Should I be insulted by this idea that I wasn't trusted to explain my own post?Idk what to tell you ur association with Chuggs doomed you in my eyes. I already said it was less what you said but how you both said and the timing of it that stuck out to me. It felt like a canned response that was pre-discussed.
The phase "why would scum do X" as a gotcha is a boring why to play. I don't all the answers and but I don't find that a helpful phrase and it just shuts down a discussion.
Idk why scum does what scum does especially not on d1.
Should I be insulted by this idea that I wasn't trusted to explain my own post?
That's a weird question, why would you ask me that when I said I believe Ty slipped? I wasn't on him because of the conversation that was happening, I am on him because I believe he is scum. And I intend to stay there.@HPSauce, @Geno and @Alexem why are your votes still on Ty? Since the conversation has moved off, and the rest of the voting is largely today vs yesterday (in the split of the current mafia days 48 hr period), im looking for why you three haven’t moved yet.
So null, i didn't even make the null list :(I'm never gonna play in a way yall like. I ain't here to please.
Town:
Mel(on) - def a real one.
Leaning to town:
Fran - feels like the real problem solver and trying to generate helpful engagement from ppl. This is how I remember Fran as town to be.
Sorian - seems frustrated and tired of town being so town-y and I can relate. He came away best from round 1 with chuggs and again with (limited) pressure from sneeks.
Wiz - Having a bit of fun with some of the quest and mechanic talk but I feel it's from a genuine place.
Neon - Idk if I played with them before but I like how they handled themselves under pressure and their reads felt like a real attempt to solve.
Alexem - not a super strong lean at all. but has done some solving to separate from the null stack of coasters.
Probably not town but whatever:
Cap - a lot of spiraling for a joke but I do think something is here and I so want to see how it plays out.
Ty - that read list felt like from the future with all the support and backing for ppl and just didn't describe the d1 we've had at all. I do think the slip was an honest mistake or an assumption made based on their own role but I don't think that automatically makes Ty scum. Maybe a xp thief ?
Feeling bad about outside the trio (Chuggs, Sneeks and HP):
TWE - mostly vibes.
Febe - flying more under the radar that I would expect for Town!Febe.
Turm - active in the beginning but I don't feel like they're doing much to solve.
After sleeping on it I feel slightly better about Chuggs, worse about Sneeks and the exact same about HP who gave me little else to work with.
This stack of null at the bottom sucks:
Geno
Muffin
Blarg
Nin
Zipped
Natiko
Where I'm at rn.
Just pretend the mel at the top was mal instead. You're a real one.So null, i didn't even make the null list :(
Why do you believe he's scum? is it just the slip, is it the followup, his behavior after? Any of that moved the needle at all?That's a weird question, why would you ask me that when I said I believe Ty slipped? I wasn't on him because of the conversation that was happening, I am on him because I believe he is scum. And I intend to stay there.
I refresh every like 20 minutes or so when I'm sitting on the computer, but most of the time I don't have anything to addGeno really does only appear when someone says his name huh. This tells me you are more present than you're letting on.
Unless a cop comes with a green check or some other mechanic clears him he is scum, I don't care what he posts.Why do you believe he's scum? is it just the slip, is it the followup, his behavior after? Any of that moved the needle at all?
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Who hasn't checked in? TWE, Geno, Blarg, Melon and Zipped?
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Man, I don't really like this. I ask for some reads and get Sneeks, Chuggs and Sorian which I appreciate even if they didn't have much meat behind them but then we have Blarg, Geno and Nin who, let's be honest here, are the easiest reads to make because there is nothing there but fluff. And then he would start pushind D2, why not D1? Why let it be an extra day? This wasn't what I was hoping when asking for reads (that's why I asked Zipped to skip the coaster and give some better reads).(I'd like to see Blarg and Geno and Nin actually... contribute and post more. I'll chalk this up to time differences for the time being, but I hope to see some contributions from them when I wake up, or I'd be starting to push their feet to the flames in D2.)
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(I didn't know Blarg and Geno were in this game lol)
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I'm ignoring Blarg because if he does start posting, he is easy to read anyway
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- I'm happy Blarg is here, leave him alone until day 3 and we can do the usual easy read of him.
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Gonna need to see Blarg and Geno show up sooner rather than later too
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I don't love Blarg and Geno being MIA though I appreciate stuff happens so I'm not gonna read too much into that *yet*.
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Does @Blargonaut know the game has started? lmao
Oh Blarg is in this game :o
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Nothing
Blargonaut - Come join us
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i missed you blarg it's good to see you
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[He/Him] Blargonaut - UTC+8 - Bro meme'd and then dipped. Give him a Day or two to start solving. If he doesn't? Kill him.
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Null. Don't know what to make of him given the lack of activity and their randomness.
Blargonaut
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I would like to hear more from nin and interested in what 4D chess blarg is playing with Amazon reviews.
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- Blarg is Blarg. He usually talks sense when it comes to the crunch, though, so I'm hoping he has more to say today.
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(Blarg. I agree. He's always hard to read, but here in particular felt even less informative than usual. He claimed he was breadcrumbing, but it's unclear where the loaf ends up. I hope he posts more before I retire for the evening.)
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(I'd like to see Blarg and Geno and Nin actually... contribute and post more. I'll chalk this up to time differences for the time being, but I hope to see some contributions from them when I wake up, or I'd be starting to push their feet to the flames in D2.)
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I would leave Blarg alone for the simple reason I find his post style amusing and I am not sorry about this.
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And then there's also some holes in my brain like The Wizard, Zipped and Blarg. No read on those yet. Not even sure who else I'm missing.
Unless a cop comes with a green check or some other mechanic clears him he is scum, I don't care what he posts.
I explained earlier on, but to recap - I feel there's have a reason to vote for Ty in that there's a question I'd like an answer to, whereas I don't really feel strongly about the other contending options and I'd rather vote with some kind of reason in my head than just based on vibes.@HPSauce, @Geno and @Alexem why are your votes still on Ty? Since the conversation has moved off, and the rest of the voting is largely today vs yesterday (in the split of the current mafia days 48 hr period), im looking for why you three haven’t moved yet.
captain’s vote, while I disagree with it, is at least recent.
I dunno it’s just weird
How is that question different from what I asked? He answered.Morning everyone.
I assume you are a more firm believer in the fact that his mechanics error was a slip and you are sticking to that.
While I also don't buy 100% that, I think that tunnel visioning on this as a black/white scum town read is a bit rash. Do you have any reasons beyond the mechanics thing? Something about his reads bugging you?
He answered with a non answer. His response was the equivalent of "unless someone brings solid evidence that is unavailable right now, I'm not moving from here". It reads as obstinately deflecting to me.How is that question different from what I asked? He answered.
Sell me on muffin. I’m on my phone and too lazy to hunt down posts.Oh Alex has three votes. I don’t know I’ve cooled on that a bit, but I don’t hate that one.
Anyway someone should come vote for Muffin and see what shakes out could be fun!
How would you read Geno after I flip town?I still think Ty just flips town but god this feels so much like a Geno bus it’s making me second guess it
That's not a non-answer. Feels pretty clear to me. What's the point of asking the same thing.He answered with a non answer. His response was the equivalent of "unless someone brings solid evidence that is unavailable right now, I'm not moving from here". It reads as obstinately deflecting to me.
Your entrance into the game literally happened like 20 minutes after a couple of us commented that we forgot you were in the game. So it's the second time.But also that was like the first time it happened so idk about the "only appears when summoned" thing
Mostly because I'd like to read his reasoning in more detail. Something beyond his rush-ahead style.That's not a non-answer. Feels pretty clear to me. What's the point of asking the same thing.
He absolutely refuses to elaborate on his Geno vote. He won't give any reads aside from the one town read he put down (Geno wasn't even a scum read prior, he just made the vote and said vibes) and he didn't even start with any of the stuff until after I voted him and put a little pressure, before that he was coasting with fluff posts and more just commenting on current events like you instead of actually giving his opinion on it.Sell me on muffin. I’m on my phone and too lazy to hunt down posts.
Stop, you’re making me townread him more lolHe absolutely refuses to elaborate on his Geno vote. He won't give any reads aside from the one town read he put down (Geno wasn't even a scum read prior, he just made the vote and said vibes) and he didn't even start with any of the stuff until after I voted him and put a little pressure, before that he was coasting with fluff posts and more just commenting on current events like you instead of actually giving his opinion on it.
Sell me on muffin. I’m on my phone and too lazy to hunt down posts.
What is Peak?that's because chuggs is actually good at Peak. unlike mafia
How would you read Geno after I flip town?
What is Peak?
That’s not what I expected it to be lmaoit’s a dumb mountain climbing game I’ve played with like 3 people here lol
I like it, looks like a real progression to me. In particular, I think the paranoia around a jester -feels towny if someone thinks they caught a slip but is thinking through if it’s too obvious.What do you think of HPSauce's vote?
Why don’t you like turmoil? If you said before you can just summarize without rehashing it.Turmoil keeps voting for people that I suspect too and then it spooks me a bit because I don't like Turmoil much this game.
Add me to the confused at why Turm is still a main wagon groupWhy don’t you like turmoil? If you said before you can just summarize without rehashing it.
You asked me the same question, Fireblend is right.Morning everyone.
I assume you are a more firm believer in the fact that his mechanics error was a slip and you are sticking to that.
While I also don't buy 100% that, I think that tunnel visioning on this as a black/white scum town read is a bit rash. Do you have any reasons beyond the mechanics thing? Something about his reads bugging you?
So you basically think I was lying that I didn't know day started then? Like I wouldn't have even popped to say a hello before? I was mentioned by HP almost 3 hours before the post that "summoned" me. You know that' it's pretty unfair to count that as an example of what you're saying.Your entrance into the game literally happened like 20 minutes after a couple of us commented that we forgot you were in the game. So it's the second time.
Not enough for me to want to vote him but he had a weird line yesterday about Chuggs doing everything in his power to keep the game about Ty and not let the thread move on and I felt like that didn't really characterize Chuggs much, I feel like that would have applied to other player's better. I've also seen other comments and reads where it's like he's thinking about one player but he says someone else instead. It gives me the vibe of someone just skimming the thread and not too concerned about solving.Why don’t you like turmoil? If you said before you can just summarize without rehashing it.
Okay, I can see that argument. Hell - it feels like in those couple of posts alone there’s inconsistency in how he shades Turm for the XP stuff but at the same time is openly voting saying he needs XP lolHe's been around, but hasn't really tried to push the game forward.
This is the only post with actual substance:
And it's basically just switching from one low hanging fruit to another low hanging fruit.
His earlier vote on Turmoil was just a meme vote, but he later tries to justify it anyway:
To be fair I progressed from a light scum lean from early reactions to feeling improvement in your posts since then, and tbh I feel pretty justified in that given the post in question that pinged me as scummy vs your contributions since then.Woke up and caught up, I should be here through the end of the day. Right now Turm, Muffin, Neon and Melon are the ones I wouldn't mind flipping; Turm because of the reasons I've already explained (I really didn't like their posts asking for us to "move on" from ty when they happened, and the later one saying he liked my reasons for voting him (?)), Muffin because he seems pretty non-committal so far and unlike other posters that have been posting but haven't given me much to go on (like Cap), the vibes are kinda off, Neon because I do think their initial ty post was bad and then when I applied some pressure he couldn't explain themselves well, it was almost like they were recycling Ty's misreading excuse, and finally Melon is the most vibes based one but the rapid posting and alternating between joke comments and kind of responding to what's happening but in a sort of superficial way of the last two pages doesn't sit super right with me. I also disagree with her scum team.
Captain I wouldn't vote for. Not that he's being pressured but I feel like he reads as kind of trying to get a sense for the game still. I would be much more interested in seeing how he plays after N1.
Geno I also wouldn't vote for, he hasn't posted that much and so far he's been the Geno I know.
Nin, I always kind of get bad vibes from his play and posting style so probably wouldn't try to turn over that stone just yet.
Chuggs vs Sneeks felt like a whole lot of nothing to me. Maybe I did get pocketed by Chuggs but I don't see anything so far to suggest he'd be a good flip even if he's the weakest of my town reads. Sorian and Sneeks I'm also ok with, and Fran also feels good.
For the others I have to go back and read. Natiko and Alexem are two that I've thought I could be convinced to vote for, rereading the last page, but I have to make sure I'm not just reading y'all's list and borrowing your opinions lol. Natiko did make me wonder when he removed his vote for me after applying the softest pressure ever, and then consistently town reading me, but I don't think there's quite enough there.
And then there's also some holes in my brain like The Wizard, Zipped and Blarg. No read on those yet. Not even sure who else I'm missing.
I mean if someone comes out with proof someone else other than Ty is scum then I'm going there, otherwise Ty. I know some of you will hate me for this, that I'm so fixated on him, I'm not sure if it's ruining the game or something, but it's just what I believe.@Geno if you can answer me this:
Let's say that we don't lynch Ty today and he is around D2 (and for the sake of this hypothetical situation we both the lynch and NK are town) what would you do tomorrow:
A- Keep tunnelling
B- Move on
Does @Geno still refuse to post on day 1?
(I didn't know Blarg and Geno were in this game lol)
Natiko's opening has been very Natiko coded. I will not elaborate further on what that means since I would just go into a wormhole of meta but it's at least a slight town read from me.
I'm here, forgot day started, let me catch up. Favorite RPG is Super Mario RPG
There's a chance he just got like a very crappy role in his first game after 2-3 years and was like, man...I really don't even wanna play, which could result potentially in what we're seeing.I feel like I got unlucky on my roll for this game but it happens sometimes.
You don’t feel very fixated on me for someone who thinks I’m 100% scumI mean if someone comes out with proof someone else other than Ty is scum then I'm going there, otherwise Ty. I know some of you will hate me for this, that I'm so fixated on him, I'm not sure if it's ruining the game or something, but it's just what I believe.
Everyone does that, you really think whenever someone opens the thread that means they post? Nothing was happening let's be real.I'm not going to argue semantics with you Geno, your post here is at 10:15 my time and my post and Natiko's post are at 9:52 and 9:57 so yes, it looked a little scummoning. I'm not going to go down the rabbit hole of accusing you of lying about game start because it's unprovable anyway but you've already self-admitted that you refresh the thread fairly regularly but largely don't say anything because you have nothing to add.
Very well then. I'm not pushing against that wall any more. Carry on.You asked me the same question, Fireblend is right.
I'll take any scrap, you say a lot of "us"Anyway for something other than Ty since a lot of us don't like Muffin,
There's a chance he just got like a very crappy role in his first game after 2-3 years and was like, man...I really don't even wanna play, which could result potentially in what we're seeing.
Ok, still not getting the big scumread against muffin. Sure he’s not the towniest player, but he seems pretty middle of the road. He’s more being lazy and playing his own game rather than struggling to produce content, at least that’s how I read it.
I mean if someone comes out with proof someone else other than Ty is scum then I'm going there, otherwise Ty. I know some of you will hate me for this, that I'm so fixated on him, I'm not sure if it's ruining the game or something, but it's just what I believe.
Do you have any thoughts around the reactions to the slip given your confidence? Anyone stand out from that perspective?Unless a cop comes with a green check or some other mechanic clears him he is scum, I don't care what he posts.
Given work, I probably won't be around for EOD.
My eye is still on TWE for his not really activity playstyle. I'm not moving my vote from my corner even if it doesn't lead anywhere today.
Very well then. I'm not pushing against that wall any more. Carry on.
Anyway for something other than Ty since a lot of us don't like Muffin,
There's a chance he just got like a very crappy role in his first game after 2-3 years and was like, man...I really don't even wanna play, which could result potentially in what we're seeing.
Couldn't be me. Ima use those xp for myself regardless of how little useful I am, even if we could share, where is the fun in that
I said so on Post 764I'll take any scrap, you say a lot of "us"
Does that mean you also do not like Muffin this game?
Well you are talking to me so maybe you don't want me to answer but you go silent for way longer than the average player would.Everyone does that, you really think whenever someone opens the thread that means they post? Nothing was happening let's be real.
Good catch, I didn't see that, that makes him look even worseThat doesn't sound like someone who hates his role.
I'm not going to mince words, I think Geno plays better than this when he's scum which leans me heavily to town on his spot.I'm just not sure if this just stubborn Town!Geno or it's scum!Geno finding something to latch on to avoid interacting with the game.
Honestly I wouldn't be bothered if Geno ends as today lynch. I don't think that I would vote there but I would understand if someone does.
(Bro why aren't posts saved when I change pages? Is it my browser or what? It annoys me)
Ah fair, I did read this when I woke up, thank you.I also don't like the Muffin vote on me and not because it's me but because it feels like trying to play but not wanting to so he throws a vote randomly.
Says Chuggs is defensive for D1, Chuggs asks him, ok what about the other 19. He says he doesn't know
, then later he votes for me, Sorian asks for him to elaborate and Muffin says nah.
Post #298Wherefore art Ty4on's elucidatory retort as to his foible again? I dither
Post #298
I think forgetting a game start is 100% in line with something human Geno would do so I don't think it's read worthy.Would scum Geno ghost the thread for close to a full IRL day?
De nadaMucho obligation
On mobile right now, so my responses won't be as good.why. Do you townread everyone else that looks viable right now
On mobile right now, so my responses won't be as good.
Not really. I still scumread turm and both ty and cap strike me as neutral leaning towards scum right now. But the thunderdome situation that we gave right now has me doubtful since the votes being evenly split makes me think that the conversation has been funneled towards protecting one of the three.
If I changed votes to one of the 3, it' d probably be for turm. But since TWE is also voting for him, I'm not sure if I'd be making the right choice given that I've got reasons to suspect both.
Not sure if I'm explaining myself correctly.
I guess it's a combination of being afraid of a mislynch and being unsure of all the options.Are you that confident on TWE being scum that you don't want to be on the same vote as him? What if he's busing? I'm just trying to understand the point of being off wagon when you have people you wouldn't mind getting out up for a vote
Someone did say earlier that’s exactly what was going to happen, I forget whoHonestly the way Zipped popped in posted up to 10 and then dipped has absolutely rattled me
Someone did say earlier that’s exactly what was going to happen, I forget who
I really don't like the "turm always gets voted out D1" argument because I don't want to reward what I'm perceiving as bad play.
...where did you get that from? Did you misread what Ty wrote? Because that's not what he said he was confused about at all.It's a bit of a stretch, imo, to confuse echange of points and exanging players.
This is too quiet.
Nin is the only one non voting I think.
@nin1000 are you going to vote this day hermano?
I guess it's a combination of being afraid of a mislynch and being unsure of all the options.
I remember you as more active in prior games. So feels a little off.Can you elaborate on me flying under the radar?
Maybe? I'm reading through Alexem right now brb@Fireblend Want to hop on Neon with me
I'm not sure what you mean by this.Should I be insulted by this idea that I wasn't trusted to explain my own post?
Reread through Neon's posts and so far I still think they're sus but I'm surprised by how much I think his early post-fluff posts were ok. It's really everything after Ty said they had misread the rules that soured me on them, and there's very little after that to move the needle back to ok.
@Neon I don't think you ever answered this. In that post you said:
...where did you get that from? Did you misread what Ty wrote? Because that's not what he said he was confused about at all.
This reads to me like you don't want to be attached to a miskill. These things happen in mafia
Oops.So null, i didn't even make the null list :(