Game Thread Power Rangers Mafia | The Community Park Where All the Monster Fights Happen

[Billy]

Huh, I don't know what to make of Zack at the end of day 2. I'd think a scummate wouldn't so blatantly try and off vote but then he makes such a big show of it that it feels like reverse psychology.

 

[Billy]

I'm halfway through the thread plus a few pages here at the end. I'm pretty confident that day 1 Tommy was openly howling and the replacement stayed out of the conversation for no real reason.

VOTE: Tommy

 

[Tommy]

Sorry, I'm getting annoyed now. This is my first time being a replacement, but is it normal to attack somebody for things the person the replacement replaces did?

The only thing of value I read is my own townread of Jason and the following vote on Alpha for that. As for that. I got subbed in 6 hours before day and I was a friends with my mobile, but I did want to contribute something. When I joined it seemed like Jason was up for lynch without that much of a pushback (even mentioned and acted upon by Rita, if i remember correctly). Which I agree with. Red Ranger (now Rac) was already on Alpha and from the things I saw from Alpha D1 and D2 that seemed a better place for my vote. If I was scum and had this little time I would be on that bus first thing. Jason lynch was going to happen one day or another. In hindsight, I don't think my vote on Alpha was that bad.

More on my day 3 and 4 please! My vote on Rita? Now that was a good one. Is that where I deserved your case on previous tommy?

 

[Tommy]

I'll do more scumhunting myself when I get back from work in around 3/4 hours.

Teaser; it won't involve a case on Billy why he hasn't voted previous days.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Sorry, I'm getting annoyed now. This is my first time being a replacement, but is it normal to attack somebody for things the person the replacement replaces did?

Your predecessor's actions cannot simply be ignored just because you replaced them. The player slot is the same, even if the player themselves has changed. Why are you so insistent on asking us to ignore critical evidence?

More on my day 3 and 4 please! My vote on Rita? Now that was a good one. Is that where I deserved your case on previous tommy?

I'm looking over your day 3 right now. It's significantly more meaty (in terms of post counts) then your Day 2. However, your vote on me is actually worth noting.

Black ranger improved today, but maybe that's because the pressure is off him for a bit. Between Zordon and Rita. It's Rita for me, I think she ignored everything I said about her. Maybe it's because I didn't put my vote down yet. But she's my strongest scumread atm. For the points mentioned earlier. I'd also like to add that she posts or rather posted a lot, but did she really add anything?

Vote: Rita Repulsa

Mainly because, you yourself admit you weren't going to vote now confirmed scum there. :p

 

[Tommy]

Your predecessor's actions cannot simply be ignored just because you replaced them. The player slot is the same, even if the player themselves has changed. Why are you so insistent on asking us to ignore critical evidence?

Because it's not something I can defend myself against! It's the same if I build a case against Billy now for not voting on anybody at all. What is new Billy gonna do with that? I can't see in the head of previous Tommy. He did what he did for his own reasons. All I can say it came from a town pov, but that should be obvious from me.

I'm looking over your day 3 right now. It's significantly more meaty (in terms of post counts) then your Day 2. However, your vote on me is actually worth noting.

Good, that'll give us something to work with.

Mainly because, you yourself admit you weren't going to vote now confirmed scum there. :p

Yea, I can see that lol. But my case against you was there (and still is), and in all honesty, I'd vote you again if it wasn't for the red check from Kimberly.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Because it's not something I can defend myself against! It's the same if I build a case against Billy now for not voting on anybody at all. What is new Billy gonna do with that? I can't see in the head of previous Tommy. He did what he did for his own reasons. All I can say it came from a town pov, but that should be obvious from me.

For what it's worth, my slight town read of Billy comes largely from his predecessors. While it's difficult to build a case upon what isn't there, I wouldn't fault anyone building a case based upon what is there. However little it may be.

Although I must admit Billy the Third is doing a very good job of impressing me, simply because I actually have someone to bounce thoughts and ideas off of now.

 

[Skull]

Since Tommy seems to be a topic today, I tried to do a reread on Tommy D2 and D3, and I can safely say he’s a blind spot for me. I’m not sure why, but I can’t get a good feeling on him. It’s really bugging me that even on a reread I can’t add much.

Overall it feels like he focuses on some players and keeps his mind set on them to see if anything suspicious shows off. That might be due to how much he had play defensively and so explain his own reads, but it doesn’t seem so to me. Most of his posts read sincere to me, and he explains his reasoning every time.

However, I do think he flip flopped a bit on his Jason read, initially asking for ”what’s wrong with him” at D2, and concluding that it was more town than scum:

This is my stance reading back. I mean Jason is unfortunate, but it's not a clear cut scum case. Maybe for me its even more town than scum. I can't see scum doing what he is doing and yes, maybe that's shaky reasoning, but it is what it is.

I've had a worse feeling about Alpha 5. Don't like the day 1 contribution and switch from Finster to Goldar. Did he defend the accusation from Green about that?

I'd wish I could contribute more, but I just didn't have the time yet. My apologies and I promise I reread during the night.

First post in D3 has this sentence though:

Good job on the jason lynch guys. No nk, interesting. That's an early neutral win and I can delete Pink Ranger from my suspicious list. Also was a bit suspicious regarding jason.

I'm just starting with my reread (for what's it's worth what i did read yesterday. I was on my phone while with friends, which i don't like, but i did not want to be completely absent) on the end of day 2. I made it to #1230 before game just started, so got the fun part to go.

For now; i feel good about trini, yellow ranger & white ranger regarding jason
Feel less good about kimberly.

He later explains it more after Yellow (or Green?) called him out on his Jason stance, and uses a practical argument.

I can only talk for the last 2 posts, basically only last one, and yes I did say I thought Jason was more town than scum, but I'm pretty sure if I wanted to help out and save Jason, my vote would not have ended up on Alpha 5, but on Black or Green ranger.

 

[Skull]

Might read a bit more looking for something between Tommy and Zordon, but right now not willing to vote for Tommy.

 

[Tommy]

In sucession we had Black, Zack, Rita and Alpha voting for Red Ranger. After he revealed himself, all four had to move their moves. Alpha gains some points for voting for Green, who had 0 votes, right off the bat.

Do you think there is scum in here Skull? Between Zack, Rita and Alpha?

 

[Tommy]

He later explains it more after Yellow (or Green?) called him out on his Jason stance, and uses a practical argument.

The part you bolded for this point, was meant to say I thought Pink was suspicious regarding the flip of Jason. Don't really know if that's clear. Don't know what you really mean either.

 

[Skull]

The part you bolded for this point, was meant to say I thought Pink was suspicious regarding the flip of Jason. Don't really know if that's clear. Don't know what you really mean either.

Hum? Might have understood that post completely wrong then. I read it as you explaining why your vote for Alpha doesn’t make sense as Jason’s teammate since you could’ve voted for Black or Green who were real contenders for the lynch. It’s a pratical argument that can go either way to me, not really explaining why you voted for him instead of Jason.

 

[Tommy]

Hum? Might have understood that post completely wrong then. I read it as you explaining why your vote for Alpha doesn’t make sense as Jason’s teammate since you could’ve voted for Black or Green who were real contenders for the lynch. It’s a pratical argument that can go either way to me, not really explaining why you voted for him instead of Jason.

No you read that right. But you bolded this sentence: "Also was a bit suspicious regarding jason." That was meant to say I was suspicious of Pink Ranger, because of the Jason flip. Could also have left it away. It adds basically nothing.

 

[Skull]

Do you think there is scum in here Skull? Between Zack, Rita and Alpha?

I do, Red Ranger wagon piled too suddenly and the spread was interesting too.

I’m hard townreading Zack and Rita, and lowkey bothered by Alpha, he was scum read by a lot of players in D3 but with zero traction. However, analyzing these votes, he’s the one that comes off better.

Scum needed their strongman the most after rac revealed himself, getting rac out was a priority here. Alpha changes his vote for Green Ranger right after that, sitting alone on his vote. Zordon takes advantage of that, and rac goes for it too. Dead last comes Zack. It’s a pretty scummy vote for me, but hard sell considering his D3 and Zordon flip.

 

[Skull]

No you read that right. But you bolded this sentence: "Also was a bit suspicious regarding jason." That was meant to say I was suspicious of Pink Ranger, because of the Jason flip. Could also have left it away. It adds basically nothing.

Oh, I see. The second post I quoted. The comment to that post is above it, since I thought you were saying YOU were suspicious of Jason despite saying he was more town than scum earlier in D2.

That actually matters a lot since I found that horribly contradictory.

 

[Tommy]

Yea, I worded it poorly.

 

[Bulk]

I'm not impressed by new-Billy. I think we're an advantageous position and keeping Billy around, who has no voting trackrecord at all, the one tool that's helped us this whole game, is dangerous.

I had actually forgotten he had a gossip chat though. Has there ever been a scum team with a gossip? I have a hard time thinking of a reason why scum would have one, but I'm wary of clearing Billy in my mind just because of that.

My townreads atm are Kimberly, Rita, Zack, Trini and myself (obviously). I also wouldn't lynch Skull quite yet. From the rest, I do think Billy is clearly the most obvious lynch today, but I should really start rereading that group more closely.

 

[Tommy]

I'm not impressed by new-Billy. I think we're an advantageous position and keeping Billy around, who has no voting trackrecord at all, the one tool that's helped us this whole game, is dangerous.

I had actually forgotten he had a gossip chat though. Has there ever been a scum team with a gossip? I have a hard time thinking of a reason why scum would have one, but I'm wary of clearing Billy in my mind just because of that.

My townreads atm are Kimberly, Rita, Zack, Trini and myself (obviously). I also wouldn't lynch Skull quite yet. From the rest, I do think Billy is clearly the most obvious lynch today, but I should really start rereading that group more closely.

What about green-checked Green Ranger? For your townreads obviously.

 

[Bulk]

Oh, I forgot that, thanks. Yeah, they're alright too obviously.

 

[Tommy]

Also, since there is not trackrecord at all, what would a Billy lynch bring us?

I remember that Zordon was all about the inactivity lynch aswell. I figured that was just his easy mis-lynch. Not a bus of his teammate.

 

[Bulk]

Also, since there is not trackrecord at all, what would a Billy lynch bring us?

I remember that Zordon was all about the inactivity lynch aswell. I figured that was just his easy mis-lynch. Not a bus of his teammate.

Avoiding reaching lylo and having to ask ourselves if the guy with no trackrecord and like 4 posts before Day 5 is the remaining scum.

Did Zordon directly attack Billy at some point? I don't remember, but if that's the case you might have a point there. Basically I think at this point we should be Occam's Razoring the shit out of this game, seeing how we're in such an advantageous position. Other games don't have the luxury of that and have to carry that dead weight all the way to the end of the game adding uncertainty to those crucial last days. I'll still do a reread of my group of uncertains, but for now Billy is the "most obvious" vote, since on the surface they're the player we have less info about.

 

[Tommy]

Avoiding reaching lylo and having to ask ourselves if the guy with no trackrecord and like 4 posts before Day 5 is the remaining scum.

Did Zordon directly attack Billy at some point? I don't remember, but if that's the case you might have a point there. Basically I think at this point we should be Occam's Razoring the shit out of this game, seeing how we're in such an advantageous position. Other games don't have the luxury of that and have to carry that dead weight all the way to the end of the game adding uncertainty to those crucial last days. I'll still do a reread of my group of uncertains, but for now Billy is the "most obvious" vote, since on the surface they're the player we have less info about.

I'd have to read back if it was direct, but I remember him going after inactives a lot.

 

[Skull]

Here is my big dilemma:

We have an abundance of players just not here:
White, swapped in, had a few decent contributions, but nothing to write home about
Billy, who has promised reads and promised better play and did nothing at all
Green Ranger, full of hot air and nothing but the most basic of commentary
Yellow Ranger, nothing really, all of five posts, possibly replaced?
Tommy, got replaced

Then we have Black Ranger, who is I guess trying to look as scummy as possible?

Then there's my other scum possibility, Trini, who keeps leaving herself out of things but also says sure, let's vote out Green Ranger

Then there's my other scum possibility, Jason, who wants to vote for Trini?

And yet we're right back near where we were day one.

Interesting point. I found this post by Zordon a bit back and he does seem to push for inactives a lot. He seems frustrated with them in that post actually.

 

[White Ranger]

@White Ranger

Since you were M.I.A yesterday, what did you you think of Zordon being scum.

Also, called that was shit

Yeah, sorry for not being able to make it in time before yesterday's lynch. I was pretty surprised by the red check, although Zordon's tracker claim and his attempts to make people question Kimberley's earlier actions made it quite clear that he was actually scum. Obviously it makes my defense of Zordon on day 3 look pretty bad, which is only made worse by this post and the fact that I wasn't around to lynch him yesterday.

Avoiding reaching lylo and having to ask ourselves if the guy with no trackrecord and like 4 posts before Day 5 is the remaining scum.

Did Zordon directly attack Billy at some point? I don't remember, but if that's the case you might have a point there. Basically I think at this point we should be Occam's Razoring the shit out of this game, seeing how we're in such an advantageous position. Other games don't have the luxury of that and have to carry that dead weight all the way to the end of the game adding uncertainty to those crucial last days. I'll still do a reread of my group of uncertains, but for now Billy is the "most obvious" vote, since on the surface they're the player we have less info about.

Zordon was pushing fairly hard for a Billy lynch on day 1, I believe it did carry over into day 2 but with less intensity.

 

[Tommy]

Eventually Zordon even voted Billy (albeit it not a very strong vote).

 

[Billy]

Sorry, I'm getting annoyed now. This is my first time being a replacement, but is it normal to attack somebody for things the person the replacement replaces did?

The only thing of value I read is my own townread of Jason and the following vote on Alpha for that. As for that. I got subbed in 6 hours before day and I was a friends with my mobile, but I did want to contribute something. When I joined it seemed like Jason was up for lynch without that much of a pushback (even mentioned and acted upon by Rita, if i remember correctly). Which I agree with. Red Ranger (now Rac) was already on Alpha and from the things I saw from Alpha D1 and D2 that seemed a better place for my vote. If I was scum and had this little time I would be on that bus first thing. Jason lynch was going to happen one day or another. In hindsight, I don't think my vote on Alpha was that bad.

More on my day 3 and 4 please! My vote on Rita? Now that was a good one. Is that where I deserved your case on previous tommy?

You’re comparing apples and oranges in a very disingenuous way. The people I replaced clearly weren’t playing. You can pretend it’s a high road to say you aren’t trying to fault me for it but it’s really because there’s nothing to fault. Signing up for a game and then not playing is NAI. I’m sorry (not really) that I’m in the murky position of having to read a whole game thread 5 days in and the biggest scum tell I’ve seen with knowledge or the flips is something your account did before you subbed in but I’m not going to ignore it.

I'm not impressed by new-Billy. I think we're an advantageous position and keeping Billy around, who has no voting trackrecord at all, the one tool that's helped us this whole game, is dangerous.

I had actually forgotten he had a gossip chat though. Has there ever been a scum team with a gossip? I have a hard time thinking of a reason why scum would have one, but I'm wary of clearing Billy in my mind just because of that.

My townreads atm are Kimberly, Rita, Zack, Trini and myself (obviously). I also wouldn't lynch Skull quite yet. From the rest, I do think Billy is clearly the most obvious lynch today, but I should really start rereading that group more closely.

The only time scum had a gossip chat was when town also had a gossip chat in the same game. If you want to think scum got a one shot gossip and that’s it then go for it. More of note is that you should be thrilled this account is posting and voting now instead of trying to immediately squash it if you care so much that it has no vote record.

 

[Billy]

Zordon was a whole lot of shade with no bite, he was looking for easy avenues and someone not defending themselves is the easiest it can be. I’m surprised he jumped around as much as he did.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I'm not impressed by new-Billy. I think we're an advantageous position and keeping Billy around, who has no voting trackrecord at all, the one tool that's helped us this whole game, is dangerous.

I had actually forgotten he had a gossip chat though. Has there ever been a scum team with a gossip? I have a hard time thinking of a reason why scum would have one, but I'm wary of clearing Billy in my mind just because of that.

My townreads atm are Kimberly, Rita, Zack, Trini and myself (obviously). I also wouldn't lynch Skull quite yet. From the rest, I do think Billy is clearly the most obvious lynch today, but I should really start rereading that group more closely.

I can think of two games where there were potential scum gossips: The Price Is Right Mafia, and Overwatch Mafia. In the former, the gossip chat was established between a scum player and a town player as a result of an item. In the later, the neutral could have technically linked a scum player with town, although in the final pairing both players were town.

In both cases tho, the gossip chats came about because of a third party influence where someone else (town/neutral) paired the players up. I don't think there's ever been a scum team with the ability to create an explicit gossip chat? But I could be wrong about this.

 

[Billy]

I don’t know if any of my predecessors actually claimed correctly/completely. For anyone who cares, I could have made this gossip chat between any two people, I didn’t need to be involved in it.

 

[Tommy]

I don’t know if any of my predecessors actually claimed correctly/completely. For anyone who cares, I could have made this gossip chat between any two people, I didn’t need to be involved in it.

Oh wow, that's interesting. Dunno if I could've left myself out of it tho.

 

[Alpha 5]

I much prefer our current Billy over his predecessors so far. He is picking up some of the slack after we have lost a few players in the game.

To be honest, Tommy is one of those players who has slipped my mind lately after being replaced. I believe that I prodded them back on day 3 because we hadn't heard much from the second Tommy yet, but they have been much more active since. I think I will go and reread Tommy's day 3 and 4 content again.

Avoiding reaching lylo and having to ask ourselves if the guy with no trackrecord and like 4 posts before Day 5 is the remaining scum.

Did Zordon directly attack Billy at some point? I don't remember, but if that's the case you might have a point there. Basically I think at this point we should be Occam's Razoring the shit out of this game, seeing how we're in such an advantageous position. Other games don't have the luxury of that and have to carry that dead weight all the way to the end of the game adding uncertainty to those crucial last days. I'll still do a reread of my group of uncertains, but for now Billy is the "most obvious" vote, since on the surface they're the player we have less info about.

So Bulk, your current suggested strategy is that we build up a core of confirmed townies and lynch all of the unknowns?

It is certainly an option, since we have a few confirmed townies now. However, I would consider you to be one of the players we know comparatively little about. You haven't had to defend yourself at all yet and have mostly just been tunnelling.

 

[Skull]

Wow, pretty incredible to get 2 deathless nights in a row. Never seen that.

I think yesterday lynch ended up going the wrong direction. Early in the phase we had a dispute between Rita and Zack, which became a Rita x Zordon thunderdome of sorts after Zack built his case on him. I think this was a good result for the day, like I explained when I voted back then, a scum flip here would give us a lot of info. Instead we were lead into Black's mislynch, which turned out to be a pretty disappointing lynch. I'm trying to read into the votes during the escalation to EoD. Let's see.

After most reactions to Zack's post was done, we had this tie between Rita and Zordon. Trini comes in and breaks it in favor of a Rita lynch.



Some time after that, the vote continues to pile in that direction, with Alpha and Green voting for Zordon and turning it around. Yellow and Tommy later come and for Rita, turning it around again.








The only players that haven't voted for either Rita or Zordon are Kimberly and White Ranger, and it's in this moment that they both vote for him.





A bit after that, the thunderdome is defused and the votes get more spread. Zack follows in and votes for Black Ranger and Rita as well, some time later.

We can't know for sure now what happened with more flips, but it Kimberly and White Ranger have my attention this phase.

@White Ranger this was my take on the D3 vote. Kimberly turned out to be a cop, and that actually paints you in a worse light. Care to explain more on your vote?

 

[Skull]

I can think of two games where there were potential scum gossips: The Price Is Right Mafia, and Overwatch Mafia. In the former, the gossip chat was established between a scum player and a town player as a result of an item. In the later, the neutral could have technically linked a scum player with town, although in the final pairing both players were town.

In both cases tho, the gossip chats came about because of a third party influence where someone else (town/neutral) paired the players up. I don't think there's ever been a scum team with the ability to create an explicit gossip chat? But I could be wrong about this.

Someone pointed out that Berserk mafia had an scum gossiper.

 

[White Ranger]

I can think of two games where there were potential scum gossips: The Price Is Right Mafia, and Overwatch Mafia. In the former, the gossip chat was established between a scum player and a town player as a result of an item. In the later, the neutral could have technically linked a scum player with town, although in the final pairing both players were town.

In both cases tho, the gossip chats came about because of a third party influence where someone else (town/neutral) paired the players up. I don't think there's ever been a scum team with the ability to create an explicit gossip chat? But I could be wrong about this.

Is it really worth it to chase this train of thought? I believe it was mentioned earlier, but in Berserk the Scum JOAT had a 1-shot 1-night gossip chat they could create (surely there must be others but that is the one I remember). Even if there wasn't a precedent though a scum gossip chat doesn't seem all that outrageous to me, so why not ignore the fact it hasn't been done before and just put it in your game if you wanted to?

I may as well start collating the list of people I'll try look into tomorrow, as usual if you reckon I've missed out someone critical then bring me up on it.
I'm thinking Blue Ranger, Alpha 5 and Tommy right now.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I don’t know if any of my predecessors actually claimed correctly/completely. For anyone who cares, I could have made this gossip chat between any two people, I didn’t need to be involved in it.

Well that's interesting. Hm...

 

[Bulk]

So Bulk, your current suggested strategy is that we build up a core of confirmed townies and lynch all of the unknowns?

It is certainly an option, since we have a few confirmed townies now. However, I would consider you to be one of the players we know comparatively little about. You haven't had to defend yourself at all yet and have mostly just been tunnelling.

Yeah, I see that. On the one hand I could've been more decisive with Jason and gone after Zordon when Zack's argument for lynching him on D3, which involved many interactions of his with me, resonated with me, but I don't really regret my actions so far. I think ultimately my overall attitude against Zordon and Jason and that post from Zack will make me a difficult lynch target if I'm kept in the game for too long, so I'm hoping scum will eventually have to NK me, or I think I'll have good odds if I'm kept around in a mylo/lylo situation if it comes to that.

 

[Bulk]

Good odds of defending myself, I mean.

 

[White Ranger]

@White Ranger this was my take on the D3 vote. Kimberly turned out to be a cop, and that actually paints you in a worse light. Care to explain more on your vote?

Its certainly a good point and if you are certain that there is a scum between us then Kimberley being a cop means that it must be me, what more is there to say? As for my vote on Black Ranger I'd laid out my thoughts on him in this post and a bit in my last post of day 2, its certainly not fantastic though and neither was my vote. The reason I went with Black Ranger was that he was who I reckoned looked the strangest that day. I'd mentioned that I was feeling kinda lost and while going through Zack's reads did steady me, I still needed to do a lot of digging if I was to come up with decent scumreads on anyone else. Unfortunately there just wasn't enough time for me to be doing that.

 

[Green Ranger]

There's a precedent for scum gossips but I don't know if we have one here. There's always the chance that a gossip doesn't exist and Rita and Billy are lying but I highly doubt that. I feel better about them today but their predecessors are the ones that have me cautious about them.

 

[Bulk]

I don't know how anyone could not trust Rita right now. Seems too convoluted a possibility for me to consider.

 

[Tommy]

I don't know how anyone could not trust Rita right now. Seems too convoluted a possibility for me to consider.

Why is this? Based on interaction between Rita and Zordon? Would have to read back. I don't trust Rita.

 

[Kimberly]

I don't know how anyone could not trust Rita right now. Seems too convoluted a possibility for me to consider.

Between that and Rita’s own claim it feels like it would be far too messy for it to be a scum trick

 

[Billy]

I know I was asked earlier on my read of Rita, now that I’ve had more time with her in gossip chat and reading the thread, I town lean her. The thing I was looking for was any indication of why she used her power the way she did which I never really found but the timing does read just like a crap shoot so it doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it would.

 

[Kimberly]

Interesting point. I found this post by Zordon a bit back and he does seem to push for inactives a lot. He seems frustrated with them in that post actually.

Part of this is what makes me think there must be scum in the inactives. Perhaps his frustration lies in the fact that he was having to carry all of the weight and do most of the heavy lifting.

There’s also the fact that part of his cover story when trying to paint me in a bad light was that he had been blocked when trying to track the night before. This suggests that either he tried to kill and really was blocked or for some reason they couldn’t put the kill in.

Nobody even came to his aid in any way, shape or form yesterday. (Even though this probably would have been suicide for whatever scum attempted it). It really feels that there might be inactive scum and this was the root of his frustration.

 

[Kimberly]

Why is this? Based on interaction between Rita and Zordon? Would have to read back. I don't trust Rita.

What’s causing your lack of trust?

 

[Bulk]

Why is this? Based on interaction between Rita and Zordon? Would have to read back. I don't trust Rita.

Yes

 

[Billy]

Part of this is what makes me think there must be scum in the inactives. Perhaps his frustration lies in the fact that he was having to carry all of the weight and do most of the heavy lifting.

There’s also the fact that part of his cover story when trying to paint me in a bad light was that he had been blocked when trying to track the night before. This suggests that either he tried to kill and really was blocked or for some reason they couldn’t put the kill in.

Nobody even came to his aid in any way, shape or form yesterday. (Even though this probably would have been suicide for whatever scum attempted it). It really feels that there might be inactive scum and this was the root of his frustration.

Interesting, haven’t gotten that far yet but that’s very likely a case of Zordon thinking he was blocked and translated it to his fake claim. Odder though is he would have no way of knowing if he was blocked or hit protection so I wonder why he jumped to that conclusion. Could be safety to get in front of a possible roleblock claim but I wonder if there’s more to it.

 

[Tommy]

What’s causing your lack of trust?

Continuation of my D3 doubt. Paused yesterday obviously by red check. But if it's purely based on Zordon interaction it could be. Haven't read back yet

 

[Tommy]

I see no point in lynching Billy today. It will give us no info whatsoever. We got to give him a fighting chance. At least it's looking good atm.

 

[Yellow Ranger]

Zordon definitely tried to steer things towards Billy IIRC. I don’t think that’s a lynch I could get behind today.

Yellow Ranger drops his convenient RNG vote on Jason while Jason has the lead to vote for someone else that flips the lead. This was an hour or two before day end so not huge, but looks real off knowing Jason's alignment.

My vote on Jason that day wasn’t even an RNG vote, I don’t do those.

 

[Billy]

Zordon definitely tried to steer things towards Billy IIRC. I don’t think that’s a lynch I could get behind today.



My vote on Jason that day wasn’t even an RNG vote, I don’t do those.

Fair enough, went back and looked at that vote again and I see you were knocking RNG votes, I was too tired last night. I think what bothered me is it was such an early vote that got sat on for awhile and then was dropped when he actually had heat in him. The actual reasoning initially wasn’t the problem.

 

[Skull]

Yeah, I can’t get behind a vote for Billy today. Understand Bulk’s reasoning for it, but disagree wholeheartedly. We shouldn’t change our lynching method because we have an advantage, we should keep at it.

 

[Skull]

Its certainly a good point and if you are certain that there is a scum between us then Kimberley being a cop means that it must be me, what more is there to say? As for my vote on Black Ranger I'd laid out my thoughts on him in this post and a bit in my last post of day 2, its certainly not fantastic though and neither was my vote. The reason I went with Black Ranger was that he was who I reckoned looked the strangest that day. I'd mentioned that I was feeling kinda lost and while going through Zack's reads did steady me, I still needed to do a lot of digging if I was to come up with decent scumreads on anyone else. Unfortunately there just wasn't enough time for me to be doing that.

Didn’t say that. It’s the vote that got my attention at the moment, but certainly not a smoking gun...

 

[Trini]

@Blue Ranger

Thoughts?

 

[Skull]

Want to hear more from Blue as well. Feel like nothing sticked on him other than D1 shenanigans.

 

[Tommy]

Reread of Rita; the points from my day 3 suspicion still stand. She was on Red Ranger lynch Day 2. For how that event unfolded I still wouldn't be surprised if there was scum on that lynch. Leaving Rita, Zack and Alpha. None of them are cleared. Rita's case against the now cleared Trini and this weird claim thing. Nothing changed from that.

So Rita and Zordon. Rita was prominently on Zordon, which is in her advantage. Thing that is giving me a bit of pause here is that it was a "gut read" and that the vote ended on Black. It was self-preservation + she was suspicious of Black Ranger, but still. Maybe she knew all along she'd vote Black. Good thing Rita came back d4 with a lynch Zordon mentality before Kimberly came in.

I have to come back with my tail between my legs. Would not vote Rita. While I am still behind my original suspicion of her, the Zordon push/lynch and flip is a pretty big town case for her.

 

[Billy]

The biggest thing I see from Rita is probably the silliest but why does a scummate go out of their way to pre-game scum read a teammate and then continue pushing it for so much of day 1? It’s such a negative play (in terms of actual mindshare) since no one is going to take the read seriously so it gains nothing if Zordon does actually flip super early because most will dismiss it in favor of people who actually voted for real reasons.

Obviously I see it turned into a real read later but that whole beginning doesn’t typically happen between scummates.

 

[Green Ranger]

There's always the chance that they wanted us to fall into the trap of thinking it isn't likely, although I agree that it's probably not the case.

 

[Trini]

Why do people trust Rita exactly? What about her looks town? Not her vote record nor her behavior certainly.

 

[Blue Ranger]

For what it's worth, my slight town read of Billy comes largely from his predecessors. While it's difficult to build a case upon what isn't there, I wouldn't fault anyone building a case based upon what is there. However little it may be.

Although I must admit Billy the Third is doing a very good job of impressing me, simply because I actually have someone to bounce thoughts and ideas off of now.

Wait, what exactly did Billy Previous do to make you town read them? Besides inviting you to gossip, because their inactivity is NAI.

I don't know how anyone could not trust Rita right now. Seems too convoluted a possibility for me to consider.

I trust that Rita and Billy are in gossip but I don't know how that relates to trusting Rita. Unless I'm miscontruing something?

@Blue Ranger

Thoughts?

On what? In general or is there anything specific?

The biggest thing I see from Rita is probably the silliest but why does a scummate go out of their way to pre-game scum read a teammate and then continue pushing it for so much of day 1? It’s such a negative play (in terms of actual mindshare) since no one is going to take the read seriously so it gains nothing if Zordon does actually flip super early because most will dismiss it in favor of people who actually voted for real reasons.

Obviously I see it turned into a real read later but that whole beginning doesn’t typically happen between scummates.

I mean...I can understand where you're coming from but that does seem like something scum would do to not create weird vacuums between members. It gives them something to fall back on when the other is lynched.

 

[Tommy]

Leaves Zack and Alpha on the Red-Ranger-Rac train. First Alpha, because I can already feel a headache coming up from a Zack reread;

I'm not a big fan of day one reading. Some interesting things tho; his voting behaviour, which we discussed and he explained, but its still suspicious. And I just noted this post. Which could be seen as an inventarisation on the Jason lynch, since there was no follow up at all, but that's probably a stretch.

Day 2 is the red ranger vote shenanigans. Also already discussed. Also this. Or would that be to easy? Keep in mind Green Ranger is town and Zordon is scum.

Day 3 is actually pretty strong compared to day 1 and 2. Alpha joined Rita and Zack on the Zordon lynch after the case Zack made against Zordon. Alpha even stayed there while Rita and Zack left. Only switched to his other scumread Black when the Zordon D3 lynch wasn't going to happen. Thing that worries me that Alpha has now been wrong about Finster, Goldar, Trini (iirc), Green and Black, while having a suspicious day 1 and in lesser extent day 2 voting record.

 

[Billy]

Wait, what exactly did Billy Previous do to make you town read them? Besides inviting you to gossip, because their inactivity is NAI.

I trust that Rita and Billy are in gossip but I don't know how that relates to trusting Rita. Unless I'm miscontruing something?

On what? In general or is there anything specific?

I mean...I can understand where you're coming from but that does seem like something scum would do to not create weird vacuums between members. It gives them something to fall back on when the other is lynched.

It doesn’t though, you’d be laughed out of the thread if you seriously tried to point to that as anything of substance. It has no real reason to happen, especially when they could just be bullshitting in the scum thread pre game. It certainly isn’t a planned manuver especially but it’s the classic “they wouldn’t do that because it draws attention” and I know everyone hates that but it’s true.

 

[Tommy]

Why do people trust Rita exactly? What about her looks town? Not her vote record nor her behavior certainly.

Zordon/Rita connection. I think especially if you read back day 3 in that regard, i can't see a scum/scum connection there.

 

[Alpha 5]

Tommy, it sounds like the entire basis for your case against me is that my reads have been bad. Which I will admit is true. But I have been trying to put in effort to find leads where other people haven't looked yet.

I stand behind my votes on Green and Red day 2. Yes, I was wrong, and both are town. But I arrived at my scum reads on them by doing my best to analyze votes and look for suspicious behavior. Hell, Red was intentionally trying to play scummy and draw attention to himself, because rac was trying the make the most out of his Celebrity role. I scum read both of those players throughout that Day phase, and I stand by my reasoning.

I am not sure which post you are referring to specifically with your first link, since it just takes me to the top of page 8. As for your second link, I can't tell you what was motivating Zordon there. Trying to look town, I presume.

 

[Tommy]

Tommy, it sounds like the entire basis for your case against me is that my reads have been bad. Which I will admit is true. But I have been trying to put in effort to find leads where other people haven't looked yet.

I stand behind my votes on Green and Red day 2. Yes, I was wrong, and both are town. But I arrived at my scum reads on them by doing my best to analyze votes and look for suspicious behavior. Hell, Red was intentionally trying to play scummy and draw attention to himself, because rac was trying the make the most out of his Celebrity role. I scum read both of those players throughout that Day phase, and I stand by my reasoning.

I am not sure which post you are referring to specifically with your first link, since it just takes me to the top of page 8. As for your second link, I can't tell you what was motivating Zordon there. Trying to look town, I presume.

I was just laying out my recent thoughts of you. It's not a scum case against you. Thought your day 3 was pretty solid. But I'm not forgetting all your wrong reads. If it was a scum conclusion I would've voted, because I'm trying to find scum on the red lynch, but can't find it.

First link works for me. Probably something wrong with 100# or 50# post pages. It supposed to link to #384.

 

[Alpha 5]

Okay, I get you now. Thanks for mentioning the post number. There must have been a glitch in the link somehow.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Wait, what exactly did Billy Previous do to make you town read them? Besides inviting you to gossip, because their inactivity is NAI.

OG!Billy gave me a slight town read because he admitted upon joining the gossip chat that he picked it. I don't think a scum player would have been so open and fourthcoming about that info. Likewise, Neo Billy continued that town read by being forthcoming with information for the basically three posts he was there.

 

[Blue Ranger]

OG!Billy gave me a slight town read because he admitted upon joining the gossip chat that he picked it. I don't think a scum player would have been so open and fourthcoming about that info. Likewise, Neo Billy continued that town read by being forthcoming with information for the basically three posts he was there.

That he picked the chat or that he picked the you?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

That he picked the chat or that he picked the you?

Well, he said that he had faith he made the right decision by picking me, but what I took as a town tell was the basically the unprovoked admittance that he was responsible for the gossip chat. I don't think a scum player would have done that.

 

[Kimberly]

I'll be honest, I'm not that surprised. I was suspicious of him, Rita and Zack after the BR push, but I feel better about Zack in retrospect, thinking about his Zordon push.

Always felt like there was definitely scum in there. I'm kind of surprised you were a cop though.

How are you feeling about Rita now if you're feeling better about Zack?

Pleasantly surprised that I'm a cop?

 

[Kimberly]

There's a lot more chat from some of the quieter players now that Zordon is gone.

He was either a loud voice that drowned some people out.

Or the other scum members are trying to step up their game.

 

[Green Ranger]

For being day 5 and having two dead scum, I'm having a hard time picking someone to lynch today. It probably doesn't help that scum missed two night kills so we have a larger pool left alive than we normally would. Tommy today, as I mentioned at some point, isn't really suspicious to me but their predecessors are. There's the three way vote where they voted for Trini which is the main thing that sticks out.

I did notice that some of the quieter players have been speaking up today. Though you could argue it the opposite way and say that some of the more active players have been quieter as well.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

There's a lot more chat from some of the quieter players now that Zordon is gone.

He was either a loud voice that drowned some people out.

Or the other scum members are trying to step up their game.

It's probably both. I'm on the look out for players who are unusually antagonistic or questionable of other players right now, because at this point in the game I think they'd want to be distancing themselves a bit.

 

[Yellow Ranger]

Why do people trust Rita exactly? What about her looks town? Not her vote record nor her behavior certainly.

Main thing for me is her noted suspicion of Zordon D3 following Zack’s case. If I ignore that then I would scum read her as I have been prior to the Zordon flip. Scum Zordon is having me second guess that read.

 

[Blue Ranger]

How are you feeling about Rita now if you're feeling better about Zack?

Pleasantly surprised that I'm a cop?

I'm conflicted. On one hand, yeah they were antagonistic towards each other, but I'm trying to think if that coalesced into anything major. BR's lynch being a prime example where Zordon pushed for Rita lynch and then kind of fizzled out, and Zack's Zordon push that day being a reasonably good place for Rita to campaign for Zordon. I'm trying to ascertain if they were scum/scum or town/scum, but I'm unsure.

I'll say that Rita did back up Kimberly's cop claim immediately, so there's that.

I was honestly surprised you were a cop because I'd been sure you and PR were up to some hijinks, and when she was came out neutral I started suspecting you weren't clean either.

 

[Zack]

Hey everyone :3
I have some stuff for y'all.

I went back for a light reread of the first three phases with Zordon's flip in mind, focusin' mostly on Zordon and Tommy. I came out of it with very mixed feelings about Tommy, but it also made me consider one of my scumreads back from D3 again.

My general impression of Zordon's play is this: they were very pushy against townies, laying into them with every little opportunity over even the smallest things. This happened throughout the game all the way to D3.
Zordon spent most of D1 and D2 giving heat to players like (confirmed townie) Black, (confirmed townie) Goldar, (very likely townie) Trini and (likely townie) Bulk over the pettiest shit. I've brought both situations up before, but Trini and Bulk will be able to remember these arguments: Zordon spent a lot of energy scrutinizing their behavior and their votes against Jason.

What makes this particularly interesting is the fact that Zordon wasn't like that towards their scummate Jason, despite the fact that Jason had made the weirdest-looking D1 posts out of everyone (so weird that said posts eventually led to them being lynched, with the people who first noticed them reigniting the Jason train on D2).

This is the only post in which Zordon is somewhat critical of Jason (and it came when a Jason D1 lynched seemed very likely):

you trust White Ranger and Trini???

Which finally brings me to my point: Zordon seemed disproportionately forgiving towards Yellow.

Zordon threw some shade at Yellow's early D1 inputs:

I'm kind of stuck on these two posts at the moment. This is Yellow Ranger's only contribution so far and it's a lot of hot air and very wishy washy. Depending on what else Yellow Ranger puts out, I'm getting some soft scum vibes off this attempt to look busy while saying not much at all that can be pinned down~

But then, after Yellow came back and basically repeated their material from before, Zordon 180º'ed on them - and it feels very unwarranted, especially compared to how much pressure they put against people like Black and Trini. Unless I missed something, this is also basically their last real interaction before Jason is lynched.

I'm starting to think Yellow is just repetitive and that makes me feel a little better about them actually? This post says the same thing twice essentially but at least it's a good explanation and I think on point about the issue with Tommy's tactic that went nowhere. Tommy voted as a "prod," unvoted for nothing, and then explained what they wanted to get before they got it which is such a waste of several posts.

Fast forward to D3, and Yellow was very quick to try to disarm at least part of my big argument against Zordon (White also did the same later, and also looks worse because of it).

Zack, I don’t think the interaction between Zordon and Bulk is that suspicious personally, i can see where zordon was coming from in that the two quoted bulk posts did seem incongruous. I do however think you raise a good point with zordon’s sudden interest in a jason lynch- i an reminded of jason having to ask why trini was scummy and then her being his top scum read out of nowhere

And for the sake of completeness, here are my original reasons for suspecting Yellow:

Re: Yellow

- This might sound weird at first, but hear me out: Yellow's initial vote against Jason feels awkward and unnatural (#147). This is basically their first action in the game.
- Yellow pushes strangely hard against Jason due to Rita's joke-y reads list. They claim "Rita comes off looking good to me", despite the fact that that list had very little actual meat to it.
- Yellow stays on Jason for basically the entire phase, even defending their vote a couple of times. But then, when push came to shove...

- Yellow decides to unvote off of Jason and onto Finster, bringing the Jason vote from the lead and tying everything up Jason 3, Trini 3, Finster 3, essentially killing the Jason train's (which they started) momentum.

On a positive note, though, I like the wording in Yellow's eventual D4 vote against Zordon (the "we have a good momentum and are in a good place to check this out" part, specifically).

Things just got a whole lot more complicated, geez. Initial thoughts are that we have to verify Zordon’s flip, especially in light of two deathless nights and one of those days having a scum lynch. We have good momentum and are in a good place to check this out, additionally we’d get Green and Trini confirmed if this works out.

VOTE: Zordon

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Huuuuh.... interesting find, Zack.

 

[Zack]

On the subject of Tommy, though... I dunno, man.

Zordon seemed to be really infatuated with Tommy from the get-go, and I can't really put my finger in it.

Right off the bat they come in with a compliment that looks uncharacteristic compared to the rest of their output.

I approve of Tommy calling out Goldar for not being active even if it's not yet 24 hours yet but I don't want to pile on there. Just hey @Goldar are you coming?

What's more tellin' and worryin', though, is how a lot of Zordon's behavior towards people who vote against Tommy echoes beat by beat their behavior towards Jason voters.

These posts were made in reaction to Trini's vote on Tommy:

is that... really... conflict??

this feels like a reach...

does not think Tommy is mafia but votes Tommy
immediately says other people are doing the same thing, does not vote them

And then there are posts like this:

What would make town not lazy in your eyes? posting the same repetitive stuff about town being lazy until you are the post leader? Because I see lots of people trying to make stuff happen. And why does Tommy get a pass from you in particular? What about Yellow Ranger or Billy?

That just show a strange focus on Tommy in a weird way.

- 100 Townie points

If things stopped there, I'd be 110% in for Tommy's lynch today. However...

How do YOU feel about the game so far? You haven’t offered much but a couple comments.

So wait here let me see if I understand:

Goldar reacted in a scummyish way for you? I guess? But that’s it? You got nothing else? No push? No other questions?

Zordon did throw some shade at Tommy, which they didn't towards Jason.

+... 15 Townie points?

But also:

No, Tommy, my person, this was not the same as all the other prod votes and that is exactly what all the posts are about. You didn't prod anything. Like a cartoon villain, you laid a scheme and revealed it immediately and now I can only guess you aren't really reading what anyone is saying because you are so interested in doubling down and insisting that your cartoon villain plan was right

And now! you're blaming everyone else when you didn't have to explain anything at all. That was your choice.

The garbage thing is I town read this kind of behavior~

Zordon ultimately defuses their own criticisms of Tommy with the line "The garbage thing is I town read this kind of behavior", which feels like a way to give Tommy an out to escape the shade Zordon threw themselves.

- 15 Townie points

 

[Zack]

Oh, and one extra fun tidbit about Yellow -

In Zordon's big D1 reads list

Looking at the bare minimum posters~

(...)

3. Yellow Ranger has only six posts which is not very many for someone who is repetitive. Something about them is pinging me and this is a slot I want to watch at day end for any reasonable activity at all. The posts are full of hedging and

They actually never finished typing their Yellow read, which is something I've done once or twice during my loooooong (>.>) streak of games as Scum when I'd be extremely carefully choosin' my words of a read on a teammate.

Again: not a big deal per se. Just a bonus observation :3

 

[Zack]

A couple of random thoughts on other players:

- Rita: I still can't quite consider them cleared yet, even though I wouldn't want to lynch them today. You can look back at my big D3 read of them if you want details of this, but I'm still getting mixed signals from them. Even during today's reread I came out in doubt. Zordon was somewhat combative towards Rita (#233), but they also gave Rita some townie points that seemed a little bit iffy - maybe trying to pocket them, sure (#345) -, and they straight-up townread Rita alongside myself for our antics* (#1340). In this last post, straight-up townreading two townies like that would be very bold - which makes me wary. And there's also the fact that Rita seems to be a good player, which also makes me extra careful.

- Billy: They got snarky with me when defending my own arguments from myself, which was weird as fuck, which I always appreciate. Their PR is 100% NAI, though, and I'd like to hear more from Rita on that gossip chat thing - did you feel like Billy was trying to pocket you in the short and few posts that they made in there?
The "Zordon could be frustrated with an inactive teammate" that was brought up a little while ago also could lead to Billy.
I get Bulk's wariness about them.

- White: :/
I admit that I haven't looked into it yet, but your posts back from D3 actually helped disarm my push against Zordon in some level. I don't consider the way you were the one who brought that up today alignment indicative, either. I'm wary of you.

Also wary about Blue and Alpha. I haven't reread them after Zordon's flip, but the very fact that the flip doesn't immediately change my perception of them is enough to worry me.

*I don't know what Zordon's talking about when they refer to my antics, though :3

 

[Rita Repulsa]

- Billy: They got snarky with me when defending my own arguments from myself, which was weird as fuck, which I always appreciate. Their PR is 100% NAI, though, and I'd like to hear more from Rita on that gossip chat thing - did you feel like Billy was trying to pocket you in the short and few posts that they made in there?
The "Zordon could be frustrated with an inactive teammate" that was brought up a little while ago also could lead to Billy.
I get Bulk's wariness about them.

OG Billy, perhaps. They came off as very positive in their choice of a chat partner, and outright considered me town in the first post.

Neo Billy was a bit more odd. His initial description when he posted in there gave me the impression he was town reading me (he called me "Moon Scum"), but then he made a post openly in the this thread on Day 3 saying he town read me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Although... now that you mention it. Neo Billy did explicitly mention Tommy by name. I told him that I considered him town because his predecessor gave me no reason to suggest he wasn't town. He responded by saying he was the purest and most noble-hearted ranger, unlike Tommy. (Paraphrased his words, as I'm not sure I can directly quote.) I assumed it was just flavor at the time tho...

And for the record, OG Billy had two posts in there, Neo Billy had three posts in there.

 

[Zack]

And since I saw some people throwing some doubt at Kimberly's alignment:

Hey @Zack in your rereads have you looked at Kimberly's posts on Jason?

I originally started looking at Kimberly for her vote on Black Ranger. It felt very familiar and that's because she's barely moved. She voted Black yesterday and then again today after some mild shade on me after Zack's post. So I started digging in and there's a lot but I'll hit some highlights since I don't think this will come to anything today but she should be looked at tomorrow. First here's her reread of Jason when he was up for lynch


I guess she never really decided one way or another since she just seemed to kind of drop it. But she questioned a few people about their Jason votes:

Did you do that reread on Blue Ranger? Do you have a general readlist, Kimberly? From your vote on Black Ranger today it seems like you don't have any special feelings about the game at all at this point, outside of defending Rita's claim today. For two days Black has only been an also-ran candidate so I'm wondering if you have any particular reads on other players.

There's also some both-sides play here but this post in particular seems to be letting Jason do some work to set up mislynches

Zordon not only tried to direct me towards scrutinizing Kimberly on D3, but they also spent their final hours looking for "scumtells" in Kimberly's posts.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

gave me the impression he was town reading me (he called me "Moon Scum")

... That should say "gave me the impression he was scum reading me" x_X;

 

[Zack]

(Final hours of D3, I meant.)

 

[Zack]

OG Billy, perhaps. They came off as very positive in their choice of a chat partner, and outright considered me town in the first post.

Neo Billy was a bit more odd. His initial description when he posted in there gave me the impression he was town reading me (he called me "Moon Scum"), but then he made a post openly in the this thread on Day 3 saying he town read me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Although... now that you mention it. Neo Billy did explicitly mention Tommy by name. I told him that I considered him town because his predecessor gave me no reason to suggest he wasn't town. He responded by saying he was the purest and most noble-hearted ranger, unlike Tommy. (Paraphrased his words, as I'm not sure I can directly quote.) I assumed it was just flavor at the time tho...

And for the record, OG Billy had two posts in there, Neo Billy had three posts in there.

 

[Billy]

As I've said already without putting in the specific examples, I agree on Zordon. They seemed to be pretty basic in terms of how they handled teammates which is one of the reasons why I think all signs point to Tommy. His reads list day one has another scum in it besides Jason and most others are cleared or dead.

 

[Green Ranger]

Before looking at their posts, I could not have told you a single thing that Yellow Ranger has said in this game. They've left pretty much no impression and when I actually look at their posts, they generally feel pretty safe.

There's the post Zack brought up with their Zordon vote but by that point, it was already clear that Zordon was dead. Scum had no reason to try to vote for someone else.

This post is what raised my attention.

pending a rita scum flip, i think there’s a good chance of scum being her, alpha, and black. Black is super commonly scum read from what ive seen, so he makes sense as a target to save for a bus. looking at the current rita votes, rac is confirmed town and I strongly believe bulk and trini are town. I feel decent about skull, and obviously I feel good about myself. tommy is a grey area for me who I kind of suspect, and would like to keep looking at. I think scum needs to be on the zordon vote to make it a legitimate candidate for today’s lynch.

If Rita doesn’t flip scum then idk though. This is obviously thinking very far in advance and there are all sorts of flips we’ll get that can change this line of thought

The scum picks were fairly safe for that time since Black had been suspected for ages and Rita and Alpha had both had growing suspicions over them. The line that stands out now is Yellow throwing shade at the Zordon voters by saying that scum were definitely there. Obviously we know now that Zordon was scum so this could have been a attempt to push those votes away from Zordon.


Vote: Yellow Ranger

If Yellow flips scum, I'd be inclined to look at Tommy tomorrow with the gray area comment. If I read this with the bias of Yellow being scum, it feels like someone hedging their bets when reading their teammate. If sentiment goes against Tommy, they have a post they can point at and say that they suspected them slightly before.

 

[Yellow Ranger]

They've left pretty much no impression and when I actually look at their posts, they generally feel pretty safe.

I’m sorry you feel that way. I still think I have a pretty good vote record however and that’s not as subjective. I was on Finster day 1 I admit, but I was on both Jason (pressured D1 and D2 in addition to being one of the earlier votes D2) and Zordon. You call out my scum reads, but those reads were conditional on a scum Rita flip, which I’ve yet to see. You’ll notice that in previous posts I had maintained that Black was someone I thought was town due to the heat I thought they were getting since very early on. That Zordon line doesn’t look good I admit, but I was SUPER on board with the Rita being scum train at that point.

 

[Billy]

I said it in gossip but Rita isn't around and no real reason for me not to say it here. Absolutely would not push the line today because there's no point yet but I am absolutely entertaining Green being a godfather and I am going to quadruple down on it if Tommy is scum.

 

[Blue Ranger]

I said it in gossip but Rita isn't around and no real reason for me not to say it here. Absolutely would not push the line today because there's no point yet but I am absolutely entertaining Green being a godfather and I am going to quadruple down on it if Tommy is scum.

That's an interesting conclusion. What specifically makes you think godfather when it comes to Green?

 

[Sawneeks]

==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start

tommy (3 votes)
zack - #2431
rita repulsa - #2433
billy - #2502

billy (1 votes)
bulk - #2427

bulk (1 votes)
alpha 5 - #2493

yellow ranger (1 votes)
green ranger - #2587

rita repulsa (1 votes)
trini - #2476

Post Counts:
tommy: 30 billy: 29 zack: 18 rita repulsa: 17 skull: 17 kimberly: 12 blue ranger: 10 trini: 9 bulk: 8 alpha 5: 7 green ranger: 7 yellow ranger: 4 white ranger: 3 sawneeks: 1

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

Majority is 7
Day Ends in:

 

[Billy]

That's an interesting conclusion. What specifically makes you think godfather when it comes to Green?

My entire read of the thread has been riddled with scum reads on green with the only thing making me think otherwise is the check. This newest vote smells horrible if Tommy is scum because they jumped on the only other lead presented on what I see as a much weaker conclusion.

Green was protecting Jason day 1 and that was even a talking point when Jason’s votes were coming down that was then lost with the check.

 

[Alpha 5]

Hmm, I have to admit that I may have honestly forgotten that we had a Yellow Ranger in this game. I guess I have to agree that Yellow's posts don't leave a strong impression.

 

[Zack]

I said it in gossip but Rita isn't around and no real reason for me not to say it here. Absolutely would not push the line today because there's no point yet but I am absolutely entertaining Green being a godfather and I am going to quadruple down on it if Tommy is scum.

I've thought of this but didn't say it out loud because I don't think it's advantageous for Town to do so. If you're wrong, then you've potentially just moved Green from the "need to kill soon" list to the "possible mislynch" list.

Which basically means I'm unhappy with the fact that you just said it. >:(

 

[Zack]

Yellow, do you only respond to people who vote for you? :/

 

[Kimberly]

Why would Zordon keep going “why isn’t anyone going for Green?” if Green was scum?

Like Zordon really pushed for a Green lynch on a couple of occasions.

 

[Yellow Ranger]

Yellow, do you only respond to people who vote for you? :/

No, it’s more that I don’t think there’s much for me to say of importance in response to what you’ve said about me here, outside of my own voting record which I mentioned in response to Green. I’d already responded to your original criticism against me. I can’t speak to Zordon changing his tune towards me because that was on his end- it’s unfortunate for me, but I don’t think it’s that telling. And as for me going against your argument for Zordon, not much to say other than I stand by what I said about Bulk’s posts in question: they were odd taken together.

 

[Kimberly]

No, it’s more that I don’t think there’s much for me to say of importance in response to what you’ve said about me here, outside of my own voting record which I mentioned in response to Green. I’d already responded to your original criticism against me. I can’t speak to Zordon changing his tune towards me because that was on his end- it’s unfortunate for me, but I don’t think it’s that telling. And as for me going against your argument for Zordon, not much to say other than I stand by what I said about Bulk’s posts in question: they were odd taken together.

Yellow who are you feeling bad about right now and who are your Towniest of Towns?

 

[Kimberly]

Tommy (sorry I intended on following up on this but it slipped my mind):


Are you at all concerned that these “copied” reasons could also be construed as something that could have been agreed upon in scum chat?

I mean you both have the exact same reasons, zordon just provided quotes that he thought backed them up (grasping at straws as he was).

Are you worried that the points you made could have been ones that had been negotiated in scum chat and then Zordon decided to flesh them out a bit after seeing that yours hadn’t picked up much attention?

 

[Tommy]

Slightly concerned yes. I mean it was pretty weird. Maybe it's in my advantage that he completely ignored my posts and the convo you and I had about it.

As I read it now he might have just copied my case because it was valid and he was going after easy lynches the whole time. He needed to build a case himself aswell. It was a while ago you and I talked about it and I've moved on to Rita afterwards, and I think my case against you was forgotten and ignored by everybody. So maybe he saw that as a chance.

What's interesting tho that Blue Ranger made a comment after Zordon with something like; "we finally going to look into Kimberly now?"