran: Track shot (forgot about this)
Muffin: Gossip
Ael: Gossip?
Geno: Something
Zipped: Check at Lvl 2 (I forget what this is called)
Turm: Trainee
Fran: Track shot (forgot about this)
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
Mayor
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
nin I have never tried to push you this game lol. I argued to not kill you even!
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I’ve never tried to push Ty! Nin are you mixing me up with someone else
I wish this meant more to me
Franconp
Frank
I followed Turmoil. I only saw who Turmoil targeted. I didn't watched you.
Chuggs: Vendor
Muffin: Gossip
Ael: Gossip?
Geno: Something
Zipped: Check at Lvl 2 (I forget what this is called)
Turm: Trainee
Fran: Track shot (forgot about this)
Nin: Mayor
Nin, is the actual name of this role "mayor"?
Muffin: Gossip
Ael: Gossip?
Geno: Something
Zipped: Check at Lvl 2 (I forget what this is called)
Turm: Trainee
Fran: Track shot (forgot about this)
Nin: Mayor
Nin, is the actual name of this role "mayor"?
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Do you think there is a world where scum tries to roleblock me vs his trainee role?
because I’m REALLY struggling on that portion. Especially since scum for sure has a redirect ability (or two with a scum nexus), and likely a cheaper than level 3 role block. And I had a level 1 after yesterday and could have had a weaker ability at my tier 1
I’m thinking scum wants to exp farm the first three days. Use all of their expensive abilities around the same day and then mop up town with the cheap abilities that town can’t counter now that all their tier 2 and tier 1s are gone (assuming town is like me and used early and expensive to cheap)
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
No I’m scum reading him because I think he’s scummy
Does scum have 2 trackers in your opinion?
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Do you think you were roleblocked? It’s possible if you weren’t the kill but it would meaning fearing your T1 over T3 powers from people who hit 6xp last night
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Why would you heal me and waste six EXP instead of the bodyguard level? This is what is a sticking point for me. You dying as a trainee tank helps us explain the game, I just can’t see why using your level three makes sense.
I think it is far more likely you are a scum role blocker and wanted to avoid me having another checking role (and obviously would have targeted players with exp for a level 3 skill)
vote: Turmoil7
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I don’t know I’m not on the scum team. What is Fran doing that’s townie beyond the role in your opinion
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Yes, since I didn’t wake up dead, I think it is far more likely that scum would try and role block me while I only had 2 exp and see if it gets me to waste exp (and be that much further from tier 3) than to just kill me todsy
You play like scum ngl, idc about Fran's play scum doesn't have 2 trackers, what are we talking about here Chuggs?
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
It would not surprise me for scum to have two role that have tracking at different skill levels
Franconp
Frank
That's why I said that I wanted to hear from you first.
But his claim makes sense with him claiming a weaker role D1 and then refusing to jump offwagon the last day.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Then why do we have no kill other than Blarg. It makes sense that someone stopped the night kill here
Yeah I looked back on Neon's role and was wondering why Heal would have been the choice myself.
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start
Chuggernaut (3 votes)
Aeleus - #2,420
nin1000 - #2,519
Franconp - #2,597
Sorian (2 votes)
turmoil7 - #2,600
Ty4on - #2,603
turmoil7 (2 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,408
Zippedpinhead - #2,635
Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #2,391
Franconp (1 votes)
Chuggernaut - #2,548
Geno (1 votes)
The Wizard - #2,424
Not voting: Alexem, Muffin, Sorian, melonrabbit, Natiko
Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 47 melonrabbit: 27 Franconp: 26 Geno: 23 TheWorthyEdge: 20 Muffin: 17 Sorian: 15 Alexem: 13 Aeleus: 13 The Wizard: 12 nin1000: 12 Zippedpinhead: 10 Ty4on: 10 turmoil7: 7 Natiko: 1
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
Chuggernaut (3 votes)
Aeleus - #2,420
nin1000 - #2,519
Franconp - #2,597
Sorian (2 votes)
turmoil7 - #2,600
Ty4on - #2,603
turmoil7 (2 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,408
Zippedpinhead - #2,635
Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #2,391
Franconp (1 votes)
Chuggernaut - #2,548
Geno (1 votes)
The Wizard - #2,424
Not voting: Alexem, Muffin, Sorian, melonrabbit, Natiko
Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 47 melonrabbit: 27 Franconp: 26 Geno: 23 TheWorthyEdge: 20 Muffin: 17 Sorian: 15 Alexem: 13 Aeleus: 13 The Wizard: 12 nin1000: 12 Zippedpinhead: 10 Ty4on: 10 turmoil7: 7 Natiko: 1
Current Countdown:
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Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
If blarg was poisoned, is there any world where the NK was redirected to Blarg from somewhere?
maybe Turm did use the heal on me, but I still think the game gets broken potentially with a trainee and potentially having a bunch of heals/checks/fruits and such
maybe Turm did use the heal on me, but I still think the game gets broken potentially with a trainee and potentially having a bunch of heals/checks/fruits and such
Do poisons usually take place immediately? N1 - poisoned N2 - dead? or does it usually take longer?
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
I gave melon chainmail last night so that was my assumption coming into day on what stopped the night kill but now with turms I’m not sure.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Trying to solve off game balance when we can’t see the full game is like, one of the big reasons this community loses town games so much. He’s playing scummy. I currently think he’s scum. Also I already said I was going to think on this a bit? I don’t feel like you’re asking any of this in good faith
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
I agree, neon’s bodyguard role against a proven townie helps town gain knowledge on who was NK’d and who was poisoned.
healing a player just stops the NK without actually gaining knowledge on “was the Nk used” or “Was I effective in my skill usage”
Turm performing a RB on a proven alignment checker feels a lot more like a scum play than doing the level 3 heal ability
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I would agree that Nin is town. I just think there’s a confluence of too many things in favor of him being town to ignore.
That’s interesting. Not sure I fully buy it, but it’s a really bold fake claim to make. I’m tentatively okay letting this play out more.
Can you be bothered to justify your scum read beyond the lazy read you’ve been peddling or are you still coasting hoping to get a free mislynch cause I’m not around much?
Oh no, I’m feeling worse on Sorian now. Why would you make my life more stressful by doing this? It was so much easier just not worrying about you.
Just such a mean and negative thing to say. I forgot how toxic these games are. Here’s ongoing you’re scum, at least I’d understand why you played the game this way. If you’re town I’m legit so disappointed in your play. Do better.
VOTE: Chuggs
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Yes, usually you are given a day and if you are still poisoned at the end of the next night phase you die. So either the Nk was directed at Blarg (implying that poison was not a scum role or any number of misplays), any healing of a status effect failed (and that neon role does not mention anything about status effects), or the NK got blocked/redirected to the only dead player.
Franconp
Frank
I think that usually it works like that.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Literally the only reason I’m even still talking about this is because you keep bringing it up. I’m not sure why you’re so bent out of shape by me not just auto locking Fran as town here
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Nah I’m out
So if malus claimed tracker while alive and fran said "no I'm tracker" and counter claimed, you are telling me we weren't going to flip malus? This isn't balance talk
Are the odds higher that scum didn't kill/killed Blarg for confusion or that someone was roleblocked/saved? And would blarg's death be considered a night kill if it was the poison?
Depends on the game, some poisons say 3 nights later for example, depends
really this is what I'm confused about
If Blarg was killed by the poison, would it be considered a night kill?
I mean there's quite the distance between not autolocking Fran as town and voting him to make him go out today, like is this really your top scum read?
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Great counter argument. You’ve really convinced me your scum read comes from a place of legitimacy. I’ve pushed you for an actual case against me since you brought it up. You’ve refused. You have years of demonstrated excellence at this game. I simply don’t buy that this is a legit read from you.
Franconp
Frank
I don't think that scum don't kill Blarg for confusion. It doesn't makes sense for scum to miss a kill just for that. That's not a good trade. The only possiblity that I think would work is that scum have a condition where they can't make a kill the night after the poison but even then that doesn't seems like a good trade.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Vote: Chuggs
Just get me out of here
Just get me out of here
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
sure dude
Would it be considered a night kill then if Blarg died from the poison?
Reminder that malus had a roleblock ability
Take a break, we've got plenty of time and I liked your point about fran setting up an Aeleus v Muffin debate
Franconp
Frank
No idea. It depends of the gamerunner.
What debate? I just gave my reads. With both your claims Muffin looks worse to me. And, if you are telling the truth, the lovers chat makes no sense for scum to have.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
This game isn't bastard, what else could "you feel unwell" could mean other than poison(delayed kill).
Why would scum waste a NK targeting someone who will die anyways. Blarg wasn't even activated his innocent child power by them. He could had been voted out. NKing Blarg makes zero sense. NKing zipped makes sense. He is soft-confirmed town. There was no one dead last night other than Blarg. That implies the NK failed. Ergo a doctor save. I'm claiming I doctored Zipped, there is no doctor counterclaim. So the most likely hypothesis is that I doctored Zipped unless someone comes forward with a counterclaim (that they won't because I am town).
Some of you need to re evaluate how you are thinking this.
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@Zippedpinhead I thought about a sacrifice play but if I had done that and use the bodyguard shot first there are some issues: if I succeeded I would die before using the doctor shot. Bad for town's odds. The only logical play for me was to be a doctor before being a bodyguard.
Why would scum waste a NK targeting someone who will die anyways. Blarg wasn't even activated his innocent child power by them. He could had been voted out. NKing Blarg makes zero sense. NKing zipped makes sense. He is soft-confirmed town. There was no one dead last night other than Blarg. That implies the NK failed. Ergo a doctor save. I'm claiming I doctored Zipped, there is no doctor counterclaim. So the most likely hypothesis is that I doctored Zipped unless someone comes forward with a counterclaim (that they won't because I am town).
Some of you need to re evaluate how you are thinking this.
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@Zippedpinhead I thought about a sacrifice play but if I had done that and use the bodyguard shot first there are some issues: if I succeeded I would die before using the doctor shot. Bad for town's odds. The only logical play for me was to be a doctor before being a bodyguard.
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
zipped and me
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
It's this part that had me wondering what the timeframe of the kill would be.
Debate is the wrong word, I just disliked the premise that me and muffin can't both be town and that therefore a good play would be to vote off one and if they flip town vote off the other (regardless of whether it was me or muffin flipping first).
If muffin claimed to have a role where it was just a gossip chat but with extra stuff thrown in depending on xp amount then I'd be more suspicious but I quite liked how it changed depending on xp.
This is super lame because...
...of posts like this and what voting for yourself does to the game. (not saying Ty is wrong)
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Malus had a roleblock at tier 3, I’d bet dollars for donuts that a different scum member has roleblock at a lower tier
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I don't see reasons to town read him. Has a bad vote record. I think he has been trying to set up my mislynch for later in the game.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I’ll deal with it post game
Read the reaction as NAI please
I’m not going to apologize for not being a robot
I’m going to cool off and I’ll be back later
That’s the best I can do
Read the reaction as NAI please
I’m not going to apologize for not being a robot
I’m going to cool off and I’ll be back later
That’s the best I can do
Do you have a reads list?
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
Share yours first
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
He’s probably my top scum. Don’t have any reason to town read him atm
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Sorian lean scum
Alexem lean town
Chuggernaut|Chuggs lean town
Natiko null
Ty4on|Ty lean town
Franconp|Fran lean town
TheWorthyEdge null
Geno lean scum
Muffin null
Ael/Sawneeks lean town
melonrabbit|melon lean town
Zippedpinhead|Zipped town
nin1000|nin - null/lean town
The Wizard - null
Sorry for the format, posting from mobile
Gets upset at me for not remembering a mayor claim however long ago (still didn't respond to my question) but won't go back a page to see:
Scum: Chuggs (well...not sure about this one anymore lol), Turm, Melon
Town: Natiko, Geno, The Wizard, Sorian, Aelus, Zipped, Nin
Null: Alexem (T), Muffin (T), Fran (T), Ty (S)
What's the argument for Sorian over Geno today?
I'm sorry everyone, nothing to do with my alignment or the game. I had a very weird morning and everything is good now at least but yeah, I didn't mean to dip out like that for so long. Went to bed last night expecting I'd catch up first thing this morning. I caught up (though I'll be honest, it was a quick skim that I want to re-read) but I have two things I want to address (I guess three technically) which I'll do in my next few posts.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I don't think there is momentum towards voting out Geno but would happily switch over if there were any.
What do you make of Geno and Ael's chat? Forgive me if you've already chimed in on that.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Is that alignment indicative in any way? Geno claimed in the chat and Aeleus believes it for now. That's the big picture of the chat I remember.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
It’s a lovers chat so Ael dies too
No, I read your posts but you were talking about that last day phase I believe and I still really wanted to believe my Chuggs read was right. I've now come around so I presented it as my fresh thoughts.
I didn't quote your answers but just to do a final follow up on my question about your role, when I first read it I thought you spent exp twice, once to make a gossip chat and then another time to upgrade (downgrade?) it to a lover's chat. I realized on a second re-read that it made more sense that you just aren't a gossip and you are a lover-maker instead or whatever you'd call it. That's why I was immediately confused. You've answered my question and I don't see anything weird here anymore.
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In regard to this Fran/Turm thing, I'll admit that Zipped bringing up a potential roleblock made my eyes sparkle a bit because that would be a cool theory but I don't think Turm is scum. By all accounts, there should have been two kills last night and there was not. I don't think Blarg just got that message and it meant nothing because again, if that were the case, someone would have just claimed they did it to him. So unless someone else wants to confirm that they protected Zipped or swapped Zipped with someone else or redirected from him or something then Turm has to be the one who protected. Also, he is right, why sacrifice himself when he has a full doctor shot to use first. This way he gets 2 (1 and a half I guess) protects instead of just the bodyguard shot.
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Bonus because this part was not one of my three things above but all I really have to say to the Alexem lie detector thing is "cool" It just feeds into the world I was already seeing. I feel like there were better posts to lie detect but offhand, I couldn't call them out without going to look and this is decent enough considering Alex set this post up himself with direct questions to Chuggs, so sure, I see it as being genuine.
I believe the lover's chat is over? They aren't permanent lovers, it was just for the night. That's what I'm gathering from reading between the lines of how everything in this game is one-shot/one-off abilities. Geno is absolutely on the table without harming Ael.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
They, what? But I like loverize roles :(
Love lost </3
This is my actual third thing, I don't think it's fair that I didn't answer this in the moment because now there is so much new information but if I had answered at the time, I don't think my answer would have been wildly different. I would have said Muffin or Geno today and Turm as a distant possibility. Now that said, and this is shade at Turmoil tbh, I already said I had cooled on wanting to vote out Turm so I find it funny that he is making his vote for me about himself as if he's a big piece of my radar anymore but whatever.
Obviously with the new posts from today, Turm has dropped down to like 0 for me (I forgot to say in the last post, if you are going to counter claim Turmoil, you absolutely should just come out with it, even if you have more doctor shots or whatever, going 1:1 with a scum fake claim is always worth it).
So, I'm between Muffin and Geno, socially I vote Muffin here but Geno's tunnel has went on longer than I would have expected considering we've SEEN a scum flip now. @nin1000 did you ever confirm the gossip chat with Muffin? Would be a wild thing to lie about but I want to verify.