melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
So TWE wrote the blarg newsletter?
Alright, pre-typed report time. As I didn’t identify the shopkeeper yesterday, the shopkeeper came to me last night. I won’t name him (Fran’s already spilled the beans on his pronouns, not that it narrows things down much), but I can confirm that he’s not using a costume account. He also asked not to be identified, which I’ll respect.
We exchanged a little mechanical talk, since I think we both know each other’s reads. The shopkeeper confirmed that he is a neutral player and his win condition is to accrue enough experience from sales – he doesn’t earn daily or voting experience. Four items were offered as before, although I’ll add that they didn’t appear immediately, the shopkeeper gave the list in his second post. As Fran reported, the shopkeeper claimed that he neither chooses the items on sale, nor knows what they do. My options were:
After Ty and Fran’s experiences, I was dubious about whether or not these would do anything. The chest sounded to me like it could have been a mimic, the roll of toilet paper could have had something written on it or just been some toilet paper, the map might have just said ‘you are here’ and the energy can could have been toxic. I thought I’d take a risk, but not at a high price considering what happened previously, so I offered 2 XP for the can of energy. Following some brief negotiating, the shopkeeper accepted my offer and the thread closed.
- A treasure chest
- A roll of toilet paper
- A map of Aeredale
- A can of energy
I can confirm that unlike Ty and Fran’s items, my can of energy actually does something. If I use it as an item in place of an action command from N5 onwards, night posting will be allowed in the game thread for all players on the following night. There’ll be a restriction on how many posts will be allowed per player, but the PM that I received from Hedin didn’t confirm what the limit will be.
The shopkeeper also made it clear that if he’s kept in play until endgame, he’s prepared to position himself as kingmaker. Knowing who he is, I fully believe that.
I'm looking at this list and landing on Muffin and Melon as scum and there's no way that's right
Which list?
I gave melon chainmail last night so that was my assumption coming into day on what stopped the night kill but now with turms I’m not sure.
Seems like everyone skipped over the post where I gave what I assume is a vest to melon.
FYI I have different items to hand out and this was the only one that seemed protective.
Also I sought clarification around the time of Chuggs claim and I believe the recipient isn’t notified but I’m not 100% sure, @melonrabbit can confirm.
Off the dome probably something like this:
town:
Zipped
melon
Ty
Chuggs
Ael
nin
TWE
Muffin
PoE:
Natiko
Fran
Alexem
Sorian
Geno
I would be happy to move the shopkeeper out of the PoE based on the way malus reacted at day start. I think Sorian is a good place to look and I'll probably move my vote there if things stay stagnant
YesOkay I'm sorry, but I'm going to blow his spot if I'm correct because I don't want to waste my time making a case if this is the world we're living in and if I can figure this out, I know scum can.
Is the shopkeeper Natiko
Why did I shot Wiz:
I was null on Wiz yesterday and I tried rereading him.
I was surprised how little Wiz did during the first 3 days. He was barely around, just posting enough that he had a presence but without doing much. There were almost none interactions between Malus and Wiz.
The claims was really weird to me:
There was no need for Wiz to claim. The info was not important enough for him to claim. But then he seemed bothered that people didn't care about the claim. That felt like scum who posted a fake claim and people didn't care. If you are town and people don't care about your role why would it bother you? And when he explained the role it made no sense to me. If you are a item giver why wouldn't your target recieve notification about getting an item? How would they use the item if they don't know what they got? I even went to Mafia Universe list of roles to check and every item giver role said that the player who receive the item is notified.
But what really make me doubt Wiz was this post:
The last line feels like TMI. If Wiz doesn't know who the shopkeeper is, how did he know that he was part of the PoE? To me it seemed that he knew who the shopkeeper was and made a slip. And now I feel bad about Ty and Nin because they know who the shopkeeper is.
I guess they just assumed and figured it out that way.I kind of assumed shopkeeper is Nat as well just based on who has claimed what
And Fran is pretty much confirmed while I am far too cool to be scumAgain it might have slipped through with the excitement of Wizard's death but someone claimed to me last night to have targeted nin with a weak action (basically a green check)
So melon didn't get any notification? Just making sure she didn't get anything from another scum since iirc none of wiz' actions were giving items out.There was no need for Wiz to claim. The info was not important enough for him to claim. But then he seemed bothered that people didn't care about the claim. That felt like scum who posted a fake claim and people didn't care. If you are town and people don't care about your role why would it bother you? And when he explained the role it made no sense to me. If you are a item giver why wouldn't your target recieve notification about getting an item? How would they use the item if they don't know what they got? I even went to Mafia Universe list of roles to check and every item giver role said that the player who receive the item is notified.
FUCKING YES!!!!!
I was soo stressed last night and now I can't stop smiling.
Yes, I shot Wizard last night.
Is this whatOn the one hand, now I feel like my day is thrown off because I was prepared to come in here and point out that all Wiz has been doing is coming in, pouring gasoline on the fire by riling people up about me and leaving immediately so I was going to start trying to get his vote going but on the other hand, dead scum is always good and now I can go re-read him knowing for sure.
Good job Fran
Im a little salty that both of my theories about TWE were wrong though, what a weird fucking role.
Am I supposed to gather that this is another gossip? Not your ability?Woohoo!
I was in a gossip chat last night with someone who claimed JOAT, they also claimed to have used a weak power on nin n2.
(For those who forget weak modifier means if it targets non town the player using the action dies).
So nin is very likely town.
But Wiz had claimed the chainmail on melon yesterday?And as far as Natiko goes, cool, I already had it narrowed down to Natiko more likely and Wiz less likely as the shopkeeper so not really a revelation. Let him win.
Looking at this POE and wondering if Alexem is a scum mate here.PoE:
Natiko
Fran
Alexem
Sorian
Geno
I don't love this answer, it seems really wishy-washy and I don't come away with a clear sense of what you actually think of the players mentioned.
What Nat has is sleight but I feel like he is bringing his own insights/takes and I'm nodding when I read the little he does put down right now, wouldn't go there.
I think Alexem's vote has the least conviction of what I've seen so far and his reads don't make me feel better. I think that's a solid pick for today.
Vote: Alexem
It’s interesting to Alexem fell out of contention cause I feel like that’s a wagon where the sentiment showed more interest than translated into votes. I could put some names and quotes here if I wasn’t lazy on mobile but you get the gist
I like Alex a bit more today too, that vote list looks more solid. The thing giving me pause is the wagon collapse, especially if Ty and AelSneeks are town, seemed like a good spot to park a vote.
- Ty (town lean)
- Geno and Alexem on here, would flip Alex before Geno as I think it's weird that there was resistance to the vote there yesterday. I've seen scum Geno do the stubborn tunnel thing so I think he could be scum here too.
- I'm shocked Captain's role was real. I feel like the gamerunners are just cruel to have someone earnestly state they laid an egg in self-defense.
See this feels neutral or scum-coded that they have this ability which doesn't work like any of the rest of us, but having their identity revealed is odd in that case.
This observation about Neon is interesting, I'm not sure I would join those dots so quickly upon learning poison is a thing in this game, what made you go back and check their role?
Ppl claimed a lot of things yesterday but idk why I'd be a candidate for a night kill from scum at that point in the game.But Wiz had claimed the chainmail on melon yesterday?
And? Melon didn’t confirm anything and no one in the room seemed to care about this claim so o figured it was bullshit and you, Fran, and nin were just letting him say whatever since you knew it didn’t matterBut Wiz had claimed the chainmail on melon yesterday?
Not my power. When all the chats are made public history will also know I found Wizard suspicious FWIW.I can come back in a bit but I caught up real quick and just wanted to ask these two things:
Am I supposed to gather that this is another gossip? Not your ability?
I’ve described myself essentially as a gacha machine to my invitees so far.
No chats for melon :(The night chat count just getting larger
Oh wait, lmao, I get it, I know what TWE’s 6 exp skill is
For the record, I do not think that flier thing was TWE or a PR, my idea is something different but this isn’t important
Does Sorian shots TWE last night after posting this:
I think that Sorian had the same idea that I had when TWE was talking about his role: that one of his abilities was a revive. That's why he received a list of who died before the day started.
Does it makes sense for Sorian to shot him the next night? I'm leaning no. They would at least wait a bit.
Hmm. I think TWE doesn't make sense for scum Sorian because TWE town read Sorian, but if he thought TWE was a reviver then I think it makes sense to shoot him quickly since you want all town docs dead.Does Sorian shots TWE last night after posting this:
I think that Sorian had the same idea that I had when TWE was talking about his role: that one of his abilities was a revive. That's why he received a list of who died before the day started.
Does it makes sense for Sorian to shot him the next night? I'm leaning no. They would at least wait a bit.
I’m bowing to you too! That’s incredible!FUCKING YES!!!!!
I was soo stressed last night and now I can't stop smiling.
Yes, I shot Wizard last night.
Do you mean for the purposes of tracking? I submit the command during the day and we then have a night chat to bargain in. I would have to ask Hedin for any clarity on what that looks like from a movement perspective.So they visit you and not the other way around?
I am always happy to strike a deal! Depending on how much XP you’ll have I might get be able to swing an exit on the quicker end should there not be many objections. If anyone does have any doubts on my alignment, I’ll be able to prove it out sooner that way.Was going to claim this regardless (and have already done so to my gossip partner) but with natiko out I think it's more relevant.
My 6xp power is trash, it strengthens the person who I make a chat which is very obviously counter productive: it's best used on a player I town read who is using a powerful ability, I would rather said player not die due to lover shenanigans.
I've already learnt my tier 1 and tier 2 abilities so I don't mind donating any I get from now on to get neutral nat out of here when the time is right.
I mean yes, obviously, I thought that was clearly what was going on here, I’m even more confused at what his role was meant for now.Does Sorian shots TWE last night after posting this:
I think that Sorian had the same idea that I had when TWE was talking about his role: that one of his abilities was a revive. That's why he received a list of who died before the day started.
Does it makes sense for Sorian to shot him the next night? I'm leaning no. They would at least wait a bit.
Idk what I mean anymore. i guess i had envisioned the shop as a location both parties visited. If u can get clarification that'd be tight.Do you mean for the purposes of tracking? I submit the command during the day and we then have a night chat to bargain in. I would have to ask Hedin for any clarity on what that looks like from a movement perspective.
Sorian literally just said it was himMelon do you have the other night chat
for the record I would've if I could'vewhy you would pick Ael
This is 3 more scum right? From the hip without reading back (I'm not doing that until tomorrow morning) I'm going to shoot my shot on melon, Alex, and Muffin. I had a very stupid idea for a scum role that would explain Muffin's gossips and then Ael had an infinitely better idea (that I don't think they believe but I'm looking for scum here and Muffin is still a contender for me). But based on how shaky Wizard's claim was, I don't think scum had good claims to fall back on which is why I want to know what melon is trying to come up with here.
Unless Natiko is going to somehow kill people on his way out of the game, this has to be 5 and a neutral. A 4 scum team with no extra outside help with NKs would be way too small.do we think 5 and a neutral or 4 and a neutral?
I don't hate that team but honestly I don't think Muffin and Melon have that in them acting wise and I kind of don't buy them being teamed. I'm kind of leaning toward Alex here although I don't love that either
Unless Natiko is going to somehow kill people on his way out of the game, this has to be 5 and a neutral. A 4 scum team with no extra outside help with NKs would be way too small.
Also why are ur secrets more important than mine.Ael knows my tier 3, I will not be claiming it now or probably ever if I'm being honest.
Who is faking what argument?Okay so do you think they're capable of faking that argument?
Who is faking what argument?
Also why are ur secrets more important than mine.
This is extortion >:(
If I was i would hope I'd do a better jobHere's the thing, you're currently the only person in the game that doesn't have something out there about their role in some way or another so yeah, right now it's kind of looking like you're trying to come up with something
It's possible but unlikely is kind of where I'm at. There's no way there isn't at least one between them, nothing else makes sense with how these roles are interacting.Okay so do you think they're capable of faking that argument?
My tier 3 isn't worth much and I'd rather play the Natiko slot machine if I'm being honest at this point.Also why are ur secrets more important than mine.
This is extortion >:(
It's possible but unlikely is kind of where I'm at. There's no way there isn't at least one between them, nothing else makes sense with how these roles are interacting.
I am gonna attempt to be social this evening so won't be around to annoy yall
But I will ask this: does there have to be a neutral in this game?
It is if ur a true believer in SlipGate.It's either that or Nat is scum and that doesn't exactly sound like a scum role
Okay.Imma pressure this too.
Vote: Melon
I was more side reading because we were about to watch that new Knives Out movie which I highly recommend
I actually had Fran selected for chat for most of the day phase
I'm going to shoot my shot on melon, Alex, and Muffin
Yeah, choosing you would have definitely been more fun but it worked out better, who knows where we would have landed.I just watched the movie and it was fun.
:( I really needed someone last night to bounce ideas as I was really worried about killing town.
Do you think that Wiz claims giving an item to his partner Melon? If so why would he claim that the receiver don't get notified? Melon could have claimed that they got a chainmail and it all be good. Thinking while writting, maybe he realiced after the claim that it would be hard to justify his role when noone else got an item??? Still, it's weird that scum would link themselves like that.
I can’t help but be curious what you’re thinking, especially since I don’t have anything on my end that feels unclear or like a mysterious thread to be tugged at. I imagine I’ll be able to swing by both on my way to getting enough XP.I mean yes, obviously, I thought that was clearly what was going on here, I’m even more confused at what his role was meant for now.
@Natiko You can add me to the list too, I have a theory about you that I want to talk to you privately about but I’m also willing to flash a good chunk of exp at you.
I’ve asked a couple questions around how my role interacts with tracking roles, TBD if I’ll get clarification.Idk what I mean anymore. i guess i had envisioned the shop as a location both parties visited. If u can get clarification that'd be tight.
It did not, though I was informed that the fruit was intended to raise the cost of abilities so that part was accurate. It just ended up not being relevant when applied to my role.Re-read the day start and everything but I had already commented on everything worth commenting on. I was more side reading because we were about to watch that new Knives Out movie which I highly recommend, anyway I'm going to do the following because I feel like I need a reset before I go back and read Wizard:
Natiko Tier
[He/Him] Natiko - UTC-5 - What're ya buyin'?
Confirmed Town
[He/Him] Franconp|Fran - UTC-3 - Uncontested night vig shot on scum
[He/Him] Zippedpinhead|Zipped - UTC-6 - Red check on scum, correct, technically the "weakest" confirm if team wanted to bus but I doubt it
[He/Him] nin1000|nin - UTC+1 - Green check from a weak modifier role
Claim w/ someone backing the claim
[He/They] Chuggernaut|Chuggs - UTC+6 - Sent bad fruit to Natiko*****
[He/Him] Muffin - UTC+1 - Was able to gossip with Nin
[She/Her] Sawneeks|Sneeks - UTC-8 (Aeleus) - Was able to lover's chat with Geno
Claim out but w/ no verification
[He/Him] Alexem - UTC+0 - Lie detector, probably true info? But could just be guessed
[He/Him] Ty4on|Ty - UTC+1 - Various levels of commuter++++++
[He/Him] turmoil7|turm - UTC-3 - Back-up for first town death, I think it's fairer to put him here but without a counter claim, I believe he's actually in the tier above since I think the Blarg night was two deaths. In theory that could even bump him to confirmed but let's not get crazy, that all hinges on my theory that a kill was stopped.
What are we doing?
[They] melonrabbit|melon - UTC-8 - Vague mentions that people have claimed their abilities which points to another JOAT I guess.
*****As I was writing this, am I remembering right that you said this fruit made abilities cost more? Did this mess up your win con Natiko?
++++++Ty, you didn't try to commute the night Blarg died, did you?
truly can't imagine what role Melon has that is apparently not all that good, but they also want to play coy about for some reason
but also i'm impatient
Ty for askingI’ve asked a couple questions around how my role interacts with tracking roles, TBD if I’ll get clarification.
I think confirmed town would be a good pick so they can confirm it's realNo seriously who do I invite to the chat I have no clue
Or should I keep that to me
What makes you say that?Ael has used their lovers chat twice, right?