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Franconp

Frank
For the record, I'm on mobile because the power is out here. Don't know when it will be back so my activity will be sporadic.
 
I went through malus interactions with chuggs and geno and compared them against his interactions with his scum mates in eastenders (feel free to look yourself to check my work).

Both seem possible, in eastenders malus bussed one team mate, town read (and lightly tried to protect) the second and ignored the third. I'd argue chuggs could fit second category and geno could fit third (though less elegantly, we'd have needed to see if malus carried through his intent to look closer at geno the next day).
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Didn't Ael claimed that all their abilities are chats with different modifiers? I'm on mobile and can't check.
I think they said they are all specifically different flavors or lover's chat. I don't really want to dig into making them claim more than they need to but it sounds like they always make lover's chat but now with more of something else.
 
I’m pretty vehemently against a Geno vote. I’d still like Melon today but I would go Muffin as well. I don’t think Geno’s the play personally.
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

Geno (5 votes)
The Wizard - #2,424
Sorian - #2,700
turmoil7 - #2,755
nin1000 - #2,759
Franconp - #2,765

Chuggernaut (2 votes)
Aeleus - #2,420
nin1000 - #2,519 #2,671
Franconp - #2,597 #2,765
Natiko - #2,650 #2,669
Chuggernaut - #2,662

melonrabbit (2 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,750
Alexem - #2,760

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #2,391

Sorian (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #2,600 #2,754
Ty4on - #2,603

turmoil7 (1 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,408 #2,750
Zippedpinhead - #2,635
nin1000 - #2,671 #2,759

Franconp (0 votes)
Chuggernaut - #2,548 #2,662

Not voting: Natiko, Muffin, melonrabbit

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 79 TheWorthyEdge: 60 Franconp: 51 Geno: 43 Sorian: 37 nin1000: 36 melonrabbit: 31 The Wizard: 28 Aeleus: 27 Ty4on: 26 Zippedpinhead: 25 turmoil7: 24 Alexem: 19 Muffin: 18 Natiko: 7

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The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
My head is pretty stuffed up so not sure how much I can add before end off day but I’ll read through the last page or so now
 

The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
Not gonna lie, I am worried chuggs is scum with Sorian with how much they support each other :thisisfine:

Although I don't think it's the most likely case

unvote
I feel heat from Sorian is what provoked Chuggs to claim, I don’t think their pairing is likely.
Seems like I'm the only one that thinks that Chuggs is scum. I don't know why because he hasn't done anything even remotely townie all game.

Whatever,
I could see scum expecting Chuggs to be the flip today and getting frustrated at the collapse
I also think he is scum, we are in unity.
Can we agree on doing it Geno -> chuggs then ?
nin sometimes plays like he’s on a gameshow and the category is “things scum say”
 
Vote: Sorian

Chuggernaut isn't happening and while I'm ultimately fine with Geno going I dislike how stale today has felt, despite the huge amount of claims. Of the other players with votes this is the only one I'm willing to go for at the moment.

I have zero trust in my ability to read Sorian so this is a bit too close to a policy/info vote for my liking but I'm going to do it regardless. Sorian will give us a lot of info to chew on for both Chuggs and Geno and will hurt us more as scum than help us as town.
 

The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
I do think Geno rolling over as the sole viable wagon is weird and giving me some doubts. I think he may do that but not sure what his team would be going for.
Vote: Sorian
 
I blame Ty4on for this vote by the way, I've been sitting here trying to think of something towny about Sorian for the trustfall and its made me super paranoid.
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I don't mind the Geno/Sorian thunderdome but would prefer for them to claim instead of going blind into EoD
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

Geno (4 votes)
The Wizard - #2,424 #2,816
Sorian - #2,700
turmoil7 - #2,755
nin1000 - #2,759
Franconp - #2,765

Sorian (3 votes)
turmoil7 - #2,600 #2,754
Ty4on - #2,603
Aeleus - #2,815
The Wizard - #2,816

melonrabbit (2 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,750
Alexem - #2,760

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #2,391

Chuggernaut (1 votes)
Aeleus - #2,420 #2,815
nin1000 - #2,519 #2,671
Franconp - #2,597 #2,765
Natiko - #2,650 #2,669
Chuggernaut - #2,662

turmoil7 (1 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,408 #2,750
Zippedpinhead - #2,635
nin1000 - #2,671 #2,759

Franconp (0 votes)
Chuggernaut - #2,548 #2,662

Not voting: Natiko, Muffin, melonrabbit

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 81 TheWorthyEdge: 60 Franconp: 52 Geno: 43 Sorian: 37 nin1000: 36 The Wizard: 31 melonrabbit: 31 Aeleus: 29 turmoil7: 27 Ty4on: 26 Zippedpinhead: 25 Alexem: 19 Muffin: 18 Natiko: 7

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The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
Ok. Tell me why Chuggs is town without saying "scum wouldn't do that".
I feel like every town read could be framed as “scum wouldn’t do x” since that’s what we’re trying to figure out, but for me the Neon wagon on day one makes a lot of sense for a town Chuggs who thinks Neon may flip scum compared to a scum Chuggs who knows they will flip town.
I also don’t think he’s just doing one flashy thing and holding onto that, his play feels consistent in a way that becomes difficult to fake
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Ech, if this is the direction of travel, then of the two I'd rather vote for Geno. The Sorian train feels more like a policy vote to me and I'm not on board with those.

VOTE: Geno
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I'm not going to claim anything because I don't think I'm actually in danger here but I would specifically like to not die today because I have actions I will be taking tonight that potentially proves me a little bit. Sadly this game is weird so I don't think this is as much of a slam dunk prove like I thought it was a couple days ago but it'll be something at least.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
That's also an invitation if scum wants to take it, you can't stop my action tonight anyway so have fun.
 
Why are you against Geno. I really don't think it's Melon. She feels super unpaired
Going back through some malus/geno interactions and/or mentions.

All that work, only to land on the most wishy washy Scum reads. I get that you just got burned by pushing Neon out, but that looks pretty weak.
Malus gets a bit upset that you vote for Geno after pushing the Neon vote. This could be considered a tick against Geno. Understandable.
From the people on the Neon vote I don't like nin and I'm not sure about malus either, voted there purely for XP and hasn't really played much. I need to read Captain and Chuggs again to see if I agree with others who scum read them
Geno pushes that Malus is scummy here. Possibly distancing himself, or it's a read. Not knowing what alignment Geno is, I'm taking this as a read.
I haven't been as active as I'd have liked to be so far.
Currently I'm warming up to a Muffin vote, mostly based on the interactions with Chuggs today.
Captain would also be an option for me. My stance hasn't changed all that much since last day phase and I don't feel he has put a lot of effort into actually bringing the game forward.
Also looking into nin at the moment, but I'm really not sure what to make of it. Would probably put off voting there for the moment.
I give Geno one more day of tunneling Ty, before seriously considering that wagon.

So far most of this is still mostly based on vibes, but I intend to look into those players a bit deeper today.
Malus claims to be on board with the Geno vote if Geno keeps on voting for Ty. This could potentially be seen as distancing or kicking the can down the road. Though, he could have easily gotten caught in this. I think that Geno at the time had some growing suspicion on him and Malus claiming to vote for him another day could've gotten him in trouble later on by not being consistent (if he didn't vote for Geno) or voting out a potential scum partner. I'm not sure if this gambit would be worth it for Malus.
I'm back home and ready to play, I see a few interesting things happened today, malus is scum, which makes some sense because he was contradicting himself at some point if I remember correctly. We're obviously voting him today regardless of what he might claim, we all know he wasn't nexus. As for nin's claim, it's far from a clear, there have been like at least 5 times where scum had a double vote.
Geno states the obvious about the red check.

VOTING:

Day 1: Malus on Neon, Geno on Ty
Day 2: Malus on Captain, Geno on Ty
Day 3: Malus dies, Geno no votes (presumably because it got hammered, had vote on Malus but took it off when Chuggs told him too)

I think it's very easy to look at Geno's voting habits and see scum, but it's so obvious. The tunneling on Ty, to me, honestly seems more Town than scum but what the fuck do I know. I also think that he goes harder on some people earlier on which I don't take as a scum read. Here's my initial reads on him:

Geno (49): He’s a firm believer that the Ty slip was in fact a slip and votes there immediately. I liked his little spat with Turm as well about the Ty ordeal. Very aggressive against Ty off rip and I don’t think scum is THAT top heavy. He’s pretty adversarial towards Turm. Continues to push hard that Ty must be flipped, maybe not on Day 1 but soon after. Once again, I believe we need to push for someone linked to Ty or Ty himself. Geno says he’s 100% that Ty flips scum. Calls out Neeks’ lower post count. Claims that Zipped plays with small post counts (meta gaming here, not a huge fan of meta gaming). His response to Zipped when pressed on why his vote’s on Ty is…pretty much the only response possible. I also don’t think that him sticking on Ty is in anyway scummy either. Ty was a perfectly valid vote here and he definitely could’ve been the vote, I don’t see this as throwaway or ‘hiding’. Calls out Muffin alongside Sorian and continues to drill down on Muffin’s vagueness. I like how hard they’re playing. Once again back with the Ty vote. Lean: Town
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
A part of me wants to vote for Muffin because it’s apparent that he only wants to play when he’s in trouble which really isn’t a great sign (and that vote probably helps me survive easier if I’m being honest) but I feel like if he flips town, we are just doing this same conversation again tomorrow.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I don't like chuggs yesterday or today
But I do like chuggs slightly (smidge territory) more than HP.
Idk if I feel like chuggs v sorian or chuggs v sneeks is more fake.
I feel like flipping sneeks gives very little rn now since she is giving us very little rn
and HP is my Aerith stan bro-in-arms
making Chuggs the common denominator among them.

VOTE: Chuggs

Bang. Or whatever.
This vote feels Towny af.
Almost no build up, shooting from the hip with flimsy reasoning. I like it.
Maybe melon is just town
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I haven't been as active as I'd have liked to be so far.
Currently I'm warming up to a Muffin vote, mostly based on the interactions with Chuggs today.
Captain would also be an option for me. My stance hasn't changed all that much since last day phase and I don't feel he has put a lot of effort into actually bringing the game forward.
Also looking into nin at the moment, but I'm really not sure what to make of it. Would probably put off voting there for the moment.
I give Geno one more day of tunneling Ty, before seriously considering that wagon.

So far most of this is still mostly based on vibes, but I intend to look into those players a bit deeper today.
If Muffin and nin are both town, which I think is likely, Geno fits perfectly as the token scum to shade while never bringing him up again.
Geno is at 3 votes while Captain is at 4.
Finished reading up on Cap and there's just not really all that much there. Most of it is mechanics talk without connecting it to any reads. Even his day start post is just him explaining how to use xp and then questions to three players, one of which was nightkilled and one question was again about mechanics. The only thing that vaguely resembles solving was the question to me, but he never followed up on that.
He then puts a vote on HP for role fishing, which he later abandons when nobody takes him up on it and sheeps Muffins read on Geno.

vote: CaptainNuevo
Phrased kind of in a "Muffin is town" way.
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

Geno (4 votes)
The Wizard - #2,424 #2,816
Sorian - #2,700
turmoil7 - #2,755
nin1000 - #2,759 #2,833
Franconp - #2,765
Alexem - #2,823

Sorian (3 votes)
turmoil7 - #2,600 #2,754
Ty4on - #2,603
Aeleus - #2,815
The Wizard - #2,816

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #2,391

Chuggernaut (1 votes)
Aeleus - #2,420 #2,815
nin1000 - #2,519 #2,671
Franconp - #2,597 #2,765
Natiko - #2,650 #2,669
Chuggernaut - #2,662

turmoil7 (1 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,408 #2,750
Zippedpinhead - #2,635
nin1000 - #2,671 #2,759

melonrabbit (1 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,750
Alexem - #2,760 #2,823

Franconp (0 votes)
Chuggernaut - #2,548 #2,662

Not voting: Natiko, Muffin, melonrabbit, nin1000

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 81 TheWorthyEdge: 63 Franconp: 52 Geno: 43 Sorian: 40 nin1000: 40 The Wizard: 32 melonrabbit: 31 Aeleus: 30 Ty4on: 29 turmoil7: 27 Zippedpinhead: 25 Alexem: 21 Muffin: 18 Natiko: 7

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Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
If Muffin and nin are both town, which I think is likely, Geno fits perfectly as the token scum to shade while never bringing him up again.
Geno is at 3 votes while Captain is at 4.

Phrased kind of in a "Muffin is town" way.
This is where I’m at. malus posts point at Geno and Muffin in a few places and it feels like it’s just Geno. These posts are different than the ones I pointed out but it’s all the same thing.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I made Zipped blue since he is almost clear. Not that many flips I guess, but Geno was a wagon on D2 which makes it more interesting.

==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

CaptainNuevo (4 votes)
Sawneeks - #624 #745
malus - #759
Franconp - #765
turmoil7 - #792 #989
Blargonaut - #833
Ty4on - #1,024

Neon (4 votes)
Chuggernaut - #240 #678
Chuggernaut - #911
Fireblend - #914
nin1000 - #946
turmoil7 - #989

Ty4on (4 votes)
HPSauce - #345 #999
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448
CaptainNuevo - #773
Sawneeks - #937

turmoil7 (4 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #36 #773
Fireblend - #384 #914
malus - #416 #759
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Zippedpinhead - #794
Neon - #887

Muffin (1 votes)
Sorian - #660
Chuggernaut - #797 #911

Alexem (1 votes)
Ty4on - #548 #965
Sawneeks - #756 #937
The Wizard - #784
Ty4on - #1,008 #1,024

Zippedpinhead (1 votes)
HPSauce - #999

Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691

Sawneeks (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #671
Chuggernaut - #678 #797

Sorian (0 votes)
The Wizard - #475 #784
Ty4on - #965 #994

Blargonaut (0 votes)
Blargonaut - #587 #833

Chuggernaut (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #169 #792
Sorian - #377 #660
melonrabbit - #626 #671

Fireblend (0 votes)
Natiko - #378 #453

TheWorthyEdge (0 votes)
Neon - #743 #887

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

CaptainNuevo (6 votes)
Sorian - #1,210
The Wizard - #1,358
Ty4on - #1,381 #1,695
Franconp - #1,547
malus - #1,605
melonrabbit - #1,633
Alexem - #1,758

Geno (4 votes)
Blargonaut - #1,186 #1,492
Chuggernaut - #1,221 #1,635
CaptainNuevo - #1,455
Ty4on - #1,695
turmoil7 - #1,724
Chuggernaut - #1,775

Muffin (2 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #1,628
Alexem - #1,632 #1,752
Chuggernaut - #1,635 #1,759
HPSauce - #1,670
turmoil7 - #1,677 #1,723

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,197

Chuggernaut (1 votes)
HPSauce - #1,125 #1,670
Muffin - #1,463
Blargonaut - #1,492 #1,514

nin1000 (1 votes)
Alexem - #1,346 #1,632
turmoil7 - #1,354 #1,677
Natiko - #1,387
Blargonaut - #1,514 #1,610

Alexem (1 votes)
Blargonaut - #1,700

HPSauce (0 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #1,231 #1,455

TheWorthyEdge (0 votes)
melonrabbit - #1,277 #1,633

Not voting: Zippedpinhead, nin1000, Aeleus
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Right. Which to me, makes Malus’ “I’ll vote for Geno” tomorrow all the more risky.
He doesn't say that, he says he will look at him tomorrow. Looks like classic hedging to me, if Geno becomes a wagon tomorrow he can pretend like he has always been suspicious of him and if he doesn't he can look the other way and find some excuse for finding him towny.

I'm adding a lot of facts we don't have, but they point is if they're teammates that looks like a very typical thing to say about your scummate who is getting some heat, but you don't want to bus them right now.
 
I went to look at scooby doo 2 to see how scum geno treated his last moments before being voted off, went on a tangent reading the scum chat and eventually learnt he did a survivor claim, not very useful.
 
As geno doesn't appear to be coming back I'm going to share what he claimed to me:

messenger
2xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent to wrong target)
4xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent normally)
6xp: Send a message

He claimed that he thought his role was bad so didn't vote for XP and used his 4xp power to send a message to me last night.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
what about a Muffin Option ?
He's in my line of sight, I suppose. Sorian did raise a fair point that he's more active when there's attention on him, and we don't know much about his chats yet. I don't think I'd feel any better or worse than I would about a Geno vote at this point. How did he come across in the night chat? If he seemed off to you there, I'd have thought that you'd have initially voted for Muffin over Chuggs.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
From the people on the Neon vote I don't like nin and I'm not sure about malus either, voted there purely for XP and hasn't really played much. I need to read Captain and Chuggs again to see if I agree with others who scum read them
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Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
As geno doesn't appear to be coming back I'm going to share what he claimed to me:

messenger
2xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent to wrong target)
4xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent normally)
6xp: Send a message

He claimed that he thought his role was bad so didn't vote for XP and used his 4xp power to send a message to me last night.
Ok, this is getting ridiculous. I already don’t gel with a full gossip claim where all three tiers are progressively less bad versions of a gossip until we get to 6xp where the gossip just works good (Muffin) and this one is even sillier.

Like I’m going to put Chuggs into this too but why is it that everything flipped is like interesting combinations of different abilities and then all the unknown players are claiming 3 tiers of the same, frankly, weak ability
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
What are we even doing with a messenger and then a fruit vendor. I’m being a bit facetious since Chugg’s claimed fruits at least seem to do something mechanically but these are both just tracker bait roles, why do we need so much tracker bait in a role madness game, everyone has a role, it’s not like these are here to confuse scum,
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Ok, this is getting ridiculous. I already don’t gel with a full gossip claim where all three tiers are progressively less bad versions of a gossip until we get to 6xp where the gossip just works good (Muffin) and this one is even sillier.

Like I’m going to put Chuggs into this too but why is it that everything flipped is like interesting combinations of different abilities and then all the unknown players are claiming 3 tiers of the same, frankly, weak ability
It kinda looks like my role...

Just with a worse ability ofc
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Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
As geno doesn't appear to be coming back I'm going to share what he claimed to me:

messenger
2xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent to wrong target)
4xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent normally)
6xp: Send a message

He claimed that he thought his role was bad so didn't vote for XP and used his 4xp power to send a message to me last night.
You're right, that doesn't really do much for or against him. If it's true, I can imagine why he might not be all that interested in it - unless he's lucky enough to find out something amazing through a night chat (such as a result that the chat creator wants to keep on the down low), it's not much different to being vanilla.

I could see the possibility of scum!Geno having a messenger shot as part of his arsenal as a means for spreading misinformation alongside a couple of more proactive shots, but would he want to use it offhand in a night chat? If he thought that he might be able to sell you a fake claim, then it's possible.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I'm back home and ready to play, I see a few interesting things happened today, malus is scum, which makes some sense because he was contradicting himself at some point if I remember correctly. We're obviously voting him today regardless of what he might claim, we all know he wasn't nexus. As for nin's claim, it's far from a clear, there have been like at least 5 times where scum had a double vote.
Do you remember what this was about?
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
A part of me wants to vote for Muffin because it’s apparent that he only wants to play when he’s in trouble which really isn’t a great sign (and that vote probably helps me survive easier if I’m being honest) but I feel like if he flips town, we are just doing this same conversation again tomorrow.

I'd vote Muffin today.

I'd go Geno over Sorian if that's the options today.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Yes, you are involved in that too. There’s no way you are all lying so it’s whatever, I just find this weird and a little annoying now that all the info I see points to JOATs everywhere and none of you are that.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Yes, you are involved in that too. There’s no way you are all lying so it’s whatever, I just find this weird and a little annoying now that all the info I see points to JOATs everywhere and none of you are that.
This was to Ty, didn’t realize so many people would post at once
 
As geno doesn't appear to be coming back I'm going to share what he claimed to me:

messenger
2xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent to wrong target)
4xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent normally)
6xp: Send a message

He claimed that he thought his role was bad so didn't vote for XP and used his 4xp power to send a message to me last night.
What the hell is going on…so many chats, messages…my brain is imploding.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I don't really understand the question. Not the way I play I guess?

I don't really like any of the options today. I would prefer Ael.
I’m not sure in what world you think Ael could be scum unless you think they are lying about the lovers thing and they are really just a reg gossip. Scum is not out here making themselves lovers with others as their ability. I’m not even convinced scum abilities are being wasted on shit that doesn’t help them like messengers or gossips or whatever.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Who is mafia?
:pikathink:
At the beginning of the phase I was thinking:

Scum: Chuggs, Turm
Lean Scum: 1-2 of Geno, Muffin, Alexem
If there’s a really hidden wolf: 1 of Sorian, TWE, or Wizard

Now idk. The role stuff feels like complete noise with how much overlap there is, and skimming this phase felt like mostly mechanics and game design talk which is often a trap anyways. It’s not like we’re known for every game being standard and straight forward.

As for day end - at this point I’ll probably just not even vote. Sorian is in my pile of uncertainty but I don’t remotely think I have a strong enough suspicion to vote there today. The Geno wagon is filled with and supported by primarily all the people in this game I trust the least as well which makes it feel like a bad choice as well.
 
At the beginning of the phase I was thinking:

Scum: Chuggs, Turm
Lean Scum: 1-2 of Geno, Muffin, Alexem
If there’s a really hidden wolf: 1 of Sorian, TWE, or Wizard

Now idk. The role stuff feels like complete noise with how much overlap there is, and skimming this phase felt like mostly mechanics and game design talk which is often a trap anyways. It’s not like we’re known for every game being standard and straight forward.

As for day end - at this point I’ll probably just not even vote. Sorian is in my pile of uncertainty but I don’t remotely think I have a strong enough suspicion to vote there today. The Geno wagon is filled with and supported by primarily all the people in this game I trust the least as well which makes it feel like a bad choice as well.
Why wouldn’t you vote?
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
At the beginning of the phase I was thinking:

Scum: Chuggs, Turm
Lean Scum: 1-2 of Geno, Muffin, Alexem
If there’s a really hidden wolf: 1 of Sorian, TWE, or Wizard

Now idk. The role stuff feels like complete noise with how much overlap there is, and skimming this phase felt like mostly mechanics and game design talk which is often a trap anyways. It’s not like we’re known for every game being standard and straight forward.

As for day end - at this point I’ll probably just not even vote. Sorian is in my pile of uncertainty but I don’t remotely think I have a strong enough suspicion to vote there today. The Geno wagon is filled with and supported by primarily all the people in this game I trust the least as well which makes it feel like a bad choice as well.
Even if it’s for me, I need you to vote because I need more of an opinion than this. We are exceedingly coming up to a point where I am going to have to make a real read of you and this non-committal level of posting is not helping
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

Geno (5 votes)
The Wizard - #2,424 #2,816
Sorian - #2,700
turmoil7 - #2,755
nin1000 - #2,759 #2,833
Franconp - #2,765
Alexem - #2,823
nin1000 - #2,862

Sorian (3 votes)
turmoil7 - #2,600 #2,754
Ty4on - #2,603
Aeleus - #2,815
The Wizard - #2,816

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #2,391

Chuggernaut (1 votes)
Aeleus - #2,420 #2,815
nin1000 - #2,519 #2,671
Franconp - #2,597 #2,765
Natiko - #2,650 #2,669
Chuggernaut - #2,662

turmoil7 (1 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,408 #2,750
Zippedpinhead - #2,635
nin1000 - #2,671 #2,759

melonrabbit (1 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,750
Alexem - #2,760 #2,823

Franconp (0 votes)
Chuggernaut - #2,548 #2,662

Not voting: Natiko, Muffin, melonrabbit

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 81 TheWorthyEdge: 69 Franconp: 52 Sorian: 47 Geno: 43 nin1000: 41 Ty4on: 39 melonrabbit: 35 The Wizard: 32 Aeleus: 32 turmoil7: 27 Zippedpinhead: 25 Alexem: 23 Muffin: 18 Natiko: 9

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Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Why wouldn’t you vote?
Because I don’t like either option for the reasons I outlined before. I suppose I can at least place one off wagon for clarity on where I am.

VOTE: Turm

Even if it’s for me, I need you to vote because I need more of an opinion than this. We are exceedingly coming up to a point where I am going to have to make a real read of you and this non-committal level of posting is not helping
I’m not particularly pressed. I share the opinions I have. I don’t trust Geno, but I trust his wagon less. Also don’t trust the general malaise right now with him in the vote lead. Doesn’t mean that I suddenly love the alternative of voting out a louder, productive voice just because you’re in my POE currently when it’s mostly just based off of not wanting to assume there isn’t a deep wolf.

Why do you scum read Alex?
Well to be fair this was what I entered the day with. I’ve had Alexem in my lean scum pile since day one just based off of some of their reactions to posts. I’m sure I could go dig up my couple of posts on it if you’d like. The lie detector claim doesn’t do a lot for me because it’s super easy to fake unless I’m missing something.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Because I don’t like either option for the reasons I outlined before. I suppose I can at least place one off wagon for clarity on where I am.

VOTE: Turm


I’m not particularly pressed. I share the opinions I have. I don’t trust Geno, but I trust his wagon less. Also don’t trust the general malaise right now with him in the vote lead. Doesn’t mean that I suddenly love the alternative of voting out a louder, productive voice just because you’re in my POE currently when it’s mostly just based off of not wanting to assume there isn’t a deep wolf.


Well to be fair this was what I entered the day with. I’ve had Alexem in my lean scum pile since day one just based off of some of their reactions to posts. I’m sure I could go dig up my couple of posts on it if you’d like. The lie detector claim doesn’t do a lot for me because it’s super easy to fake unless I’m missing something.
Do you think Blarg was truly the NK last night or do you think something else stopped the kill?
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
God I wish I could understand Geno as a player more I have no idea what the fuck he’s doing here. Like I kind of don’t hate the claim, but also I don’t understand why he full claimed to Ael, refused to claim here, but HAD to know Ael was going to say something. And I can’t decide if Geno just doing some weird shit or if this is performative. The drawbacks for his ability honestly don’t seem that bad and I’m not sure why he would have landed on useless because messenger has a pretty clear purpose imo.

I think I still land on wanting this flip but I really wish I was more sure of it. The role explains why he didn’t really scum read me much either but also I don’t think he commented on my claim at all which really sticks out to me
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
I’m not sure in what world you think Ael could be scum unless you think they are lying about the lovers thing and they are really just a reg gossip. Scum is not out here making themselves lovers with others as their ability. I’m not even convinced scum abilities are being wasted on shit that doesn’t help them like messengers or gossips or whatever.

Yes. I believe they are lying.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Do you think Blarg was truly the NK last night or do you think something else stopped the kill?
Hmm, not sure honestly. I don’t know that the answer does anything to my thoughts today either way? I’m still missing what we think we are puzzling out with this and what conclusion that is going to lead us to. It would be easy enough to fake, I mean the message Blarg got didn’t sound explicit. Does anyone remember if he said it had any red text or anything like that? We’ve seen lots of ability overlap, so it’s possible he just got a fake message and then was properly NKed. I’m just not sure what you think that conclusion is going to lead to as far as actionable info.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Geno I can sorta believe his claim.

Either Muffin or Ael is lying on their gossip-ness. Of the real options available today Muffin is the viable option. But in an ideal world I'd go Ael/sneeks.
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

Geno (5 votes)
The Wizard - #2,424 #2,816
Sorian - #2,700
turmoil7 - #2,755
nin1000 - #2,759 #2,833
Franconp - #2,765
Alexem - #2,823
nin1000 - #2,862

Sorian (3 votes)
turmoil7 - #2,600 #2,754
Ty4on - #2,603
Aeleus - #2,815
The Wizard - #2,816

turmoil7 (2 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,408 #2,750
Zippedpinhead - #2,635
nin1000 - #2,671 #2,759
Natiko - #2,874

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #2,391

Chuggernaut (1 votes)
Aeleus - #2,420 #2,815
nin1000 - #2,519 #2,671
Franconp - #2,597 #2,765
Natiko - #2,650 #2,669
Chuggernaut - #2,662

melonrabbit (1 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,750
Alexem - #2,760 #2,823

Franconp (0 votes)
Chuggernaut - #2,548 #2,662

Not voting: Muffin, melonrabbit

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 83 TheWorthyEdge: 72 Franconp: 52 Sorian: 48 Geno: 43 nin1000: 41 Ty4on: 40 melonrabbit: 37 The Wizard: 32 Aeleus: 32 turmoil7: 27 Zippedpinhead: 25 Alexem: 23 Muffin: 18 Natiko: 11

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The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
If scum have a messenger was the poison just faked to make us think that a night kill was prevented last night and draw out protective claims?
 

The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
so as of last Night I'm feeling "Unwell"

as in Officially / red-txt / Hedin notified me just before Day-start

it doesn't say it word-4-word but I think I'm Poisoned
Okay Blarg mentions it was red here, I don’t think Hedin would allow for fake red text in a non bastard game
 

Franconp

Frank
I know that Blarg was night killed. But I’m not sure if that means he died by poison or if he was targeted.

If Blarg didn't die of poison that seems like a gambit to hide the night kill and maybe fake claim a protection.

If the poison was fake Geno, the messenger, looks really bad.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I’m not sure what you all are on about, a poison kill would absolutely happen overnight. Now if the message was fake or it wasn’t really poison is up for debate but the player would almost always look like a night kill if they are poisoned.
 
I’m not sure what you all are on about, a poison kill would absolutely happen overnight. Now if the message was fake or it wasn’t really poison is up for debate but the player would almost always look like a night kill if they are poisoned.
Then…yeah. That’s all I got lol
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
One of these chat claims has to be lying and Genos looks way too weak, I'm not buying it.

Vote: Geno
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I don’t have the bandwidth to figure out what TWE is hinting at right now, I just got home
 
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