RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

[melonrabbit]

So TWE wrote the blarg newsletter?

 

[Chuggernaut]

I'm looking at this list and landing on Muffin and Melon as scum and there's no way that's right

 

[melonrabbit]

Alright, pre-typed report time. As I didn’t identify the shopkeeper yesterday, the shopkeeper came to me last night. I won’t name him (Fran’s already spilled the beans on his pronouns, not that it narrows things down much), but I can confirm that he’s not using a costume account. He also asked not to be identified, which I’ll respect.

We exchanged a little mechanical talk, since I think we both know each other’s reads. The shopkeeper confirmed that he is a neutral player and his win condition is to accrue enough experience from sales – he doesn’t earn daily or voting experience. Four items were offered as before, although I’ll add that they didn’t appear immediately, the shopkeeper gave the list in his second post. As Fran reported, the shopkeeper claimed that he neither chooses the items on sale, nor knows what they do. My options were:

• A treasure chest
• A roll of toilet paper
• A map of Aeredale
• A can of energy

After Ty and Fran’s experiences, I was dubious about whether or not these would do anything. The chest sounded to me like it could have been a mimic, the roll of toilet paper could have had something written on it or just been some toilet paper, the map might have just said ‘you are here’ and the energy can could have been toxic. I thought I’d take a risk, but not at a high price considering what happened previously, so I offered 2 XP for the can of energy. Following some brief negotiating, the shopkeeper accepted my offer and the thread closed.

I can confirm that unlike Ty and Fran’s items, my can of energy actually does something. If I use it as an item in place of an action command from N5 onwards, night posting will be allowed in the game thread for all players on the following night. There’ll be a restriction on how many posts will be allowed per player, but the PM that I received from Hedin didn’t confirm what the limit will be.

The shopkeeper also made it clear that if he’s kept in play until endgame, he’s prepared to position himself as kingmaker. Knowing who he is, I fully believe that.

Interesting.

 

[melonrabbit]

I'm looking at this list and landing on Muffin and Melon as scum and there's no way that's right

Which list?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Which list?

the list of players

 

[turmoil7]

I felt like an idiot when I read Geno's flip, sorry for sucking so much at this

---

Good shot Fran! Just what I needed to lift my spirits

 

[Franconp]

Why did I shot Wiz:

I was null on Wiz yesterday and I tried rereading him.

I was surprised how little Wiz did during the first 3 days. He was barely around, just posting enough that he had a presence but without doing much. There were almost none interactions between Malus and Wiz.

The claims was really weird to me:

I gave melon chainmail last night so that was my assumption coming into day on what stopped the night kill but now with turms I’m not sure.

Seems like everyone skipped over the post where I gave what I assume is a vest to melon.

FYI I have different items to hand out and this was the only one that seemed protective.

Also I sought clarification around the time of Chuggs claim and I believe the recipient isn’t notified but I’m not 100% sure, @melonrabbit can confirm.

There was no need for Wiz to claim. The info was not important enough for him to claim. But then he seemed bothered that people didn't care about the claim. That felt like scum who posted a fake claim and people didn't care. If you are town and people don't care about your role why would it bother you? And when he explained the role it made no sense to me. If you are a item giver why wouldn't your target recieve notification about getting an item? How would they use the item if they don't know what they got? I even went to Mafia Universe list of roles to check and every item giver role said that the player who receive the item is notified.

But what really make me doubt Wiz was this post:

Off the dome probably something like this:

town:
Zipped
melon
Ty
Chuggs
Ael
nin
TWE
Muffin

PoE:
Natiko
Fran
Alexem
Sorian
Geno

I would be happy to move the shopkeeper out of the PoE based on the way malus reacted at day start. I think Sorian is a good place to look and I'll probably move my vote there if things stay stagnant

The last line feels like TMI. If Wiz doesn't know who the shopkeeper is, how did he know that he was part of the PoE? To me it seemed that he knew who the shopkeeper was and made a slip. And now I feel bad about Ty and Nin because they know who the shopkeeper is.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Okay I'm sorry, but I'm going to blow his spot if I'm correct because I don't want to waste my time making a case if this is the world we're living in and if I can figure this out, I know scum can.

Is the shopkeeper Natiko

 

[Ty4on]

Okay I'm sorry, but I'm going to blow his spot if I'm correct because I don't want to waste my time making a case if this is the world we're living in and if I can figure this out, I know scum can.

Is the shopkeeper Natiko

Yes

 

[Aeleus]

I kind of assumed shopkeeper is Nat as well just based on who has claimed what

 

[Chuggernaut]

Why did I shot Wiz:

I was null on Wiz yesterday and I tried rereading him.

I was surprised how little Wiz did during the first 3 days. He was barely around, just posting enough that he had a presence but without doing much. There were almost none interactions between Malus and Wiz.

The claims was really weird to me:









There was no need for Wiz to claim. The info was not important enough for him to claim. But then he seemed bothered that people didn't care about the claim. That felt like scum who posted a fake claim and people didn't care. If you are town and people don't care about your role why would it bother you? And when he explained the role it made no sense to me. If you are a item giver why wouldn't your target recieve notification about getting an item? How would they use the item if they don't know what they got? I even went to Mafia Universe list of roles to check and every item giver role said that the player who receive the item is notified.

But what really make me doubt Wiz was this post:



The last line feels like TMI. If Wiz doesn't know who the shopkeeper is, how did he know that he was part of the PoE? To me it seemed that he knew who the shopkeeper was and made a slip. And now I feel bad about Ty and Nin because they know who the shopkeeper is.

Oh this is a legit good catch.

I think this was meant to not let Turms just get town cleared too so that helps

Also makes me feel good about Melon because I don't think scum links themselves like that

 

[Ty4on]

That's one heck of a slip from Wizard

 

[Chuggernaut]

Yes

Cool okay. Yeah sure he can have a win

 

[Ty4on]

I kind of assumed shopkeeper is Nat as well just based on who has claimed what

I guess they just assumed and figured it out that way.

 

[Aeleus]

Again it might have slipped through with the excitement of Wizard's death but someone claimed to me last night to have targeted nin with a weak action (basically a green check)

 

[Ty4on]

I'll try to not overthink it, but it's such a weird thing to say that if you don't know for sure who it is.

Natiko seemed alright to me and claimed neutral immediately, but now part of me wonders if he could be scum.

One of the reasons why I trusted him so much is that he never tried to gain XP the normal way with voting so it seemed to make sense he had this weird mechanic for gaining XP instead helping his wincon.

 

[Ty4on]

Again it might have slipped through with the excitement of Wizard's death but someone claimed to me last night to have targeted nin with a weak action (basically a green check)

And Fran is pretty much confirmed while I am far too cool to be scum

 

[melonrabbit]

Hmm

Nat?

Hmm

 

[Ty4on]

There was no need for Wiz to claim. The info was not important enough for him to claim. But then he seemed bothered that people didn't care about the claim. That felt like scum who posted a fake claim and people didn't care. If you are town and people don't care about your role why would it bother you? And when he explained the role it made no sense to me. If you are a item giver why wouldn't your target recieve notification about getting an item? How would they use the item if they don't know what they got? I even went to Mafia Universe list of roles to check and every item giver role said that the player who receive the item is notified.

So melon didn't get any notification? Just making sure she didn't get anything from another scum since iirc none of wiz' actions were giving items out.

 

[melonrabbit]

I have received no reports for any of my night activities

 

[melonrabbit]

well

I guess that's not true

 

[Ty4on]

Franconp
Claimed a shot on mafia

Zippedpinhead
Claimed a red check on mafia

Aeleus
Defended Geno and gained his trust

nin1000
Claimed green peeked by someone Aeleus talked to

melonrabbit
Got a "vest" from Wizard

 

[Ty4on]

Just some random townie mech. I guess Aeleus' is a lot weaker than the others

 

[nin1000]

FUCKING YES!!!!!

I was soo stressed last night and now I can't stop smiling.

Yes, I shot Wizard last night.

gg wp

 

[Sorian]

On the one hand, now I feel like my day is thrown off because I was prepared to come in here and point out that all Wiz has been doing is coming in, pouring gasoline on the fire by riling people up about me and leaving immediately so I was going to start trying to get his vote going but on the other hand, dead scum is always good and now I can go re-read him knowing for sure.

Good job Fran

Im a little salty that both of my theories about TWE were wrong though, what a weird fucking role.

 

[melonrabbit]

I wish I was better at this game

Bc this is gonna bug me

 

[Ty4on]

Sorian
Claimed they were gonna use a good power tonight iirc

Chuggernaut
Fruit vendor, gave Natiko a negative effect

Alexem
Used lie detector on Chuggs about having no poison, got truth

turmoil7
Backup, used a protection on Zipped

Muffin
Gossip, had a chat with nin

Natiko
Outed as shop vendor

 

[Ty4on]

Hmm, I guess from all of those claims it's pretty easy to assume Natiko is shop vendor

 

[Ty4on]

On the one hand, now I feel like my day is thrown off because I was prepared to come in here and point out that all Wiz has been doing is coming in, pouring gasoline on the fire by riling people up about me and leaving immediately so I was going to start trying to get his vote going but on the other hand, dead scum is always good and now I can go re-read him knowing for sure.

Good job Fran

Im a little salty that both of my theories about TWE were wrong though, what a weird fucking role.

Is this what wolf scum salt looks like?

Sorry, I won't stay in my tunnel all day :p

 

[Sorian]

I can come back in a bit but I caught up real quick and just wanted to ask these two things:

Woohoo!

I was in a gossip chat last night with someone who claimed JOAT, they also claimed to have used a weak power on nin n2.

(For those who forget weak modifier means if it targets non town the player using the action dies).

So nin is very likely town.

Am I supposed to gather that this is another gossip? Not your ability?
——-

And as far as Natiko goes, cool, I already had it narrowed down to Natiko more likely and Wiz less likely as the shopkeeper so not really a revelation. Let him win.

 

[Ty4on]

And as far as Natiko goes, cool, I already had it narrowed down to Natiko more likely and Wiz less likely as the shopkeeper so not really a revelation. Let him win.

But Wiz had claimed the chainmail on melon yesterday?

 

[Aeleus]

PoE:
Natiko
Fran
Alexem
Sorian
Geno

Looking at this POE and wondering if Alexem is a scum mate here.


Initial push due to hedging and wishy washy statements leading to a vote on D1

I don't love this answer, it seems really wishy-washy and I don't come away with a clear sense of what you actually think of the players mentioned.

What Nat has is sleight but I feel like he is bringing his own insights/takes and I'm nodding when I read the little he does put down right now, wouldn't go there.

I think Alexem's vote has the least conviction of what I've seen so far and his reads don't make me feel better. I think that's a solid pick for today.
Vote: Alexem

Day 2 questions why Alexem isn't on the menu any more but quickly shifts to mentioning they're finding them less scummy (but still on radar)

It’s interesting to Alexem fell out of contention cause I feel like that’s a wagon where the sentiment showed more interest than translated into votes. I could put some names and quotes here if I wasn’t lazy on mobile but you get the gist

I like Alex a bit more today too, that vote list looks more solid. The thing giving me pause is the wagon collapse, especially if Ty and AelSneeks are town, seemed like a good spot to park a vote.

- Ty (town lean)

• Geno and Alexem on here, would flip Alex before Geno as I think it's weird that there was resistance to the vote there yesterday. I've seen scum Geno do the stubborn tunnel thing so I think he could be scum here too.

Nothing on D3 besides a couple prods (this is the most significant one) but ends up being on POE

• I'm shocked Captain's role was real. I feel like the gamerunners are just cruel to have someone earnestly state they laid an egg in self-defense.
• 
  See this feels neutral or scum-coded that they have this ability which doesn't work like any of the rest of us, but having their identity revealed is odd in that case.
• 
  This observation about Neon is interesting, I'm not sure I would join those dots so quickly upon learning poison is a thing in this game, what made you go back and check their role?

 

[melonrabbit]

But Wiz had claimed the chainmail on melon yesterday?

Ppl claimed a lot of things yesterday but idk why I'd be a candidate for a night kill from scum at that point in the game.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I do think it's important to note there's a decent chance scum had enough information to figure out Nat was the shopkeeper without actually being in a chat with him and that's not even touching that a role cop can exist so I don't think it means we have scum in the people who chatted with him.

I mostly say this because I think the only one there I would humor flipping is Ty and I do not think it's Ty

 

[Sorian]

But Wiz had claimed the chainmail on melon yesterday?

And? Melon didn’t confirm anything and no one in the room seemed to care about this claim so o figured it was bullshit and you, Fran, and nin were just letting him say whatever since you knew it didn’t matter

 

[Aeleus]

I can come back in a bit but I caught up real quick and just wanted to ask these two things:



Am I supposed to gather that this is another gossip? Not your ability?

Not my power. When all the chats are made public history will also know I found Wizard suspicious FWIW.

 

[melonrabbit]

I'm a struggling to understand this shopkeeper mechanic and guess am I just too dumb for this game

 

[Natiko]

Yep, happy to confirm I’m the shopkeeper. I’m probably 2-3 exchanges away from exiting. I’ve described myself essentially as a gacha machine to my invitees so far. Great job on the shot @Franconp ! So glad it worked out that our trade didn’t derail your plan. Hopefully with my role and alignment being out in the open my general ambivalence and lack of worry with being a low contributor makes some sense.

 

[melonrabbit]

:(

 

[Chuggernaut]

The night chat count just getting larger

 

[melonrabbit]

I’ve described myself essentially as a gacha machine to my invitees so far.

So they visit you and not the other way around?

 

[melonrabbit]

The night chat count just getting larger

No chats for melon :(

 

[Muffin]

Bit late for day start, was busy getting mad at a falsely advertised hdmi cable

Wizard was one of the people I had trouble getting a read on, so good work getting him out, I probably wouldn't have voted him for a long time.

I had 5xp last night so I got my Tier 2, who wants to have a chat with me next night? I'll have to send the command before the day ends

 

[Aeleus]

Was going to claim this regardless (and have already done so to my gossip partner) but with natiko out I think it's more relevant.

My 6xp power is trash, it strengthens the person who I make a chat which is very obviously counter productive: it's best used on a player I town read who is using a powerful ability, I would rather said player not die due to lover shenanigans.

I've already learnt my tier 1 and tier 2 abilities so I don't mind donating any I get from now on to get neutral nat out of here when the time is right.

 

[Franconp]

Does Sorian shots TWE last night after posting this:

Oh wait, lmao, I get it, I know what TWE’s 6 exp skill is

For the record, I do not think that flier thing was TWE or a PR, my idea is something different but this isn’t important

I think that Sorian had the same idea that I had when TWE was talking about his role: that one of his abilities was a revive. That's why he received a list of who died before the day started.

Does it makes sense for Sorian to shot him the next night? I'm leaning no. They would at least wait a bit.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Does Sorian shots TWE last night after posting this:





I think that Sorian had the same idea that I had when TWE was talking about his role: that one of his abilities was a revive. That's why he received a list of who died before the day started.

Does it makes sense for Sorian to shot him the next night? I'm leaning no. They would at least wait a bit.

If this was what Sorian thought I lean away from him openly speculating about it at the very least

 

[Alexem]

I thought it was odd that Worthy came out with a claim when he did, since he wasn't exactly under the gun at the time. In hindsight, it looks like bait to me - if he was last night's target, then it's not inconceivable that scum jumped to the wrong conclusion. Whether Sorian had anything to do with that or if they just ran with his posts that Fran highlighted is a fair question.

 

[Ty4on]

Does Sorian shots TWE last night after posting this:

I think that Sorian had the same idea that I had when TWE was talking about his role: that one of his abilities was a revive. That's why he received a list of who died before the day started.

Does it makes sense for Sorian to shot him the next night? I'm leaning no. They would at least wait a bit.

Hmm. I think TWE doesn't make sense for scum Sorian because TWE town read Sorian, but if he thought TWE was a reviver then I think it makes sense to shoot him quickly since you want all town docs dead.

Also revivers are bastard and cost me a scum game many years ago. Stopping a strong kill is messed up ._.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

FUCKING YES!!!!!

I was soo stressed last night and now I can't stop smiling.

Yes, I shot Wizard last night.

I’m bowing to you too! That’s incredible!

 

[Natiko]

So they visit you and not the other way around?

Do you mean for the purposes of tracking? I submit the command during the day and we then have a night chat to bargain in. I would have to ask Hedin for any clarity on what that looks like from a movement perspective.

Was going to claim this regardless (and have already done so to my gossip partner) but with natiko out I think it's more relevant.

My 6xp power is trash, it strengthens the person who I make a chat which is very obviously counter productive: it's best used on a player I town read who is using a powerful ability, I would rather said player not die due to lover shenanigans.

I've already learnt my tier 1 and tier 2 abilities so I don't mind donating any I get from now on to get neutral nat out of here when the time is right.

I am always happy to strike a deal! Depending on how much XP you’ll have I might get be able to swing an exit on the quicker end should there not be many objections. If anyone does have any doubts on my alignment, I’ll be able to prove it out sooner that way.

 

[Sorian]

Does Sorian shots TWE last night after posting this:





I think that Sorian had the same idea that I had when TWE was talking about his role: that one of his abilities was a revive. That's why he received a list of who died before the day started.

Does it makes sense for Sorian to shot him the next night? I'm leaning no. They would at least wait a bit.

I mean yes, obviously, I thought that was clearly what was going on here, I’m even more confused at what his role was meant for now.

@Natiko You can add me to the list too, I have a theory about you that I want to talk to you privately about but I’m also willing to flash a good chunk of exp at you.

 

[melonrabbit]

Do you mean for the purposes of tracking? I submit the command during the day and we then have a night chat to bargain in. I would have to ask Hedin for any clarity on what that looks like from a movement perspective.

Idk what I mean anymore. i guess i had envisioned the shop as a location both parties visited. If u can get clarification that'd be tight.

 

[Sorian]

Re-read the day start and everything but I had already commented on everything worth commenting on. I was more side reading because we were about to watch that new Knives Out movie which I highly recommend, anyway I'm going to do the following because I feel like I need a reset before I go back and read Wizard:


Natiko Tier
[He/Him] Natiko - UTC-5 - What're ya buyin'?

Confirmed Town
[He/Him] Franconp|Fran - UTC-3 - Uncontested night vig shot on scum
[He/Him] Zippedpinhead|Zipped - UTC-6 - Red check on scum, correct, technically the "weakest" confirm if team wanted to bus but I doubt it
[He/Him] nin1000|nin - UTC+1 - Green check from a weak modifier role

Claim w/ someone backing the claim
[He/They] Chuggernaut|Chuggs - UTC+6 - Sent bad fruit to Natiko*****
[He/Him] Muffin - UTC+1 - Was able to gossip with Nin
[She/Her] Sawneeks|Sneeks - UTC-8 (Aeleus) - Was able to lover's chat with Geno

Claim out but w/ no verification
[He/Him] Alexem - UTC+0 - Lie detector, probably true info? But could just be guessed
[He/Him] Ty4on|Ty - UTC+1 - Various levels of commuter++++++
[He/Him] turmoil7|turm - UTC-3 - Back-up for first town death, I think it's fairer to put him here but without a counter claim, I believe he's actually in the tier above since I think the Blarg night was two deaths. In theory that could even bump him to confirmed but let's not get crazy, that all hinges on my theory that a kill was stopped.

What are we doing?
[They] melonrabbit|melon - UTC-8 - Vague mentions that people have claimed their abilities which points to another JOAT I guess.

*****As I was writing this, am I remembering right that you said this fruit made abilities cost more? Did this mess up your win con Natiko?
++++++Ty, you didn't try to commute the night Blarg died, did you?

 

[Sorian]

I'm glad I did this exercise because it kind of made me realize that this was pointless but thank you for humoring me Ael. I'm the one that gossiped with Ael last night, I'm a JOAT as well. I crumbed that I was going to investigate nin near the end of day 2 and reported back start of day 3 that he was clearly town. I had to do it that way because I was the type that dies if I targeted scum (specifically, so I think Natiko would not have killed me) so it had to be obvious in case I died. You can go find the posts, it's pretty obvious. My tier 2 was the gossip chat which I mostly wanted to use to secretly get my check out through someone else. I actually had Fran selected for chat for most of the day phase but switched to Ael at the last second because I felt like talking to someone who didn't trust me would make for better conversation. They actually helped me get my head on straight because I think we both settled that today was going to be a big push to vote out Wiz. Ael knows my tier 3, I will not be claiming it now or probably ever if I'm being honest.

The number of chats is kind of wild to me but I accepted days ago that I don't think I can assume alignment or mechanics from all that at this point. My two other powers really don't gain much from having a gossip ability too but tbh my three abilities are more just cute together when you know my role name.

I'm doing all this because I want to attack the low hanging fruit for right now and I realized it was really just me and melon who have done nothing.

VOTE: melon

Your turn, personally, I think people were too loose with their roles but here we are and now you are my biggest question mark.

 

[melonrabbit]

waiting on clarification assuming Nat gets it

 

[melonrabbit]

But likely my role was unhelpful

 

[Chuggernaut]

Melon do you have the other night chat

 

[Chuggernaut]

Oh wait never mind. Forgot you mentioned no one chatting with you and I don't know why you would pick Ael

 

[Chuggernaut]

Oh wait it's Sorian I can't read

 

[melonrabbit]

Melon do you have the other night chat

Sorian literally just said it was him

Unless there's a even more secret chat yall aren't tell me about

 

[melonrabbit]

I had Sorian and Nat backwards in my attempts to make sense of all this yesterday

Everyone was gossip (but Melon) the game.

 

[melonrabbit]

why you would pick Ael

for the record I would've if I could've

so u aren't wrong

 

[Chuggernaut]

This is going to be an annoying solve. I'm really not seeing a clear scum team here.

 

[melonrabbit]

i throw out all my notes

 

[Sorian]

This is 3 more scum right? From the hip without reading back (I'm not doing that until tomorrow morning) I'm going to shoot my shot on melon, Alex, and Muffin. I had a very stupid idea for a scum role that would explain Muffin's gossips and then Ael had an infinitely better idea (that I don't think they believe but I'm looking for scum here and Muffin is still a contender for me). But based on how shaky Wizard's claim was, I don't think scum had good claims to fall back on which is why I want to know what melon is trying to come up with here.

 

[Chuggernaut]

This is 3 more scum right? From the hip without reading back (I'm not doing that until tomorrow morning) I'm going to shoot my shot on melon, Alex, and Muffin. I had a very stupid idea for a scum role that would explain Muffin's gossips and then Ael had an infinitely better idea (that I don't think they believe but I'm looking for scum here and Muffin is still a contender for me). But based on how shaky Wizard's claim was, I don't think scum had good claims to fall back on which is why I want to know what melon is trying to come up with here.

do we think 5 and a neutral or 4 and a neutral?

I don't hate that team but honestly I don't think Muffin and Melon have that in them acting wise and I kind of don't buy them being teamed. I'm kind of leaning toward Alex here although I don't love that either

 

[melonrabbit]

I don't think I have jack shit Tbh

But without clarification i guess ill never know

 

[Sorian]

do we think 5 and a neutral or 4 and a neutral?

I don't hate that team but honestly I don't think Muffin and Melon have that in them acting wise and I kind of don't buy them being teamed. I'm kind of leaning toward Alex here although I don't love that either

Unless Natiko is going to somehow kill people on his way out of the game, this has to be 5 and a neutral. A 4 scum team with no extra outside help with NKs would be way too small.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Unless Natiko is going to somehow kill people on his way out of the game, this has to be 5 and a neutral. A 4 scum team with no extra outside help with NKs would be way too small.

Okay so do you think they're capable of faking that argument?

 

[melonrabbit]

Ael knows my tier 3, I will not be claiming it now or probably ever if I'm being honest.

Also why are ur secrets more important than mine.

This is extortion >:(

 

[melonrabbit]

Okay so do you think they're capable of faking that argument?

Who is faking what argument?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Who is faking what argument?

You and Muffin

 

[Chuggernaut]

Also why are ur secrets more important than mine.

This is extortion >:(

Here's the thing, you're currently the only person in the game that doesn't have something out there about their role in some way or another so yeah, right now it's kind of looking like you're trying to come up with something

 

[melonrabbit]

Sorian if you wanted me to say something unhinged all you have to do is ask nicely

 

[melonrabbit]

Here's the thing, you're currently the only person in the game that doesn't have something out there about their role in some way or another so yeah, right now it's kind of looking like you're trying to come up with something

If I was i would hope I'd do a better job

But I probably would not

 

[Muffin]

Feel like the scum team went with the "don't really talk to each other openly" approach

 

[Sorian]

Okay so do you think they're capable of faking that argument?

It's possible but unlikely is kind of where I'm at. There's no way there isn't at least one between them, nothing else makes sense with how these roles are interacting.

Also why are ur secrets more important than mine.

This is extortion >:(

My tier 3 isn't worth much and I'd rather play the Natiko slot machine if I'm being honest at this point.

 

[melonrabbit]

I am gonna attempt to be social this evening so won't be around to annoy yall

But I will ask this: does there have to be a neutral in this game?

 

[Muffin]

At this point I'm feeling a Ty vote partially as apology to Geno

 

[Chuggernaut]

It's possible but unlikely is kind of where I'm at. There's no way there isn't at least one between them, nothing else makes sense with how these roles are interacting.

Yeah this is where I'm at. I think one of them is, but I don't think it's both

I'm kind of landing on Melon at the moment as well

 

[Chuggernaut]

I am gonna attempt to be social this evening so won't be around to annoy yall

But I will ask this: does there have to be a neutral in this game?

It's either that or Nat is scum and that doesn't exactly sound like a scum role

 

[Chuggernaut]

Imma pressure this too.

Vote: Melon

 

[melonrabbit]

It's either that or Nat is scum and that doesn't exactly sound like a scum role

It is if ur a true believer in SlipGate.

 

[melonrabbit]

Imma pressure this too.

Vote: Melon

Okay.

I'm already said I'm waiting on Nat.

But I don't think he's going get clarification. And I think I wasted my shot after all.

 

[Franconp]

I was more side reading because we were about to watch that new Knives Out movie which I highly recommend

I just watched the movie and it was fun.

I actually had Fran selected for chat for most of the day phase

:( I really needed someone last night to bounce ideas as I was really worried about killing town.

I'm going to shoot my shot on melon, Alex, and Muffin

Do you think that Wiz claims giving an item to his partner Melon? If so why would he claim that the receiver don't get notified? Melon could have claimed that they got a chainmail and it all be good. Thinking while writting, maybe he realiced after the claim that it would be hard to justify his role when noone else got an item??? Still, it's weird that scum would link themselves like that.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Honestly I kind of struggle seeing either of the m&m's here as scum, but I truly can't imagine what role Melon has that is apparently not all that good, but they also want to play coy about for some reason

but also i'm impatient and don't want to waste a lot of time on this so

 

[Chuggernaut]

But I think Muffin especially as a lot that un pairs him with both flipped scum

 

[Sorian]

I just watched the movie and it was fun.



:( I really needed someone last night to bounce ideas as I was really worried about killing town.



Do you think that Wiz claims giving an item to his partner Melon? If so why would he claim that the receiver don't get notified? Melon could have claimed that they got a chainmail and it all be good. Thinking while writting, maybe he realiced after the claim that it would be hard to justify his role when noone else got an item??? Still, it's weird that scum would link themselves like that.

Yeah, choosing you would have definitely been more fun but it worked out better, who knows where we would have landed.

It's obviously hindsight talking a bit but Wiz's claim felt very half baked. Even at the time I thought it came out of nowhere but you had a chance to say something and didn't and I think Ty was around to so I kind of just figured Wiz was doing weird cover for himself as the shopkeeper and that's why you two ignored the claim. Wiz is pretty good at distancing iirc so I think its NAI more than anything who he chose. My bigger gripe is even when I pushed them on it again yesterday, melon didn't confirm or deny receiving anything which is why I feel like the claim was very half baked when it came out.

 

[Hedin]

==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start

melonrabbit (2 votes)
Sorian - #3,054
Chuggernaut - #3,082

Not voting: Alexem, Muffin, turmoil7, Franconp, Zippedpinhead, melonrabbit, Ty4on, nin1000, Natiko, Aeleus

Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 28 Chuggernaut: 24 Ty4on: 18 Sorian: 10 Aeleus: 8 Franconp: 6 Muffin: 3 Alexem: 2 Natiko: 2 nin1000: 1 turmoil7: 1 Zippedpinhead: 1

Current Countdown:

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[Muffin]

No seriously who do I invite to the chat I have no clue

Or should I keep that to me

 

[melonrabbit]

Me so they can finally link us together.

Wait

No don't do that

But maybe

 

[Natiko]

I mean yes, obviously, I thought that was clearly what was going on here, I’m even more confused at what his role was meant for now.

@Natiko You can add me to the list too, I have a theory about you that I want to talk to you privately about but I’m also willing to flash a good chunk of exp at you.

I can’t help but be curious what you’re thinking, especially since I don’t have anything on my end that feels unclear or like a mysterious thread to be tugged at. I imagine I’ll be able to swing by both on my way to getting enough XP.

Idk what I mean anymore. i guess i had envisioned the shop as a location both parties visited. If u can get clarification that'd be tight.

I’ve asked a couple questions around how my role interacts with tracking roles, TBD if I’ll get clarification.

Re-read the day start and everything but I had already commented on everything worth commenting on. I was more side reading because we were about to watch that new Knives Out movie which I highly recommend, anyway I'm going to do the following because I feel like I need a reset before I go back and read Wizard:


Natiko Tier
[He/Him] Natiko - UTC-5 - What're ya buyin'?

Confirmed Town
[He/Him] Franconp|Fran - UTC-3 - Uncontested night vig shot on scum
[He/Him] Zippedpinhead|Zipped - UTC-6 - Red check on scum, correct, technically the "weakest" confirm if team wanted to bus but I doubt it
[He/Him] nin1000|nin - UTC+1 - Green check from a weak modifier role

Claim w/ someone backing the claim
[He/They] Chuggernaut|Chuggs - UTC+6 - Sent bad fruit to Natiko*****
[He/Him] Muffin - UTC+1 - Was able to gossip with Nin
[She/Her] Sawneeks|Sneeks - UTC-8 (Aeleus) - Was able to lover's chat with Geno

Claim out but w/ no verification
[He/Him] Alexem - UTC+0 - Lie detector, probably true info? But could just be guessed
[He/Him] Ty4on|Ty - UTC+1 - Various levels of commuter++++++
[He/Him] turmoil7|turm - UTC-3 - Back-up for first town death, I think it's fairer to put him here but without a counter claim, I believe he's actually in the tier above since I think the Blarg night was two deaths. In theory that could even bump him to confirmed but let's not get crazy, that all hinges on my theory that a kill was stopped.

What are we doing?
[They] melonrabbit|melon - UTC-8 - Vague mentions that people have claimed their abilities which points to another JOAT I guess.

*****As I was writing this, am I remembering right that you said this fruit made abilities cost more? Did this mess up your win con Natiko?
++++++Ty, you didn't try to commute the night Blarg died, did you?

It did not, though I was informed that the fruit was intended to raise the cost of abilities so that part was accurate. It just ended up not being relevant when applied to my role.

 

[melonrabbit]

truly can't imagine what role Melon has that is apparently not all that good, but they also want to play coy about for some reason

but also i'm impatient

I am just not smart like yall and I'm having trouble figuring this out and don't want to appear even stupider by going on a tangent that is impossible and being mocked for it.

Idk why your impatient. We are doing well(ish) for once.

 

[melonrabbit]

I’ve asked a couple questions around how my role interacts with tracking roles, TBD if I’ll get clarification.

Ty for asking

 

[Alexem]

If Melon and Muffin are shaping up as the early options, I'd rather vote for Melon of the two. I don't think they've been trying to hide as such, but their posts have felt more 'fluffy' to me.

VOTE: melonrabbit

 

[lokiduck]

==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start

melonrabbit (3 votes)
Sorian - #3,054
Chuggernaut - #3,082
Alexem - #3,095

Not voting: Muffin, turmoil7, Franconp, Zippedpinhead, melonrabbit, Ty4on, nin1000, Natiko, Aeleus

Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 31 Chuggernaut: 24 Ty4on: 18 Sorian: 10 Aeleus: 8 Franconp: 6 Muffin: 4 Alexem: 3 Natiko: 3 nin1000: 1 turmoil7: 1 Zippedpinhead: 1

Current Countdown:

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[turmoil7]

Sorian's weak green check would be easy to fake, they could have a gossip shot as part of a scum JOAT. Just saying for the late game.

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I'm having a hard time figuring out who could be scum among the remaining players.

 

[turmoil7]

No seriously who do I invite to the chat I have no clue

Or should I keep that to me

I think confirmed town would be a good pick so they can confirm it's real

 

[turmoil7]

Ael has used their lovers chat twice, right?

 

[Aeleus]

Ael has used their lovers chat twice, right?

What makes you say that?