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Fandorin

Fandorin

Fandorin said:
I think there were all the movements so far since the last map update. Are we committed to the Zipped kill? We can try and Attack with the boat to isolate and RB him. Fran is only 2 votes from turbo so hard to say when EoD will happen, but we can try and use it just before people start discussing the turbo so that people don’t have the time to react fully to the attacks.

What I was thinking of is isolating Zipped on ??? with ATP since he was publicly RB’ed. We can move Vere and then Kyan (free of charge) to somewhere else and then move Zipped to ??? to end the night alone with ATP. What do you guys think? Maybe we can just move him elsewhere and RB him with the Ship, but others could protect him.
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@AllThingsPurple, are you cool with this?
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

AllThingsPurple said:
I feel like zipped being moved to where I am just before day end then him being killed is gonna look suspicious towards me?
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We can get out you then too. Thread knows you’re RB’ed and I think that could actually give you some town cred, but let’s remove you and Kyan as well. Can I send you to NA or you rather Africa?
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

I think it is, but thread is just there waiting for something to happen. Don’t vote to end it though since with the attacks the thread will sus the turbo.
 
Geno

Geno

Fando with the new rules the 2nd time you use wrong pronoun you get instantly replaced so be careful, even works on these secret chats
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Geno said:
You have gained the following abilities:

Flying Dutchman: Battalions: You have 10 Battalions(they'll be shown on the map above the ship Flying Dutchman) and every night you gain 5 battalions, you can use 1/2 battalions with the day private or public command Attack 1/2: X, you will roll the same amount of dice as the number you chose, the defendant will roll 1 dice. If you win the roll(defendant wins ties) then you win the right to place them to whichever place you want on the map, you can continue the attack, winning a 2nd time roleblocks the player, losing the roll makes you lose the amount of battalions you attacked with.
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These are the rules for the ship attacks, VA. I understood that I can either attack with 1 or 2 dices.
 
Vincent Alexander

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Fandorin said:
These are the rules for the ship attacks, VA. I understood that I can either attack with 1 or 2 dices.
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Yeah, I was re-reading and still confused myself. I think I get it now. I saw 1/2 as half, and not as you using 1 or 2 battalions. This makes a lot more sense now. lol
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Vincent Alexander said:
Sounds like my bedroom antics. I imagine folks are going to be just as annoyed as my wife too.
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Vincent Alexander

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Two hero checks came back: Launch and Nat. That stinks. Our hands are kind of tied---we need to kill one of them. And thankfully Zipped is RB'ed.
 
AllThingsPurple

AllThingsPurple

Luckily my bloodtype is B so even if he picks me it will only roleblock me and I'm already roleblocked.

So Natiko is town, maybe worth Kyan shooting him?

What's the plan with ??? How are we going to proceed?
 
Vincent Alexander

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
It might be brazen, but Launch is way too vocal. They talk themselves into a bind, then right out of it. I think that's a dangerous player for us overall. A check in this game isn't amazing because of Godfather, but I think Launch needs to go either way.

I am good with Zipped also, but Launch can't wait too much longer. Launch is green checked and trying to solve. Zipped is definitely part of town core at this point, but not really solving.
 
AllThingsPurple

AllThingsPurple

Yeah zipped is roleblocked so he can't do shjt, they think zipped is the target they going to try and protect him.

Kyan shoot Natiko

We night kill launch.

Maybe we get lucky and get for 1
 
AllThingsPurple

AllThingsPurple

I'm still not entirely sure what happened with Chuggs..vwe tried to kill Sorian but got notified chuggs would die instead then fran claims he killed chuggs...
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

I think Kyan can go for Nat yeah, but he said none of the public items seemed his. Could be he just didn’t pay attention to H&G, but not sure.

I’m fine with Launch going, but Zipped will progressively become more dangerous to us as the game goes on
 
AllThingsPurple

AllThingsPurple

Fandorin said:
I think Kyan can go for Nat yeah, but he said none of the public items seemed his. Could be he just didn’t pay attention to H&G, but not sure.

I’m fine with Launch going, but Zipped will progressively become more dangerous to us as the game goes on
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While this is true, OJ in theory can just block him every night? I wonder if a watcher would get know it was OJ?
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

AllThingsPurple said:
I'm still not entirely sure what happened with Chuggs..vwe tried to kill Sorian but got notified chuggs would die instead then fran claims he killed chuggs...
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I think we ended up stacking that kill. Fran checked Chuggs N1 and then killed last night, but someone else moved that Sorian shot to Chuggs.
 
AllThingsPurple

AllThingsPurple

Vincent Alexander said:
Sorian would've bragged about it if they knew what happened. I'm guessing someone else there redirected.
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That's definitely true.

After the mayhem of last night I think we need to put commands down early.

I'm in favour of what I suggested above. We leave zipped for now and try to take a 2 for 1 shot at Launch and Natiko.
 
Vincent Alexander

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Keep in mind: Stu is giving everyone a 5% ITA shot again, while Stu and I will have 25%. We need to come out this next day strong. Don't go overboard, but be ready to re-affirm your townie status----we don't need town piling on any one of us with 5% shots. That'd be a sad way to go out.
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
AllThingsPurple said:
I'm in favour of what I suggested above. We leave zipped for now and try to take a 2 for 1 shot at Launch and Natiko.
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I can only kill Reiji, nothing happens if I target someone else. What's the Reiji shortlist right now? Nat I think is on it, but are there better candidates than him?
 
Vincent Alexander

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Kyanrute said:
I can only kill Reiji, nothing happens if I target someone else. What's the Reiji shortlist right now? Nat I think is on it, but are there better candidates than him?
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I think Nat is top of the list. And if we get lucky, we get a two-for-1 as mentioned above. We take out a green check and get you your power.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Vincent Alexander said:
Keep in mind: Stu is giving everyone a 5% ITA shot again, while Stu and I will have 25%. We need to come out this next day strong. Don't go overboard, but be ready to re-affirm your townie status----we don't need town piling on any one of us with 5% shots. That'd be a sad way to go out.
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Sure, I don't think we are really at risk. Without OJ and Blarg things might get hectic with shots everywhere, but I don't think we will be specifically targeted.

I'm kinda repeating myself, but you think Stu would pass the Rebellion to you after this phase, VA?
 
Vincent Alexander

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Fandorin said:
Sure, I don't think we are really at risk. Without OJ and Blarg things might get hectic with shots everywhere, but I don't think we will be specifically targeted.

I'm kinda repeating myself, but you think Stu would pass the Rebellion to you after this phase, VA?
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They might, but I've not directly asked. I've put some crumbs out there and might try once they use it tonight.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Kyanrute said:
I can only kill Reiji, nothing happens if I target someone else. What's the Reiji shortlist right now? Nat I think is on it, but are there better candidates than him?
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I'll try and update this list. Let's see if we get new info with Fran's items.
 
Vincent Alexander

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Fandorin said:
Sure, I don't think we are really at risk. Without OJ and Blarg things might get hectic with shots everywhere, but I don't think we will be specifically targeted.

I'm kinda repeating myself, but you think Stu would pass the Rebellion to you after this phase, VA?
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Oh...and I don't think we're necessarily at risk either, BUT....town is town. Their greatest weakness and greatest strength is their ability to change focus at the drop of a dime based on someone sneezing funny. Just want to make sure no one sneezes funny tomorrow.
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
I think Fando is right, there possibly was a stacked kill last night. My baseless theory is that it was either A or Vere who redirected it, since they were on the same continent with Sorian and Chuggs. A power that redirects kills incoming to targets on the continent.
 
AllThingsPurple

AllThingsPurple

I could definitely be a target tomorrow after my loud argument with Launch, its hard to know how town will interpret it. I'm hoping frustrated town lol
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

I think I'll try to get some items at the quiz. I could claim ATP's iPhone as part of my fake claim as Otacon, but it would be reasonable to try and get items that weren't reveled by Fran as a neutral thief.
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
[He/Him] nin - UTC+1 => Hawthorn
[he/him] Verelios - UTC-5
[he/him] SalvaPot - UTC-8
[he/him] Royal_Flush|Flush - UTC+1
[he/him] Terraforce - UTC+5
[he/him] malus - UTC+1
[he/him] Brazil - UTC-3
[he/him] Lone_Prodigy|LP - UTC-5
[he/him] Natiko - UTC-5
[he/him] Ynnek7|Kenny - UTC-5

[he/him] Muffin - UTC+1 - Claimed a Lannister.
[he/him] Stantastic - UTC+12 - Denied H&G.

I might be omitting wee for no reason, not sure, would need to check D1 or so. Can't think of a better candidate than Natiko, unless I've missed something.
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Fandorin said:
I think I'll try to get some items at the quiz. I could claim ATP's iPhone as part of my fake claim as Otacon, but it would be reasonable to try and get items that weren't reveled by Fran as a neutral thief.
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Someone mentioned that scum might be hoarding the items (looks at VA's stack of loot), so everyone has a reason to go for the items. We are just innocent townies and we wanted to get the items to their rightful town owners smile.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Kyanrute said:
[He/Him] nin - UTC+1 => Hawthorn
[he/him] Verelios - UTC-5
[he/him] SalvaPot - UTC-8
[he/him] Royal_Flush|Flush - UTC+1
[he/him] Terraforce - UTC+5
[he/him] malus - UTC+1
[he/him] Brazil - UTC-3
[he/him] Lone_Prodigy|LP - UTC-5
[he/him] Natiko - UTC-5
[he/him] Ynnek7|Kenny - UTC-5

[he/him] Muffin - UTC+1 - Claimed a Lannister.
[he/him] Stantastic - UTC+12 - Denied H&G.

I might be omitting wee for no reason, not sure, would need to check D1 or so. Can't think of a better candidate than Natiko, unless I've missed something.
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Yeah, I agree. Launch was untargetable on N2 so we missed that check on him I think, but his item doesn't match and flavor shop thingy doesn't either.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Kyanrute said:
Someone mentioned that scum might be hoarding the items (looks at VA's stack of loot), so everyone has a reason to go for the items. We are just innocent townies and we wanted to get the items to their rightful town owners smile.
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Actually, we need a list on our items. Update here please, I'm pretty sure I missed

Fandorin
Map (unclaimed)
Heart of Davy Jones (Fandorin)
Coon Costume (Sorian)

ATP
Blood Vial (ATP)
iPhone

Vincent Alexander
Triforce Piece: Courage (used by Kyan)
Excalibur (Aeleus?)
Police Badge (unclaimed)
Golden Gear (Launch)
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Damn, I was Vel’Koz main ages ago, but no one played with him haha. Nice to see he hasn’t been forgotten.

But yeah, completely missed the quizzes.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

But anyway, no one talked during the quiz time, so we can input our commands already.

We roleblocked weem last phase when she lighting rod’ed, so it is possible that she got refunded and will be able to do it again and that sucks since me and ATP are with her on NA. ATP is roleblocked anyway, but unfortunately I don’t think I’d be able to do the kill.

Kyan is checking Natiko, so I think VA should do the NK on Launch. OJ either ghost RBs Natiko or Launch.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Oh shit, VA went to NA as well. Humm, I think maybe RBing weem again might be a good idea.

That way I can redirect Brazil to weem so that me, ATP and VA are completely safe this phase (barring any cross continent bullshit, of course). Kyan could be exposed, but only if Natiko actually is Reiji and gets NK.
 
Vincent Alexander

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
We should give OJ their RB command as early as we can. I say someone on SA or Asia to sow as much paranoia as we can since none of us are there. Aeleus or Terra.

OJ RB: Aeleus

Just posting to give best chance of OJ seeing. If anyone disagrees or has someone else, feel free to update and post, but I won't be around much later and want to make sure we don't miss OJ if able.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Vincent Alexander said:
We should give OJ their RB command as early as we can. I say someone on SA or Asia to sow as much paranoia as we can since none of us are there. Aeleus or Terra.

OJ RB: Aeleus

Just posting to give best chance of OJ seeing. If anyone disagrees or has someone else, feel free to update and post, but I won't be around much later and want to make sure we don't miss OJ if able.
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I think RBing someone not on out continent can be nice, but we don’t know who actually have active roles yet (Aeleus and Terra included). If weem uses a lighting rod again we will accidentally kill her and town will know the killer was on NA considering we have Natiko and Launch green checked.

We can’t risk that since we have 3 scum on NA right now and the alternative would for Kyan to do the NK instead of the Natiko check. I think RBing weem is the way to go.

Please, OJ roleblock weem again
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Of course, I’m willing to discuss this but I agree that we should discuss and agree on OJ’s command as soon as possible.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Fandorin said:
I think RBing someone not on out continent can be nice, but we don’t know who actually have active roles yet (Aeleus and Terra included). If weem uses a lighting rod again we will accidentally kill her and town will know the killer was on NA considering we have Natiko and Launch green checked.

We can’t risk that since we have 3 scum on NA right now and the alternative would for Kyan to do the NK instead of the Natiko check. I think RBing weem is the way to go.

Please, OJ roleblock weem again
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Sorry, I’m very sleepy and this post came out weirdly phrased. Let me know if you guys think any of this doesn’t make sense.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Last post before I go to sleep here.

It would be bad if weem has another active role other than a lighting rod since she can maybe get notified that she was roleblocked, but let me break down what I think would happen if she actually used another lighting rod:
  1. weem wouldn’t know she was RBed again, since apparently she didn’t receive a notification last night despite the fact that we know OJ’s roleblock went through;
  2. my redirect on Brazil to weem would be disguised as part of weem’s lighting rod, making her (and the thread) believe it worked;
  3. ATP is RB’ed, the thread believes VA already used his role at N1and I’m working on a passive PR fakeclaim, so we could easily say that we didn’t move this night if we are asked (despite VA doing the kill and I redirecting Brazil); and
  4. with the above, weem could potentially point out that the kill didn’t come from NA, giving town cred to ATP, VA and me.
 
Vincent Alexander

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Maybe I shouldn't assume, but I figured we couldn't target same player 2 nights in a row. I am good with Wee if we can though.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

I should stress that I don’t think we would all walk out alive of the next phase if weem wakes up dead, specially with ITA shots going off.

Roleblocking a protection from Launch or Natiko could guarantee us a kill this phase, whereas NOT roleblocking weem’s lighting rod would probably kill one or two of us next phase.

We don’t know if Launch or Natiko have something worth blocking, but we do know that weem has a really dangerous PR that could kill us and block the kill. She’s probably a JOAT with other roles and maybe she can’t use it a lighting rod twice in a row, maybe she uses random roles and that’s why she didn’t receive a notification about how she was blocked.

Hadn’t thought about how we possibly can’t RB her twice in a row, so this could be moot. But considering this, are we still doing the kill on Launch and Kyan checking Natiko? VA would do the kill again?
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

l suggested roleblocking Launch or Natiko at first, but since our killer can only be from NA, we don’t have much choice here.
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Shunka Shuto: Natiko

I think wee can pull off that whole Lightning Rod argument even if she knew that the shot got refunded. She could've been baiting for the block for all we know. The chances are that she will use LR again tonight and we have two ways to deal with that. Either I NK or we block wee. The former leads to us missing a scan / kill and the latter increases the chances that the NK goes through, since we could then redirect the RB to one of Launch and Nat.

I prefer blocking wee. In both scenarios I perform an intercontinental action on a confirmed townie. I die if I am seen doing this but since there is no avoiding this, we should not care about me. We instead should care about the kill and you three. Blocking wee and redirecting Brazil secures your asses, only intercontinental actions can hit you and there is nothing we can do against those anyway. Leaving wee unblocked means that she could do something and we can't be sure that LR is all that something can mean.

Since we can't control both of Launch and Nat, there always be some uncertainty about whether or not the kill will go through. A block there does not make the kill certain, it merely increases the odds of it landing. All in all, this is the gamble debate again: how much do we bet? I am willing to go for Launch as the NK, but I don't think bets greater than that are worth it.
 
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