Quick question: what's the advantage of dousing instead of night killing?
Other than creating distracting discussion?
Splinter just saved his own life at the last second. Modchat was flipping out, lol.
But the disavdantages are bigger it seems? There is also a (dead) counter to the arsonist, right? You need to leave more town around for at least one day phase. And what just happened of course.Delayed kill, basically. Gets around the bodyguard, and allows scum to get multiple kills at once.
But the disavdantages are bigger it seems? There is also a (dead) counter to the arsonist, right? You need to leave more town around for at least one day phase. And what just happened of course.
:thinking_face:Yeah. The drawbacks are pretty huge if your arsonist goes down before you ignite, as you basically lose all those nights you didn't kill.
Oh wow look at all these players around at day end.
Having been Scum before with a Delayed Kill at our disposal the urge to completely confuse and fuck over Town is very strong.I don't see why scum gambited on the delayed kill.
Like, the protective roles were dead, what were they going to fakeclaim?
We need to practise self-defense and daring to step out and defend those you think are town.Oh wow look at all these players around at day end.
Jumping votes around is the towniest thing in existence <3Splinter really jumped up my scum list for those votes. Jesus. I hope the terra lynch went through.
I think I got that after you flipped :')Jumping votes around is the towniest thing in existence <3
(I haven't read the day end stuff yet -_-)
I wouldn't say misguided.I think I got that after you flipped :')
But actually I was talking about how he went so in on lynching Fire after he claimed cop. I was thinking he could be scum who wouldn't mind taking one for the team if it got the cop lynched. But after thinking about it for a hot minute I'm probably reading him more as a misguided townie?
Wow, thank you so much for typing this up! It was super interesting and I definitely learned something. I hadn't considered that scum would have trouble developing reads but it makes a lot of sense, as does the being more careful with votes.This is something I'm really bad at, but if you take notes it can be worth it to look back at reads.
Say X does something you find really suspicious, but you remembered an old town read. Go back and read it, that can really help you either re-evaluate.
That game with Ouro is one where this really burned me. I was able to get a pretty strong town read on Sophia and Crimson, but eventually started tunneling hard on them. They were still town.
When I say town-read I mean something that's quite strong. Let's isolate on Faddy in this game. If he's scum that's some amazing fucking play, and on top of being hyped as fuck he's still getting votes so whatever he is doing isn't working. That's a very general overview kinda thing, but we can look a bit more in-depth and see some movement in his thoughts. *Splinter here is the one I noticed the most. First he town reads him D1, then he starts to get a bit more suspicious, then over D2 and D3 he regains trust in him. He's uncertain, his read is going through his head and he is changing his mind. Obviously a good scum can do an ok job faking this, but usually their reads are quite static and very much in text without a whole lot underneath the surface. I suck at this, but the good players will go through their thoughts and try to put themselves into their position to see how well them emphasize with them. For me it mostly comes when I see a post that I can really connect with and get their thought process. I'm not reading their reads, I'm jumping into their head and following the train of thought.
That turned into a town read ramble lol
I write a lot, but I'm not a particularly good player. I'm eyeing practise because I'm really bad at making reads and can get stuck in this no man's land kinda like D1 this game where I didn't have any strong reads and especially no strong scum reads.
Even wrong reads can be good. They help you learn.
That turned into a town read ramble lol
I write a lot, but I'm not a particularly good player. I'm eyeing practise because I'm really bad at making reads and can get stuck in this no man's land kinda like D1 this game where I didn't have any strong reads and especially no strong scum reads.
Even wrong reads can be good. They help you learn.
Yeah. You see from a spoiled perspective that there are clear ticks from scum, but it's the challenge of getting that right.Something I've noticed a lot too is we get a lot of hindsight bias when it comes to Spec Thread commentating on games. There's been a lot of people, myself included, that say how easy Scum is to see from here when in reality we would just be as lost and confused in the main thread.
That's something that really messed me up in Buffy and is one of the few things I want to try and improve on next time. Confidence in reads, Town or Scum, is difficult when you're supposed to look at the game with an apprehensive eye. Our Scum are typically very good at blending in and appearing Townie but part of me wonders if Townies played more, well, Townie we would be able to circumvent this issue. I've noticed we tend to get caught up on the littlest things that turn out to be nothing.
inb4 you finally roll mafia :PNext time I play a game I am definitely gonna try this town circle concept in execution.
inb4 you finally roll mafia :P
Haha!Fun fact: The one time I was going to sub in and become Mafia, circumstances came up and prevented me from subbing in.
The world literally does not want me to be Mafia.
Haha!
It's a blessing though. Town is much more fun and less stressful.
Haha!
It's a blessing though. Town is much more fun and less stressful.
Next game you and I play together let's do this. The more this idea is explained to me the more I really want to give it a shot and see how it goes.
I wonder.Who's going to be the NK tho?
Nice try scumneeks >:c
Post RestrictorWhat is the name of DCPat's role
Is *Splinter for real?
lmao
No no no, it's a High Level Scum tactic. Town is gonna eat it up for sure...He did indeed forget to send the command in...
He did indeed forget to send the command in...
Better than lying about itHe did indeed forget to send the command in...
it checks outFaddy is a good player to have around and bolster discussion, but you never listen to him
he's got mad theories.
Yeah. Scum wouldn't bring up Terra the way he did. I tunneled pretty hard against him, but the evidence kept piling up, haha.Looking at how Kalor acted yesterday, I think he's dropped a lot from my scum list. But that was some seriously scummy looking play in the beginning >:
Rn I think the last two scum are DC and Zipped. I really don't like the late vote and Zipped's posts just seem so weird to me. His one about DC and the Faddy vote looks really wrong especially.
Faddy would never tunnel on a pretty much confirmed townieit checks out
Yup. Pure insanity.it checks out
Use the normal NKSomeone needs to ask Faddy what was Splinter plan after claiming doused if the arsonist didn't die.
I would love to read what crazy theory he has.
Wait, I'm confused. Can scum get an additional kill by douse into ignite plus NK or do both arsonist functions override NK?
Oh, so it is an extra kill. That makes more sense.The way it was set up was scum would get the NK + any doused kills when they ignited.
He thinks a role cop and tracker in the same game doesn't make sense from a game design perspective. Therefore the circumstances don't make a big impact to his thinking.How can Faddy really believe scum didn't try to kill or douse someone N2? Town protective roles were dead, there is no reason at all to do this. The only way Splinter could've been scum was if getting doused didn't warn the player and he was faking it while another player got targeted N2, but with terra's flip we know that's impossible.
Oh, so it is an extra kill. That makes more sense.
It takes two nights to set up though. In that time you can kill the bodyguard and your target.Also bypasses the bodyguard entirely, in a sense.
It's the same reasoning that led LP's lynch. So weird for him to ignore that in favor of a game design argument this far into the game.He thinks a role cop and tracker in the same game doesn't make sense from a game design perspective. Therefore the circumstances don't make a big impact to his thinking.
The loss of a kill is explained by it being a big gamble.
It's a bit of a tunnel too :PIt's the same reasoning that led LP's lynch. So weird for him to ignore that in favor of a game design argument this far into the game.
He thinks a role cop and tracker in the same game doesn't make sense from a game design perspective. Therefore the circumstances don't make a big impact to his thinking.
The loss of a kill is explained by it being a big gamble.
I think Zipped is doing the right thing to give the team a chance, though I doubt it'll work.
Oh, definitely. And yeah. They probably lost the game by letting Terra get lynched.
Hey, my town read is all D1 toojust too many stubborn people right now. Faddy in cloud cuckoo motherduckville, and feps just basing off some frankly bizarre logic which goes back to D1 when there's been much more pressing stuff since.
Done. My bad.I hid my last post cause it was clear on spoilers and some still are uncertain of scum. Can you edit and requote me please, Brazil?
just too many stubborn people right now. Faddy in cloud cuckoo motherduckville, and feps just basing off some frankly bizarre logic which goes back to D1 when there's been much more pressing stuff since.
just too many stubborn people right now. Faddy in cloud cuckoo motherduckville, and feps just basing off some frankly bizarre logic which goes back to D1 when there's been much more pressing stuff since.
^ Take this @cabot! Going all the way back to Bar Mafia yeah
He has to be turboed with sign ups ending soon.eta: though I wonder if feps is trying to draw a kill so he can sign up for the other games
:lolfeps with the IT IS ABSOLUTELY THIS IT CANNOT BE ANYTHING ELSE IF YOU THINK IT'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU'RE CRAZY got me shaking my head over here.
eta: though I wonder if feps is trying to draw a kill so he can sign up for the other games
There are still many slots open in both games. He has time :PHe has to be turboed with sign ups ending soon.
There's an echo in that tunnel.Faddy is creating too much noise.