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Neki

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I'm also skeptical of FateShirou now like you said, the way he is posting and voting is all very non-committal. Not really making any hard reads, just asking people how others acted when they were scum, very easy questions to make it look like you're engaging with the town.
 

Neki

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I doubt you'll need it but I did breadcrumb my only post to Ambulance just in case I died since I figured he needed the green checkmark more than I did because most people see me as town already. Hopefully it's not overly obvious because I obviously can't change it.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Yeah, ATP is definitely on my list. I'll need to re-read Faddy to see what you and ambulance were talking about above. I still think it's very likely that Kenny is a teammate of Chuggs.

I'm going to seem ignorant for a second, but can you explain what ATP meant by the power trio? I glossed it over in thread, but it seems like three people moving the thread forward together?
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I'm also skeptical of FateShirou now like you said, the way he is posting and voting is all very non-committal. Not really making any hard reads, just asking people how others acted when they were scum, very easy questions to make it look like you're engaging with the town.
Exactly, I didn't say anything because I wanted to give him free reign to 'scum hunt'. Day end came and went and nothing changed my mind.
I doubt you'll need it but I did breadcrumb my only post to Ambulance just in case I died since I figured he needed the green checkmark more than I did because most people see me as town already. Hopefully it's not overly obvious because I obviously can't change it.
Smart thinking, it's always good to be prepared. Which page is it on?
 

Neki

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He wrote:

So I felt like a power trio formed d1 between monkey, maol and chuggs. I don't believe all three of them are town. Obviously right now chuggs is the one I feel worst about, but it definitely think 1 of those 3 will end up being revealed to be scum.

If he is the other scum team, it makes sense for him to throw those 3 under the bus. Looking back at some posts, FateShirou also kept asking about 'monkey' scum and was doubting monkey's calls.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
He wrote:

So I felt like a power trio formed d1 between monkey, maol and chuggs. I don't believe all three of them are town. Obviously right now chuggs is the one I feel worst about, but it definitely think 1 of those 3 will end up being revealed to be scum.

If he is the other scum team, it makes sense for him to throw those 3 under the bus. Looking back at some posts, FateShirou also kept asking about 'monkey' scum and was doubting monkey's calls.
This is a good point, and really highlights how scum will usually both boost and take a swipe at other scum when given the chance in read lists. I can see scum ATP writing that on the off chance that chuggs flips so he gets town credit.
 

Neki

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If there is two scum teams of 4, I feel like this is gonna be hard for town to win, the scum basically have to kill each other or Town has to vote out 8 people which seems like a tall order. Day is so much more exciting than night time, especially when you don't have a role. At least we got mason so we can still talk about the game, waiting 24 hours to talk about the game would be nerve-wracking.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Who is sussing you at the moment? Do you think it's genuine town or scum?
I think people currently on me are:
Monkey
Leo
ATP
Faddy

In order of least to most serious. I think Monkey's pre-occupation can be genuine but I have no idea what it's based on. Leo is because we just played together and I had rolled scum, haha, so they're naturally wary. ATP and Faddy don't seem genuine. It's hard for me to defend against the points brought up because they're nebulous connections from D1 that I don't agree with, but I can't speak for Ambulance.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I'm trying to brainstorm how jman died during the day. Is there any mafia roles that let you kill during the day time?

I also don't know why Feign/Jman both role claimed on day 1, like what was the gameplan there lol
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I'm trying to brainstorm how jman died during the day. Is there any mafia roles that let you kill during the day time?

I also don't know why Feign/Jman both role claimed on day 1, like what was the gameplan there lol
I...think it may have been because of the foxtrot poison or a bomb. That is the only thing that makes sense. If so, then it makes sense that Chuggs team wasn't given a NK.
 

Neki

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I kinda like that flavour idea but how did Aeuleus die? Did aeuleus die from a neutral? Or do you think the bomber is neutral? I like the idea that the Patriots have FOXDIE that kills at end of day instead of during the night.

Remember the patriots' win condition though - You win when you control a majority of the vote, when all non-Patriots have a bomb planted, OR when all non-Patriots are infected by FOXDIE.

Patriots team - FOXDIE (dies after a day during the day?) / Bomb (from Fatman perhaps?)
Big Boss / Ocelot team - two standard night kill?

If I had to guess, it kinda fits the narrative. Losing a bomb defuser early is gonna hurt though.
 

Neki

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Ultimately I don't know how important knowing how scum kills is but I just like knowing the flavour of the game for some reason lol.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I kinda like that flavour idea but how did Aeuleus die? Did aeuleus die from a neutral? Or do you think the bomber is neutral? I like the idea that the Patriots have FOXDIE that kills at end of day instead of during the night.

Remember the patriots' win condition though - You win when you control a majority of the vote, when all non-Patriots have a bomb planted, OR when all non-Patriots are infected by FOXDIE.

Patriots team - FOXDIE (dies after a day during the day?) / Bomb (from Fatman perhaps?)
Big Boss / Ocelot team - two standard night kill?

If I had to guess, it kinda fits the narrative. Losing a bomb defuser early is gonna hurt though.
Yeah, if Chuggs was telling the truth the the other scum team made the NK and killed Ael.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Ultimately I don't know how important knowing how scum kills is but I just like knowing the flavour of the game for some reason lol.
It absolutely is. Look at Chuggs role PM, he doesn't have a factional kill which is a big red flag because Ael did die last night.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
how good is monkey feeling though, meta'd the shit out of chuggs and was right

I'd be fist pumping until the end of time
 

Neki

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me too, I was gonna analyze ATP posts yesterday but I was way too tired. Just excited to see the fall out from yesterday lol
 

Neki

Bought a book once
No one died, I'm definitely feeling the delayed kill method as FOXDIE for at least one scum team, there is no way we went two nights with only one kill.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
No one died, I'm definitely feeling the delayed kill method as FOXDIE for at least one scum team, there is no way we went two nights with only one kill.
Yeah. I'm worried that my thoughts on Faddy are OMGUS (retaliatory) in nature or if they have merit. I'll try to read them later.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Just been tired, I'll try doing some stuff today. You figure anything out? The train on Kenny looks pretty set
 

Neki

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I'm really hesitant on this Zeke train. I really don't like how Hawthrone + Faddy are ganging up on him. They are very hyper focused on him and him alone and I don't see how the Chuggs flip speaks to Zeke being scum. I'm not sure though. How do you feel about those three?
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I'm really hesitant on this Zeke train. I really don't like how Hawthrone + Faddy are ganging up on him. They are very hyper focused on him and him alone and I don't see how the Chuggs flip speaks to Zeke being scum. I'm not sure though. How do you feel about those three?
I'm think Hawthorn is acting scummy so she's suspect. Faddy is more nebulous...he's likely not a patriot because of his late swing to Chuggs instead of Ynnek.

Zeke's overly defensive stance was kind of pinging me but the traction to drag him makes me want to wait and see. It's very possible that he's lying, but if he's telling the truth losing a vanilla townie won't hurt as much.
 

Neki

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It comes off as very town to persistently go after one person over and over again. I'd give credit to a scum if they tried pulling that off so Faddy is definitely leaning a little more town after re-evaluating his actions.

Zeke is being overly defensive but can you blame him? Hawthrone/Faddy have been voting him for 3 days now and Fanto also wanted to start a zeke train. I can't imagine being on the defensive for 3 days. Though that does not absolve him from being scum.

I need to look up Kalor and FateShirou posts because I'm wondering if people's views on them are valid.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
It comes off as very town to persistently go after one person over and over again. I'd give credit to a scum if they tried pulling that off so Faddy is definitely leaning a little more town after re-evaluating his actions.

Zeke is being overly defensive but can you blame him? Hawthrone/Faddy have been voting him for 3 days now and Fanto also wanted to start a zeke train. I can't imagine being on the defensive for 3 days. Though that does not absolve him from being scum.

I need to look up Kalor and FateShirou posts because I'm wondering if people's views on them are valid.
Tunneling is a bold strategy, that's true. Err, I think someone did a read through of Kalor earlier but it seemed a bit prejudiced. I wanted to do one myself so if you find anything on the up&up or scummy, keep me posted.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Being a low count poster seems like the easiest way to avoid being labelled as scum lol. Every time we start a train it's on someone active.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Being a low count poster seems like the easiest way to avoid being labelled as scum lol. Every time we start a train it's on someone active.
Yeah, coasting is an effective scum technique that's won games before. It's because the more active people are likely to become topics of discussion rather than someone you have nothing to go off of.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I'm not sure what you want to do but for me I'd rather you claim and die rather than get voted off today especially since most people see me as town. I obviously won't want to vote for this train lol.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
It's gonna be so lonely in here, don't leave me!
With great power, comes great responsimonkey. You're doing great, if I die then maybe look into Maol/Hawthorn connections since they both protected chuggs and seem in line with each other.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Chuggs claimed maol was a cop but we really have no evidence of that. I don't trust hawthron and maol has been kinda been coasting since day 2.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
don't trust anyoneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, I can just feel the kills coming at the end of the vote though. Claiming monkey is risky if there is more than one monkey catcher so I hope aeol was the only one.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
don't trust anyoneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, I can just feel the kills coming at the end of the vote though. Claiming monkey is risky if there is more than one monkey catcher so I hope aeol was the only one.
Yeah, but since Ambulance already crumbed it and it was brought back up EOD2 I figured I was dead in either case if there were.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I mean I feel like we all wish we went kalor now but it easily could have gone either way. Maybe we should have just gone for Kalor since he didn't want to role claim but it's hard to say honestly, we can't expect everyone to role claim.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
No one died at the end of day which I'm very confused about, I wonder how jman even died last time
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I mean I feel like we all wish we went kalor now but it easily could have gone either way. Maybe we should have just gone for Kalor since he didn't want to role claim but it's hard to say honestly, we can't expect everyone to role claim.
True.

Tomorrow will be headache inducing. I'll need to look through Kalor more since he'll be a topic of focus.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I think Kalor actually might be town, I don't know why mafia would waste a watch on a suspicious person like you.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I think Kalor actually might be town, I don't know why mafia would waste a watch on a suspicious person like you.
He said self-watcher so he sees whoever visits him..which might be town to combat Chugg's team. It also might be scum on the other team.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Oh I see, self-watcher hm. That's a fair point then. Looks like you're going to the center of the discussion today again lol.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
What do you think of only one night kill and no one claiming bombs or fox die? The kill count seems extremely low unless town PR are putting in work. Leo also didn't die
 

Verelios

Were-elios
What do you think of only one night kill and no one claiming bombs or fox die? The kill count seems extremely low unless town PR are putting in work. Leo also didn't die
Hmmm, it might be normal. It's slow now but because of Chugg's PM it's obvious that bomb and infections might break out all at the same time. I'm not really sure why no one newly infected/bomb planted has come forward though...I find it very improbable that Maol was the Patriot target and still died.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I'm just confused, can lovers be opposite alignment? How did it even get to this point lol
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I'm just confused, can lovers be opposite alignment? How did it even get to this point lol
I mean...they're usually not, but this is a bastard game so it's possible for the pair to be mixed alignment. It's happened a few times in the past.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Do you think a scum team would have a self watcher? It seems very weird utility to give to scum
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Do you think a scum team would have a self watcher? It seems very weird utility to give to scum
It could be a scum counter to the patriots' bombs and infections. And a town counter is equally as likely. I wouldn't want to go here today is what I mean.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
This day has been so confusing I don't even know who to vote.
I'm very meh on the day too, both Leo and Zeke are fine votes for me. I think if we can flip another scum then it'll be a big breakthrough and give us a much needed charge up. Especially if they're on the other team.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I'll just vote the opposite of how I feel because my reads have been been baddddddd
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Well, well, well, there is scum in Faddy/Nin/Zem/Leo/Sparks/HP.

From most to least suspicious:
Faddy/Sparks/Zem/Nin/Leo/HP
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I thought Faddy was scum earlier but everyone was town reading him so I wasn't sure. At least we know Zeke wasn't lying.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I thought Faddy was scum earlier but everyone was town reading him so I wasn't sure. At least we know Zeke wasn't lying.
He was definitely panicking when Zeke sent out his list. It's possible that more than one scum was on it.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Game feels like everyone is mentally checked out when the trains kept being Kalor and Zeke with no new evidence lol. I just hope we think more tomorrow instead of just voting out Kalor because that's what it felt like today, vote out zeke because we have nothing better
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Game feels like everyone is mentally checked out when the trains kept being Kalor and Zeke with no new evidence lol. I just hope we think more tomorrow instead of just voting out Kalor because that's what it felt like today, vote out zeke because we have nothing better
Why would we vote out Kalor? That's a bad train after today.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
No I was saying the trains were Kalor and Zeke then we switched to Leo and Zeke and then Leo claimed. At that point I would have rather gone someone on Zeke's list but that's how I felt. After hawthorn flipped town I really didn't think going back to Zeke was good.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Given this is just how I purely felt about his play, I found him suspicious but once he claimed vanilla I felt like more energy should have been devoted to other people but Faddy kept insisting Zeke was scum and people bought into it I guess.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that jazz. As long as the scum aren't all the low post people I won't be upset how the game turned out though lol.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
No I was saying the trains were Kalor and Zeke then we switched to Leo and Zeke and then Leo claimed. At that point I would have rather gone someone on Zeke's list but that's how I felt. After hawthorn flipped town I really didn't think going back to Zeke was good.
Well, of course, we have a lot to look at tomorrow and none of it seems to line up with how lazy these past few days have been.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I feel like it's some sick joke that everyone is a sleepwalker in this game lol, how many sleepwalkers can there be?
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Also I'm not sure if you're aware but I'm also a sleepwalker monkey, not sure if that will help your claim or not when the time comes lol
 

Neki

Bought a book once
How you feeling today Vere? I mustered up some energy through the thread and read everything. I'm still iffy about Kalor but at least LP seems obvious. Do you think a scum is between the two? I just find it weird how Kalor would have played this being a scum.

Also since the discussion keeps going back to you, maybe I have to claim sooner or later? I know you wanted to protect me but the discussion constantly flipping back to you seems to be a waste of town energy and resources. If I die even with the breadcrumb I left, people are still doubting you as scum at this point. I'm not sure if us having dual roles is going to make them more or less likely to believe you.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
How you feeling today Vere? I mustered up some energy through the thread and read everything. I'm still iffy about Kalor but at least LP seems obvious. Do you think a scum is between the two? I just find it weird how Kalor would have played this being a scum.

Also since the discussion keeps going back to you, maybe I have to claim sooner or later? I know you wanted to protect me but the discussion constantly flipping back to you seems to be a waste of town energy and resources. If I die even with the breadcrumb I left, people are still doubting you as scum at this point. I'm not sure if us having dual roles is going to make them more or less likely to believe you.
Err, I dunno. You can claim sure, but this was never about the partner. People don't believe claim period, and I don't know what you claiming would do in the regard.

I feel like LP is definitely scum here. There are too many contrivances necessary for him not to be.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I mean if both masons claim sleepwalker mason, makes your claim more believable in my eyes. The idea of two non masons both claiming sleepwalker mason seems absurd. All I'm worried about is if I die and flip town, they are naturally going to assume you're the scum mason partner. But scum haven't been targeting you given your suspicious nature and I'm low on the totem pole since I haven't claimed and I'm not big impact town. So maybe I'm just being paranoid of a situation that will never happen.

What if both LP and Kalor are both scum on different teams? lol
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I mean if both masons claim sleepwalker mason, makes your claim more believable in my eyes. The idea of two non masons both claiming sleepwalker mason seems absurd. All I'm worried about is if I die and flip town, they are naturally going to assume you're the scum mason partner. But scum haven't been targeting you given your suspicious nature and I'm low on the totem pole since I haven't claimed and I'm not big impact town. So maybe I'm just being paranoid of a situation that will never happen.

What if both LP and Kalor are both scum on different teams? lol
Well, certainly the best case scenario would be me flipping first since that would give town a lot more information on who might have been not truthful.

It's also possible LP and Kalor are on different teams.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
How do you feel about monkey? I'm still leaning town because I hate the argument that a strong town player lives several days means they must be scum. They're gonna need much better evidence for it besides that. Telling you Faddy set up Zeke!
 

Verelios

Were-elios
How do you feel about monkey? I'm still leaning town because I hate the argument that a strong town player lives several days means they must be scum. They're gonna need much better evidence for it besides that. Telling you Faddy set up Zeke!
I feel like we should re-examine her, but I'm not worried. Yet. There are a lot of caveats to LPs claim and I don't think Monkey shooting and getting forced commuted by Hawthorn N3 (or is it N2?) is one worth considering right now.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I think I'm fine with claiming today, the discussion on you is wasted on my opinion and people aren't gonna let go of it. I'm fine with either of us dying since it'll protect a power role for another day at least. I think at this point having more confirmed townies will help narrow down the pool.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I think I'm fine with claiming today, the discussion on you is wasted on my opinion and people aren't gonna let go of it. I'm fine with either of us dying since it'll protect a power role for another day at least. I think at this point having more confirmed townies will help narrow down the pool.
>.> One of us gets misvoted today and then the other gets nked right after. I can see it already.
 
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