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[Rita Repulsa]

Alpha Fail Day 2

Well..

There goes my plans for this day phase.

I guess I need to rethink my scum reads.

I agree that the Red Ranger's vote that pushed things to a 3-way tie is one of the most suspect votes in the final stretch of Day 1. A three-way tie is a pretty advantageous position for scum, since it gives them plenty of opportunity to either nudge the vote in the direction they desire or just let town tip the scales in a new way.

That's easy, Finster was at the top of my priority list at the time. I think your vote was made at a time when there was a lot of activity going on, and I was catching up and still processing all of the discussion. At the time, I was still scum-reading the Green Ranger and Finster the most of all.

My comments on how your vote look suspicious are based on me just going back and skimming some of the late-day votes a few minutes ago. Other people did comment on it when it happened, but there was a lot else to comment on during those last few hours.

I'm not really following what you are getting at. As I said, you weren't high on my radar or priority list during the last few hours of Day 1. I called out that vote of yours based on a quick check of the Day 1 votes I made shortly after our current day phase started.

I voted on Goldar for two basic reasons:
1) I was present at the time of the end of the vote, so leaving my vote on Finster seemed rather pointless. While I was initially nervous about making a new vote in the hectic last few minutes, it ended up being way less hectic than I expected.
2) After going over the arguments over Goldar vs. Trini, I thought that Goldar was more likely to be scum. He tried for a last-second tie, or whatever the heck he was thinking. That is a pretty strange move when he wasn't yet the vote leader. On the other hand, I felt the arguments about Trini were pretty weak. So, I thought that lynching Goldar gave the better odds of hitting scum. Improving the vote buffer to dissuade any last-second vote shenanigans was also something I saw as being in town's interests.

I have no idea why you are trying to bring yourself into my vote, since you weren't a part of thinking at the time.

Make that "my thinking at the time".

I sometimes hate the no edit rule.

I have to admit, Red, that you have been aggressively defensive so far today. You have been quick to try and turn the conversation to yourself and the votes made on you at every turn. To be honest, it is raising some red flags for me (pardon the pun).

Can you elaborate? I know day 1 was messy, but what do you mean "for me"?

Rita, what about the Trini vote. It was pretty close in numbers, but do you think all of the votes on it were legit town?

Nevermind, I apparently asked a second too late.

I am in agreement with Trini and Skull here. These five players: Red, Blue, Green, Jason, and Tommy are good choices to put pressure on today.

As far as Finster goes, I admit that I was wrong yesterday. I had a pretty good feeling that they were scum, and now that they have been exonerated, I am still trying to find a new, better target to focus on.

As for why they were night-killed, I can only speculate. Finster feels like a more likely target for a vigilante than the scum team. The odds are low, but it is possible that the scum team's attack was blocked last night and someone else killed Finster. It is hard to be certain.

Nothing much other than idle speculation and the presumption that we have power roles in this game. I'm trying to be optimistic. There have been mafia games in the past where town's protective roles were very lucky.

Naturally, scum killing Finster is the most likely truth.

At this early stage of the game, and particularly after my bad reads on Finster, I think I will focus on using the votes from day 1 as my guideline. I have a general theory: that scum are most likely on the third or fourth vote on a lynch. That is the general tipping point where pressure votes and early suspicions start to get turned into a bandwagon.
On that basis, the most suspicious votes on Goldar are the vote made by the Red Ranger and the fourth vote made soon afterwards by the Green Ranger. It was those two votes that changed the entire nature of the lynch vote. Until that point, Trini was at five votes and the Jason lynch was just beginning to fall apart. The two votes on Goldar suddenly created a new viable alternative and immediately changed the whole coversation to "Goldar vs Trini".

Completely disregarding the two player's justifications for their votes, the votes themselves raise some suspicion.

Vote: Green Ranger

I'm picking Green because he never responded to my pressure vote yesterday. I'm open to moving it to Red if the situation changes.

The reason that I was trying to put pressure on the Green Ranger before is because I don't really think he has been doing much scum hunting. It feels like he is checking the thread regularly, posting every now and then to grab the low-hanging fruit, but otherwise keeping his head down. I found it suspicious.

Still, I am inclined to try and relying more on analyzing votes than my gut reads at the moment.

As usual, a couple new pages have popped up while I was asleep.

It doesn't look like anyone really agrees with my reasoning. That's fine, but what bothers me is that it feels like a lot of people are scum reading various people like the Red Ranger, but never putting down votes to back up those scum reads. Why make scum reads at all if half of you are just waiting until the last couple hours to bandwagon?

I mean, I do understand that. But it feels like there are people who have been listed on the scum lists of multiple players who rarely pick up votes because no one is taking the initiative on pushing them.

I don't actually disagree with the two current vote leaders: Jason and Trini. However, I am worried that we are letting a lot of potential scum candidates slip by without much pressure at all.

To clarify my comments on Jason and Trini, I think there are good arguments about both of them.

For Trini, I can't shake the feeling that the Goldar push may have been done to save her from a lynch. I was slightly town reading her yesterday, but now I am less sure of that now. A lot of the other players have been making good arguments about her.

As far as Jason goes, the main case against him has been his erratic and inconsistent reads on people: reading them town one moment and scum the next. Now, I didn't think his Day 1 activity was necessarily scummy so much as haphazard. However, his sudden and poorly-explained changes in reads and such continue to be head-turning.

Neither player is my strongest scum read. However, it feels like no one here will be satisfied unless one or the other is lynched. Still, if one of the two (or both) flips scum, I think it is worth looking into the Red or Green rangers for pushing the Goldar vote on Day 1.

Right now, I think Zack and Rita are my strongest town reads. I liked them yesterday, and I still like them today. It is because I town read them like that that I am inclined to agree with their Trini push.

Okay, I have to say that those are two of strangest picks I can think of for strong town reads. Blue is one of those players I can't get a read on at all, and Tommy was just replaced.

I am feeling worse and worse about the Black Ranger the longer this day goes on. I don't understand his game right now at all, but it no longer feels town.


I would be happy to fix that for you, if you like. My choice between voting you or Green was practically a coun toss.

Make that "coin toss". Typing is hard.

Maybe no one saw it, since it was at the bottom of the page?

Do you really think the Black Ranger is scum, or are you just messing with people's heads here?

@Tommy
I did respond to Green's questioning. It came down to not wanting to stay on a dead end lynch when I had an opinion that Goldar was more likely to be scum. In the end, I was wrong about both Finster and Goldar.

Last I checked, you don't even have a vote down yet today.

Mostly because last minute voting can come very quickly, and I am a slow typer on mobile. In the end, things were slower than I initially feared.

So who are you reading as scum? Your vote is still on the Red Ranger. Do you plan on leaving it there for now?

Just got back from lunch, will be here til the end.

I am tempted to swing my vote over to Red. I was suspicious earlier, and I don't like his tendency to save a vote for the last minute to make specific lynchs happen.

I was okay with the Trini vs Jason showdown since it might resolve some questions, but if I can catch one of my big scum reads I'll go for it.

Vote: Red Ranger

Hold on, what?

I am terribly confused right now.

Oh I see.

Vote: Green Ranger

Are we still on standby?

I've been pushing him as one of my scum all day. I just happened to be wrong. Again.

I clearly need to step up my game.

Is it the fact that I am voting for you?

What's the vote count at?

I'm not sure why I am being singled out as a swing vote here when about three people swung their votes pretty much at once.

I've had my vote on you since Day 1.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

If he even can? 9 times out of 10, a doctor cant.

If he can't, I don't underrstand why he'd be withholding info. His death is all but assured if he can't.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

OH BOY. LOOK AT HOW PANICKY ALPHA 5 GOT WHEN PEOPLE WERE DISCUSSING HIM AS A SWING VOTE

That's like, totally not suspicious at all or anything.

There's also this post, which reeks of "Hey I'm not scummy! Look I had my vote on you since Day 1 after all!" on what is now a cop-checked player.

Then we have here, where Jason suddenly became a scum read, but not the strongest scum read. This is right about the time when Jason had four votes on him. Very suspicious.

What do you think, Billy? This doesn't look good to me.

 

[Billy]

OH BOY. LOOK AT HOW PANICKY ALPHA 5 GOT WHEN PEOPLE WERE DISCUSSING HIM AS A SWING VOTE

That's like, totally not suspicious at all or anything.

There's also this post, which reeks of "Hey I'm not scummy! Look I had my vote on you since Day 1 after all!" on what is now a cop-checked player.

Then we have here, where Jason suddenly became a scum read, but not the strongest scum read. This is right about the time when Jason had four votes on him. Very suspicious.

What do you think, Billy? This doesn't look good to me.

The way you describe that last one is completely different from how you see it. I read that post as him talking about the current suspicions and not really suddenly scum reading either.

The first two aren’t good looks for the same reason. It’s mever really pertinent, especially early on, to try and convince people why you are so good, they didn’t ping me before but seeing it laid out does make me question him.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

The way you describe that last one is completely different from how you see it. I read that post as him talking about the current suspicions and not really suddenly scum reading either.

It's the wording choice that bothers me. "Neither player is my strongest scum read." implies that they are, in fact, scum reads now. If they weren't scum reads, why wouldn't he just say so?

 

[Billy]

It's the wording choice that bothers me. "Neither player is my strongest scum read." implies that they are, in fact, scum reads now. If they weren't scum reads, why wouldn't he just say so?

It would be so much easier if I knew who they were :P But maybe? I’ve played coy on votes I don’t like in the same way which is probably why I’m biased

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Hmm... Tommy makes a fair point. Alpha 5 wanted to lynch Zordon.

If neither Tommy nor Alpha 5 is scum, then the list goes down to these five from my perspective, all of whom were on the Jason lynch.



6. [m] Blue Ranger
10. [m] Bulk
16. [m] Skull
17. [They/Them] Yellow Ranger
19. [m] White Ranger

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Hmm... White Ranger huh? Want me to gather up all his posts, @Billy?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

It's the wording choice that bothers me. "Neither player is my strongest scum read." implies that they are, in fact, scum reads now. If they weren't scum reads, why wouldn't he just say so?

Now, as time went on across days 1 and 2, Jason's posts got scummier for me. However, since I was heavily scum reading Red and Green at the time, Jason was simply never at the top of my scum list.

ICALLEDIT.GIF

 

[Billy]

Fair enough, I also wouldn’t mind you giving some commentary on White. I’m out on a limb on this one with more gut than anything else.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

White is a pretty big blind spot for me. So lemme go over his posts (I got distracted earlier by Real Life)

 

[Rita Repulsa]

White Ranger Day 1:

Vote: Bulk

I rolled a dice and got 10. So lucky number 10, are you scum?

It has always worked fine so far.

I now want to know why are you attacking my vote on someone else.

And you decided to go after that vote but the 5 random votes before that one?

I said that I rollerd a dice and got 10. Do I need to add a picture of a dice to show that I was joking or everyone knows what a dice looks like?

And I still don't see the difference between that vote and all the ones before that one. The "gambling termas" seems like bullshit to me.

I noticed the same thing about Finley's vote but thought it was roleplaying.

If the keeps that vote there without a proper explanation is suspicious.

*If he keeps that vote there until day end without a proper explanation is suspicious.

I disagree. Shortly after day start is when random votes are not out of place. Someone making a random vote during D5 is weird.

Now THIS is some weird deflection.

I finally I'm here and could catch up:



Why does Rita comes off looking good? For a flavour filled list? Come on, that list was mostly a joke from my point of view.



Sorry. I didn't realized that the player list had pronouns as they are usually before the name. Will check them properly the next time.



I hate this post sooooo much. Not only because the no lynch implication but also because I fucking know who could make this post so the costume gimmick is dead there. I will link Billy to that player for the rest of the game.



Is this your second game?



Why are you answering questions directed to another player?



That's a stretch. I don't see Black as a town leader at all.



So you are tempted to vote Zack but you don't think he could be scum? I don't understand.



Why are you pointing out the conflict between Tommy and Goldar and not the several conflicts before that one.



I just finished work. OM is blocked there so I can just post from home.

Some reads:

- I like several of Zack's posts so far. No the town leader one but there were several with actual work behind them so a town lean there.

- Zordon is ok so far to me. Engaging and opinions. Another town lean there. Pink Ranger too.

- Rita is too flavoury for my taste. There are little hints here and there of actual work but they are buried deep between the Roleplay.

- I don't like Blue Ranger. His justification on a vote because "gambling terms" seems like bullshit and just a lazy excuse for a vote.

- Not liking Tommy posts so far. Nothing interesting there. The same can be said from Green

The rest are mostly nulls so far.

@Black Ranger what's your opinion on Blue Ranger?

I find that weird. You haven engaged with him at all even when you have talked with pretty much everyone else.

Also you completly dismissed that I called him out for his weird vote for me at the start of the day when you made the list of all my post:



Even when you said before that you were interested in the responses of the random votes:

Well, your justification was weak.



But you called all my exchange with Blue a whole lot of nothing even when you said that it was interesting before. If Blue flips scum I think I want to go after you next.

He is my biggest scum lean. I have said before that I didn't liked his posts:

@Sawneeks @melonrabbit We will know the real identity of the player after they flip or we must wait until game end?

No because he attacked my vote on someone else calling it random and when I asked why he didn't do the same with the previous five random votes the justification was weird. He didn't liked gambling terms.

It's Day 1 so I like to vote for information and if Blue flips scum I want to look more into Bulk and why he attacked my vote and Black who isn't interacting with him and dismissed the whole conversation.

Do you know what the "R" in "RNG" stand for?

Also:

This is a weird generalization. Not everyone plays the game the same. I don't see the relation between coming late to the game and not being aggressive.

Of course it was a random vote. It was less than an hour after the game started. But also were random the five votes before mine.

If the only justification you have to make a non random vote is because I used the word "dice" in my post of course it would raise some red flags to me.

No. Blue attacked my random vote on Bulk.

And that's scummy because......?

Do you want the wifom answer or there is no need?

Don't know how experienced Blue is as scum so I can't judge that. I have seen newbie scum making mistakes before.

But I want to lynch Blue because in my mind I have already linked him to two other players so if I want to lynch for information today he is my biggest candidate.

Most likely. I'm going to wait until tomorrow before I leave for work to see what is posted while I'm sleeping.

And that may be my last post of the phase as I don't know if I will be around later. I definitely won't be around at day end as I have tickets for Deadpool at the same time.

<LITERALLY A BLANK POST>

Not much activity during the night.

Vote: Blue Ranger

I have already said why before.

Some reads about the players everyone is talking right now:

- Tommy: lean scum. I don't find the quick unvote weird. It was a prod vote, the player replied and they unvoted. I have seen inexperienced townies do that before. My problem is with the justification: the part where they claimed that they unvoted quickly to see Goldar reaction was bullshit. It tried to make the prod vote as something more important. Tommy barely had any opinion on the thread. All their posts are full of nothing. I wouldn't mind if they are lynched today.

- Goldar: Goldar made a late start and was over aggressive. To me is NAI. Most of his post lack actual content in them and the OMGUS vote he did, unvoting and then asking someone else to make an OMGUS vote for him is weird. Light scum read. Wouldn't mind if he gets lynched today but nowhere close as other players.

Also Trini calling it a fight when they were barely talking doesn't feel good to me. Like she tried to make that little exchange as more relevant that it was and boost their presence in the game. They both needed that.

This Bulk post is really bad:



Trying to consolidate votes 24 hours before day 1 end? Makes no sense.

Agree about Jason. Barely here, most of his posts were related to Rita's list, when he was called out he deflected it instead of actually answering and made that weird theory about masons.

The White Ranger has requested a Replacement. A Replacement has already been contacted and I will update you when the Players have been changed.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Some thoughts reading over that:

• I completely forgot that White Ranger got replaced. Huh. I WAS gut scum reading White Ranger until that happened.
• Him and Blue went at it pretty hard; his vote effectively ended on Blue because of the replacement.
• He has Zordon in his town leads. Not a good sign; scum do that.
• This was what made me scum read him at the time. I ended up town reading Goldar slightly because of the reasons Skull mentioned, and he dismissed it. Hm..
• He only makes one comment about Jason day 1, and otherwise maintains his distance the remainder of the day phase. But his post where he DOES call out Jason gives me slight townie vibes.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

White Ranger Day 2:

The White Ranger has been Replaced.

Oooh, thats actually a quick one I can answer right away. I actually agree with Blue Ranger in that relying on literal RNG to pick a vote is rather dodgy, given that you've relinquished responsibility for that vote so any questions about it later are simply answered by "RNG lol". Of course it didn't matter since it was a start-of-game joke vote, but the discussion that came from it did at least improve Blue Ranger's standing in my eyes.

While I have read everything so far, I've still got to do a re-read of posts 500-800 from a player's perspective.
Jason and Trini jump out to me right away, although I want to finish the re-read first before I start swinging things about.

Alrighty, fully up to speed now.
I do think that there is a scum between Jason and Trini, but I don't think it'd make sense for them both to be scum. I don't feel confident picking between them right now, but I do look forward to hearing from them today now that Jason isn't so focused on layoffs and Trini made to to day 2.

Right now I reckon its safe enough to consider Zordon, Black Ranger, Pink Ranger and Rita townies given their contributions, if there is scum hiding amongst them then there should be a fair bit of evidence against them in a few days. I reckon Zack should probably fit in this group too, but I've gotten some strange vibes from him so I'll hold off for now.

I don't actually think Red Ranger's vote on Goldar is inherently scummy. There were 75 minutes left so where some people see a scummy setup, I see someone ensuring that their preferred lynch target remains relevant as the day entered its final stage.

I've seen a number of people express shock at Finster's death, but is there really that much to be gained from trying to puzzle the NK choice out? Finster clashed a fair amount with Zack last phase, but then was the Finster choice based in causing confusion? It just seems to me that there is alot of circular thinking that could arise from digging into this too deep.

If anyone has any questions for me fire away, whether or not its something I've mentioned before. Timezones may mean you have to wait some time for a response, but it will come.

Right now I really just have a whole lot of null reads, although Green Ranger, Bulk, Zack and Alpha 5 are all players I've singled out for deeper reads later today or next phase

Yeah I won't be taking their word as absolute truth, or giving them a free pass on anything, its just that I tend towards pointless cyclical reasoning when doing deeper reads on more active players. I'd prefer to hold off reads on them until something occurs to make full reads on them a priority or they build a substantial enough history that I wouldn't be able to think myself around in circles even if I tried.

Jason's comment about trusting the old White Ranger and yourself was what made me do a double-take and start looking at him as possible scum, because I just didn't think that the reasoning against Blue Ranger was sound. If his reason was simply that voting Blue Ranger meant that he wouldn't be tied for the most votes then why wasn't that the reason he gave? If he chose Blue Ranger because he had a reason/reasons to not want to put a vote on Billy or Goldar then why wasn't that what he said? Of course he may well have agreed with you two, but I reckon it looks like scum coming from the "everything must have a justification" angle and making a slip by providing a strange-looking reasoning where the simplest would've sufficed.

The floating head did ask for specific receipts though. The recent discussion around you means that you get to be the first of the active players to get a proper read.

So I'll be starting some of those promised reads now then. Today is most likely to end up being Jason, Trini, Green Ranger, Black Ranger and perhaps Alpha 5 as a bonus. If you think I'm leaving someone particularly important out then I'll either do them too or give a reason why I won't.

I also realised I never answered this yesterday:

Yeah, I see no reason to change from what was being used before.

Aside from what I mentioned earlier, there are a few more things that bother me about Jason's Blue Ranger vote on Day 1 and the reasons he's given since.


So at this point Jason is scumreading Billy and his three further posts are follow ups on his mistaken theory about Bulk and Skull being Masons, none of which mention scumreads. But then Jason drops his vote on Blue Ranger:

This makes the vote spread have Blue Ranger in the lead on 4 votes, Jason in second with 3 and both Billy and Goldar with 2 each. Presumably Jason is still scumreading Billy at this point, so why not put your vote on him to make it a 3 way tie with one of your scumreads as a leader? Even with getting out of the vote leads was your primary concern, surely you'd try to achieve that by attempting to convince people to follow you onto Billy? Things get even stranger when you take the following (said to Trini) into account:

For reference this is what Trini has said by the time Jason voted:



So Jason would rather follow Trini onto a vote based on the fact that it doesn't particularly matter whether the D1 lynch can be proven to be scum or not than actually make one of his scumreads a viable lynch option. That certainly seems very scummy to me.

Add to that the fact that today Jason's greatest scumread is Trini, despite the fact that he had ask Rita what it was that made Trini scummy to her:



Now that I reckon Jason has been acting particularly scummy so far his strange early pushes on Skull and Bulk as well as Rita give off the feeling of scum searching for a lynch that they can create a justification for (thats just circular reasoning though, the actual evidence is the preceding points).

It will take something quite special (or someone pointing out a major flaw in my thinking) to change my mind on this, so I'm confident dropping this here now:
VOTE: Jason

I'm going to disappear for some time but the further promised reads, as well as answers to any questions, will still be coming later today.

It doesn't matter whether or not you still scumread Billy, what matters is that a mere 2 hours after you state that you now scumread Billy you pass up an opportunity to make her a viable lynch target. Instead you followed Trini onto a vote for Blue Ranger because she said that we'd get some interesting information from his flip. If your view on Billy changed drastically during those two hours then why did you never bother to bring that up? As for the two posts that you say have you convinced; they seem like a totally fair reaction from someone under pressure and in very real danger of being lynched. I reckon the reasoning behind her Blue Ranger vote (that you agreed with) looks a fair bit scummier than calling out someone she saw as trying to fly under the radar with their vote.

I'm sorry but how would trying to look scummy make you less likely to cop a NK? Its not like scum are going to mistake anyone for one of their own and if there is a vigilante in play then you risk drawing their attention. I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

Surely the most Stan thing would be making Stan puns, no?

Trini read incoming soon (maybe).

I forgot to say before, Rita did actually respond to you as to what she felt made Trini look scummy. I even quoted it in my read of you.

My issues with his play are laid out in these two posts: #1129 and #1138

I'm calling it here: I've reached the point where I'm just spinning my wheels in the mud and its far too late at night for me to start over.

The read on Green Ranger is easy; while being present a fair bit he really hasn't had all that much to say. His biggest exchange of day 1 revolved around the following post:

While I do agree with Green Ranger in the discussion that came from it, this and pretty much his entire post history so far just seems completely null to me. I don't see anything that sticks out to me as suspicious, but on the other hand he hasn't really done a whole lot to help town along either. I'm hoping to see more from him later today/next phase, otherwise I'll have to ask myself why he's been like this.

However, the read on Trini presents more of a problem to me. Similarly to Green Ranger I see alot of her posts as NAI, but not really for lack of substance. There certainly is a bunch of posts that are either plain one-line responses or miscommunications/misunderstandings, but my main issue with drawing a solid read out comes from the fact I can't pin down an alignment off her substantive posts. Her focus on finding links between players in order to begin solving the game seems odd to me, but not so odd as to just be a different playstyle and mindset. Even what I think is her scummiest play, the reasoning behind voting for Blue Ranger, still nags me in that I don't really think it is necessarily a scummy standpoint to take, merely one I strongly disagree with. I do stand by my thought that if Jason flips scum then Trini is unlikely to also be scum, however no longer think that Jason flipping Town would paint her as scum any more than it would anyone who had campaigned for Jason's lynch (such as myself).

Obviously this means that the Black Ranger read isn't coming today as I'm about to head off for sleep. I will say that while his day 1 seemed to town-lean for me (pending full re-read), today his unwillingness to provide receipts for Zordon and his scum list that was devoid of any actual evidence have stuck in my mind. Neither are a good look in my eyes, as it could suggest that his posts and reasoning in day 1 didn't actually matter to him (as if they'd been constructed rather than naturally thought out) and that he didn't have a whole lot to show for it (which would align with the theory of his arguments not mattering to him). On the other hand, he may well have not cared to search back for receipts for Zordon while he was so inflamed and I don't think it fair to completely condemn a player based on a single bad turn. Black Ranger remains my highest priority for a full read going into tomorrow.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Where did your case for White Ranger come from, anyhow...? He basically started off Day 2 (as a replacement, mind you) and straight up went for Jason and Trini. If he's scum, that's one HELL of a bus...

He does have Zordon in his town reads, but that doesn't really overturn the super duper bus attempt there.

 

[Billy]

I didn’t like the first white ranger at all. The second is slightly better but going for Jason and Trini our the gate doesn’t actually mean much. The thread was already looking at both of them from day 1 anyway. He does go hard on Jason earlier than he needed to if scum, that’s probably the one saving grace. But he’s such a non player after day 2

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Hmm... Lemme see where White Ranger voted on Day 3 and 4. If it was a genuine bus attempt, he'd feel pretty relaxed knowing that he's well hidden.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Black Ranger on Day 3, being his only vote.

Didn't even have a vote down for Day 4.

Hmm, okay, yeah. I can see where you're coming from on this.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Looks like you have an ally in Skull, in regards to the White Ranger lynch.

 

[Billy]

Interesting company for sure considering how I feel about him.

 

[Billy]

That’s a strong reads list from him though, highly detailed when it didn’t need to be

 

[Rita Repulsa]

White Ranger Day 3:

My thoughts on the day so far are that Rita's claim seems really weird to me, but it does fit the wild town persona she's been going for. I guess I'll have to decide if I think its really town having fun or scum hiding in plain sight. I'm also quite wary of how much Bulk is being townread over his tunnel on Jason. From memory he was campaigning real hard yesterday to get people to look at alternative lynches, which just seems bizarre to me given that he always maintained that he was scumreading Jason. As for him breaking the tie; consider that if he had not, people would surely have noticed that had an opportunity to make his most scumread player's lynch happen and pass it up. If he is scum, then his choice was either follow through and bus his teammate or draw attention to himself by aborting his tunnel at the 11th hour, at which point Jason would just get lynched anyway after his flip.

On a different note: was my read on Jason useful to anyone? I didn't see it spark any discussion and I think only Zordon even mentioned it, so if no one actually wants to see any further ones then I'm fine switching to a more conventional posting style. More from me once I get home.

I must admit that the idea that Tommy could well be scum has been bouncing around in my head a bit recently. However, I don't think it fair for me to look into scumreading Tommy based on old Tommy's weirdness over his Goldar vote and a read on Jason that had to be rushed along with the day coming to an end. I'll be extending a similar courtesy to Billy and her upcoming replacement.

I'm reading through Alpha-5 at the moment, but I'm about to disappear for 3 hours and I might not finish that before I go.

I don't think Rita's claim is particularly scummy, as it is consistent with her style so far with this game. I've been town-reading Rita so far, but it is the time now where I need to start re-examining the reads I made based on old info.

I'm not sure what to think about Alpha 5; While his votes and pressure on Red and Green Ranger were consistent and feel sincere to me, he did skirt around Jason wiithout taking a definite stance on him in day 2. All I'm seeing are non-committal statements like:



While I don't think that is worth scumreading him over, it is nagging me a fair bit so I can't in townread him either.

Going through Zack's reads from earlier seems like a pretty good way for me to figure out where I'm at with reads right now, particularly since I've completely lost my grip on the game at the moment and this should help steady me. The Zordon read is the logical place to start:

I disagree with the conclusion that Zordon's play looks scummy. Between my initial impressions of him and his response, I think the points raised are all sufficiently answered. When I first read Zordon's day 1 exchange with Bulk it read to me like he wanted to feel out how certain Bulk was in his Jason tunnel. In hindsight I do think that Bulk made a great catch sensing that there seemed to be a strange motive behind Jason's early blunder with his mason speculation, but before I started scumreading Jason it did stand out to me as an odd thing for Bulk to be focusing on and I'm not about to scumread anyone for having similar thoughts. Similarly, Trini's vote on Jason also seemed odd to me and Zordon did provide receipts proving that Trini was on his mind before voting her in the post you quoted. Also, Zordon saying that the part of that post about meta was in reference to an earlier conversation they'd had matches up with my memory of their day 1 interactions.

Of course since some of this relies on my memory I will go back and read over the relevant parts of day 1 to make sure I'm not forgetting something or remembering things incorrectly. However, I think its more important that I go through the rest of the reads first.

Sorry, am I missing something here? It seems to me that that'll just lead to endless WIFOM.

Now for Zack's read on Black Ranger:

This one I find myself agreeing much more with. While I put down him injecting his thoughts into most of the conversations and his foreshadowing to a difference in playstyle, when stacked up and laid out like that it does look suspicious to me. To illustrate just how strange things got with Black Ranger yesterday I think it would be useful to take a look at the post he made in response to my thoughts on him that I mentioned before signing off for the rest of day 2:

So point 1 really breaks down into 4 parts:
"I don't feel like I have to prove myself when I'm sure others may disagree with my 'receipts'." - Compare to this line that was in the post he was responding to:

While at first it does seem that he's providing a bit more reasoning why he didn't want to go back for receipts, the simple response is then "Why not provide the receipts and then give arguments for why they do in fact show you scumhunting?". To which the answer is then he either was in fact too irritated/annoyed/angry to want to go back and find them for Zordon (at which point the first part of point 1 is now pointless at best), or they really aren't there after all.
"If you think most of my posts are fluff, you can vote for me" - I never suggested or asserted that this was the case, perhaps this is more general rhetoric aimed at the whole game? If this is indeed actually a response to me then its another useless phrase.
"you can vote for me and I won't argue or defend myself because I feel my posts prove it." - Woe is me I've had a bad day, fair enough but defeatism isn't going to help yourself or Town.
"If you disagree that is fine but lynching me will only serve to hurt Town." - This has never and will never be a worthwhile statement to make.
As for point 2, that is precisely why myself and others felt that the scum list was suspicious in the first place!

HOWEVER, if Black Ranger really is scum then what the hell were the scum team doing yesterday? I understand the sacrifice theory that Trini has put forward, but that just seems kinda bizarre and defeatist to me (although thinking about it that does also describe Black Ranger's play towards the end of day 2). Perhaps their plan was to swing something at the end of the day, as in what happened to Red Ranger before him being revealed as rac and Town blew that train right up in their faces? But then surely if that'd worked then they'd just be scumread even harder the next day? I just don't feel like I can fully commit to a Black Ranger lynch without a better explanation.

Thanks for spelling that out for me.

That seems a little unfair, sure the line implying there would've been something to learn if Pink was still here is strange, but I think her point is that Rita had to claim sooner rather than later (let us just assume the claim is true for now). If Rita hadn't claimed then she'd be playing the dangerous game of "how late is too late to reveal my role?", something definitely avoided by claiming when she did.

Zack's read on Yellow Ranger is a fairly quick one to do: Once again I disagree, I don't think they are scummy at all.

I completely disagree that their vote on Jason at the start of the day feels unnatural. Besides the fact that they ended the day on Finster, what is the difference between this and Bulk picking up on the same thing off of Jason's mason speculation? Same deal, what makes Bulk "natural and honest", but Yellow Ranger instead "pushed strangely hard"? Then comes the point about Yellow Ranger switching their vote to Finster. I don't see how it could be that the switch was specifically to Finster given that Yellow Ranger had made it quite clear that Finster was right there with Jason as a preferred lynch target. That leaves the reason to scumread it as the timing of her switch, in this case a very similar situation to Red Ranger's switch and happening half an hour earlier, so the timing isn't scummy to me in the same way that Red Ranger's timing wasn't.

Sorry for messing up the pronoun in the last sentence, my bad for not double-checking.

Ok, the rest are small enough that I should do them all in one go:

Green Ranger: Thanks for bringing these up, I haven't seen evidence today of Green Ranger's twice promised step up and these votes have me convinced that its time to start considering that he may be scum coasting along.

Tommy: I mentioned earlier why I don't think it fair to be judging Tommy today and I stand by that.

Blue Ranger: I find this read completely bizarre, are you basing an entire townread(or lean?) on his exchange over the old White Ranger's RNG joke vote? I couldn't think of anything that Blue Ranger had said or done since, but I put that down to me not having paid enough attention and was resolved to fix that after having gone over Zordon's posts, however if this is all you have to townread them with then perhaps there is more to it than that?

Skull and Bulk: I pretty much agree with this, although I am suspicious of people who are just jumping onto your reasoning as a way of deciding their lynch without too much of their own reasoning. I think I'm remembering right that Skull's post talking about what he agreed with was too long to just be along the lines of "yep, good reasoning" but I'll be deciding if I think anyone's response to your posts is scummy after that read of Zordon.

Trini: Same read with a different way of getting there. I reckoned that the whole Jason vs Trini saga meant that one of them had to die sooner rather than later and if one flipped scum then that pretty much cleared the other.

Quick mention that its fair enough to not townread me given that I've had almost no impact on the game at all so far.

Alpha 5/Kimberly/Rita - Pretty much agreeing here, although there is a few minor differences and I'd say that Rita seems more town to me than Alpha 5 and Kimberly.
(Flavour Question: is her name really spelled Kimberly and not Kimberley? It seems strange to me.)

Thanks for the response. I should have been clearer that I'm not reading you as a coasting scum right now, rather that I will no longer be affording you the same leniency that I'm currently giving to Tommy and Billy.

Cool, thanks for saving a bit of time there. I also forgot to mention in my post that I felt your reasons for aligning with Zack's read on Zordon were reasonable, instead I only put the bit about Skull in there so my bad.

I do hate to make this two-for-two, but the Zordon reading won't be happening today, I do really need some sleep even if day end is only 3 hours away. The way I see either Zordon survives and I get to do it tomorrow, Zordon dies and flips town at which point its irrelevant, or he dies and flips scum at which point I just have to deal with the fact that I chose sleep over my last chance to be a part of that lynch train. Similarly, perhaps I would've seen something had I done reads on Blue and Green Rangers today, but I'm comfortable enough with my chosen lynch target (spoilers its Black Ranger) that they can keep if there is indeed scum there.

I did however go through the responses to Zack's reads though (I mentioned Bulk earlier) (sorry if I've missed anyone):
Rita going along with the Zordon lynch is reasonable enough to me given that she had mentioned him earlier and it did seem to me that she'd try for a push there anyway. Also, y'know, she is in a fair bit of danger here.
I was a little off-put by Skull's response given that I couldn't tell what he thought of Zordon, but he did clear that up with Rita later and given that the others he mentioned there all had some reasoning attached to them and he still stuck to his read on Rita I don't think it was suspicious.
Alpha 5 seems kinda eager to agree with Zack on Zordon, perhaps I'm reading that wrong but it is a little suspect.
Kimberly also seems to have kinda slid in onto Zordon, probably worth another look tomorrow.

Black Ranger considers Zordon after Zack's post but says that Alpha 5 is still his top priority, he then later asserts that Zordon didn't make a clear-cut case against Green Ranger, which is refuted but he still comes back later now saying that Zordon is now who he is focusing on (I know that was a fair bit of paraphrasing there, but if you think I've misrepresented something then please do point it out because that is not my intention here, I'm just too lazy to go back for quotes).

Between this, my existing scumread on Black Ranger (yes including the whole wth d2 scumteam? thing) and my town lean on Rita, I'll be dropping my vote here:
VOTE: Black Ranger


Unrelated, but you may want to go back and check. I think I was a little unclear in the wording but I'm pretty sure the claim has always been that it was used on N1.

Yessss, noticed by the big player today! I'm sorry if I messed up some pronouns for you in those, I wasn't sure how direct a response I should word them as and ended up chopping and changing between a few different levels.


So you did have the right of it then, I wonder how long it was before she clarified about it being on night 1?

It was probably decently implied in my previous post but I may as well get it down outright: I won't be back for day end.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

For only 13 posts, that's a doozy of a day phase. Something about his read on my claim seems very off to me, but I can't place my finger on it.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Uhh... that outburst by Yellow Ranger is YIKES

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Day phases like this always make me feel tense.

 

[Billy]

I actually like that outburst?

Scum can be genuinely frustrated too but they’ve been taking a beating this whole game, I don’t think they break like that at this point, they should be numb already.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I actually like that outburst?

Scum can be genuinely frustrated too but they’ve been taking a beating this whole game, I don’t think they break like that at this point, they should be numb already.

You might be right. I'm second guessing my vote now.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Oh wait, that vote hammered it for majority, LMAO.

 

[Billy]

I didn’t realize 7 was majority either

 

[Billy]

Damn, I really think that’s wrong

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Damn, I really think that’s wrong

I'm worried we just walked right into a town v town scenario. That would be the absolute worst case scenario.

 

[Billy]

I feel like it says a lot that my top two scum reads are a doc claim and a green check. Something is up.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I feel like it says a lot that my top two scum reads are a doc claim and a green check. Something is up.

I feel like the dead air we got during this phase before the end really speaks volumes. I suspect scum is someone we wouldn't suspect.

There's also Zack, who bothers me after that defense of Yellow Ranger.

 

[Billy]

Yeah that outburst was the tell. I hope scum gets a kill tonight, if they don’t kill Tommy then they are either playing with fire or something is up.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Yeah that outburst was the tell. I hope scum gets a kill tonight, if they don’t kill Tommy then they are either playing with fire or something is up.

I honestly think they might not get it off. Tommy hinted he had info to give, which means he hopefully had a way to protect himself.

 

[Billy]

I meant to do anything with retreads of the thread but work needed me for overtime yesterday and today and at this point, I’m content just waiting so I don’t waste my time if someone ends up dying. Sorry for not being more helpful -_-

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I meant to do anything with retreads of the thread but work needed me for overtime yesterday and today and at this point, I’m content just waiting so I don’t waste my time if someone ends up dying. Sorry for not being more helpful -_-

It's fine. I'm not exactly motivated myself. I got lots of stuff to prepare for IRL.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Although a question remains.... where was scum on yesterday's vote, curiously? Obviously Alpha 5 is suspect, assuming it wasn't town vs town...

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Skull does fit the profile of scum that would have bussed Jason. His vote was placed when Jason was already in the lead...

 

[Billy]

There's no way a doctor misses this twice.

None. Everyone could tell you exactly who the kills would be the last two nights.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

There's no way a doctor misses this twice.

None. Everyone could tell you exactly who the kills would be the last two nights.

You're saying this in a community that has cabot as a member. You know that right?

Also, I think you might be a bit harsh there. Tommy's typically had more than one viable target each night.

I think the only course of action you're gonna get out of questioning him is potentially outing more info that helps scum determine where he won't shoot.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Last night alone there were four likely kill targets: Tommy, Kimberly, Trini, and Green Ranger.

That's a 1/4 chance of protecting. Even if we assume scum would only target the confirmed green checks (Kimberly, Trini, and Green) that's still a 1/3 chance.

Those odds are NOT good.

 

[Billy]

Tommy should be the only kill target in a world where this is true considering it’s very skewed in this community that they can’t self target. That said Trini was the only of the three that didn’t get doubt thrown their way. There’s always hindsight bias of course but she was the choice with the highest odds and excuse or not, that’s twice now when the rac one was already bad enough.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Your hindsight bias is showing, definitely.

 

[Billy]

I’m willing to bet a lot on this hunch. His claim was a last ditch effort to not get lynched, it’s been crafted over time.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I’m willing to bet a lot on this hunch. His claim was a last ditch effort to not get lynched, it’s been crafted over time.

My role combined with the strongman flip makes it explicitly clear that town has more than one protective role, and no other protective roles have counterclaimed him.

There's just no logic in badgering the doctor like this.

 

[Billy]

My role combined with the strongman flip makes it explicitly clear that town has more than one protective role, and no other protective roles have counterclaimed him.

There's just no logic in badgering the doctor like this.

There's a few things that wrench this. If town has some oddball protector like a bodyguard or something else with weird stipulations, they may not counter claim tommy. The other very obvious point is there doesn't have to be a doctor to counter a strongman. A roleblocker and a BP or two in the wild has the same effect.

I'm aware that I'm on a limb here and quoting bad doctor play from cabot is all well and good but there is a difference between bad play and made up play. I think I see the latter here.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I mean, you'd need someone else to explicitly justify the Strongman coming forward. If you feel that strongly about it, I'd see if you can get whoever can explicitly be countered by a strongman to claim.

The strongman had three shots, which means there's likely two roles (a shot for each role + a spare) to counterclaim the doctor. I'm one, but who's the other?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Certainly, if there was another role that could counter the strongman, it would explain Tommy's poor play up until now.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

It's Zack I feel the worst about, tbh. His justification for jumping off the Zordon lynch in Day 3 is giving me pause.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

This post, from Day 3.

zordon (5 votes)
zack - #1868
rita repulsa - #1870
black ranger - #1913
alpha 5 - #1938
green ranger - #1939

I can't say I trust any of those who followed me into the Zordon vote. Since I still have D2 stuff to go through, this feels best.

UNVOTE

 

[Billy]

Yes, that was one of his worst.

Am I missing something though, is his definitive Skull scum read something new?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Yes, that was one of his worst.

Am I missing something though, is his definitive Skull scum read something new?

It's something new to me as well. That's why I tagged him to explain it.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

There's also Alpha 5's vote and unvote on Zordon on Day 3:

It is a bit strange, but I feel like the game has been a lot less active in the mornings than previous day phases. It only takes me a few minutes to get caught up rather than an hour.

After sleeping on things, I've made up my mind.

Vote: Zordon

The case Zack made against Zordon looks pretty solid. I think the various doubts swirling around Rita and the Black Ranger are certainly valid too, but they don't seem as well developed. In particular, I don't think scum would make the play Rita did with that wild role claim, it draws too much attention. I don't think it is a good town play, and it certainly raises suspicion, but that can be saved for later.

Hmm, I don't at all agree with Rita's actions, but I still struggle to imagine these as scum actions.

Vote: Black Ranger

He hung onto his vote until the near end, only jumping off a few minutes before the hammer went down by Trini.

I'm struggling to gauge how townie or scummy these actions from both Zack and Alpha 5 are tho, which is where my issue comes in.

 

[Billy]

I don’t see how they could both be scum doing the same thing though. The way they both voted Zordon seems like a scum group content with their bus and then suddenly both shy off of it? That seems like a huge misplay.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I don’t see how they could both be scum doing the same thing though. The way they both voted Zordon seems like a scum group content with their bus and then suddenly both shy off of it? That seems like a huge misplay.

Yeah I don't think they're both scum. Plus they'd be lynching each other right now and they're so DESPERATELY in need of mislynches if that's the case.

But I'm trying to figure out which one is scum and which one is town, or if they're both town. I'm having a hard time reading their votes there.

I'm having a real mind fog today X_X;

 

[Rita Repulsa]

If you had to guess, based upon their votes/unvotes of Zordon, which of the two seems scummier?

 

[Billy]

Based on their votes and unvotes, it’s kind of hard to distinguish between them aside from Zack starting the vote. So based on that specifically, I don’t really have it one way or the other. Zack has set me off more in other areas though. I know when I first came into the game, I didn’t like how he was making some of his arguments.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I have strongly town read Zack in the past, but I find that trust has been erroding. Sure, part of that is certainly because he is barking up the wrong tree with me, but a good chunk of it is due to a lack of conviction that is coming across in his votes.

For both Zordon on Day 3, and the Yellow Ranger on Day 5, Zack put in the effort to give detailed arguments as to why these players were scum. Both times he won over other players, including me, with those arguments. But both times, he ended up moving his vote to a completely different target whom he didn't put in a tenth of the effort to justify voting for.

It reeks of a player whose actual conviction behind his votes doesn't match up to the effort his is trying to show. Zack types up those detailed arguments, but doesn't actually believe the stuff he wrote.

I am hardcore gut scum-reading this post of Alpha 5's. The language in it strikes me as scum looking for opportunity.

"trust has been erroding" from someone who didn't even mention Zack that much until now.

"barking up the wrong tree with me" is just OMGUS

"reeks of a player whose actual conviction behind his votes doesn't match up to the effort his is trying to show" is code for "I can't find any actual valid reason to lynch this person."

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Are you reading that post the same way as I am? Because man alarm bells are going off right now.

 

[Billy]

Not as much as you but I don't like why he brings up the yellow ranger lynch. That all makes sense for a scummate trying to bus with an exit strategy on Zordon but it's NAI that he moved his vote from yellow ranger after making arguments there. It's weird to try to paint that as anything else.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I find it hilarious that Alpha 5 didn't even really start trying to go for Zack until I unvoted, btw.

This was the only thing before I unvoted, in response to Zack calling him out.

Not sure what you mean. Sure there was a discrepancy between what Tommy said and Tommy's vote, but the vote seemed correct. I presumed they just mistyped something. It is barely worth a double-take.

And I am not sure what you mean by "relativizing" town cred. I'm just stating facts: we have pretty good indication that Kimberly is a town cop after her catching Zordon and Trini's unfortunate flip. Similarly, the absence of two night kills backs up Tommy's claim, because there must be a cop and no one has counter-claimed them. Neither is 100% certain without a flip, but I think chasing either of the two right now seems rather silly.

Then there was this post, that doesn't explicitly mention Zack but references his vote:

Can someone actually name some reasons to lynch me today? The three votes on me currently have zero reasons between them, most people who voted me yesterday did so late in the day and few specified specific reasons, and what few reasons the White Ranger gave seemed to be based on some misunderstandings that I thought we had cleared up.

It feels like the entire vote push for me is built on nothing but momentum driven by vague suspicions that people haven't taken the time to put into words yet.

Then I unvoted, and made a potential case for Zack here:

What bothers me most about Zack and Alpha 5 right now are their day 3 actions. I starting reading into this because Tommy mentioned Alpha 5's Day 3 vote on Zordon in the previous day phase.

Zack led the train against Zordon initially, only to jump off about four hours before the hammer.

Alpha 5 jumped onto the Zordon lynch near the end of the day phase, around six or seven hours before the hammer and before Black Ranger had become a lynch target in terms of votes. He hung onto that vote until right before Trini hammered Black, near the end of the day phase.

I'm not leaning towards both of these two being scum (it'd be an extremely risky play to both bus their teammate on day 3, and then turn around and bus each other when they are so desperately in need of mislynchs) but I'm having difficulty gauging the relative level of "townieness" to "scumminess" of their actions in Day 3.

And guess who jumps on after that?

I was looking back at Zack's votes as a whole, and to be honest his entire vote history is a little bit sketchy.

Day 1: Zack followed me onto Finster, and left his vote there until day end.

Day 2: Defended Jason pretty heavily, but left his vote on Trini (who ended the day with two votes) as a "symbolic gesture".

Day 3: Created the big push for voting for Zordon, but backed off after about 100 posts on the basis that he didn't trust the people following him on that vote, just as the vote was becoming big. Instead, he helped make the Black Ranger into a viable lynch.

Day 4: Put on a blargesque rock concert show of voting for Zordon, while sneaking in unexplained votes on me. Ends the day without a vote.

Day 5: Votes for me, but makes sure to leave in wiggle room in his post that he thought the Yellow Ranger was also a good lynch target.

I have strongly town read Zack in the past, but I find that trust has been erroding. Sure, part of that is certainly because he is barking up the wrong tree with me, but a good chunk of it is due to a lack of conviction that is coming across in his votes.

For both Zordon on Day 3, and the Yellow Ranger on Day 5, Zack put in the effort to give detailed arguments as to why these players were scum. Both times he won over other players, including me, with those arguments. But both times, he ended up moving his vote to a completely different target whom he didn't put in a tenth of the effort to justify voting for.

It reeks of a player whose actual conviction behind his votes doesn't match up to the effort his is trying to show. Zack types up those detailed arguments, but doesn't actually believe the stuff he wrote.

 

[Billy]

Between this and Zack's points I'm softening on an Alpha lynch more. I just can't shake the feeling that I'm reading useless town over scum but some of this is getting harder to ignore. There's too much sheeping.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

lol Alpha 5 just turbo'd so we couldn't discuss stuff.

gg

 

[Billy]

Bah, figures I was wrong.

Well White became a lot more interesting to me now. Saying it was a natural culmination from yesterday is all well and good but there’s no reason to push it that close to turbo even if you are saying you’ll be gone for the rest of the day (and then still justifying the vote to me when I call it out a half hour later after saying you’re heading out)

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I'm curious as to where your inquiry on White goes.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

The fact that they killed Zack really bothers me. That simply doesn't make sense when they're in a spot where they NEED all the mislynches they can get... I guess they really thought he was that much a threat or too town read after Zordon/Alpha 5.

 

[Billy]

The fact that they killed Zack really bothers me. That simply doesn't make sense when they're in a spot where they NEED all the mislynches they can get... I guess they really thought he was that much a threat or too town read after Zordon/Alpha 5.

Has to be the bolded maybe? It doesn't make a ton of sense though. If nothing else, Kim is cleared as a cop, even if someone wants to follow my conclusions to the extreme and think green is a godfather and Tommy is full of shit (when they really can't both be lying with the numbers), they would still kill Kim before anyone else without a hard clear.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Has to be the bolded maybe? It doesn't make a ton of sense though. If nothing else, Kim is cleared as a cop, even if someone wants to follow my conclusions to the extreme and think green is a godfather and Tommy is full of shit (when they really can't both be lying with the numbers), they would still kill Kim before anyone else without a hard clear.

Related to this, but I don't know if you noticed...

But this game is almost unwinnable now for scum.

They need to survive four more day phases (counting this one) until Day 10 to win.

In addition, they have three basically confirmed townies that they MUST shoot (Kimberly, Green Ranger, and Tommy) to win the game.

And if the doctor protects anything at all (which becomes more and more likely as the game goes on), then that adds an extra day phase (due to the combination of Mylo -> No Lynch -> Lylo) AND another potentially confirmed townie.

Six possible mislynches (Billy, Blue, Bulk, Skull, White, Rita) with at least one of them (Blue Ranger) being unlikely due to the Day 2 ending.

To say the least, I am not worried at all.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Six possible mislynches (Billy, Blue, Bulk, Skull, White, Rita) with at least one of them (Blue Ranger) being unlikely due to the Day 2 ending.

I am bad at math.

This should be five possible mislynches.

But yeah, point still remains.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

How does he know that the last scum is a role cop....? How is he pretty sure...?

 

[Billy]

He’s not a universal back up clearly, that’s the game.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

That claim is just so weird. I can't comprehend it.

It doesn't make sense as a town move, because now scum know to shoot him first. He only had one vote on him, so he was under no pressure to claim. He claims he's a universal backup, but didn't take Rac's role to town confirm himself. He claims scum found out who he was via a rolecop, but how would he know that? And if they did find him by role cop, why wouldn't they have just shot him in the night phase to remove him from the game?

 

[cabot]

You're saying this in a community that has cabot as a member. You know that right?

fuck this.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

fuck this.

*cackles*