RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI
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Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I was expecting Sorian to come into the day getting the same I was earlier where people just place the blame on him for a town flip like they have no agency here so I wouldn't be shocked if that's town who thought this was a good play, but I don't think this is a good play lol.
I feel like people kind of look past this, but Sorian isn't exactly some A+ solver. Like not even throwing shade here, I've just seen him make mistakes a lot as town and I think he really thought he had something with Ty.
Sorian is the one claiming a green check on nin so the play here is flip him between the two no matter what, but I'm just salty because I feel like this is a day where we're now forced to flip town. Like might as well turbo and get it over with once people check in
I feel like people kind of look past this, but Sorian isn't exactly some A+ solver. Like not even throwing shade here, I've just seen him make mistakes a lot as town and I think he really thought he had something with Ty.
Sorian is the one claiming a green check on nin so the play here is flip him between the two no matter what, but I'm just salty because I feel like this is a day where we're now forced to flip town. Like might as well turbo and get it over with once people check in
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah so in that case would make sense for it to be nin. I can't imagine Sorian is out here putting himself in a dome with a green check
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
@Zippedpinhead also hey not saying this to be rude, and I'm not saying you have to be here throwing down posts like I am, but could you try to be a bit more present if you don't mind? Like there's a lot of points and arguments being thrown around and trying to catch you up on that in the last 5 minutes of the day is just not something that's going to be realistic and just makes things hectic
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
it’s me
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah okay that makes sense
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
What is this damage control for Sorian for no reason? I don't blame him alone for that lynch, but really, who looks the most suspicious after that one out of the legit options we have?
To me, neither nin or Zipped, but melon and Sorian. I might be included on other peoples list as well.
If somehow nin is scum with melon or Turm or some shit, then I'm sorry to Sorian, but we all walked ourselves into that nin town read then.
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
Was that a tier you didn't claim yet?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Honestly would still vote Turms here, but also any defending of Sorian I have here doesn't actually matter at this point. We are not killing nin over him ever.
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
yeah the T3 ability
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I'm guessing this is what the override actually was lol
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
Was that the one the others were theorizing to be an override?
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
Why did you pick Sorian, out of curiosity?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
nin
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Sorian did you get the damn ass fruit
Well I'm still alive:
1) @Chuggernaut what am I supposed to gather from this, tell me what your tier 3 power is supposed to be.
2)
In what world would I be killed before the universally townread person who could potentially be worth a double kill if they decided to use their ability. Past that, what the fuck is even this kill, why not nin or Zipped?
1) @Chuggernaut what am I supposed to gather from this, tell me what your tier 3 power is supposed to be.
2)
In what world would I be killed before the universally townread person who could potentially be worth a double kill if they decided to use their ability. Past that, what the fuck is even this kill, why not nin or Zipped?
I got a PM, yes but it's not what I was expecting but sure it's a fruit, tell me what your tier 3 ability is.
Also sorry, I read the instructions in the opening rules wrong, I don't do this often
VOTE: NO VOTE
Now @Hedin do I go to jail?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Odds on it are 50% chance of a discount on the next ability, 40% of it being a fruit, 10% chance of not sending. Guessing it did nothing?
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
==== DAY 7 VOTES ====
Day Start
Sorian (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #3,902
No vote (1 votes)
Sorian - #3,924
Not voting: Muffin, Zippedpinhead, Chuggernaut, melonrabbit, nin1000
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Muffin: 12 Chuggernaut: 12 Sorian: 6 nin1000: 2 turmoil7: 2
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Day Start
Sorian (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #3,902
No vote (1 votes)
Sorian - #3,924
Not voting: Muffin, Zippedpinhead, Chuggernaut, melonrabbit, nin1000
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Muffin: 12 Chuggernaut: 12 Sorian: 6 nin1000: 2 turmoil7: 2
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Like I see the PM so I know you aren't lying but why the fuck is your tier 3 still worthless RNG (I ask you as if you designed it). Yes, I got "a very delicious banana" then Hedin was an ass and asked if I wanted to eat it and I said yes because why not, and then he made me wait forever (this was back at action lock) until he finally came back and said that I enjoyed my banana and it was delicious with a follow up message to reiterate that it did nothing, it was just a fruit.
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
A greencheck doesnt help town that much in endgame when too many people are not good at solving, it can get disregarded in bad pamic theories quickly. If i'm on a scum team, for how suspicious you tend to be sometimes, you are also too good at the game to leave alive too long. That's just my stance on it.
Regardless from that, I can't be sure you're scum but it is pointless to worry about at this point. The only question is whether we think you or nin is likelier.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
YES DUDE THIS PR SUCKS ASS MAN
This makes no sense, if anything bad solvers would use the green check as a crutch more and would automatically lock into the non-checked poe. And that's not even talking about what my track record is usually like at mylo/lylo.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I don't think it actually mattered because most everyone would have their tier 3 at this point anyway but jesus christ
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
Disagree, that simple
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
What do you think nin should have done?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Oh no I'm talking about my fruit sorry
A part of me actually wants to take this chance to exit the game because some of this shit has been too weird but I hate when people quit as dejected town so I'm still going to play out today. I guess this is as good a time as any to do this. I was going to just die or finish the game sitting on this but I guess this is the one and only world where this becomes pertinent information. The day that I claimed the hider check someone was pushing me hard, Zipped maybe, about me saying it was an alignment check instead of a hider at first and I said that I didn't want to deal with the drama because a hider check has one key downside vs. an alignment check that I didn't want to entertain. I was kind of shocked that no one pressed me on that comment further so I was ready to just let it go until end game but since I maybe have to defend myself against nin specifically. There is one world where he isn't town here. Hider's are not notified of their target's alignment obviously which leads to the key point, I have no way of knowing when I am roleblocked if I hide. Let me make this extremely clear:
I DO NOT THINK THIS HAPPENED, THE ODDS ARE SO SLIM AND I WOULD RATHER NOT VOTE OUT EITHER OF US
but technically, if I was roleblocked night 2, it throws the green check out the window. If town roleblocked me, someone would have said something by now. Which just leaves, do we think scum specifically roleblocked me on exactly night 2? I do not think so personally, just because it's such a specific world that I'd rather just assume my power went off but I guess we have to play with this consideration in mind today.
My big fucking issue here is my tier 3 might actually be really helpful if this game goes to mylo/lylo.
I find this line of logic really fucking weird and when I'm dead after today I really need someone to really think about these two comments because you don't get to just say a comment that is the equivalent of saying "the sky is green" and then shrug me pointing it out off with "disagree"
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah I would appreciate you trying to solve if you're town. I am honestly so sure on nin being town just coupled with the role and his play that I almost don't even need the check, but I'll consider this in as a possibility.
Honestly at this point you should just claim what the tier 3 is. Even with it I don't think you make it through this, but I would at least like to think about the option
@Zippedpinhead can you help at all? You said you had scum dead to rights today, was that actually a thing?
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
Whether bad solvers being more prone to throw away green checks based on suspicion or more prone to just leave it be and ride the game out comfortably is entirely a judgment based on opinion and experience, so miss me with this "not factual" stuff. Only gets an eyeroll from me. The rest can suspect me if i make another wrong decision here today on their own, they do not need... whatever this is.
I'm not, maybe that makes me look worse but if I'm scum here I just tell you the claim and hope for the best, there's obviously a real claim because Ael knew what it was and referred to knowing it so it's not like I'm doing smoke and mirrors here because I couldn't come up with a fake claim or something. It's just pointless to claim it, if I die here, you see it on the flip, if I live, scum still doesn't know what the ability is and they can't try to fuck up the result. The play here is no lynch, like I'm not actually going to try and convince any of you to vote out nin instead of me unless Hedin really wants to disallow no vote today. If he does do that then my only real appeal is do you think the concern of me being scum is worth more than still having my PR available for use since nin doesn't have that anymore because we are both just town here. That's it.
I will say, I'm really glad we didn't no vote yesterday. I figured out the math correctly after day end, so it wasn't actually a choice but it's these types of things why I say it's always better to wait until you think you are in mylo.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Look I still think you're town. Full stop, I think scum just clams up in this situation and that's not what you're doing. I do think this is going to be a hard sell for most people in the game though.
Where are you at right now? Because at this point I'm decently confident on Turms, but I'm really struggling to see scum Muffin and Melon at this point and that's making this hard
No jail but also won't count. You and nin are the only viable things that can be voted on.
Also a general heads up for all, I'm out shopping with the wife so anything directed my way the next few hours may take a minute
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah kind of had a feeling it was going that way
Today is just town eating each other and I can’t imagine scum knew this would be the outcome since we were all expecting an override so that reaction from Muffin stands out to me. The only reason you ever casually drop that you think I would have died over night before Aeleus in this game is because you realized you had to change your narrative to the two thunder dome players because that is an insane take. I’m literally going to be one bad vote away from being a mislynch for the rest of this game, there is never a time where I am a night kill in this game.
My poe is no nin or Zipped.
You are doing garbage fruit things and that’s two confirmations now so I don’t see where the scum is in the role.
Melon is just town. Like the whole role PM baiting thing sucks as a way to solve that but it’s clear that they were reading a role PM while trying to answer those questions and im pretty sure I get now what their role says vs what mine says.
So it’s either one of or both Turm and Muffin. That’s just it. Turm still has me with the whole possible protect thing so I personally go Muffin first, especially after whatever that was today but I still read two scum for the numbers in this game so it has to be both of them.
Yeah, that’s that then. As policy
VOTE: nin
This is just town vs town. Your only real choices are do you just have nin leave since his powers are spent and I still have a way to solve closer to end game mechanically or do you have me leave because nothing is mechanically clearing me and to feed general paranoia.
VOTE: nin
This is just town vs town. Your only real choices are do you just have nin leave since his powers are spent and I still have a way to solve closer to end game mechanically or do you have me leave because nothing is mechanically clearing me and to feed general paranoia.
I do love a good rule bending though. What happens if the day ends and the candidates are tied or there are just 0 votes overall?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I'd much rather go Turms first if it's between those two. Just feels like it's the safer option.
I'm going to be real, I'm starting to consider the one scum world more because trying to find a pair with the players left is kind of breaking my brain. Like I agree I think it would have to be Muffin there, but I still don't really think it's Muffin. I kind of read that day start as the opposite to you there.
I'm going to be real, I'm starting to consider the one scum world more because trying to find a pair with the players left is kind of breaking my brain. Like I agree I think it would have to be Muffin there, but I still don't really think it's Muffin. I kind of read that day start as the opposite to you there.
Who kills Aeleus here though? I get not killing nin, that looked like a slam dunk since he was just going to come into the day and override me so why kill him when you can use him but Zipped is still right there and whether you believed anything he said yesterday about his PR or not, you jjst kill the confirmed cop at this point. There’s no reason not to and he has a much lower chance of being a mislynch than Aeleus
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
==== DAY 7 VOTES ====
Day Start
nin1000 (1 votes)
Sorian - #3,948
Sorian (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #3,902
No vote (0 votes)
Sorian - #3,924 #3,948
Not voting: Muffin, Zippedpinhead, Chuggernaut, melonrabbit, nin1000
Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 19 Muffin: 18 Sorian: 18 nin1000: 2 turmoil7: 2
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Day Start
nin1000 (1 votes)
Sorian - #3,948
Sorian (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #3,902
No vote (0 votes)
Not voting: Muffin, Zippedpinhead, Chuggernaut, melonrabbit, nin1000
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Chuggernaut: 19 Muffin: 18 Sorian: 18 nin1000: 2 turmoil7: 2
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Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Oh I actually expected that. I'm still thinking chances here are scum have Zipped role copped and know what he is at this point. So you only really need to worry about him socially and he's not doing all that much. Ael was doing much more in the way of solving and I don't think we go Ael anytime soon either. So it's really between two people here especially because I'm betting scum wanted nin to use his PR.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
It's okay I'm sure we'll get a save from our doctor that's still hanging around in final 7
I guess? Idk I just can’t imagine leaving a verified cop just sitting there. It comes to a point where it doesn’t matter if he’s not doing a lot. He’s still someone verified taking up a living spot and that doesn’t win scum the game in lylo. I mean I guess Zipped is stuck on me in the same way nin is though so in that way, keeping these people around until I’m gone is maybe the better play but you run out of runway soon if you keep kicking the kill on them down the road.
It was mostly a fast skim and I know trying to guess at night kill motivations isn’t always the best but based on how yesterday played out, I guess Turm does actually benefit the most from Aeleus not being here? They were the one who seemed to believe the scum Turm theory the most and the other two better night kills imo are just so focused on wanting to vote out town that Ael does become appealing
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Really Ael?
Ael?
Ael?
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Ael? Scum you NK’d Ael?
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Well. With that I fall into an interesting conundrum.
scum should have killed me. Three times now.
night after I used my power (that’s the first night I expected to die). Two nights ago (when I was practically pleading to be a gossip chat) and then yesterday when I got to 8 exp and could use both of my remaining tiers.
Maybe not baiting a scum NK but surely I could poisoned or something. I mean my role plain says there are status effects and we have seen 1
scum should have killed me. Three times now.
night after I used my power (that’s the first night I expected to die). Two nights ago (when I was practically pleading to be a gossip chat) and then yesterday when I got to 8 exp and could use both of my remaining tiers.
Maybe not baiting a scum NK but surely I could poisoned or something. I mean my role plain says there are status effects and we have seen 1
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Not what I expected.
Nin, I said Chuggs :(
Nin, I said Chuggs :(
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
The fruit does nothing?
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Ael is such a strange choice.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I don't think this true? I thought he just showed us the double vote but didn't use it or does entering the command count as it being used used even if the vote didn't stick?
In case of a tie then no one is eliminated as is the community standard. Any other method of resolving a tie would have been mentioned in the game specific rules.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Why? That doesn't make any sense. That would be a wasted Night Kill tor scum. After Ty4on's flip Sorian was absolutely on the table today.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Very interesting.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I'd rather keep both Sorian and Nin.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Muffin's gotta go.
As the last gossip standing.
As the last gossip standing.
Does your role say specific status effects? Were you the one asking about like petrify and soft yesterday or was that someone else? I feel like if there was more poison or more than just poison, it would have been out there already.
It did nothing. So wait @Chuggernaut does that mean Natiko's did nothing too? I know he wasn't a normal role but I feel like he only said he got a rotton fruit or something and not that it would affect him. Was tier 2 also an RNG shot?
I still kind of think so too but now that I've sat on it a bit, I see the reason. It makes my mislynch easier, it makes your mislynch easier, Chuggs is probably just town and it makes his easier too. Ael was the most likely to think outside the box, nin is hardline and is just going to follow the poe he posted and if there's no scum in that poe then he is great to keep in the game. Zipped is a little more unknown but Zipped never goes for turm and I think Zipped never goes Muffin either from what I've gathered.
The move here is to force a tie. I think all three options here are a "mislynch" because no vote gives that result as well unless scum somehow misses a kill but if we choose no vote via tie we still keep two town votes in play. Even if I think nin's votes might hurt more than help, we at least know it's a pure vote and even I saw him crack for a second yesterday and realize that something might be wrong with just chasing his poe (even if he did turn around and put us into this situation). We gain nothing from removing one of us if this option is on the table.
My question to Chuggs came out making less sense than I wanted to. I know functionally, the fruit to Natiko could not do anything but from memory I feel like he just said he got flavor and no mechanical explanation for the fruit which was what confused me about my PM. I'm asking this more as a curiosity because I want to know if you're role really sucks as much as I think it does and literally every tier was RNG.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
They're all RNG. I think Nat's did have the negative effect just based on what he implied but it effectively did nothing still because his PR doesn't use XP like that
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
It does indeed suck as much as you think it does
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Like MY BEST ability that I have to pay 6 XP for only had a 50% chance of actually working and it's not even all that good are game changing I seriously don't understand this fucking role man
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
And that's what you sent to Sorian and it did nothing???
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yes. Just a fruit
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
If ppl are mean to you does something more happen? Like are you Caps Egg counter??
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Do you know what your fruits gonna do if it sends?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Tier 1 and 3 would give you a discount on XP on your next ability if they worked. Tier 2 makes the next one more expensive
And no, nothing about being mean or whatever the fuck that was about. This is the whole ass role. RNG fruit vendor with some middling ass effects that have a decent chance of not working and also an off chance it just literally does nothing and doesn't send
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Hmm.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Think melon think
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Melon - only good kind of fruit
Nin - good
Sorian - (probably) good
Scum pool:
Chuggs
Zipped
Turm
Muffin
What confirms Zipped again?
Nin - good
Sorian - (probably) good
Scum pool:
Chuggs
Zipped
Turm
Muffin
What confirms Zipped again?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
The cop check he had on scum
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
And what Tier was the cop check?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I know you're not asking me, but not really, but also Malus wasn't exactly in a bad spot when he blew his spot so I don't really think it's a scum move
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I do want to know what the rest of that PR is at this point though, yeah
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
But I could see a team of Malus, Wiz, Alex and Zipped thinking that'd it be fun.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
And I remember a game I was in where this exact thing happened. Scum killed themselves and coasted to the end with all of town saying scum would never until the bitter end.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
As the first scum flip though? There's just too many unknowns for a scum team at that point and it's just blowing someones spot for no reason. I just can't see it. Malus also doesn't read as expecting that cop check at all.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Because if I'm scum and I had a mysterious townfolk with at least a lower tier cop shot. Who would never ever been questioned as town. Why is Zipped alive long enough to get his Tier 3?
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
This reason is to get Zipped into this position.
I'm gonna try really hard to remember what game this happened in before.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
My theory is role cop which is what I think is what Turms actually did when he said hi to him
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Saying something could never happen kinda defeats the purpose of the game.
Like eventually yall gotta let go of meta and think outside the box.
Like eventually yall gotta let go of meta and think outside the box.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I miss Ael :(
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I don't think there's anything wrong with considering it just to be clear. I've kind of tossed this around in my mind too and I do think Zipped is in the same pool as Turms is in that he's not solving at all, but honestly that's not too out there for Zipped. I just really struggle seeing it here. It feels like it's way too risky of a play that has way too much risk of backfiring
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I mean it can happen. I've seen weird shit happen in these games before, but It requires scum to be putting themselves on hard mode. Most of the real wacky plays usually happen when scums in a rough spot and they just weren't at a point where they should have been desperate enough to try that there
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Assuming he is scum rn. How and when is going to start backfiring for him?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Also if Malus knew he was getting red checked I would have expected much better then that wack fake claim he came up with
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I'm gonna find this game I remember. Because they just did it for the lol for iirc.
But I'll prolly have dinner first.