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melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Well. With that I fall into an interesting conundrum.

scum should have killed me. Three times now.

night after I used my power (that’s the first night I expected to die). Two nights ago (when I was practically pleading to be a gossip chat) and then yesterday when I got to 8 exp and could use both of my remaining tiers.

Maybe not baiting a scum NK but surely I could poisoned or something. I mean my role plain says there are status effects and we have seen 1
Um, Zipped?

Here you say you have 2 remaining tiers but you also said you've used 2 abilities. So which it is. Second, why would you bait poison and a gossip chat if Ael could make you lovers? And you both could potentially die?
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I'm going to sleep, I'll be honest this is now giving me a little headache because Zipped somehow just threw off everything I thought because now both you, Zipped, and Turm have roles that don't follow the pattern of everyone else. You are the one person who has the same ability on multiple tiers but with an upgrade but then a third tier completely unreleated. Everyone else is either all three different or all three the same with upgrades.
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
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Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
@Muffin are you holding the last gossip chat or did you invite peep yesterday?
I have 6 XP now with day start, I don't have it yet
What narrator one?
I think it was TWE who could change the day end or day start messages or something?
Have you just given up scum reading me?

Yesterday you were out for blood.
Nobody else even wants to try to go for it, so what's the point. For some reason you're weirdly town read, when you're null at best to me if I agreed fully with why the others say you ain't scum
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Are you speaking to me or Zipped?
I was tired so my punctuation was bad, that was just about Zipped and Turm, the you and then zipped was supposed to be letting everyone know that Zipped was the you I was referring to.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Nin buddy I get that leaving everyone on the table is kind of your schtick but what on earth do you need to start believing people are town because that list is kind of nonsense
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I tried to work out the new stuff we got and I’m still just landing on everyone appears like they’re interested in solving except for Turmoil and I really just want that flip still. I’m just really struggling to see town here
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
I tried to work out the new stuff we got and I’m still just landing on everyone appears like they’re interested in solving except for Turmoil and I really just want that flip still. I’m just really struggling to see town here

why is zipped alive brother. Tell me that.
don’t say luck
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
why is zipped alive brother. Tell me that.
don’t say luck

Why is Turmoil alive? If Zipped is scum he could have claimed anything he wanted there and probably wouldn’t have raised any eyebrows and would have added some weight to my role cop theory. Instead he claimed some doctor shots and came out pushing Melon of all people. This is town
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
Why is Turmoil alive? If Zipped is scum he could have claimed anything he wanted there and probably wouldn’t have raised any eyebrows and would have added some weight to my role cop theory. Instead he claimed some doctor shots and came out pushing Melon of all people. This is town

You think that is town.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
The only reason I course think of why Zipped is alive and not scum is because scum thinks Zipped townreads them securely and that somehow outweighs the rest, like the check and the role. Risky, if so.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Like the only way a scum Zipped makes sense is if he’s teamed with Turmoil and even then the play here would be to bus instead of defend and then coast to endgame. Scum can do some wacky shit and they aren’t going to be perfect, but they’re still going to play in a way that makes sense. You should run through what the hell you think someone is trying to do to make it to their wincon before you land on a scum read there
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
nin, none of this is scum. Zipped being alive isn’t some amazing gotcha that you think it is. I still think it’s really clear that both you and him were kept alive because both of your reads are helping the scum team. If you try to force through that chain of lunches you want, this is guaranteed a loss.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Also nin, please vote for me now. There’s no reason why your vote shouldn’t be on me currently.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Let's say for a second both nin and Sorian are town and we'll get a town flip today.

What speaks against the scum team just being Turm and melon?
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
nin, none of this is scum. Zipped being alive isn’t some amazing gotcha that you think it is. I still think it’s really clear that both you and him were kept alive because both of your reads are helping the scum team. If you try to force through that chain of lunches you want, this is guaranteed a loss.

dude, I’m not making this out to be this huge gotcha, thinking out loud and making sense in my head. Sorry but I can’t behind most of your ideas and that’s okay.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
what are you seeing. I don’t want to use my T4 on you just now.

I know you don’t. I’m not worried about you trying to kill me. But scum Zipped just makes no sense in my mind, and I don’t think that’s the play. What are your thoughts on Turmoil
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
what are you seeing. I don’t want to use my T4 on you just now.
lmao, I can’t with you sometimes
Let's say for a second both nin and Sorian are town and we'll get a town flip today.

What speaks against the scum team just being Turm and melon?
Nothing aside from I just don’t believe melon is scum. Socially, they just don’t read as paired up with anyone or as having been in any type of communication with Wiz and them. That and the role interaction with me just tells me they are my alignment.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Yeah getting to Melon from Turms would be a struggle to me and I just don’t really see it. Like there’s nothing clearing as a pair there, but I just don’t really think Melon feels like they’re scum at all
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
lmao, I can’t with you sometimes

Nothing aside from I just don’t believe melon is scum. Socially, they just don’t read as paired up with anyone or as having been in any type of communication with Wiz and them. That and the role interaction with me just tells me they are my alignment.
It's not a particularly strong reason in my opinion, honestly. Especially with a bigger, 5 person team, cohesion can be fairly loose. Turm isn't around much to begin with.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I just don’t really think Melon feels like they’re scum at all
Does melon not feel like scum because you've seen scum melon and they play different, or just in general? Because just in general might just be the way scum melon rolls.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Also Chuggs if in some weird fucking way you turn out to be scum, I'm gonna feel so betrayed. Like I got sneeks'ed.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Does melon not feel like scum because you've seen scum melon and they play different, or just in general? Because just in general might just be the way scum melon rolls.

I think I’ve seen scum Melon once and I don’t really remember it tbh. And yeah I think they could get up to some wacky shit as scum and I wouldn’t put it past them from a play style wise, but like…look I don’t think scum Melon gets that bent out of shape by the suggestion of them throwing the game for town. The appeal to emotion worked for me. It is what it is. I like that you’re thinking about this because if you’re town I think this is the world you should be considering, but I just really struggle to see it.

Look just looking at the game I still think we have a decent chance of the game just ending after a Turms flip, and if I’m wrong about Melon and that ends up being last scum I wish you luck in final 3
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Ok if I am scum why did I vote for Alex(forfeiting his extra kill) instead of your town read Sorian?
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Also Chuggs entertaining the 4 members scum team is scummy. Looks to me as if he wants town to lower their guard
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Ok if I am scum why did I vote for Alex(forfeiting his extra kill) instead of your town read Sorian?
Idk, if I am scum why did I vote for Alex (forfeiting his extra kill)? This defense doesn’t hit when you are voting for me.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
We have one player in the game alive right now that wasn't on Alex and you aren't out here arguing we should be killing Muffin
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Idk, if I am scum why did I vote for Alex (forfeiting his extra kill)? This defense doesn’t hit when you are voting for me.
I had been scum reading you for days, it would had been easier for me to vote for you. I voted for Alex because his claim and play made less sense to me than yours(mainly not using his roleblock). You voted for him because he was bussing you and you couldn't just ignore it.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
A bus would insinuate that I was in any trouble that day. He started panicking at Wiz dying and was trying to find his one way out which was voting for me. Like it’s clear that he was hoping I would gain more traction and I never did.
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
Let's say for a second both nin and Sorian are town and we'll get a town flip today.

What speaks against the scum team just being Turm and melon?

nothing ofc. I’m my eyes melon and turm could be scum aswell as you. Nothing is hinting at the opposite though
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Look just looking at the game I still think we have a decent chance of the game just ending after a Turms flip, and if I’m wrong about Melon and that ends up being last scum I wish you luck in final 3
Bruh if I lose a game in the last day again I'm gonna lose it
 
Um, Zipped?

Here you say you have 2 remaining tiers but you also said you've used 2 abilities. So which it is. Second, why would you bait poison and a gossip chat if Ael could make you lovers? And you both could potentially die?
Until I full claimed I was going to act like I had both my moves, but yes I used my tier 3 and tier 2.

the idea behind baiting a gossip that night was explicitly to use my unmissable heal so that neither would die.

I was assuming scum would directly target myself instead of Ael (in case Ael had some sort of unmentioned ability that made the lovers one sided)

of course scum didn’t do any of that.
 
nin, none of this is scum. Zipped being alive isn’t some amazing gotcha that you think it is. I still think it’s really clear that both you and him were kept alive because both of your reads are helping the scum team. If you try to force through that chain of lunches you want, this is guaranteed a loss.
If both of my main reads are helping scum, then looking at who I was saying top town was nin and Turm.

This is a lot to process.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Well of those two only Nin I can vote for today and Turm voted for the opposite.

vote: Nin1000
I would still rather force a tie, I don’t think nin is actually scum here either and if we are both town, the slightly more optimal move is to tie and get a no vote that way
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Imma be honest I do see the no vote option, but you're gonna have a hard time convincing me to not just use the situation at hand and just choose Sorian to rule out that he's fucking with us. I am scumreading him less now than earlier, but still. I dunno man. I don't know if I can justify that.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
On the other hand if Sorian is town we're cutting it very close, assuming a normal NK (likely Zipped) we're left with 3 town and 2 scum.

Depending on scum powers that may be a losing game.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Imma be honest I do see the no vote option, but you're gonna have a hard time convincing me to not just use the situation at hand and just choose Sorian to rule out that he's fucking with us. I am scumreading him less now than earlier, but still. I dunno man. I don't know if I can justify that.

Why is loss of the whole game a hard convince for you?
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Until I full claimed I was going to act like I had both my moves, but yes I used my tier 3 and tier 2.

the idea behind baiting a gossip that night was explicitly to use my unmissable heal so that neither would die.

I was assuming scum would directly target myself instead of Ael (in case Ael had some sort of unmentioned ability that made the lovers one sided)

of course scum didn’t do any of that.

All of this is so out there. It does not make any sense. Idk
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Melon at least I'm out here considering different scenarios. If your idea of solving is to be 100% convinced someone is town when you can't realistically be sure, that's on you, but don't pretend the rest of us is losing the game because we refuse to do the same.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Melon at least I'm out here considering different scenarios. If your idea of solving is to be 100% convinced someone is town when you can't realistically be sure, that's on you, but don't pretend the rest of us is losing the game because we refuse to do the same.

I just brought of the Zipped angle which is why we are here
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
On the other hand if Sorian is town we're cutting it very close, assuming a normal NK (likely Zipped) we're left with 3 town and 2 scum.

Depending on scum powers that may be a losing game.
The issue is that I really think you need to be reasonably sure that I'm scum to use today to vote me out. Zipped says he still has his T1 heal. That means there is still a chance of blocking a scum night kill. If we no vote today and Zipped actually stops a kill then we don't lose a day here. If we vote out nin or me then the heal does not matter, we always lose a day regardless. Without mechanics, it's worth having as many town votes available as possible but with the new information from Zipped, I don't see how we do anything else unless we are actually voting what we think is scum here.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
How about you ask a good question instead? Your answer is in what you quoted.

Why do you get so hostile all the time? If you really think Sorian messing with you could vote for him tomorrow. But rn it really feels town v town and I don't see a benefit for either Sorian or Nin to be out at this junction.

Also If I was scum idk why I would push for a tie.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I just brought of the Zipped angle which is why we are here
Your Zipped angle is "this doesn't make sense to me" and not much else. What doesn't make sense exactly? And your angle for me is shading me because for some reason you think Sorian is assuredly town.

Shading Zipped right now as setup for later and for some reason having a lot of confidence in Sorians townness is something I would expect from a scum player.

That's my read on this.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Why do you get so hostile all the time? If you really think Sorian messing with you could vote for him tomorrow. But rn it really feels town v town and I don't see a benefit for either Sorian or Nin to be out at this junction.

Also If I was scum idk why I would push for a tie.
You'd push for a tie for town cred. Enough people townread you already but could be convinced otherwise in a smaller round later, and you want to prevent that, is a possibility.

And I won't get hostile if you don't make cheap shots that don't even make sense.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Your Zipped angle is "this doesn't make sense to me" and not much else. What doesn't make sense exactly? And your angle for me is shading me because for some reason you think Sorian is assuredly town.

Did you only read the current page lol
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
The issue is that I really think you need to be reasonably sure that I'm scum to use today to vote me out. Zipped says he still has his T1 heal. That means there is still a chance of blocking a scum night kill. If we no vote today and Zipped actually stops a kill then we don't lose a day here. If we vote out nin or me then the heal does not matter, we always lose a day regardless. Without mechanics, it's worth having as many town votes available as possible but with the new information from Zipped, I don't see how we do anything else unless we are actually voting what we think is scum here.
I'll take this in consideration. I'll have to think about it for a while and reread you a bit.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Did you only read the current page lol
Your big gotcha was that Zippeds remaining and used powers were supposedly inconsistent. Zipped provided an answer. What does not make sense to you about the answer specifically? Also, do you think Zipped is more likely scum over Sorian right now?
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
You'd push for a tie for town cred. Enough people townread you already but could be convinced otherwise in a smaller round later, and you want to prevent that, is a possibility.

And I won't get hostile if you don't make cheap shots that don't even make sense.

I asked a question. It was not a cheap shot. You are the one that wanted to be convinced or something.

But this just going to go in circles bc your stubbornness seems to get in the way of you hearing other pp and thinking everything is an attack and there no point in engaging with you.

Do as you wish.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I asked a question. It was not a cheap shot. You are the one that wanted to be convinced or something.

But this just going to go in circles bc your stubbornness seems to get in the way of you hearing other pp and thinking everything is an attack and there no point in engaging with you.

Do as you wish.
Asking someone if they want to do something that will 100% lose the game when you have no basis for that besides your own confidence is absolutely nonsense and not you legit trying to ask me a question.

And now you're using this angle of being misunderstood to avoid the discussion instead.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Hey Chuggs, why is the loss of the game not enough reason for you to vote Sorian instead of no voting?

See how that sounds? Nonsense.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Your big gotcha was that Zippeds remaining and used powers were supposedly inconsistent. Zipped provided an answer. What does not make sense to you about the answer specifically? Also, do you think Zipped is more likely scum over Sorian right now?

That's still this page but okay.

I've already explained his explanation is out of sequence. But in the end that's what makes him feel town-y.

I don't think either Sorian or Zipped are scum at this point.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Hey Chuggs, why is the loss of the game not enough reason for you to vote Sorian instead of no voting?

See how that sounds? Nonsense.

Why is voting out town today when we dont need to nonsense ?

That is a hard question. Idk. Let me think of that for a while.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Also sorry if it feels like I'm pushing you a lot but virtually nobody else is even willing to consider doing it and I need info if I get into the last day
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
@Muffin I cannot quote that post and I know you’re not seriously asking me but I’ve actually been going back and forth on this a lot lol. I’m currently leaning toward going for the tie here and that’s probably where I’ll land, but I do get your point and there’s a voice in the back of my mind that’s going “yeah but what if we flip Sorian just in case”

Anyway I think both points are valid here is all I’m trying to say
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
@Muffin I cannot quote that post and I know you’re not seriously asking me but I’ve actually been going back and forth on this a lot lol. I’m currently leaning toward going for the tie here and that’s probably where I’ll land, but I do get your point and there’s a voice in the back of my mind that’s going “yeah but what if we flip Sorian just in case”

Anyway I think both points are valid here is all I’m trying to say
Going back and forth on it is what I would expect from a solving perspective. There's pros and cons here and uncertainties. Hence this latest townread of Sorian by melon prompted me to not let it go. It's just weird to me.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
UNVOTE

I swear, you should be voting me and I should be voting you nin, then neither of us can fuck up the tie unless we plan to kill ourself. Then it’s just up to everyone else to actually create the tie.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Man I feel like I have super paranoia right now going through these old days of votes through the lens of scum Sorian with turms in a team and looking at voting habits.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
What does everyone got to say about Sorians tie suggestion? I'm warming up to it tbh
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
What does everyone got to say about Sorians tie suggestion? I'm warming up to it tbh

I mentioned I was leaning for it and yeah I think that's the play. Might be something that we get clowned on post game for, but I'm alright with Zipped trying for a save here and having more town voice tomorrow
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I do kinda feel like making a bad choice now and only finding out later is preferable to making a bad choice now and getting the result immediately
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Wow, I wasn't expecting 0 activity when I got back. I knew I had family stuff all afternoon which included around when day end would be so I was one of the ones who asked to keep it 48 hours because of that. I did happen to see nin's vote in passing which is why I unvoted but to re-iterate. You dying instead of me isn't the play nin, if you agree with me then we just tie the day. Stalling out while PRs are still available isn't the worst play in the world with the vote stipulations we have today, you don't need to die.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Wow, I wasn't expecting 0 activity when I got back. I knew I had family stuff all afternoon which included around when day end would be so I was one of the ones who asked to keep it 48 hours because of that. I did happen to see nin's vote in passing which is why I unvoted but to re-iterate. You dying instead of me isn't the play nin, if you agree with me then we just tie the day. Stalling out while PRs are still available isn't the worst play in the world with the vote stipulations we have today, you don't need to die.

I wanted it to 48 hours too lol. I don't think I would have if i knew about the thunder dome because now we just kind of have to wait for day end
 
Good morning, I was very sick yesterday and it really did affect my posting.

I honestly thought we had moved to 24 and 24 day night cycle.

you mean yall voted to keep it 48/24?
 
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