Scum Thread Dharkon's Minions

Dr. Worm

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Also just noticed, we are down to 20 players assuming I can count right and we didn’t get my 13/7 vig shot, oh well.
my guess is we're probably looking at something like

3 FoD
1 FoL
1/3 JM
1 Thanos

and then 13/15 town
 

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FoD-known item inventory by event (refer to Vinny's post for towntruth, Sorian here for claims):

1: Apopheniac won Chaos Emerald, last known sent to lokiduck
2: Muffin won Dutch's Revolver, sent to ???
3: Fran won X-Blade, held by Sorian
4: Fantomas/EzekelRAGE won Genotype Microchip, last known sent to Brazil
5: NeonBorealis/Stantastic won Gyroid
6: Sorian won Morningstar, held by Fran
7: Stuart444 won Rebellion, sent to ???
8: TearablePuns won Frostmourne, held by Sorian
 
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Franconp

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Is it safe to claim jailer if LP Is a roleblocked?

Don't they kinda overlap?

Maybe I should go with the false Nexus claim that Geno gave me. That will help me as an excuse for going after Aeleus.

Maybe my ítem gives me an extra shot and allows me to select the target instead of being random?
 

Dr. Worm

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If LP is telling the truth then that puts a bit of a hole in the roleblocker theory, since it's presumably the scum roleblocker sitting me
 

Sorian

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L_P probably is the scum roleblocker.

Jailer doesn't overlap with a roleblocker because its usually a protection role first and foremost. I would stay on the other side of the world from a nexus claim. If you were a nexus, you would have 1000000000% counter claimed Maol yesterday because nexus is a mostly useless role so town loses nothing by that claim being out there. Plus I still think the new scum team that just flipped has a nexus and that's what happened with Brazil. I think nexus is a cursed claim now, don't touch it.
 

Franconp

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There shouldn't be any Nexus. It's my fake claim. Geno wouldn't give us a fake claim that could be counterclaimed because what's the point about a fake claim at all then.
 

Sorian

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There shouldn't be any Nexus. It's my fake claim. Geno wouldn't give us a fake claim that could be counterclaimed because what's the point about a fake claim at all then.

I remember this logic falling through somewhere in HvV 1. Regardless, I’m pretty sure town Fran would have counter claimed Maol yesterday anyway.
 

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If we still had two kills, killing Muffin and someone else tonight would be a fucking wild ride. Oh well lol
 

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So my item, if I have one and they've all been distributed, is probably either Rebellion (based off the Capcom connection, which is unlikely) or the one NeonStan got
 

Sorian

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Yeah, definitely isn't frostmourne, unless Stan's item is very street fighter oriented, the capcom connection is probably where it's at.
 

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Careful Fran, if you pester that vote too much, you’ll sound like Swamped when you voted for her.
 

Franconp

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Careful Fran, if you pester that vote too much, you’ll sound like Swamped when you voted for her.

No, I always do that. There is nothing to build a case against me. I was on both of the scum trains really early.

I don't think anyone can justify my lynch except by some crazy theory that wouldn't hold.
 

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this is a weird take, but is it possible Ketkat was Thanos with an obscured flip for whatever reason? we've found one Infinity Stone amongst five town flips in a game with 28 people. none of us have stones, and none of the flipped scum had stones, so if there's 9 scum (3/3/2/1 across three teams and Thanos) there's only 19 people who could've started the game with stones, so a third of them would have stones. if there's 6 scum remaining of the living players, there's 5 stones across 13 players - it's weird that we haven't flipped more
 

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VOTE: Lone_Prodigy


Brunching Fandorin would probably lead me to want to brunch L_P tomorrow regardless of what Fando flips, so I'd rather flip L_P now and then go for Fandorin if L_P flips town
is this logic too shitty to post
 

Sorian

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this is a weird take, but is it possible Ketkat was Thanos with an obscured flip for whatever reason? we've found one Infinity Stone amongst five town flips in a game with 28 people. none of us have stones, and none of the flipped scum had stones, so if there's 9 scum (3/3/2/1 across three teams and Thanos) there's only 19 people who could've started the game with stones, so a third of them would have stones. if there's 6 scum remaining of the living players, there's 5 stones across 13 players - it's weird that we haven't flipped more

The idea that Thanos is just an NPC actually sounds like it fits better than it being a player, I have no clue why her role would have been obscured though, something is up and I can’t really figure out what it is. I think AB’s flip might do something to but I don’t care enough to pursue it.

is this logic too shitty to post

Eh, I probably wouldn’t ping off of it myself but I could see someone being annoying that you are just lynching for info. It’s a good closer to day end post though as long as L_P flips scum which I think he will.

J-Jedah?

or some other Darkstalker or Street Fighter

I feel like anyone Capcom is going to go for the sword at this point. He might be Jedah himself so their faction isn’t really under a “god” like ours are but who knows.
 

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If we still had two kills, killing Muffin and someone else tonight would be a fucking wild ride. Oh well lol
I was thinking about this and realized it wouldn't work because unless the someone else had the Frostmourne then whoever had it would just claim
 

Dr. Worm

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I find out after command locks who is going to die. Ketkat and Zipped and chose to save neither.

Using my ability is making me take their place and die instead. It's why I kept saying "There is only one way I could die and it's not because of scum" which is technically true as it'd an active ability I would have used to save someone and die in their place.
I feel like this ability wouldn't be implemented here? people who are fucked by timezones or work schedules could never use it
 

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I feel like this ability wouldn't be implemented here? people who are fucked by timezones or work schedules could never use it

We've used it in games before and I'm pretty sure someone did get fucked by timezones before. It is what it is.
 

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In more pertinent news, we have to make sure L_P is lynched. Fran is a passing fancy right now but him flipping would blow another hole in the game that we shouldn’t deal with. If Fran can survive today, I think his voters lose steam tomorrow.
 

Franconp

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Another thing that I noticed about that:

In the OP Geno posted this:

Captain America: The 5th one will stay here to guard the HQ. I myself will go after Jedah.

Jedah are Los Iluminados faction. So that could help that case.

But during the Maol flip Geno posted:

Saddler: Consider it...a gift. Now Captain, kill your whole team.
Captain: As you wish master. (Captain throws his shield at the team, the team scatters, they all attack Captain America, he dodges everything and attacks back, someone sneaks behind Saddler and cuts his throat).
Saddler: No...wh-what? (Captain returns to normal)

So Geno confirmed that Captain America was brainwashed by Los Iluminados but then says that he returns to normal.

I don't know if that weakens that arguments.
 

Dr. Worm

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Yo someone likes playing fucking games lol
are you gonna hang onto it?
In more pertinent news, we have to make sure L_P is lynched. Fran is a passing fancy right now but him flipping would blow another hole in the game that we shouldn’t deal with. If Fran can survive today, I think his voters lose steam tomorrow.
you don't have to convince me, man
Another thing that I noticed about that:

In the OP Geno posted this:



Jedah are Los Iluminados faction. So that could help that case.

But during the Maol flip Geno posted:



So Geno confirmed that Captain America was brainwashed by Los Iluminados but then says that he returns to normal.

I don't know if that weakens that arguments.
lokiduck and Muffin are both almost certainly town but this is just flavor
 

Sorian

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Geno plays loose with flavor but even in HvV 1 where I thought he revealed too much in flavor, he still never actually gave away alignments, flavor is still just flavor.

And yeah, I’m keeping the sword for now. Town Sorian would simply hold this and then if Stu actually comes up as a real lynch candidate, I would send it to someone to prove he still doesn’t have it.
 

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This vote count is rough, Fran still needs to vote for L_P so that ties it. The off wagon on Apop will collapse again now that T_P moved away, Cat will go for L_P, I still have no clue what Faddy is doing, Brazil is also a ?. This is going to be close.
 

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Oh shoot, you're right. I thought he moved, so you and him negate each other. Brazil doesn't seem thrilled about voting you though so that's maybe something. He's went for no reason votes before though.
 

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You I claim that maybe scum tried to kill me N2 and failed?

You're getting pretty close to claim time. If you go this route, I think you have to claim 2-shot jailer and your item let you get a third shot that you could use on yourself.

First night you didn't target anyone because you figured no one would go for Loki and you wanted to save shots.

Night 2 you targeted yourself since the third shot could be used on self and you were worried about the item

What happened Night 3 and 4? Also were you event roleblocked at any point?
 

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Also remember to claim that you are the jailer that completely isolates the person or it makes no sense, most would just assume roleblock and protect.
 

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You probably shouldnt have called them illuminados, thats going to ping Fando and loki and to everyone else, if they even notice, all you did was confuse the flavor name with the name of the faction.
 

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wait Brazil used the chip?

what robot has one soul, let alone two?

He doesn't say he has two souls, he says he is two characters and thus there would be two souls. Idk, is there a pair of robots that are known for always being together? That's likely the best guess.
 

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Wee won't stay on me and will vote L_P but if Stu is lurking he is going to vote Fran so those two votes cancel each other too.
 

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Did you previously say the L_P lynch was bad? If so you could probably go to VA for some good points Fran, it'll make you look like you are solving instead of just self-protecting.
 

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Vinny flipping town probably sets up his early voters to go tomorrow, no?

I could see Vincent being teamed with Maol so /shrug. At this point I still think the illuminati is ANOTHER faction but who fucking knows.
 

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Man, these wagons are wild. I think VA might collapse again and there's a world where that accidentally topples onto Fran, I think we're fine though.
 

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Eh, actually I think that AB votes saves Fran for sure no matter what we do.
 

Franconp

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I'm really hard to lunch. I have been lunched 3 times in like 15 games.

2 of those times I was really scum and the other one was Overwatch.
 

Sorian

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Roleblock Stu, Kill Fando, with Fando's flip we can hopefully blow open the game and distract away from ourselves for awhile. Does anyone else see a better path?

If we don't RB Stu then he can just save Fando and we have nothing to fall back on tomorrow.
 

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Fran has options, Wee is likely holding Rebellion which should be Apop's item, he could go for that? He could jail someone as a roleblock as well. Muffin might have a cop check since he copied Loki so that's a possibility.
 

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Vere's safe claim was a hider. I don't believe that town has one.

True, even with my nexus theory I don't think Geno was mean enough to give town a real role to a scum's fake claim.
 

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I'm mildly shocked L_P. You did defend yourself well at the end though, if I didn't have to defend Fran, I probably would have moved off of you but I was stuck there.
 

Franconp

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I think that I should use one of my jail shots. So I have something to show if I have to claim.

I wouldn't target Muffin. I can't claim that I jailed him without looking suspicious. I should jail someone who is townie or that is really scummy.
 

Sorian

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I think that I should use one of my jail shots. So I have something to show if I have to claim.

I wouldn't target Muffin. I can't claim that I jailed him without looking suspicious. I should jail someone who is townie or that is really scummy.

If the goal is to do what you should do then you'd either jail Loki who is presumably just an innocent child with no more night actions or you'd jail whoever your scum read is for the roleblocks. You'd only be putting on the show for Wee though, we have a dead tracker and assuming Wee is telling the truth then that's a watcher, there's no way there would be more movement roles. Do you really think Wee would be watching Muffin (she also can't watch herself....maybe.....not sure here actually)? And then you just claim you tried roleblocking since L_P is dead and you can say whoever you want, I doubt Wee is watching someone scummy.
 

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This should be more fruitful than with L_P, I might give her the sword as good will since it's not ours but we'll see. I'll keep you updated, I assume this chat will be a little more than the one with L_P
 

Franconp

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I'm not too sure about the Jailer claim not. It's too close to Roleblock. And if VA is a doctor I don't like it.

Maybe I can claim x-shot untargeteable. Which I am.
 

Franconp

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Are we sure that we can roleblock Stu's power?

I don't mind killing Fando but I wouldn't waste a roleblock shot on Stu. Also I don't mind if Stu is killed. He is going after the 3 of us and he dying instead of someone else could help.

I could jail Muffin and Apho could roleblock someone else.

Or maybe Apho makes the kill and Sorian uses his power to change someone else's vote?
 

Sorian

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I'm not too sure about the Jailer claim not. It's too close to Roleblock. And if VA is a doctor I don't like it.

Maybe I can claim x-shot untargeteable. Which I am.

X-shot commuter could work, yeah. And your item just gave you an extra shot.

Are we sure that we can roleblock Stu's power?

I don't mind killing Fando but I wouldn't waste a roleblock shot on Stu. Also I don't mind if Stu is killed. He is going after the 3 of us and he dying instead of someone else could help.

I could jail Muffin and Apho could roleblock someone else.

Or maybe Apho makes the kill and Sorian uses his power to change someone else's vote?

Stu's action is still just a night action, we've had these before in the community and it worked the same way, they could still be roleblocked like normal. My main worry is that if Stu is the death then tomorrow is just another repeat of today and that's not great since you and Apop had some strong wagons for a bit up until the last hour.

I also don't want to use my vote power tonight. If someone is paying attention then the vote power will have been used on every night that I wasn't roleblocked. I'd rather wait until tomorrow before doing it again.
 

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Also, all I have from Wee so far. She can't watch tonight (she didn't elaborate and this feels like a trap) and she's not a pokemon. She does really want to try my sword so I'm just going to send it to her.
 

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Or we could kill Loki.

Fando will have some heat after LP flipping roleblocker and if Loki flips illuminati we can jump on him.

I would much rather go for Fando and then mob loki. I'm invisible to Wee but someone could still protect Loki, no one will protect Fando.
 

Franconp

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X-shot commuter could work, yeah. And your item just gave you an extra shot.

I was thinking extra shot and it allows me to make someone else untargeteable.

I also don't want to use my vote power tonight. If someone is paying attention then the vote power will have been used on every night that I wasn't roleblocked. I'd rather wait until tomorrow before doing it again.

Ok. So you are making the kill because of ninja then.
 

Franconp

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Let's see what roles are left:

7. Stuart444 - BST - He/Him [Stu] - JOAT
10. Muffin - CEST - He/Him - Role copier
16. Absolutbro - EST - He/Him - Item stealer/name cop
19. Weemadarthur - CST - They/Them, She/Her [Wee] - Watcher
20. lokiduck - PDT - She/Her [Ms. Bird, Loki] - Innocent child/Joat
24. Vincent Alexander - CST-6 - He/Him - Doctor?
26. Aeleus - BST - They/Them - Gladiator
28. Faddy - UTC+1 - He/Him - Double voter
23. TheChuggernaut - CST - He/Him - Karma voter

1. NEW - Cat - CST - She/Her - Unknown
2. TearablePuns - EST - He/Him - Unknown
3. EzekelRAGE - CST - He/Him - Unknown
12. Brazil - GMT-3 - He/Him - Unknown
13. Fandorin - GMT-3 - He/Him - Unknown
22. Stantastic - GMT+12 - He/Him - Unknown

That's a lot of unknowns. Did I missed something?
 

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Let's see what roles are left:

7. Stuart444 - BST - He/Him [Stu] - JOAT
10. Muffin - CEST - He/Him - Role copier
16. Absolutbro - EST - He/Him - Item stealer/name cop
19. Weemadarthur - CST - They/Them, She/Her [Wee] - Watcher
20. lokiduck - PDT - She/Her [Ms. Bird, Loki] - Innocent child/Joat
24. Vincent Alexander - CST-6 - He/Him - Doctor?
26. Aeleus - BST - They/Them - Gladiator
28. Faddy - UTC+1 - He/Him - Double voter
23. TheChuggernaut - CST - He/Him - Karma voter

1. NEW - Cat - CST - She/Her - Unknown
2. TearablePuns - EST - He/Him - Unknown
3. EzekelRAGE - CST - He/Him - Unknown
12. Brazil - GMT-3 - He/Him - Unknown
13. Fandorin - GMT-3 - He/Him - Unknown
22. Stantastic - GMT+12 - He/Him - Unknown

That's a lot of unknowns. Did I missed something?

This looks correct, yes.
 

Franconp

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We know that LP was the roleblocker (Michael Scott a hero? really?) and we know that he didn't targeted Apho yesterday.

So why did he got his shot refunded? Maybe Muffin copied more than Loki's mod confirmed and he Is illuminati too now?

Or maybe he received the roleblock protection by Loki?
 

Sorian

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We know that LP was the roleblocker (Michael Scott a hero? really?) and we know that he didn't targeted Apho yesterday.

So why did he got his shot refunded? Maybe Muffin copied more than Loki's mod confirmed and he Is illuminati too now?

Or maybe he received the roleblock protection by Loki?

The roleblock should have happened BEFORE Muffin made the copy of loki so it should have had nothing to do with loki.
 

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So I should jail Muffin?

His checks could be a problem.

Yeah, either this or steal from Wee since we might not know where Rebellion goes from here on. It's hard to say if Muffin copied loki exactly (meaning he got 0 shots since loki had 0 shots) or if Muffin got replenished and I feel like it's not worth the risk letting him run around.

inb4 he tries checking me and he accuses me of being ascetic or something
 

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Ugh, I just realized Muffin might be illuminati now because of the copy and that makes Stu technically right even though he is clearly arguing that Muffin has been scum from the start. Gross.
 
Dr Worm blocks Stu
Fran hellfires Muffin
Sorian ninja kills Fandorin and gives frostmourne to Wee

Commands received
 

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I swear if I got roleblocked, this is going to be so obnoxious.
 

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@Geno Can I submit a day command now and you just process it after day starts?

GIVE Frostmourne: Weemadarthur
 
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