melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I see. didnt realize you had meant after purchase. had thought it was some you had missed initially and noticed after going to make a purchase.
RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI
- Thread starter Hedin
- Start date
I see. didnt realize you had meant after purchase. had thought it was some you had missed initially and noticed after going to make a purchase.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Kinda surprised the convo just kinda died. Seems there should be quite a bit to discuss today.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
This is a pretty important thing to get an answer to
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
At this point, I feel like we have Melon caught in a lie here.
I still want to see what they come back with, but I think they’re really struggling with this because there is no hide shot to actually ask Hedin about.
Also the most recent comments just read as hoping we’ll talk about literally anything else. The other thing that just feels weird to me is is their PR does work differently town Melon should know Sorian is lying here but they aren’t actually pushing that at all. Seem very uninterested in Sorian even
I still want to see what they come back with, but I think they’re really struggling with this because there is no hide shot to actually ask Hedin about.
Also the most recent comments just read as hoping we’ll talk about literally anything else. The other thing that just feels weird to me is is their PR does work differently town Melon should know Sorian is lying here but they aren’t actually pushing that at all. Seem very uninterested in Sorian even
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
to be fair, all of the above can be scum play
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I’m voting melon today and since nin is probably just going to override them anyway I’m just going to get on the vote now because I’d still like to get to 6 exp in case I need it. I was giving this claim benefit of the doubt but no new answers overnight tells me this was just melon hoping we would take a wait and see approach.
VOTE: melon
VOTE: melon
==== DAY 6 VOTES ====
Day Start
melonrabbit (2 votes)
Muffin - #3,399
Sorian - #3,511
Chuggernaut (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #3,427
Not voting: turmoil7, Zippedpinhead, Chuggernaut, Ty4on, nin1000, Aeleus
Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 34 Chuggernaut: 30 Ty4on: 20 Sorian: 13 Muffin: 7 turmoil7: 5 nin1000: 4 Zippedpinhead: 2 Aeleus: 1
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Day Start
melonrabbit (2 votes)
Muffin - #3,399
Sorian - #3,511
Chuggernaut (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #3,427
Not voting: turmoil7, Zippedpinhead, Chuggernaut, Ty4on, nin1000, Aeleus
Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 34 Chuggernaut: 30 Ty4on: 20 Sorian: 13 Muffin: 7 turmoil7: 5 nin1000: 4 Zippedpinhead: 2 Aeleus: 1
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Updated claims list
Confirmed Scum
Malus: Necromancer (2xp Track, 4xp Loved/Hated maker, 6xp Roleblock)
Wizard: Archmage (2xp Switch, 4xp 1-time ninja maker, 6xp strong kill)
Alexem: Berserker (2xp roleblock, 4xp strong kill, 6xp vote bomb)
Confirmed Town
Febe: Paladin (2xp Alignment Check, 4xp Bodyguard, 6xp Sequential Suicidal Vigilante)
TWE: Narrator (2xp narration post, 4xp narration post + early kill knowledge, 6xp narration post + early killed and role knowledge)
Captain: Easter Egg Sprite (2xp Lay, 4xp Incubate, 6xp Happy Easter!) -> Who knows what this actually means
Geno: Messenger (2xp random/delayed message, 4xp normal/delayed message, 6xp message)
HP: Wizard (2xp Strengthen, 4xp Ascetic, 6xp Nexus)
Blarg: Bard (2xp Strengthen, 4xp Roleblock, 6xp Innocent Child)
Neon: Tank (2xp Bodyguard, 4xp Self Deflect, 6xp Heal)
Fran: Archer (2xp Track, 4xp Watch, 6xp Vigilante shot)
Confirmed Neutral
Natiko: NPC Vendor (Neutral, needed 8xp to win, sells items with powers (one is useless) for xp chosen by natiko in night chat)
Claims
Sorian: ??? (2xp Weak Hider, 4xp Gossip, 6xp ???)
Chuggs: Fruit Vendor (2xp rng fruit, 4xp xp price increasing fruit, 6xp ???)
Ty4on: ??? (2xp 50% commute, 4xp 75% commute, 6xp commute)
Muffin: ??? (2xp gossip w/ random target, 4xp gossip, 6xp gossip w/ two targets)
Aeleus: Seducer (?xp temporary lovers w/ chat, ?xp temporary lovers w/ chat + ?, 6xp temporary lovers w/ chat +strengthen lover)
Melon: Rogue (2xp Hide, 4xp Track, 6xp Commute)
Zipped: ??? (2xp ???, 4xp Alignment Check, 6xp ???)
nin: Mayor (2xp Loved, 4xp Doube Vote, 6xp ???)
turm: Backup -> Tank
Mysteries
Blarg's Death: Blarg was told they were 'feeling unwell' in highlighted text at the end of night 2, they were dead night 3 but with no additional kills, turm claims to have received Neon's role and used Heal on Zipped N3. Fran backs movement.
Verified/Highly Likely Powers
Sorian created chat with Aeleus N4
Chuggs sent Natiko xp price increasing fruit
Muffin created chat with nin N3
Aeleus created chat with Geno N3
Zipped: Red check on malus
nin: Used double vote
turm: confirmed to have visisted Zipped by Fran
Confirmed Scum
Malus: Necromancer (2xp Track, 4xp Loved/Hated maker, 6xp Roleblock)
Wizard: Archmage (2xp Switch, 4xp 1-time ninja maker, 6xp strong kill)
Alexem: Berserker (2xp roleblock, 4xp strong kill, 6xp vote bomb)
Confirmed Town
Febe: Paladin (2xp Alignment Check, 4xp Bodyguard, 6xp Sequential Suicidal Vigilante)
TWE: Narrator (2xp narration post, 4xp narration post + early kill knowledge, 6xp narration post + early killed and role knowledge)
Captain: Easter Egg Sprite (2xp Lay, 4xp Incubate, 6xp Happy Easter!) -> Who knows what this actually means
Geno: Messenger (2xp random/delayed message, 4xp normal/delayed message, 6xp message)
HP: Wizard (2xp Strengthen, 4xp Ascetic, 6xp Nexus)
Blarg: Bard (2xp Strengthen, 4xp Roleblock, 6xp Innocent Child)
Neon: Tank (2xp Bodyguard, 4xp Self Deflect, 6xp Heal)
Fran: Archer (2xp Track, 4xp Watch, 6xp Vigilante shot)
Confirmed Neutral
Natiko: NPC Vendor (Neutral, needed 8xp to win, sells items with powers (one is useless) for xp chosen by natiko in night chat)
Claims
Sorian: ??? (2xp Weak Hider, 4xp Gossip, 6xp ???)
Chuggs: Fruit Vendor (2xp rng fruit, 4xp xp price increasing fruit, 6xp ???)
Ty4on: ??? (2xp 50% commute, 4xp 75% commute, 6xp commute)
Muffin: ??? (2xp gossip w/ random target, 4xp gossip, 6xp gossip w/ two targets)
Aeleus: Seducer (?xp temporary lovers w/ chat, ?xp temporary lovers w/ chat + ?, 6xp temporary lovers w/ chat +strengthen lover)
Melon: Rogue (2xp Hide, 4xp Track, 6xp Commute)
Zipped: ??? (2xp ???, 4xp Alignment Check, 6xp ???)
nin: Mayor (2xp Loved, 4xp Doube Vote, 6xp ???)
turm: Backup -> Tank
Mysteries
Blarg's Death: Blarg was told they were 'feeling unwell' in highlighted text at the end of night 2, they were dead night 3 but with no additional kills, turm claims to have received Neon's role and used Heal on Zipped N3. Fran backs movement.
Verified/Highly Likely Powers
Sorian created chat with Aeleus N4
Chuggs sent Natiko xp price increasing fruit
Muffin created chat with nin N3
Aeleus created chat with Geno N3
Zipped: Red check on malus
nin: Used double vote
turm: confirmed to have visisted Zipped by Fran
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I am not lying and I'm more concerned with what your doing than Sorian at the moment.
I got my response and it is as I've already explained.
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
i wont use override today.
since i also want melon out
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
i currently want Sorian - Chuggs - Melon out.
The order is not set, i also know that its not going to be easy to get sorian and or chuggs out of the game.
I have my ways though.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
I’m down for trying melon today.
I’m wondering if there is some sort of status effect mechanic that only really hit on Blarg and poisoned him. Maybe something RNG related to items or the final scum team members? Something that would ramp scum team NKs to compete with all the tracking and healing abilities town has.
I’m wondering if there is some sort of status effect mechanic that only really hit on Blarg and poisoned him. Maybe something RNG related to items or the final scum team members? Something that would ramp scum team NKs to compete with all the tracking and healing abilities town has.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
I mean is anyone else poisoned or stoned or any other generic fantasy status effect today?
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I have to sleep lol. I just answered.
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
hey zipped. may i ask you something ?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Vote: Melon
Yeah Melon is lying
Yeah Melon is lying
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Perhaps. For town safety yall should probably ask Sorian to not vote today.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Sure
I think it's worth noting that mafia killed Fran over Zipped so they prioritized an active town voice over potential night action powers:
Here's his idea for the scum team, with him trying to sway a chuggs vote at the very end there I think it'd be safe to say he was leaning Chuggs > Ty > Aeleus/Muffin > Alexem.
Fully town read Zipped, turm and nin (unless sorian is scum)
Town leaned Sorian, Muffin and Melon
IMO his death took a lot of pressure off of both Ty4on and Chuggs and took away a potentially defensive voice for Melon.
@Zippedpinhead unless turm manages the save (or scum is very kind to me) you are likely dead tonight, if you have any information you want to share now would be the time.
Here's his idea for the scum team, with him trying to sway a chuggs vote at the very end there I think it'd be safe to say he was leaning Chuggs > Ty > Aeleus/Muffin > Alexem.
Fully town read Zipped, turm and nin (unless sorian is scum)
Town leaned Sorian, Muffin and Melon
IMO his death took a lot of pressure off of both Ty4on and Chuggs and took away a potentially defensive voice for Melon.
@Zippedpinhead unless turm manages the save (or scum is very kind to me) you are likely dead tonight, if you have any information you want to share now would be the time.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Actually I don’t really need the XP now if someone else wants it
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Scum should absolutely try to kill me tonight. I was literally shocked to not wake up dead this day phase
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
I also don’t need the exp anymore (I’ll have 8 now after today’s extra exp gain) but will vote if I need to
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
No. I'm not. I would've dropped it if it was a lie and just said it was the same as Sorian. There is no need for me to double and triple down yall are wrong if I wasn't town.
I had to ask how what I was allowed to say after getting an answer and to wait on that and tbh it makes the experience playing unfair/not fun to have to manage that because yall immediately need an answer and any kind of delay is sus.
You can read it when I flip since yall are so impatient.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
That's why I'm saying and now when I flip everyone is going to go immediately after Sorian and Nin instead of Chuggs.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
This is why I am not voting Sorian today.
Yall need to go Fruit Vendor that has only delivered fruit once and apparently doesn't need xp anymore.
Yall need to go Fruit Vendor that has only delivered fruit once and apparently doesn't need xp anymore.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Then from your perspective you should know Sorian is lying about his because all of these so far have worked the same yet you still just don’t seem to be all that worried about it. Also come on you are not being scum read just for this.
I would recommend occam's razor on this one: a scum joat having a poison power is a lot more likely then a complicated status mechanic we've only seen a single sign of.
@melonrabbit are you aware that Sorian had a 1-shot gossip ability, I know you believe there's scum between me and muffin but couldn't Sorian be the mafia in this situation? This plus Sorian apparently having a hide that works differently than yours would surely be a bad sign?
I think Sorian is the best choice but I'll join you on chuggs for now.
Vote: Chuggernaut
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Because I don't think Sorian lying either.
I think your engineering this to get myself, Sorian and nin out now that your the loudest voice in the room with Fran out
Where do you go when I flip town ? Ty? Because you should if your town.
Why don't you need any xp. What have you done with and who have you send fruit to over the course of the game. Nat is one. Fill in the rest.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Yes. I am aware. But right now what Chuggs is doing is more alarming since he creating a scenario where three of town can just be voted out like dominoes.
And I think it is our best interest to solve Chuggs first.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
And why do you not think Sorian is lying.
I’m going to be real part of the reason I’m scum reading you this hard right now is because I truly do not believe you’re this obtuse.
Tier 1 failed
Tier 2 went to Nat
I had 5 XP last night so I now have enough for tier 3 by just existing right now so I’m good
I have said literally all of this. You can just go read my posts.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Any particular reasoning or just going with the flow?
Why did you drop Muffin so quickly from your list.
What plan??
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Because rn the way your handling this is far more sus than any inconsistencies I'm seeing from Sorian's claim. So if you are town like me let's take a step back and re-examine this.
You went from being down I test my ability over night to being impatient it took time to get and clear a response.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Melon we do not have an example in this game of having two different PR’s with the same action doing two different things. There are so many overlapping powers and they’ve all functioned the same at this point except for this specific one for some reason and you do not seem to be alarmed like that.
And no Melon, me voting you today has literally nothing to do with that and has everything to do with the fact that you hammered yesterday for the XP with zero fear of a bomb. the fact that you came into EoD trying to direct the vote off of the caught scum we had. the fact you keep shading people without actually caring about the answers you’re getting back
like you’re either scum or throwing the game over a tunnel and I truly think you have better town play than that
We are two votes away from turbo and I doubt anyone else is going to vote. Also clearly nin can just end the day whenever he wants regardless of our votes so it doesn’t actually matter. I’m lost here, it feels like it has to be melon because there is clearly an inconsistency between what I got from my role and what they are saying they got from their role. My only real issue is this does not read as someone who is going to flip as scum and, no offense melon, I don’t think you act well in a dire situation. I also don’t think it’s Chuggs, nothing is inconsistent with his fruit vendor claim so far and it was all made while scum was in a very good spot so I don’t see why he does it then as scum.
It’s clear that scum has someone hiding well because melon is only one person so I’m going to have to throw out these “guaranteed” worlds soon but I’m not willing to chase around ghosts right now on people with literally confirmed abilities.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Because if you want to flip the entire game on it's head I am going need some time to think this over and not immediately and rashly vote out someone that's been core to town throughout.
Y'all impatience is getting the better of you and the only one I see engaging in active discussion and solving at the moment is Ael. Which I should say I appreciate.
Chuggs you claimed you wanted to solve. Then at least work me to solve this. Or give me some grace.
@Aeleus iirc you're the only one that knows what Sorian's Tier 3 is? After reading through this day does what he claimed give you pause.
Y'all impatience is getting the better of you and the only one I see engaging in active discussion and solving at the moment is Ael. Which I should say I appreciate.
Chuggs you claimed you wanted to solve. Then at least work me to solve this. Or give me some grace.
@Aeleus iirc you're the only one that knows what Sorian's Tier 3 is? After reading through this day does what he claimed give you pause.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Sorry for the bad @melonrabbit melon! I’m just checking to see if anyone else has gotten status effected.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I'm not sure you can tell me what I felt with that hammer or what I do and don't care about now.
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
in the back of my head. there is this thing saying.
Zipped claimed to be a cop. sacrificed malus in order to get the trust of town.
how did this thing build inside my head you might ask ?
you are still alive brother.
I do not want someone to claim on my behalf by the way so at least respect that. My tier 3 is one of those things that works extremely well in a specific circumstance and is pointless if scum knows what it is since they can plan around it. Otherwise Ael can say if they think it works or not. All I’ll say if anyone actually cares about flavor at this point is I’m a tavern keeper and my tier 1 and 3 have to do with player’s rooms they stay in and tier 2 has to do with my manning the bar.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Now, now, we were saying yesterday that someone in the PoE should be the hammer. In any case melon offering to do it is a townie move to me(or scum trying to get brownie points, dunno)
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Nice to know I suck at ever part of this game :)
I could just self-vote if yall want an answer rn. But I thought I'd at least attempt to puzzle this out which yall don't seem to have the time of day for.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I’ve actually considered this too, but like…why. Malus wasn’t even in a bad spot
Usually I love a good conspiracy but this isn’t it nin. It seems pretty obvious based on how Wiz reacted that someone should have died with Blarg that one night and Turm is the only person who claimed a protective role and he targeted Zipped
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
also this is incredibly rude to say.
No one is adding urgency to this day except for you, you are at 3 out of 5 votes, you self voting isn’t even a hammer
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Melon came in and did this without actually talking about it to anyone with zero explanation for the vote.
Turms how is this your only thought so far today
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
You and Chuggs both immediately voted for me after having to wait for a response over night time when I was asleep.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Since the talk has turned to just insulting my play yall can do whatever.
This is no longer fun.
This is no longer fun.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Already told you why I was voting you but okay keep lying about the things I’m saying to try to make me look bad
Look, I’m not insulting your play, I don’t think it’s unfair to say that you are too honest of a player and you don’t usually sell the scum world, especially when caught. Which is why I want you to help me understand what the discrepancy here is, from my perspective, you are claiming something that should not be possible and you don’t seem to think I’m lying so explain why. With all the information I have, you have the same role as me but you don’t think that’s a problem that mine works different from yours.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I was responding to Sorian. Not you.
You are looking bad all by yourself.
You are looking bad all by yourself.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
uh huh
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Chuggs bring it back, either melon is lying or they’re not. If you want this solved, poking over and over again isn’t going to get the reaction on the off chance they’re telling the truth. If they’re lying then great whatever but clearly it’s getting to them in a way that’s not helping
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
How does this post help town in any way?
If you're town and fustrated take a break for a bit.
If you're scum knock it off. Jerk.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
At the time I thought it had comedic value as Ty was preparing so much to hammer himself :-)
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Actually my only thought is that I find hard both Melon and Sorian being town, and if there is a deep wolf I'm worried it may be you
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
This is what you wanted.
Not even slightly, this helps no one. You said you wanted that space to solve and I’m trying to give that space while working through that I still think you are lying and you aren’t taking it.
Did you read the post I warned might be dumb? I'd like your thoughts on it, I feel like a lot of our opinions are overlapping.
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
the thing that gives me pause is this, he used ONE of his powers, not all.
scum would want to get rid of him asap.
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
@melonrabbit if you turn out town, i will personally assure you that chuggs or sorian will bite it tomorrow,
you can chose who it will be.
you can chose who it will be.
If I’m right though, they did try to get rid of him asap. I’m not shocked that after it failed once, they didn’t keep trying to hit the same thing again. They were probably worried it would fuck up even more.
And now they have a laundry list to kill because you and Zipped and Turm are all essentially confirmed.
==== DAY 6 VOTES ====
Day Start
melonrabbit (3 votes)
Muffin - #3,399
Sorian - #3,511
Chuggernaut - #3,523
Chuggernaut (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #3,427 #3,563
Aeleus - #3,534
Sorian (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #3,563
Not voting: turmoil7, Zippedpinhead, Ty4on, nin1000
Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 54 Chuggernaut: 39 Sorian: 22 Ty4on: 20 nin1000: 10 Zippedpinhead: 9 Aeleus: 8 Muffin: 7 turmoil7: 7
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Day Start
melonrabbit (3 votes)
Muffin - #3,399
Sorian - #3,511
Chuggernaut - #3,523
Chuggernaut (1 votes)
Aeleus - #3,534
Sorian (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #3,563
Not voting: turmoil7, Zippedpinhead, Ty4on, nin1000
Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 54 Chuggernaut: 39 Sorian: 22 Ty4on: 20 nin1000: 10 Zippedpinhead: 9 Aeleus: 8 Muffin: 7 turmoil7: 7
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melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I did want to but after told what I think and feel I don't really know if I care at this point.
I don't mind being caught as scum. I like being scum.
This is not that and yall (mainly Chuggs) are just making this unfun to play.
I know I'm not lying. I would like to think there's a scenario where both you and I are town since your play has been town core all game.
I think us being the thuderdome is what scum wants now.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Go for Chuggs.
Look whatever
UNVOTE
I don’t think nin is acting today so my urgency is less. I do want the exp but it’s specifically for an end game situation so if I miss out, whatever. I’d rather melon actually solve here instead of just getting stressed at the vote counter
UNVOTE
I don’t think nin is acting today so my urgency is less. I do want the exp but it’s specifically for an end game situation so if I miss out, whatever. I’d rather melon actually solve here instead of just getting stressed at the vote counter
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Do not vote Sorian before Chuggs.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
unvote
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Nope. I did not receive nor see any status effects all game other than what Blarg claimed.
I feel like when the questions are on me, melon, of Chuggs, activity kicks up. When the questions go back to Muffin or Turm, activity dies. That’s not a scum read or a town read, that’s a comment on how annoying this solve is going to be. A lot of the players we have left do not check in that frequently.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah I’m the one making this unfun
Just vote me out for the love of god just get Melon tomorrow
Just vote me out for the love of god just get Melon tomorrow
For me I don't see who muffin's partner would be (and xp maths stops muffin from being the poisoner) and Turm is very likely to have saved Zipped (and also I think xp math means can't be the poisoner but I would need to go back and check)
Looking at vote history flipped scum never once voted chuggs and they were very involved in the D4 geno counter wagon.
Looking at vote history flipped scum never once voted chuggs and they were very involved in the D4 geno counter wagon.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I think this has good insight although some things go over my head.
I think Blarg was poisoned on N2, right?
What confirmed actions were done on N2? That way we could know who ISN'T the poisoner.
Doesn't exp math start breaking down pretty much instantly? I did all that math on the fly the other day in our chat so that's all gone now and I didn't write it elsewhere but didn't all I really gather is that the poison had to be a 4 exp move?
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
I’ll do that
I'm going over this again and there aren't that many spots scum can be.
Zipped and Turm clear each other so unless they are exactly teamed here, that's out.
nin is my green check, I know he is town. And even past that, if he can override, thats also automatically town, scum isn't getting an override.
I have to take this from the top with everyone else just for the sake of clarity.
Chuggs - The only verifiable information we have on chuggs is the tier 2 ability to Natiko. It is a negative ability, remove everything about how the claim was handled and this could easily be a scum role, meant to fuck up people's ability to act in a timely manner. Bringing back in context, he really thought....it was TWE right? was going to receive that first fruit. Is this a great act? Is this scum trying to prove their power using the weakest tier of it on a town's member and there really was RNG that failed? Like on a social level, I don't see it but this is going to close to comfort for me that I can't ignore anything just because of my reads at this point.
Ty - Nothing proves his power and it seems like nothing ever will prove his power? Yesterday was a lot of solving that looks good on his part but honestly, I can't help but think that there was a turn where they thought Alex was savable but then they gave up on it and that moment of giving up does coincide with Ty suddenly going back and doing all of his public homework. I still don't feel good about this spot, mechanically or socially.
Ael - If its not clear, I'm trying to do the opposite of a trustfall here and find reasons to scum read people because I feel like I've given too many people of a pass the last couple days but I'm struggling to find much on Ael. I guess Geno didn't actually know for sure it was a lover chat? So it could have just been presented that way by Ael but correct me if I'm wrong. Not like we can verify with Geno now anyway so it doesn't matter. But honestly, why hard defend Geno like that if he needed to be the mislynch that day anyway, Ael probably would have saved him if Geno had actually cooperated and not rolled over.
melon - This one still goes without saying. Nothing mechanically proves them or their actions either. I appreciate that they want to take their heat off of me but I'm still confused how our roles exist simultaneously. The one thing I'll say is I'm actually half convinced there is some misunderstanding here and either I sam saying my info wrong or they are saying their info wrong.
Muffin - Verifiably makes gossip chats. There is a roundabout way a teammate is doing this and always adding Muffin but that just makes no sense. It would fall apart if the real scum gossip flips first so no, Muffin clearly is just doing it himself. Well I say that but I guess Muffin and Chuggs could just be teamed? Then we only have one gossip shot similar to mine so worth noting if Chuggs is scum. Now if there is a secret second action happening in addition to the gossip chats, that could easily be a scum ability and tbh we are on day 6 now or whatever it is and I couldn't even begin to tell you Muffin's full reads list.
.....Man, I don't even know if I like melon anymore. Today has been such an odd play and the getting mad was definitely real.
Zipped and Turm clear each other so unless they are exactly teamed here, that's out.
nin is my green check, I know he is town. And even past that, if he can override, thats also automatically town, scum isn't getting an override.
I have to take this from the top with everyone else just for the sake of clarity.
Chuggs - The only verifiable information we have on chuggs is the tier 2 ability to Natiko. It is a negative ability, remove everything about how the claim was handled and this could easily be a scum role, meant to fuck up people's ability to act in a timely manner. Bringing back in context, he really thought....it was TWE right? was going to receive that first fruit. Is this a great act? Is this scum trying to prove their power using the weakest tier of it on a town's member and there really was RNG that failed? Like on a social level, I don't see it but this is going to close to comfort for me that I can't ignore anything just because of my reads at this point.
Ty - Nothing proves his power and it seems like nothing ever will prove his power? Yesterday was a lot of solving that looks good on his part but honestly, I can't help but think that there was a turn where they thought Alex was savable but then they gave up on it and that moment of giving up does coincide with Ty suddenly going back and doing all of his public homework. I still don't feel good about this spot, mechanically or socially.
Ael - If its not clear, I'm trying to do the opposite of a trustfall here and find reasons to scum read people because I feel like I've given too many people of a pass the last couple days but I'm struggling to find much on Ael. I guess Geno didn't actually know for sure it was a lover chat? So it could have just been presented that way by Ael but correct me if I'm wrong. Not like we can verify with Geno now anyway so it doesn't matter. But honestly, why hard defend Geno like that if he needed to be the mislynch that day anyway, Ael probably would have saved him if Geno had actually cooperated and not rolled over.
melon - This one still goes without saying. Nothing mechanically proves them or their actions either. I appreciate that they want to take their heat off of me but I'm still confused how our roles exist simultaneously. The one thing I'll say is I'm actually half convinced there is some misunderstanding here and either I sam saying my info wrong or they are saying their info wrong.
Muffin - Verifiably makes gossip chats. There is a roundabout way a teammate is doing this and always adding Muffin but that just makes no sense. It would fall apart if the real scum gossip flips first so no, Muffin clearly is just doing it himself. Well I say that but I guess Muffin and Chuggs could just be teamed? Then we only have one gossip shot similar to mine so worth noting if Chuggs is scum. Now if there is a secret second action happening in addition to the gossip chats, that could easily be a scum ability and tbh we are on day 6 now or whatever it is and I couldn't even begin to tell you Muffin's full reads list.
.....Man, I don't even know if I like melon anymore. Today has been such an odd play and the getting mad was definitely real.
My problem is I do believe it's two scum which means we are 2 v 6 right now. We've had a very good game but that's actually not a lot of days to get this right and my real concern is we are setting up melon into me or me into melon when I'm not even convinced on melon anymore. It's not lost on me that as I watched this fight, two mislynches is really all scum needs to finish this so having this perfect dichotomy between melon and I works perfectly.
I don't ever vote Ael this game, I chose them that day because they were my highest town read from the people that had been voting me and I honestly don't think I'm wrong there.
The rest though, I really don't know. I feel kind of stupid on Chuggs now because it was more a soul read than anything with a lot of basis on how scum would never do all that but I can kind of see the thread now of what the plan might have been and it was actually spoiled by RNG. Then if Chuggs and Ty are teamed then that means Ty knowing about RNG isn't that special anymore. He might have put it into his claim specifically because he knew a teammate had RNG in their role. Muffin is also a decent vote, you'd think with the flipped scum always pushing him, the vote would have gained traction but it never did and it makes me feel like there was never any teeth behind those votes.
I don't ever vote Ael this game, I chose them that day because they were my highest town read from the people that had been voting me and I honestly don't think I'm wrong there.
The rest though, I really don't know. I feel kind of stupid on Chuggs now because it was more a soul read than anything with a lot of basis on how scum would never do all that but I can kind of see the thread now of what the plan might have been and it was actually spoiled by RNG. Then if Chuggs and Ty are teamed then that means Ty knowing about RNG isn't that special anymore. He might have put it into his claim specifically because he knew a teammate had RNG in their role. Muffin is also a decent vote, you'd think with the flipped scum always pushing him, the vote would have gained traction but it never did and it makes me feel like there was never any teeth behind those votes.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Im still alive because of Turm. Plain and simple.
my role isn’t actually cop, I just had that one alignment check. I have been assuming for the last two nights that I was going to wake up dead on the the next day phase.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
T1:
- alignment check (Febe)
- tracker (Fran)
- weak hider (Sorian)
T2:
- alignment check(Zipped)
- watcher(Fran)
- tracker(Melon)
On T1 there is a repeat of alignment checks(Febe and Sorian) and on T2 there is a repeat of motion detectors(Fran and Melon)... This gives me the crazy idea that both of them may be town?
- alignment check (Febe)
- tracker (Fran)
- weak hider (Sorian)
T2:
- alignment check(Zipped)
- watcher(Fran)
- tracker(Melon)
On T1 there is a repeat of alignment checks(Febe and Sorian) and on T2 there is a repeat of motion detectors(Fran and Melon)... This gives me the crazy idea that both of them may be town?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Flip me first if you’re unsure about Muffin.
His reads were pretty similar to mine just from our gossip chat. He didn’t like Melon. Didn’t care much for Ty, but I kind of sold him on Melon over him. Seemed to think it could be Turms but didn’t think it was likely.
I get the skepticism here but just seeing the scum roles we have I can’t for the life of me figure out why they would have a multi shot gossip
His reads were pretty similar to mine just from our gossip chat. He didn’t like Melon. Didn’t care much for Ty, but I kind of sold him on Melon over him. Seemed to think it could be Turms but didn’t think it was likely.
I get the skepticism here but just seeing the scum roles we have I can’t for the life of me figure out why they would have a multi shot gossip
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
I think scum is in the melon/chuggs/Sorian ball.
if muffin or Turm are scum then I think I cause us to lose the game because I am interested voting there (especially since scum tried to throw direct shade at Turms save. If that wasn’t what happened it was a serious WIFOM moment)
Nothing Nin has done in game has given me scum vibes (so the green check makes sense, but also doesn’t let the checker off the hook)
I also just get good vibes from Ael, and do not think that they are scum.
I am ok voting chuggs then looking at melon/Sorian again. I am also ok with any of those three going first and then coin flipping the next one.
I will say this. Scum you better hope I don’t hit tonight…. Because I’m solving this game one way or another tonight with my 8 exp…
if muffin or Turm are scum then I think I cause us to lose the game because I am interested voting there (especially since scum tried to throw direct shade at Turms save. If that wasn’t what happened it was a serious WIFOM moment)
Nothing Nin has done in game has given me scum vibes (so the green check makes sense, but also doesn’t let the checker off the hook)
I also just get good vibes from Ael, and do not think that they are scum.
I am ok voting chuggs then looking at melon/Sorian again. I am also ok with any of those three going first and then coin flipping the next one.
I will say this. Scum you better hope I don’t hit tonight…. Because I’m solving this game one way or another tonight with my 8 exp…
If you are town and he definitely gossiped you, the stipulation here could be easy, you gossip AND role check the person, you gossip AND roleblock the person, etc. etc. The public part of the ability provides the cover for the secret part. Honestly, I'm writing this and and seeing Turm's post, that could be the reason for all the tracking. Like yes, tracking someone to a dead body is great but Muffin should never be on a track/watch as a gossip but if he had a second ability that was also hitting the person then he would show on these reports. Maybe that's the reason for the extra tracks/watches
What is actually stopping Muffin from being scum here? I agree with the rest of this but Muffin isn't actually cleared up in any way once I take time to actually examine him and the play so far.
Double quote, how does Ty line up in here as well?
I hate this game, now all I can see is what if Muffin was confused on the day/night use of his ability because he has typically night related actions tied to his gossip command which had to be submitted during the day and I can't get that invasive thought out of my head.