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Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Don’t think so. Think you’re empty
Ephidel
How do you do, fellow mafia?
I'm expecting to get a bit of stick from my friends after this is done, honestly.
That said, considering how easy I found it in past games to come to the complete wrong conclusions about just about everyone by mistake I have been finding it surprisingly difficult to come to the complete wrong conclusions about everyone on purpose.
That said, considering how easy I found it in past games to come to the complete wrong conclusions about just about everyone by mistake I have been finding it surprisingly difficult to come to the complete wrong conclusions about everyone on purpose.
It is so hard.
(anyway, if your friends are mad, I'll be your friend. we've had a great time in here, except for the stress and worry and all.)
also, damn, Google, just @ me next time:
That's my running sheet. "you often open around this time." YES, FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS NOW IT FEELS LIKE
also, damn, Google, just @ me next time:
That's my running sheet. "you often open around this time." YES, FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS NOW IT FEELS LIKE
...the easiest person mechanically to red check is Zem the outlier, but that's too big a hail mary. I have to to spin the Vere check. I'm working on it. God I hope Stan dies. Please die, Stan. Do me a solid and I'll run a one shot for you some night, I swear. Die die die.
that would be kind of amazing
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Patriots wincon would be so hard though and its tough to see any of them having fun. Unless the goal was like LP’s plan, hunker down and play as survivors and when the numbers are low enough start bombing/poisoning? Still sounds pretty bad
Ephidel
How do you do, fellow mafia?
Thanks for the closing message Vere
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Yep, we’re so close. An Ephi ‘slip’ might do it tomorrow or the day after but it’s still a gamble. Lets just fight like hell tomorrow first, what are you planning to claim Monkey, what bs might sound believable? Transporter? Or maybe VERE tailored, thats why he brought it up in the first place so we’d go after you later! Town can still town this up and we just need to convince 1 person for us to force a mislunch.
Zip mentioned he could see you faking a red if you have multiple kill power which is kinda funny now
This is what worries me - how in the hell do I get out of that?
I think we need to be there at day start if possible. Vere didn't even get an hour. I'll get less unless things go our way. So here's what I suggest:
We are all there. I'll give you the structure of my pretyped when I write it so you can prepare if you want. If it starts to swing hard, though, Ephi should go ahead and fake the slip. But we just need one if we have a shot at hammering.
Eight alive. Seven tomorrow if we succeed.
Reki
Neki
Kalor
Zem
Fate
Us.
I agree that killing Fate does leave all uncertainties. That's our safe option. Also unlikely to have any protection left. Zem is a wildcard, but he's also the town leader right now.
Here's the equation, as I see it. We could not have predicted today would go this easily for us. But we KNOW tomorrow will be tough. Who is most likely to swing straight to Ephi if she slips? We only need one if we're all there and we stack, bam, done. We only. Need. One. Who's most likely>
Reki is not likely to be around or fast. Also potentially most likely to have a bp. We leave Reki.
Fate is a little reactive. Might swing immediately to Ephi. A good possible reason to keep him.
Kalor will probably be there and is less predictable. Might swing. Do not kill.
Zem is the wildcard. I have no idea.
Neki will be mad. Is also confirmed. Could kill.
We just need any one person to vote Ephi or someone else, but it has to happen when we are all there. This is why I think the slip strategy is solid. It's underhanded but we're already villains. ONE PERSON votes her, we hammer, we go home.
So I think I propose a kill in Neki or Zem. Because I just don't think there's any way I get out of yesterday, not with the lovers bombed. But if Ephi says something about Faddy bombing Vere?
Kopite
Quickdraw King
So the slip is Ephi mentioning Faddy redirecting to Vere? That's good, but I don't see how it does more than confirm you're both scum, which could lead to Monkey being lunched first which will screw up everything.
Can we make the slip Ephi falsifying the redcheck or something like that, to at least take the heat off Monkey and ensure she's the lunch target? My worry is that it's so difficult to fake that naturally and folks will catch on to the fact that she's trying to pull a no lunch day, which will mathematically ensure our win (most people seem to think we have 3 left anyway)
Fake Edit: Oh yeah I just remembered that as long as our NKs all work, a chain Monkey-Ephi lunch will win us the game too, so maybe the first option is safer? Ephi knew Vere was the bomb and thats why she was pushing hard there, we can speculate that she must have some power to make Vere show up as red too. I think we need to rehearse this slip in this thread first though, so much is hinging on it
Can we make the slip Ephi falsifying the redcheck or something like that, to at least take the heat off Monkey and ensure she's the lunch target? My worry is that it's so difficult to fake that naturally and folks will catch on to the fact that she's trying to pull a no lunch day, which will mathematically ensure our win (most people seem to think we have 3 left anyway)
Fake Edit: Oh yeah I just remembered that as long as our NKs all work, a chain Monkey-Ephi lunch will win us the game too, so maybe the first option is safer? Ephi knew Vere was the bomb and thats why she was pushing hard there, we can speculate that she must have some power to make Vere show up as red too. I think we need to rehearse this slip in this thread first though, so much is hinging on it
Ephidel
How do you do, fellow mafia?
I know you like this fake slip but I really don't think I want to. I just see it all going horribly wrong somehow and it would suck to stumble so late and I wouldn't want to be the reason for it.
We're nearly there.
Could we just go the lay low route instead?
Even if we do lose Monkey that's only one more day and the days are shorter now, we're all nearly done.
Try and argue your way of Vere via him asserting immediate tailoring or there still being scum fuckery or I don't know. If wussy comes to worst your flip is going to exonerate you, I don't look worse for voting there, and kopite is still potentially green.
One of you can push for me if you want, sure, and if they vote for me naturally, yey.
But please don't make me try and fake saying something stupid.
If we lose Monkey tomorrow we end up 4-2
We kill someone over night 3-2
Yes, we still need a misvote but I think we're in a better position this way because there's far less actual suspicion on me and Kopite .
Then we try to get Reki killed. Kalor/Neki/Zem have all at least commented on the possibility of a scum doc (Neki dismissed his own flavour argument but he did it twice so its obviously still on his mind) so I think Reki's probably the best misvote target left (and I guess I'm saying we keep at least 2 of them alive and hope they vote with us?)
Misvote takes it to 2-2 so we win.
If they go for me then that's 3-2 again and then we nk someone so we win.
It's an extra day, but it just feels so much safer.
We're nearly there.
Could we just go the lay low route instead?
Even if we do lose Monkey that's only one more day and the days are shorter now, we're all nearly done.
Try and argue your way of Vere via him asserting immediate tailoring or there still being scum fuckery or I don't know. If wussy comes to worst your flip is going to exonerate you, I don't look worse for voting there, and kopite is still potentially green.
One of you can push for me if you want, sure, and if they vote for me naturally, yey.
But please don't make me try and fake saying something stupid.
If we lose Monkey tomorrow we end up 4-2
We kill someone over night 3-2
Yes, we still need a misvote but I think we're in a better position this way because there's far less actual suspicion on me and Kopite .
Then we try to get Reki killed. Kalor/Neki/Zem have all at least commented on the possibility of a scum doc (Neki dismissed his own flavour argument but he did it twice so its obviously still on his mind) so I think Reki's probably the best misvote target left (and I guess I'm saying we keep at least 2 of them alive and hope they vote with us?)
Misvote takes it to 2-2 so we win.
If they go for me then that's 3-2 again and then we nk someone so we win.
It's an extra day, but it just feels so much safer.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Yeah, I think if you're not feeling it let's not do that then Ephi. I think you still go all out to convince them that you're town Monkey and we'll see who bites, we just need 1 person to do so. The problem is we also need to find another target, and I'm not sure who that is and if we can properly push them.
Actual worst comes to worst is they kill me immediately today before we even get a chance to argue and kill Kopite tomorrow just in case.
I understand your reluctance and I'm outvoted, but I'll just say... this strategy isn't common here, but it is elsewhere because it works. I angrily question Ephi about her claim, she says something about how our fake claims are better than that, everyone jaw drops, votes, done.
And there's no laying low for me lol. I'm done today. Or at least me not dying today is the most outlier chance in the world. If the lovers hadn't gone boom, it would be one thing. But I'm going to look ultra sus.
So let's just let it happen - and I am reluctant to bring up tailoring at all, whew, don't even want to replant that seed - and hope.
I'm going to open with a push on Kalor and outlier Reki as the vets who could have predicted I wasn't out of shots. Kalor made that comment yesterday - so I'll pull the "too much knowledge" argument. That's my only possible path. I will shade Zem a little too for directing people. Unless he's our kill.
Who ARE we killing? Not Kalor. Not Reki. Which of the others? And who's doing the kill? Any of us can now.
I understand your reluctance and I'm outvoted, but I'll just say... this strategy isn't common here, but it is elsewhere because it works. I angrily question Ephi about her claim, she says something about how our fake claims are better than that, everyone jaw drops, votes, done.
And there's no laying low for me lol. I'm done today. Or at least me not dying today is the most outlier chance in the world. If the lovers hadn't gone boom, it would be one thing. But I'm going to look ultra sus.
So let's just let it happen - and I am reluctant to bring up tailoring at all, whew, don't even want to replant that seed - and hope.
I'm going to open with a push on Kalor and outlier Reki as the vets who could have predicted I wasn't out of shots. Kalor made that comment yesterday - so I'll pull the "too much knowledge" argument. That's my only possible path. I will shade Zem a little too for directing people. Unless he's our kill.
Who ARE we killing? Not Kalor. Not Reki. Which of the others? And who's doing the kill? Any of us can now.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Or Monkey you could pull that thing that happened to Splinter in GoT, where we had our actual cop fake a redcheck. Say you were sure of Vere being scum and that you didn't want another day of town doing nothing and lunching you instead so even though you were out of shots you took aim at your best guess
Oh, I'm going to fight. I've never rolled over in my life and I'm not starting now. I just don't think I'll win. Every good play comes back to killing me today - I have to assume that's going to happen.
I'll put in the kill for now. Really don't think anyone has a way to see me.
If we're lucky, Zem is a patriot lol.
I'M TOO TIRED TO BE FUNNY SO I'LL JUST BE SALTY ZEM NEVER INVITED ME TO A NIGHT CHAT AND KILL HIM: Zem
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Received
Ephidel
How do you do, fellow mafia?
I don't know we have any better targets. It probably needs to be Zem or Neki, both have expressed suspicion of both you and Kopite. The only thing that could swing is it how pissed Neki is going to be about losing Vere versus whether Zem could be made to share some responsibility for that vote out with the rest of us.
I don't know, I'm afraid to do the math.
There's got to be something else. But the conversation that's happening is only good for us.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
You sure, cos Neki’s controlling all convo now (what is it with everyone stepping up suddenly) and they’re making a pretty decent case about killing you and then me later. This is the dozenth time I’ve done this but maybe Neki‘s the last patriot?
Ephidel
How do you do, fellow mafia?
The only way the Faddy kill makes sense as remaining unclaimed is if the person who did it is someone who was already locked into a claim at that point, right?
I mean, if you fumble a kill a can see not claiming it, but not when you get it right.
I also find it odd that Neki just said "We can play around another instant day kill" as if he expects there to be another one, but if Vere was just a sleepwalking mason it would be somewhat unfair if Neki wasn't too.
I mean, if you fumble a kill a can see not claiming it, but not when you get it right.
I also find it odd that Neki just said "We can play around another instant day kill" as if he expects there to be another one, but if Vere was just a sleepwalking mason it would be somewhat unfair if Neki wasn't too.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
We need a safe NK after Shirou so this doesn’t blow up, who’s least likely to be a patriot? Also I suppose that the remaining patriot doesn’t necessarily need to have protection, they might have a killing ability or even more bombs/poison too and thats why the game isn’t over yet
The conversation is good because everything is just going to get more and more convoluted. All you have to do is keep participating and thinking, Kopite.
I don't think they have anything else. It really might just be that we bombed Vere and Nat didn't count it as Fanto's one shot.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
I think they’re most likely a patriot who was worried they’d be found out since the Patriots were gunning hard for Faddy. Small chance it was a genuine town vig who was afraid they’d be suspected of being a Patriot too.
Ephidel
How do you do, fellow mafia?
Okay, so either Shirou or Neki would be good.
Shirou is confirmed, getting rid of him makes sense just so all we have left is uncertainty.
Neki tried to play leader.
Shirou might be more likely to side with me, but going by the trust/suspect lists yesterday (which admittedly could all change now monkey flipped because that probably hit everyone hard) if we keep Neki alive thats one extra person inclined to suspect Reki.
And that's the case I plan to make today.
I'm going to put in the kill for Shirou so we have something down.
We can always swap it later.
KILL: FateShirou
You killed me last time, Uryuu.
Now it's your turn.
Shirou is confirmed, getting rid of him makes sense just so all we have left is uncertainty.
Neki tried to play leader.
Shirou might be more likely to side with me, but going by the trust/suspect lists yesterday (which admittedly could all change now monkey flipped because that probably hit everyone hard) if we keep Neki alive thats one extra person inclined to suspect Reki.
And that's the case I plan to make today.
I'm going to put in the kill for Shirou so we have something down.
We can always swap it later.
KILL: FateShirou
You killed me last time, Uryuu.
Now it's your turn.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Yeah Shirou is the obvious kill, and if we’re correct about patriots having a vest we need to aim at town. Also a mislunch/claim test on you will give us the win if our NK goes through, so having a bit less support is not a huge deal. Kalor should be town, and can be a good target for u if I get voted out, if he doesn’t have a vest we win. If he’s got a vest, he’ll see you and try to lunch you and we’ll win as well.
Except for Kalor(who might be suspecting me) everyone is gunning for someone else lol, Neki -> Me -> You -> Reki -> Neki lol. I think there’ll still be some shade one me but I’m prepared to point out how its far more likely that I’m town than a godfather/tailor and that Neki just needs to accept being wrong :)
Except for Kalor(who might be suspecting me) everyone is gunning for someone else lol, Neki -> Me -> You -> Reki -> Neki lol. I think there’ll still be some shade one me but I’m prepared to point out how its far more likely that I’m town than a godfather/tailor and that Neki just needs to accept being wrong :)
Ephidel
How do you do, fellow mafia?
Maybe strip out the tailor, unless you want to open that can of worms, lol.
Trying to work out how to frame what I'm writing is fucking hard.
I've never been in this position as town, I've never made it this far. Trying to work out how to fake solving endgame when you've never done it the first place is... interesting.
I am currently pulling together a series of ISO posts devoted to Leo and Reki. I think it's about the most towny thing I can do because I did that in past games when I was town, but I know nobody is going to read them because seriously, who reads long iso posts except me.
But I know a plea to please, please vote out the person I'm convinced is scum isn't really solving if anyone challenges me
Trying to work out how to frame what I'm writing is fucking hard.
I've never been in this position as town, I've never made it this far. Trying to work out how to fake solving endgame when you've never done it the first place is... interesting.
I am currently pulling together a series of ISO posts devoted to Leo and Reki. I think it's about the most towny thing I can do because I did that in past games when I was town, but I know nobody is going to read them because seriously, who reads long iso posts except me.
But I know a plea to please, please vote out the person I'm convinced is scum isn't really solving if anyone challenges me
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Haha yeah I know, I'll strip out the tailoring as well. I don't think I can be around for SOD though, it's half past midnight here and I'm already fading, hopefully things don't go terribad and they decide to turbo me before I show up eventually but me getting lunched isn't the end of the world.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Command received
Ephidel
How do you do, fellow mafia?
And now we get to the fun part.
Good evening.
This is probably going to be a little awkward because you thought the game would be over now.
I can explain.
The game didn't end when the day did because we don't have majority. But we can if you hear me out.
I have a confession to make and a deal to offer.
I am the bastard element in this bastard game.
I'm not really a Foxhound, I'm a Patriot.
I don't count towards your numbers - I count towards ours. We don't have a faction kill because I can use yours.
You kept hunting for The Last Patriot and I was sitting here next to you.
I refused to slip because if I had you would have known the numbers didn't add up last night, and I couldn't offer this deal to two of you.
It only works when there's one.
I needed us to be even.
Fwiw I felt like dirt for making Monkey tank that death, but I couldn't throw my team's wincon when it was in sight.
But now?
You and I are the last of our factions.
If we work together we can both still win.
That's what I've been working towards.
Your wincon is to control 50% of the vote.
My wincon is to control 50% of the vote.
I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.
After today we currently sit at 2-1-1
We kill town tonight and the day starts 1-1-1
We go into the thread tomorrow and vote out town together.
We don't even have to talk or argue because together we have a functional majority. We can just walk into the thread tomorrow and throw our votes down. Day ends, 0-1-1
We both control 50% of the vote.
Joint scum win.
Sounds pretty good to me and it's well earned for both of us.
All you have to do is go along with it.
Do we have a deal?
Good evening.
This is probably going to be a little awkward because you thought the game would be over now.
I can explain.
The game didn't end when the day did because we don't have majority. But we can if you hear me out.
I have a confession to make and a deal to offer.
I am the bastard element in this bastard game.
I'm not really a Foxhound, I'm a Patriot.
I don't count towards your numbers - I count towards ours. We don't have a faction kill because I can use yours.
You kept hunting for The Last Patriot and I was sitting here next to you.
I refused to slip because if I had you would have known the numbers didn't add up last night, and I couldn't offer this deal to two of you.
It only works when there's one.
I needed us to be even.
Fwiw I felt like dirt for making Monkey tank that death, but I couldn't throw my team's wincon when it was in sight.
But now?
You and I are the last of our factions.
If we work together we can both still win.
That's what I've been working towards.
Your wincon is to control 50% of the vote.
My wincon is to control 50% of the vote.
I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.
After today we currently sit at 2-1-1
We kill town tonight and the day starts 1-1-1
We go into the thread tomorrow and vote out town together.
We don't even have to talk or argue because together we have a functional majority. We can just walk into the thread tomorrow and throw our votes down. Day ends, 0-1-1
We both control 50% of the vote.
Joint scum win.
Sounds pretty good to me and it's well earned for both of us.
All you have to do is go along with it.
Do we have a deal?
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Lol
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Oh, I received and started the day oops lol
Ephidel
How do you do, fellow mafia?
So. Unfortunately there are more shenanigans.
I lied before.
We can't actually win together.
Sorry?
I'm going to submit this command and I have no idea if Nat will accept it, but if he doesn't what's the worst that can happen? You shoot me instead?
I'm bulletproof.
KILL: Kopite
I lied before.
We can't actually win together.
Sorry?
I'm going to submit this command and I have no idea if Nat will accept it, but if he doesn't what's the worst that can happen? You shoot me instead?
I'm bulletproof.
KILL: Kopite