Scum Thread Bandora's Palace

Zordon

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It's pretty bad, but we don't give up.

Gonna claim tracker and say I got blocked last night and Kimberly was probably the blocker.
 

Skull

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Yeah, it’s a good fake claim considering the circumstances. I will take my time to vote for you despite pushing for it.
 

Skull

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At least it was you and not me or Alpha. Though I don’t even know if we are safe after this.
 

Zordon

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Looks like I'm gonna get the weekend off, but hey, that's fine. A red check is a red check. I suppose I could have claimed neutral but I've got too much going on here to make that work right now I think and after yesterday it's unlikely anyway was going to not lynch me today so GODSPEED, YOU TWO. Do the best you can but damn if we haven't had a cursed run this game.
 

Zordon

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Yeah, it’s no good. I had been thinking about a neutral claim earlier in the game and instead I went with what I prepped yesterday. It was a fuckup. I should have claimed neutral. Probably wouldn’t have flown after Pink but it might have gone over better. Sorry, dudes.
 

Alpha 5

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It's okay. To be honest, you were dead as soon as Kimberly claimed a red check, so don't blame yourself too much. None of us expected her to be a cop.
 

Zordon

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Probably, with town’s numbers, they’d have lynched me to be safe but it would have been better claim. Oh well. I will choose to blame Sneeks somehow.

:thisisfine:
 

Skull

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“If Zordon does end up flipping scum

Then it's very likely that scum is already bussing them. The first thing you do when a teammate gets red-checked is... you know

Keep that in mind“

Yup. This was the post I was waiting for.
 

Skull

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We are completely fucked. If we somehow turn it around and win this then I can’t lose anymore.

I think going neutral could have helped somehow, but I didn’t think of it as well. That’s a huge shame...
 

Skull

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Don’t think we will get much out of this today, the lynch is set...

Man.. what a mess. Spec thread must be amazing.
 

Skull

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Player List:
1. [They/Them] Tommy
2. [m] Billy
4. [f] Rita Repulsa
6. [m] Blue Ranger
7. [m] Green Ranger (green check)
10. [m] Bulk
11. [f] Trini (green check)
13. [m] Red Ranger [m] rac - Town Username Celebrity
14. [f] Kimberly - Cop with no shots left
15. [They/Them] Zack
16. [m] Skull
17. [They/Them] Yellow Ranger
18. [m] Alpha 5
19. [m] White Ranger
 

Skull

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We have way too many targets right now. I think we need to go for one of the confirmed players, we have zero leeway with the other players.
 

Skull

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We need a master plan...

I think we need to get one of the game runners on our side. It’s the only way.
 

Skull

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But anyway, I feel like we need a top tier gambit at this point. Me and Alpha can trudge along a few more days, but not nearly enough for us to win.

I feel like Rita will be onto me when Zordon flips. Kinda want to kill her.

Do you guys have an idea? I feel like me and Alpha need to softly scum read one another in preparation for the ultimate bus already.
 

Alpha 5

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I'm like 90% sure we're all mincemeat, but I'll keep trudging along for the sake of the team.

Though I am fairly confident I am next on the chopping block.

I vote we kill rac when we get the chance. We need fewer confirmed townies.
 

Skull

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I’m so afraid of hiting protection again, even though it’s obviously WIFOM, I keep going over it in my head.

Maybe Trini had a BP?
 

Zordon

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rac is not your biggest threat. I am willing to bet Trini had a bp. Kimberly is out of shots supposedly. All three are basically confirmed and you do have to get them but I dunno if I’d go rac first. Maybe.
 

Skull

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rac isn’t as motivated as the rest. I think he shouldn’t be our priority right now. Between the three, I think Trini is the best target.

Afraid that she can be something else though and we fail to kill again.
 

Skull

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When Zordon flips goon, we could push a bit for the idea that scum have a godfather or something like that too.

Harder to do that when/if me or Alpha flip though.
 

Skull

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What can we get from the fact white and billy haven’t posted?

I mean, it’s totally in bad faith, but hammering would make Billy be under the 10 post requirement three days in a row.

God damn, this game is making me a maniac.
 

Skull

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Not talking about getting him mod killed though, that’s completely up to the moderation and we can’t force that.

Making him lose an entire phase is plenty already. I know I’d be pretty distressed.
 

Alpha 5

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It was nice working with you again Monkey.

Anyways, we have four confirmed townies: rac, Trini, Green Ranger, and Kimberly. We have to start triming that list down.

I am not going to presume that town is out of defenses, so it comes down to figuring out which player is the least likely to be defended. Trini was either protected by a doctor or had a bulletproof given to her. Worst case, she is a Commuter.

I think rac is the safest choice to kill, because we know that he doesn't have any inherent defensive abilities, and he is more likely to be passed over in favor of blocking the others.

Unless someone gave him a bulletproof. Argh.

I don't agree about rac being unmotivated though. He seems pretty aggressive to me.
 

Skull

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I’m depressed.

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Skull

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Hmm, what about going for Green Ranger?

rac is pretty aggresive yeah, but that’s mostly because he doesn’t need to mince words at all. He’s 100% confirmed so we can take what he says at face value.

Do you see him building a case agaisnt us like Zack did on Zordon? I feel like he’s a gut read player, which got amplified by his PR.
 

Skull

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I confess I want to get Rita tonight. That would be a confirmed kill for us, and I do think she will be onto me after her interaction with Zordon on me.

Doubtful that she will get votes today after Zordon’s flip.
 

Skull

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Maybe we can indirectly bring up godfathers into the mix to throw some shade into Green (Trini not so much).

Indirectly because when they flip town we would be suspect as hell.
 

Skull

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Had the thought that Green could be a vig and we blocked him the night he used it.

What do you think? Would he take the shot at you? I vaguely remember him pushing a bit for you.
 

Skull

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I mean, I think there’s a vig because if not, what power am I supposed to copy?

Alignment cop is useless for us, Gossip chat pretty much as well (maybe for a fake claim later, but meh) and BP giver only makes sense if town has a killing role as well.
No signs of a serial killer too, maybe he is a X-shot or can only kill later, but that doesn’t seem likely.

Tracker or a watcher could help too, but I think there’s more than one possible role for me to copy.
 

Skull

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If we can get some vig shots, we could have some nice 2 deaths nights that could turn this around.
 

Skull

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Would a vig sit on his shot for 3 days like this? I find that unlikely...

Knowing who Green would definitely help us here.
 

Skull

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I’m tunneling, but I think we should kill Rita since she could be lying about her role and is probably suspicious of me, and jail Green.
 

Alpha 5

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Rita isn't 100% confirmed town, so I am reluctant to target her. I would only do so if you are confident that she is actually a doctor, but I am inclined to think it is someone else.

If we don't trim down the confirmed town list, we are doomed. We can rely on my jail to deal with power roles.

Actually, this is a good time to ask Sawneeks: can I use both my jail and the kill, or likewise can Skull use both the copy and kill in one phase? My PM didn't specify.
 

Skull

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My PM is not explicit as well, but I think we can’t do that.

I believe we can’t jail + kill or copy + kill for that matter.

But ok, you agree with jailing Green? Will think a bit about the kill target.
 

Alpha 5

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Yeah, I guess I am okay with jailing Green.

Man, I am going to need to get a story together in case I need to claim. Unfortunately, I can't just use my list of actual jail targets, since it would be suspicious as hell.
 

Skull

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I think you can actually. Wouldn’t it make sense for you to jail him again since we had no kill last phase?

N1 - Pink
N2 - Trini
N3 - Green
N4 - Green

That’s it, right?
 

Alpha 5

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Green was just cleared by Kimberly though. It might be hard to sell a godfather in this situation.

I could say that I lucked out and blocked an attack on Green though, despite still scum reading him.
 

Alpha 5

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The real problem is that when Monkey claimed tracker, she listed her tracked targets as Pink, Trini, and Rita. I can't say I jailed Pink and Trini those same nights; I might as well put up a neon flashing sign that says "Alpha 5 was Zordon's teammate!"

But if Trini does happen to have a PR, she may realize that she was blocked that night. I mean, it would be easy to say that I jailed rac night 2 otherwise, but I am worried about that off-chance.

On the other hand, I feel that the thread deserves to know that Pink found their target with their first unblocked shot.
 

Skull

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Oh, you’re completely right. Didn’t even think of that.

I think you should change your N1 target then, but keep the block on Trini. Maybe reread your own D2 and see who would make sense for you to have blocked.

Worst case, say you blocked Zordon or me.

Blocking Green makes sense for the opposite reason then, since you can protect him instead.
 

Skull

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I think it’s important to have a blocked player alive in the claim, for obvious reasons. So Trini should be kept there.


On kill target, I think we shouldn’t think much then and go for rac as you say. I’m afraid of hitting protection again, but w/e. We need to go for confirmed players as you said.

I really do want to kill Rita, she at the very least had more than 1-shot, but can’t do much about that now.
 

Sawneeks

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Rita isn't 100% confirmed town, so I am reluctant to target her. I would only do so if you are confident that she is actually a doctor, but I am inclined to think it is someone else.

If we don't trim down the confirmed town list, we are doomed. We can rely on my jail to deal with power roles.

Actually, this is a good time to ask Sawneeks: can I use both my jail and the kill, or likewise can Skull use both the copy and kill in one phase? My PM didn't specify.
Whoops, sorry. Missed this one.

No, you can not. You can only do one of the other. This will change if you are the last Scum alive and you can use both, but for now it's only one.
 

Alpha 5

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It is nice to kill a confirmed townie. Town is focusing away from us for the moment too, which is good.
 

Skull

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We won’t get heat for some time now, probably.

Getting slight callbacks to Monopoly where scum was completely destroyed D2 and still managed to slowly get back into the game. Only to lose at the end with a chain lynch.

That’s why we should get our long term game ready for when it inevitably comes time for us to take the spotlight. Don’t be afraid to be openly scum read me if needed and vote quick for it. If one vote makes the diference between our lynch or a mislynch, be on the bus. Other than that, we have our fake claims already being set up for when they are needed.

Later on we could go for a stupid all-in gambit, but right now just play it cool.
 

Skull

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I say that, but I’m a noobie scum too lol.

Our veterans went ahead of us though, so we gotta do what we gonna do.
 

Skull

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Huh, Billy saying Rita was “baiting a kill” is definitely worth noting. Glad we followed your call and went for rac.

Maybe she’s actually a vanilla?
 

Alpha 5

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It's possible. Her claimed ability was surprisingly weak, considering our strongman kill. It's certainly a bold gambit, but it almost worked on us.
 

Skull

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Hey, I just realized that if Green really is a vigilante, then we will need to go through another deathless night for me to copy it.

We’d need you to block him, to avoid getting his shot out, and me copying him. No one could do the kill that phase.

That sucks.
 

Alpha 5

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Is there really a vigilante? We haven't had any unknown kills yet. Can you explain why you think Green is one?

Now, we could take a gamble and not jail anyone. I could do the kill and let you try to copy.
 

Skull

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I mean, I think there’s a vig because if not, what power am I supposed to copy?

Alignment cop is useless for us, Gossip chat pretty much as well (maybe for a fake claim later, but meh) and BP giver only makes sense if town has a killing role as well.
No signs of a serial killer too, maybe he is a X-shot or can only kill later, but that doesn’t seem likely.

Tracker or a watcher could help too, but I think there’s more than one possible role for me to copy.
This is my main point.

It’s not hard evidence by any means, but the PRs we’ve seen don’t make much sense for us to copy, while a vigilante definitely would.

And it’s hard to see a vig sitting on his shot like this, if there is one.
 

Alpha 5

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That is a good question.

For starters, we could use your ability purely as a role cop check if we wanted: copy someone to see if they are bluffing about their claims. Rita for example. If there is a vigilante, a spare bulletproof wouldn't actually hurt, if you can copy Rita after she has already used up her shots.

I do agree that it would be wierd if there wasn't another killing role out there. My Jail ability is just a reflavored roleblocker otherwise. Who knows? Maybe I've already unintentionally blocked the vigilante from killing townies. That would explain the missing vigilante shots. Maybe someone shot at Trini Night 2?
 

Skull

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Oh, didn’t think about Trini getting shot at N2. Humm...

Well, I believe we can’t combo jail + kill, so that could be the difference between roleblock and jail.
 

Skull

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I think it would be a waste to use it on Rita, but if things keep up without another claim, it might be a good idea to see if she has a BP or otherwise lied about her powers.
 

Skull

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Yeah, don’t think we are in danger today. Need to play it cool with the votes though. Unsure where I’ll be voting...
 

Alpha 5

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Zack is on the right track and is putting in the work, but he keeps coming to the wrong conclusions. I don't know whether we should eliminate him before he sniffs us out or sit back and give him enough rope to hang town with.
 

Skull

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Alpha, Tommy just claimed doctor.

Be careful with your reaction, theoretically you’re town doctor. You should express doubt on it and maybe even vote for it, without a counterclaim maybe.

Be careful with this.
 

Skull

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Maybe you should even counter claim? We could go for the angle that jail + 1 shot bodyguard makes more sense, since doctor + 1 shot bodyguard would be too strong for town.
 

Skull

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Humm, don’t think that would work out...

We would set up a chain lynch, and best case scenario you’d be lynched in D7.
 

Alpha 5

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Alpha, Tommy just claimed doctor.

Be careful with your reaction, theoretically you’re town doctor. You should express doubt on it and maybe even vote for it, without a counterclaim maybe.

Be careful with this.
Crud, not what I was expecting to wake up to. Let me get caught up.
 

Skull

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I don't think we should go with your jail "fake" claim. Like I said, best case scenario we get 2 days with you.
 

Alpha 5

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Yeah, it is best for me to abandon the idea of claiming anything. I'll just pretend to be a good little vanilla townie. A counter claim would just draw unnecessary attention when I am not under too much pressure yet.
 

Skull

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Hmm, damn. Some of the pressure on Tommy spilled onto you.

I’m comfortable not voting for you today, but don’t think I’m in the position to help you. Will try to push the White lynch.
 

Skull

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So, do we just kill Tommy or should I just Jail him for eternity?

We don’t know if he can self heal and if you die I’m stuck with a doctor annoying me. I think we should jail him today and kill someone else, and tomorrow get
him.
 
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