Spectator Thread GoT and TMBG Spectator Thread

[cabot]

that's a bad target choice in Coolest.

For Stuart to live, he's probably going to have to claim.

 

[cabot]

well, you know, he's making it quite obvious now anyway.

 

[cabot]

He also could have bluffed, I think it's pretty clear now he can't target himself.

 

[empressdonna]

:( Poor stu, I feel for him.

he's dead regardless. lynch or no lynch.

 

[Poltergust]

So... is it true that Stuart killed Kalor?

 

[cabot]

Nah, he was redirected to Kalor.

Did scum assume Stuarts reaction to Sparkster's claim made him a likely doctor and try to frame?

actually sorry. Scum would redirect vere to kalor's killer, right?

redirecting stuart would keep kalor alive.

 

[empressdonna]

Nah, he was redirected to Kalor.

Did scum assume Stuarts reaction to Sparkster's claim made him a likely doctor and try to frame?

actually sorry. Scum would redirect vere to kalor, right?

redirecting stuart would keep kalor alive.

The post earlier:

looks like Comrade Sparkster's gambit might pay off for scum - someone caught on

Makes me think Scum figured it out.

 

[dragon mom]

Womp womp

 

[Poltergust]

Nah, he was redirected to Kalor.

Did scum assume Stuarts reaction to Sparkster's claim made him a likely doctor and try to frame?

actually sorry. Scum would redirect vere to kalor's killer, right?

redirecting stuart would keep kalor alive.

Huh, I'm surprised they the foresight to target Vere.

This looks really bad, then. It'll be so easy to mislynch both Verelios and Stuart.

 

[cabot]

it's a little odd to fake claim tracker to get stuart who is a doctor after a single night though.

There's a lot of logic leaps to make that plan work.


If stuart flips, simplest explanation is redirection.

 

[cabot]

stuart is likely dead due to his target choice and way of claiming but he can at least try and solve through what has happened between him and vere.


That would help Town out.

 

[Poltergust]

it's a little odd to fake claim tracker to get stuart who is a doctor after a single night though.

There's a lot of logic leaps to make that plan work.


If stuart flips, simplest explanation is redirection.

What reason did scum have to redirect Vere? Seems like such a random choice to me lol.

 

[cabot]

Oh dear, that coolest post.

What were you thinking, stuart.


Can they lynch coolest twice?

 

[cabot]

What reason did scum have to redirect Vere? Seems like such a random choice to me lol.

Spoiler

rechecked the role PMs. Scum has a bus driver, so they switched Vere and the killer.

Vere tracked stuart, but was switched with the scum killer, so got back Kalor.

I believe that's how it went down

 

[Poltergust]

More than a slim chance, Coolest! D:

 

[cabot]

No, actually that doesn't work.

I hate switchers.

 

[Poltergust]

Spoiler

rechecked the role PMs. Scum has a bus driver, so they switched Vere and the killer.

Vere tracked stuart, but was switched with the scum killer, so got back Kalor.

I believe that's how it went down

I meant more why Vere was chosen as the target.

 

[cabot]

Better ask scum that question.


Seriously, Coolest's big solution is to lynch two pretty useful PR claims.

 

[Poltergust]

*sigh*

Stuart is just a dead man walking here, unfortunately. I hope they can find someone else today with the double-lynch, at least.

 

[empressdonna]

I'm not sure what I would do in his situation.

It's a pretty bad position to be in :( poor stu

 

[cabot]

I mean Stuart is getting upset for the wrong reason, it's actually pretty common to kill people who have scum in their sights.

Trying to downplay that as bad reasoning isnt helpful.

 

[cabot]

I'm not sure what I would do in his situation.

It's a pretty bad position to be in :( poor stu

Remain vigilant and talk out all possibilities that could cause this, try and get everyone's opinion on it. Accept you're probably dead, but try and get out of the game with leaving a good idea for the players to pick up after the flip.

 

[cabot]

Also maybe highlight people who are just willing to lynch Stuart.


Maybe guys that want to lynch both PRs as well I don't know.

 

[empressdonna]

Stu gets pretty heated when backed into a corner town or scum. :(

Hoping he calms down and starts to think rationally about this.

 

[Dr. Worm]

I meant more why Vere was chosen as the target.

Spoiler

Verelios wasn't targeted. Driver switches the recipients of actions - Stuart444 was the intended target for Verelios and Kalor (and Verelios would've seen him visiting CoolestSpot), but scum switched Stuart444 with their goon, so Verelios tracked the goon to Kalor and the goon got the Dorito sent to Stuart444.

 

[The Bear]

Spoiler

Wait a minute, scum has a switcher?

 

[Natiko]

Time to see if town can puzzle out what happened without most of their useful roles claiming. Should be..interesting. I would be surprised if scum got lynched today. What a weird series of events.

 

[The Bear]

This is why you don't make up red checks. Do not do the dusk soldier gambit.

 

[dragon mom]

Faddy the MVP and actually asking the right questions

 

[Dr. Worm]

honestly, Verelios is handling this rather well

Good on him

 

[Poltergust]

So, uh, how do you guys rate town's chances in Game of Mafia? I'm not following it too closely, but it looks like they're in a lot of trouble lol.

 

[dragon mom]

During this day phase, they're absolutely doomed to lynch town. The only one making sense is Faddy. He has really good reads on the scum team but no one is listening to him, unfortunately.

 

[Natiko]

So, uh, how do you guys rate town's chances in Game of Mafia? I'm not following it too closely, but it looks like they're in a lot of trouble lol.

Depends how this religion reward goes and if they can lynch a scum today or the next phase I think.

 

[OceanicAir]

"If it’s a switcher, they could have saved Splinter. Have we ever had a neutral switcher?"

Yes, in SW. Ruined my claim too.

But I feel there is a bit of dodginess going on involving some of the people voting melon, feels like low hanging fruit in some reasonings.

But I'm not too fussed about the bad gambit, I've played way too many games where people have gotten themselves lynched/screwed over town over unnecessary moves. Not the first time, won't be the last.

 

[dragon mom]

I agree. Scum is really taking this in stride and running with it.

There are a few trigger-happy townies doing the same. It's so easy for scum to blend in among them.

Scum!Melon would have no reason to claim a fake red check because she knows she'd get lynched the next day. That either leaves it as a bad town play or a neutral.

 

[dragon mom]

And even a neutral would be lynched, even if it was an executioner type role (but they would have won and left the game by then). So the only option left that makes sense is a town play.

 

[Natiko]

I can’t blame them though. I’d be taking the same stance as FEP and lynching regardless tbh

 

[dragon mom]

I can't blame them either. The play had dire consequences for town.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Kitsun "read the thread" elaine

real megaton

I thought it was supposed to be, like, "Kitsune Laine"

or is this one of those double duty 'e's

 

[dragon mom]

how would kits be able to win the religion reward two days in a row

i hope someone picks up on that and calls her out, even though it's not alignment indicative

 

[dragon mom]

just screams scum trying to contribute to town

 

[cabot]

Kits really should be today's lynch, unfortunately melon made it difficult.

 

[cabot]

Considering what melon did: I was on the scum team when Dusk did this exact thing in Anime mafia and it was devastating for Town, we reaped massive benefits.

I'd probably be really frustrated with her play and let her know that, but I'd probably take Faddy's stance of 'lets not make it even worse'

 

[cabot]

The thing is I wouldn't begrudge any policy lynches either, it's tainted most of the votes.

 

[cabot]

OK, reading up I'd be suspicious of feps, he's pushing this far too hard.


Lynch people who are anti-town? just following that rule you'd end up lynching 95% of town players in our games.

 

[Splinter]

Weird push by Kopite. Feel like he's scum and his team just told him to pull back on that

 

[Poltergust]

Considering what melon did: I was on the scum team when Dusk did this exact thing in Anime mafia and it was devastating for Town, we reaped massive benefits.

I'd probably be really frustrated with her play and let her know that, but I'd probably take Faddy's stance of 'lets not make it even worse'

Yes, I remember that. I also remember you coaching me during that game (since it was my first game), and it ended in you betraying us all.

 

[Splinter]

That's not, whoops, she accidentally killed our cop but her heart was in the right place.

I mean, it literally is

 

[cabot]

Yes, I remember that. I also remember you coaching me during that game (since it was my first game), and it ended in you betraying us all.

you can trust me!


Apollo throwing that 'well I'd vote her but actually pls blarg' partner shade.


Current thinking is

Apollo,
Kits,
Kopite,
CeeCee

 

[Natiko]

OK, reading up I'd be suspicious of feps, he's pushing this far too hard.


Lynch people who are anti-town? just following that rule you'd end up lynching 95% of town players in our games.

Won't learn if we constantly make excuses and forgive bad play.

 

[CrimsonFist]

Lynch fake cop claims and maybe people will eventually stop doing them. If they become accepted then it weakens real red checks too.

 

[Splinter]

It's weird how much Faddy is leaning on my melon read. I said she was telling the truth (from her pov) - I was wrong.

 

[Splinter]

Next seasons meta : play so antitown you couldn't possibly be antitown. Everyone pretends to be shocked when scum wins

Got to love the irony of this comment being directed at Blarg

 

[The Bear]

From meta POV, Melon is pretty obviously town.

But from the POV of punishing bad play, she should be lynched.

 

[Splinter]

Town does not fake claim red checks.

Pretty sure every fake red check has been made by town, or at least every unprompted fake red check.

Lynching melon is fine from a policy lynch perspective, but all the "we can't trust her" and other attempts to paint her as possible scum are ridiculous.

 

[cabot]

Won't learn if we constantly make excuses and forgive bad play.

That's the problem though. It's not forgiving melon, it's damage control.

They're not in a good position.


People highlighting melon lynching the cop feel false. She didn't know that when she did the red check.

Could be scum

 

[Dr. Worm]

tbh I feel like people advocating for policy lynching townies that go completely off the rails is one of those things where it's seen as bad for the game you're playing but better for the meta, since not doing it tells people in future games that it's fine and there's no punishment in it (and leads to scum picking up on this and faking red checks while getting away scot-free)

not that this is my take, but I feel like meta concerns may be a factor

 

[cabot]

to be fair, dusk got lynched for it and then massively scolded after the game finished and here we are...

 

[empressdonna]

Scum must be loving this.

wonder who else will be lynched with stu though.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Scum must be loving this.

They look like they're playing it fairly well.

 

[Natiko]

That's the problem though. It's not forgiving melon, it's damage control.

They're not in a good position.


People highlighting melon lynching the cop feel false. She didn't know that when she did the red check.

Could be scum

Yeah, and then people see that it's a valid tactic - especially if she lives any extended amount of time. Anything that promotes play like this is worth discouraging. We can't sit around and complain about our meta and the town play in this community and then give a light scolding to bad plays and move on every time.

 

[empressdonna]

A lot of discussion about Melon.

is this summary correct?

Melon fakes a red check claim
Red Check is cop
Melon is probably dead?

 

[Natiko]

A lot of discussion about Melon.

is this summary correct?

Melon fakes a red check claim
Red Check is cop
Melon is probably dead?

Pretty much

 

[empressdonna]

ow. big coincidence there. Feel bad for Melon actually :(

 

[cabot]

Yeah, and then people see that it's a valid tactic - especially if she lives any extended amount of time. Anything that promotes play like this is worth discouraging. We can't sit around and complain about our meta and the town play in this community and then give a light scolding to bad plays and move on every time.

I revert back to my previous post about dusk. He was adequately punished for the play and others are still doing it.

 

[Splinter]

I mean melon is feeling pretty well punished already fwiw. It's not like there's any ambiguity over how this community views fake red checks.

 

[Natiko]

I revert back to my previous post about dusk. He was adequately punished for the play and others are still doing it.

I mean melon is feeling pretty well punished already fwiw. It's not like there's any ambiguity over how this community views fake red checks.

I know she is as well, but that's emotions. If you let claims like this go then there's literally no reason for scum to not make plays like this going forward. That's more the approach I would take. It's not about punishing the player - it's about ensuring this doesn't become a valid tactic. If the alignment was flipped and a scum player had done this everyone in here would be screaming about the players that are giving them a pass.

 

[CrimsonFist]

I could honestly see certain hookers trying the fake red check thing if it starts to get a pass.

 

[Poltergust]

I’m really liking Pogchamp right now. Please tell me he’s town lol.

If I were still in the game, I think I’d vote for rac here. Part of me believes that we actually got a double-scum race in the votes Day 1 and the less important scum, Sparks, sacrificed himself in that ridiculous fashion.

 

[empressdonna]

Part of me believes that we actually got a double-scum race in the votes Day 1 and the less important scum, Sparks, sacrificed himself in that ridiculous fashion.

A Strong kill even if delayed is powerful so if that was true, I wonder what Rac's power would be o.o.

 

[Poltergust]

A Strong kill even if delayed is powerful so if that was true, I wonder what Rac's power would be o.o.

It was a factional kill though, so it wouldn't accelerate scum’s killing potential outside of being lucky enough to bypass protection.

 

[empressdonna]

lol LP. A post count analysis.

 

[empressdonna]

The last posts there between Stu and Kawl. Marvel flashbacks

 

[Dr. Worm]

gonna be interesting to see if scum leaves Vere alive

on the one hand, a doctor lynch leaves him a sitting duck, and offing another PR during the night is massive for them

at the same time, they've got a ninja shot, so they can afford to let town have at him tomorrow, though that could easily backfire...

 

[empressdonna]

gonna be interesting to see if scum leaves Vere alive

on the one hand, a doctor lynch leaves him a sitting duck, and offing another PR during the night is massive for them

at the same time, they've got a ninja shot, so they can afford to let town have at him tomorrow, though that could easily backfire...

What's a Ninja shot?

 

[Dr. Worm]

What's a Ninja shot?

undetected kill

I did also tell them that it gave them temporary Godfather, though, so they might decide to save it for the cop

also, here's a spoiler

Spoiler

 

[empressdonna]

undetected kill

I did also tell them that it gave them temporary Godfather, though, so they might decide to save it for the cop

also, here's a spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

No Cops? huh...

 

[Muffin]

Okay, I'm really having trouble reading people in GoT, might be better that I died early, lol.

Can somebody tell me in a spoiler whether kitsune is scum?

 

[CrimsonFist]

undetected kill

I did also tell them that it gave them temporary Godfather, though, so they might decide to save it for the cop

also, here's a spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

lol, in the one game that isn't getting flavour speculation

 

[dragon mom]

Okay, I'm really having trouble reading people in GoT, might be better that I died early, lol.

Can somebody tell me in a spoiler whether kitsune is scum?

Spoiler

She was originally a vanilla townie, but was recruited by scum the night you died.

 

[dragon mom]

Chats though.
Chats are key to this.

But....but her emails chats!!

 

[dragon mom]

Damn Faddy is on fire

 

[Dr. Worm]

folks,,,

this could be a nail-biter

 

[empressdonna]

Haha, those last 3 votes right after EOD.

 

[OceanicAir]

Town is on a bit of a roll here

 

[empressdonna]

Poor stu but his vote at least helped get rid of Extreme considering how close it was there.

Good result for Town, 2 scum in a row dead.

 

[dragon mom]

Meanwhile, in GoT...

 

[Dr. Worm]

Meanwhile, in GoT...

flavor danger

 

[Dr. Worm]

...Fuck me

 

[empressdonna]

LOL'd literally at that.

 

[dragon mom]

That Faddy read of kits...w h e w

 

[The Bear]

I want both of the scum teams in spoilers pls.

 

[cabot]

faddys case on kits is pretty strong, reminds me of schuh mafia where we caught Time in a vigilante claim that made so little sense as Town.


Then no one went with the case, he survived towards the very end and we lost.


Bastard.

 

[Splinter]

Is Faddy the only townie posting in GoT? My god this is painful to read

Melon really did me a favour

 

[cabot]

lol I'm reading kits logic and its so bad, people are so clouded by melon and she's skating by so easily.

 

[cabot]

I avoided using my track on my scum reads because I wanted more reads, not actually finding out if my reads were useful!

 

[Poltergust]

Man, things got really hectic towards the end of the day, but it ended in an overall win for town. Nice job, guys! I hope Vere makes it to tomorrow.

I can't believe ET got scum twice in a row. When will it be my turn? :<

 

[empressdonna]

I hope Vere makes it to tomorrow.

I'd like to think scum will keep him alive to see if town lynch him since stu was telling the truth.

Right now, I can't even begin to guess who scum might go after but if trigger is town? He is probably staying alive because town will come down heavily on him.

 

[dragon mom]

I want both of the scum teams in spoilers pls.

Spoiler

Blarg, Meatwad, Zookfoodle, Kits, Monkey

 

[OceanicAir]

I think Faddy is just too aggressive and is being portrayed as angry instead of rational

Spoiler

Blarg, Meatwad, Zookfoodle, Kits, Monkey

Spoiler

Interesting, so the key to blarg's alignment is whether he's being useful early lol