Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
I believed your excuses though. This is why I try not to townread based on tone. I was completely ignoring my instincts there.
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Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Oh, I thought town would have 3 left and was making a bad joke :>
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Oh, guess I didn't see it. I wonder why he held out so long if he was just vanilla?
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Next day phase will be 3v1. Faddy, FEP, Oliver James, and Zipped.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
I was so disappointed that noone called me out for that.
We didn't know that at the time :(
Ty pls :p You're one of the strongest towns in MafiEra, and I can't comment on your scum game because I remember you as town even in the games you weren't.
On a related note, I enjoyed seeing Brazil call town idiots for the first pages and then being completely wrong in the next pages :p
Just quoting this for Faddy.
Franconp
Frank
I think in this case is best if they wait the 24hs. If they start right away the phase will run during the weekend, were activity usually is low. This way at least they will have the deadline at monday.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Sometimes, it's up to the gamerunner I think.
Ideally you'd let players know before the day ended, but there wasn't a chance for that here.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
no u
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I miss a good tunnel tho ._.
I sometimes wonder if blowback from bad tunnels has stopped me really digging into players I find suspicious.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
We could have potentially done an early start, but it slipped my mind because I was laughing too hard.
Too late now, sadly.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
I read the recruitment thread first and was like "why is Splinter requesting spec thread".
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I wonder if zipped would dare to be the one entertaining the ninja theory
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
lol, that's way too risky and no real need to since he knows he is town and the only one confirmed green
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Sawneeks
little green dog
Really the smart move here is to almost just completely disregard everything Splinter says. He made 3 different claims on who he checked and Town really has no way to verify which is true or not so it's nearly pointless to make sense of it. Either you believe one of the two red checks and hammer those people or you believe the green check and don't hammer...
No Lynch isn't too bad either honestly. Narrow the pool down a bit to see who still lives.
No Lynch isn't too bad either honestly. Narrow the pool down a bit to see who still lives.
*Nods*
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Who would replace a true claim with a false one?
It should be obvious that the only true claim - if any - is the one on Zipped. Hopefully they either decide they were all fake or consider scum counter roles, because otherwise we're boned.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
They aren't even considering the possibility of a ninja....
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Faddy should be 100% trusted for the Terra lynch, that would make a no lynch pointless since he'll just die.
My previous claims should be overwritten by the most recent as the only one that's possibly true, and even that should be in doubt due to the turbo.
None of this is happening and now I remember why I couldn't bear the thought of another phase with the remaining players.
My previous claims should be overwritten by the most recent as the only one that's possibly true, and even that should be in doubt due to the turbo.
None of this is happening and now I remember why I couldn't bear the thought of another phase with the remaining players.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
He's kinda in a precarious spot and the green check comment is arguably a scum slip.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Didn't you want to lynch Faddy yesterday? :thinking:
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Town's only hope is that Oliver picks up on the fact that Zipped is so casually accepting this lynch. Classic scum move right there, but he might not see it.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
How often does scum tunnel?
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
He's as wrong as it's possible to be, and still my only hope.
y e s
Also: has ANYONE ever been right when, as town, they insist on the absolute certainty of something? I feel like this is how town's ass forever gets bitten XD
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Two games? I've only been scum in one game!
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
nono
I nailed you in those games. I remember clear as day. I think it was your birthday or something in one of those games.
Sawneeks
little green dog
No one would, but since we don't normally have this they are looking at all the claims and not just the last one in the sequence.
They expected you to be telling the truth, not be lying to them about the checks. Seeing how certain you were on the Faddy check they're taking it just at face value.
tl;dr don't lie as Town
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Sawneeks
little green dog
Why would you lie about your checks though? Especially a Red Check? Town is always grasping for info so why fuel that fire with false info?
Phrasing.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
gambit for information
not to die with a fake check, but put something out there and see if it trips scum or confirms town
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Talking it out and then no lynching is the logical solution for Mylo in general, unless you have reason to believe the game won't enter Lylo.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
I'm not defending the fake red checks, that was bad play
BUT
Faddy's reaction to his red check gave me another reason to townread him. His response wouldn't make sense for scum unless he guessed I was bluffing and that I'd retract it. It's the reason I withdrew it.
Same with feps, and he had even less reason to think I was bluffing since I did him first.
Sawneeks
little green dog
Hm. Understandable.
Splinter did you expect them to turn around and lynch you so fast? Reading your conclusions here it seems like you had more in mind to do before they murdered you.
Help them OJ, you're their only hope.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Did anyone lol
If he doesn't see the light in this phase, then it's game over. Both FEP and Faddy are in full-on thunderdome mode against one another.
Zipped will probably be able to choose who to turbo.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
None of it was really planned.
I had the green check on Zipped, so at the start of the phase I thought feps must be the last scum.
I took one look at Faddy tunnelling and thought "fuck this, I'm lynching feps right now".
The rest was improv, but I knew I wouldn't have long before the turbo. I looked like caught scum.
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Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Yeeeah uh no. :p
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
He might forget!
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Exactly!
Speaking of that we should probably have mandatory kills in normal games. It's possible to have rare ties where town nolynches because even player count and mafia doesn't kill anyone.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
That was an interesting thread.
I found some of the questioning of my tactics pretty bad to be honest. town circles work and is a legitimate idea. in fact it is a huge part of why DCPat got caught. I gave him a hard unearned town read and while I am being townie he can never mislynch me without looking terrible.
Also some really bad reads here as well :-) Kalor was almost never scum with the way he retracted his claim.
L_P is always the lynch vs Grizzly. When I said I was lynching him because he is never being NK'd and then he claims Bodyguard. It was too much, especially with no N1 claim. He had to die.
Splinter living because he is mafia v Splinter living because mafia has a ninja. If anything Splinter is the mafia MVP because we had no chance of pulling it out once he gave out his fake checks.
My Splinter tunnel was amazing and everything I said made sense.
One thing I will directly respond to.
That is not against the rules. Like explicitly not.
4. Within reason, you are allowed to lie about any game material or game-related conversations that could conceivably have appeared outside this thread [such as the content of role PMs or private chats allowed by a role]. If unsure whether a lie is reasonable, please ask the game-runner.
The only thing real in those posts was that I got a warning. I can lie about any aspect of that conversation and people have to read whether it is a lie or not. As long as I don't directly quote/screenshot it is fair game imo.
I found some of the questioning of my tactics pretty bad to be honest. town circles work and is a legitimate idea. in fact it is a huge part of why DCPat got caught. I gave him a hard unearned town read and while I am being townie he can never mislynch me without looking terrible.
Also some really bad reads here as well :-) Kalor was almost never scum with the way he retracted his claim.
L_P is always the lynch vs Grizzly. When I said I was lynching him because he is never being NK'd and then he claims Bodyguard. It was too much, especially with no N1 claim. He had to die.
Splinter living because he is mafia v Splinter living because mafia has a ninja. If anything Splinter is the mafia MVP because we had no chance of pulling it out once he gave out his fake checks.
My Splinter tunnel was amazing and everything I said made sense.
One thing I will directly respond to.
That is not against the rules. Like explicitly not.
4. Within reason, you are allowed to lie about any game material or game-related conversations that could conceivably have appeared outside this thread [such as the content of role PMs or private chats allowed by a role]. If unsure whether a lie is reasonable, please ask the game-runner.
The only thing real in those posts was that I got a warning. I can lie about any aspect of that conversation and people have to read whether it is a lie or not. As long as I don't directly quote/screenshot it is fair game imo.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
For me it is always the people on my vote, I don't think anyone even suggested doing anything else until Splinter fake solved the game.
And at that point who cares, we lynch Splinter, we lynch FEP and that is a win. FEP and Oliver read it as lynch Splinter, lynch me and win.
Once Splinter flips not trusting his checks is stupid. Constructing a narrative where Splinter is straight up spouting bullshit for no reason is pointless.
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
OG town, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just maintaining the status quo.
Lol, that smarts. Yeah, should probably always do the nl in mylo
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
It turns out this would’ve been the best move Town could make.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
You're right, it's much more reasonable to believe that I had 5 checks in 4 nights. My two conflicting red checks on the last day totally solved the game. Turboing me when I couldn't possibly be scum and my claim was unclear was fantastic play. Etc. Etc.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
And FTR I only have fake checks because YOU wouldn't talk about anything else. You spent the entire previous phase pushing for verification lynch on me or a no lynch, and you went straight back to it in my last phase.
We had 3 suspects and 2 lynches available, we lynched none of them and couldn't even discuss them while you were filling the thread with ridiculously unlikely theories about scum wasting a kill.
I had equally unlikely theories about you being scum btw. But the scum protecting the arsonist was so much more likely that pushing that edge case would lead to a loss more often than a win, so I didn't.
If you had been scum? *shrug* gg well played. Not worth worrying about at that point, lynch the Faddy voters and we almost always win.
Last phases were unplayable for me. Maybe step out of your tunnel next time noone is interested in following it. So many fucking posts about a no lynch with minimal benefits. Even when you had Oliver as confirmed you still suggest a no lynch. For what? To watch him die? To make the final decision with one less trustworthy voice? I'm supposed to believe that's a town plan?
We had 3 suspects and 2 lynches available, we lynched none of them and couldn't even discuss them while you were filling the thread with ridiculously unlikely theories about scum wasting a kill.
I had equally unlikely theories about you being scum btw. But the scum protecting the arsonist was so much more likely that pushing that edge case would lead to a loss more often than a win, so I didn't.
If you had been scum? *shrug* gg well played. Not worth worrying about at that point, lynch the Faddy voters and we almost always win.
Last phases were unplayable for me. Maybe step out of your tunnel next time noone is interested in following it. So many fucking posts about a no lynch with minimal benefits. Even when you had Oliver as confirmed you still suggest a no lynch. For what? To watch him die? To make the final decision with one less trustworthy voice? I'm supposed to believe that's a town plan?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Splinter you are off the rails man.
You are trying to say it was obvious your checks were fake when it really wasn't.
Night 1: Oliver , Night 2: Kalor , Night 3: Zipped , Night 4: FEP then you switch to me and it just looks like you are taunting me as the final mafia. All 3 surviving town players believed it.
Your unwillingness to co-operate when most of my town reads are willing to lynch Terra, then you vote on me to put me 1 from Turbo and then vote off wagon and last second untie it is all shady as hell. I was a single vocal player who thought you were scummy, I was wrong. But there was no opportunity for anyone in town to correct that mistake because you put fake red checks into the game.
If the last phases were unplayable, then don't play. But don't lie and wreck the game for everyone else.
You are trying to say it was obvious your checks were fake when it really wasn't.
Night 1: Oliver , Night 2: Kalor , Night 3: Zipped , Night 4: FEP then you switch to me and it just looks like you are taunting me as the final mafia. All 3 surviving town players believed it.
Your unwillingness to co-operate when most of my town reads are willing to lynch Terra, then you vote on me to put me 1 from Turbo and then vote off wagon and last second untie it is all shady as hell. I was a single vocal player who thought you were scummy, I was wrong. But there was no opportunity for anyone in town to correct that mistake because you put fake red checks into the game.
If the last phases were unplayable, then don't play. But don't lie and wreck the game for everyone else.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
I lied to get my scumreads lynched. That's Mafia. Fuck off with these "sabotage" accusations
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
And I tunneled to get mine so why are you pissed off with my tunnel?
The whole situation I was pushing was to lynch you without losing the game. Your play lost the game.
You sabotaged your town mates, it is a fact. You left a game state that was unsolvable. Your behaviour is worse than Kark in the invitational and the fact you cannot see that is even more damning.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I have a few thoughts about the overall game balance and why it was very much in mafia's favour.
I said this in the game thread but if the mod expects town to work out a ninja from a motion detector, then mafia should be expected to work it the other way and not use superfluous powers. That essentially nullifies the Motion Tracker until the ninja flips, but for town to know that the Motion Tracker has to claim. This logic is heavily in favour of mafia.
The arsonist mechanics don't make sense with the ninja. I can think of only a few plausible situations where mafia should use the power and none where the ninja is still alive. (it seems like they only did that because they had a player missing and Zipped says as much in the mafia thread) Maybe it is useful to make it a final 6 or final 4 and not allowing town to simply no lynch to reduce the options.
With the arsonist mechanic sidelined that basically makes Ty's role pretty useless for town.
So we have 1 odd night role cop and a bodyguard. That combination could have worked for town to get a 2nd check on day 4. But as a role cop it is flawed because it doesn't red check a goon.
So the town had no reasonable way to stop a kill and two investigators who couldn't completely trust their checks. That is a very mafia sided game in my opinion.
I said this in the game thread but if the mod expects town to work out a ninja from a motion detector, then mafia should be expected to work it the other way and not use superfluous powers. That essentially nullifies the Motion Tracker until the ninja flips, but for town to know that the Motion Tracker has to claim. This logic is heavily in favour of mafia.
The arsonist mechanics don't make sense with the ninja. I can think of only a few plausible situations where mafia should use the power and none where the ninja is still alive. (it seems like they only did that because they had a player missing and Zipped says as much in the mafia thread) Maybe it is useful to make it a final 6 or final 4 and not allowing town to simply no lynch to reduce the options.
With the arsonist mechanic sidelined that basically makes Ty's role pretty useless for town.
So we have 1 odd night role cop and a bodyguard. That combination could have worked for town to get a 2nd check on day 4. But as a role cop it is flawed because it doesn't red check a goon.
So the town had no reasonable way to stop a kill and two investigators who couldn't completely trust their checks. That is a very mafia sided game in my opinion.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I do think the criticism is valid as it pertains to lynching Splinter. The vote swapping last second, the missed check, and finally throwing out so many checks could easily be seen as trying to sow confusion as a scum that expects to be lynched. That being said I also think Splinter has a valid point that the next phase featured town players primarily discussing all of his “checks” right before the lynch which literally could not all be true. That’s where town fell apart. Don’t get me wrong, I still think even if town had correctly surmised that all red checks were fake and only the green check is real it turns out any different. The ninja role really fucked you all. I just think there were some missteps by Splinter, but also by the remaining town the following day phase.