When I’m done with dinner, I’m going to call out Faddy, he knows better
Scum Thread Dharkon's Minions
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When I’m done with dinner, I’m going to call out Faddy, he knows better
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
my guess is we're probably looking at something like
3 FoD
1 FoL
1/3 JM
1 Thanos
and then 13/15 town
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
FoD-known item inventory by event (refer to Vinny's post for towntruth, Sorian here for claims):
1: Apopheniac won Chaos Emerald, last known sent to lokiduck
2: Muffin won Dutch's Revolver, sent to ???
3: Fran won X-Blade, held by Sorian
4: Fantomas/EzekelRAGE won Genotype Microchip, last known sent to Brazil
5: NeonBorealis/Stantastic won Gyroid
6: Sorian won Morningstar, held by Fran
7: Stuart444 won Rebellion, sent to ???
8: TearablePuns won Frostmourne, held by Sorian
1: Apopheniac won Chaos Emerald, last known sent to lokiduck
2: Muffin won Dutch's Revolver, sent to ???
3: Fran won X-Blade, held by Sorian
4: Fantomas/EzekelRAGE won Genotype Microchip, last known sent to Brazil
5: NeonBorealis/Stantastic won Gyroid
6: Sorian won Morningstar, held by Fran
7: Stuart444 won Rebellion, sent to ???
8: TearablePuns won Frostmourne, held by Sorian
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Franconp
Frank
Is it safe to claim jailer if LP Is a roleblocked?
Don't they kinda overlap?
Maybe I should go with the false Nexus claim that Geno gave me. That will help me as an excuse for going after Aeleus.
Maybe my ítem gives me an extra shot and allows me to select the target instead of being random?
Don't they kinda overlap?
Maybe I should go with the false Nexus claim that Geno gave me. That will help me as an excuse for going after Aeleus.
Maybe my ítem gives me an extra shot and allows me to select the target instead of being random?
L_P probably is the scum roleblocker.
Jailer doesn't overlap with a roleblocker because its usually a protection role first and foremost. I would stay on the other side of the world from a nexus claim. If you were a nexus, you would have 1000000000% counter claimed Maol yesterday because nexus is a mostly useless role so town loses nothing by that claim being out there. Plus I still think the new scum team that just flipped has a nexus and that's what happened with Brazil. I think nexus is a cursed claim now, don't touch it.
Jailer doesn't overlap with a roleblocker because its usually a protection role first and foremost. I would stay on the other side of the world from a nexus claim. If you were a nexus, you would have 1000000000% counter claimed Maol yesterday because nexus is a mostly useless role so town loses nothing by that claim being out there. Plus I still think the new scum team that just flipped has a nexus and that's what happened with Brazil. I think nexus is a cursed claim now, don't touch it.
I remember this logic falling through somewhere in HvV 1. Regardless, I’m pretty sure town Fran would have counter claimed Maol yesterday anyway.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
I feel like it'd be a better claim if L_P flips scum, imo
It would definitely be better, I just don't think they have much overlap even if L_P is telling the truth though.
Franconp
Frank
No, I always do that. There is nothing to build a case against me. I was on both of the scum trains really early.
I don't think anyone can justify my lynch except by some crazy theory that wouldn't hold.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
this is a weird take, but is it possible Ketkat was Thanos with an obscured flip for whatever reason? we've found one Infinity Stone amongst five town flips in a game with 28 people. none of us have stones, and none of the flipped scum had stones, so if there's 9 scum (3/3/2/1 across three teams and Thanos) there's only 19 people who could've started the game with stones, so a third of them would have stones. if there's 6 scum remaining of the living players, there's 5 stones across 13 players - it's weird that we haven't flipped more
The idea that Thanos is just an NPC actually sounds like it fits better than it being a player, I have no clue why her role would have been obscured though, something is up and I can’t really figure out what it is. I think AB’s flip might do something to but I don’t care enough to pursue it.
Eh, I probably wouldn’t ping off of it myself but I could see someone being annoying that you are just lynching for info. It’s a good closer to day end post though as long as L_P flips scum which I think he will.
I feel like anyone Capcom is going to go for the sword at this point. He might be Jedah himself so their faction isn’t really under a “god” like ours are but who knows.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
I was thinking about this and realized it wouldn't work because unless the someone else had the Frostmourne then whoever had it would just claim
We've used it in games before and I'm pretty sure someone did get fucked by timezones before. It is what it is.
In more pertinent news, we have to make sure L_P is lynched. Fran is a passing fancy right now but him flipping would blow another hole in the game that we shouldn’t deal with. If Fran can survive today, I think his voters lose steam tomorrow.
Yes it would be a bad time lol don’t push your luck Fran.
Franconp
Frank
Another thing that I noticed about that:
In the OP Geno posted this:
Jedah are Los Iluminados faction. So that could help that case.
But during the Maol flip Geno posted:
So Geno confirmed that Captain America was brainwashed by Los Iluminados but then says that he returns to normal.
I don't know if that weakens that arguments.
In the OP Geno posted this:
Jedah are Los Iluminados faction. So that could help that case.
But during the Maol flip Geno posted:
So Geno confirmed that Captain America was brainwashed by Los Iluminados but then says that he returns to normal.
I don't know if that weakens that arguments.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
are you gonna hang onto it?
you don't have to convince me, man
lokiduck and Muffin are both almost certainly town but this is just flavor
Geno plays loose with flavor but even in HvV 1 where I thought he revealed too much in flavor, he still never actually gave away alignments, flavor is still just flavor.
And yeah, I’m keeping the sword for now. Town Sorian would simply hold this and then if Stu actually comes up as a real lynch candidate, I would send it to someone to prove he still doesn’t have it.
And yeah, I’m keeping the sword for now. Town Sorian would simply hold this and then if Stu actually comes up as a real lynch candidate, I would send it to someone to prove he still doesn’t have it.
This vote count is rough, Fran still needs to vote for L_P so that ties it. The off wagon on Apop will collapse again now that T_P moved away, Cat will go for L_P, I still have no clue what Faddy is doing, Brazil is also a ?. This is going to be close.
You're getting pretty close to claim time. If you go this route, I think you have to claim 2-shot jailer and your item let you get a third shot that you could use on yourself.
First night you didn't target anyone because you figured no one would go for Loki and you wanted to save shots.
Night 2 you targeted yourself since the third shot could be used on self and you were worried about the item
What happened Night 3 and 4? Also were you event roleblocked at any point?
I don't think so, I believe Brazil when he said the chip worked for him and I don't think it would work with this character?
Dr. Worm
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He doesn't say he has two souls, he says he is two characters and thus there would be two souls. Idk, is there a pair of robots that are known for always being together? That's likely the best guess.
Franconp
Frank
Already done.
I could see Vincent being teamed with Maol so /shrug. At this point I still think the illuminati is ANOTHER faction but who fucking knows.
Roleblock Stu, Kill Fando, with Fando's flip we can hopefully blow open the game and distract away from ourselves for awhile. Does anyone else see a better path?
If we don't RB Stu then he can just save Fando and we have nothing to fall back on tomorrow.
If we don't RB Stu then he can just save Fando and we have nothing to fall back on tomorrow.
I think he's a hider but hard to say.
True, even with my nexus theory I don't think Geno was mean enough to give town a real role to a scum's fake claim.
If the goal is to do what you should do then you'd either jail Loki who is presumably just an innocent child with no more night actions or you'd jail whoever your scum read is for the roleblocks. You'd only be putting on the show for Wee though, we have a dead tracker and assuming Wee is telling the truth then that's a watcher, there's no way there would be more movement roles. Do you really think Wee would be watching Muffin (she also can't watch herself....maybe.....not sure here actually)? And then you just claim you tried roleblocking since L_P is dead and you can say whoever you want, I doubt Wee is watching someone scummy.
Franconp
Frank
Are we sure that we can roleblock Stu's power?
I don't mind killing Fando but I wouldn't waste a roleblock shot on Stu. Also I don't mind if Stu is killed. He is going after the 3 of us and he dying instead of someone else could help.
I could jail Muffin and Apho could roleblock someone else.
Or maybe Apho makes the kill and Sorian uses his power to change someone else's vote?
I don't mind killing Fando but I wouldn't waste a roleblock shot on Stu. Also I don't mind if Stu is killed. He is going after the 3 of us and he dying instead of someone else could help.
I could jail Muffin and Apho could roleblock someone else.
Or maybe Apho makes the kill and Sorian uses his power to change someone else's vote?
X-shot commuter could work, yeah. And your item just gave you an extra shot.
Stu's action is still just a night action, we've had these before in the community and it worked the same way, they could still be roleblocked like normal. My main worry is that if Stu is the death then tomorrow is just another repeat of today and that's not great since you and Apop had some strong wagons for a bit up until the last hour.
I also don't want to use my vote power tonight. If someone is paying attention then the vote power will have been used on every night that I wasn't roleblocked. I'd rather wait until tomorrow before doing it again.
I would much rather go for Fando and then mob loki. I'm invisible to Wee but someone could still protect Loki, no one will protect Fando.
Franconp
Frank
I was thinking extra shot and it allows me to make someone else untargeteable.
Ok. So you are making the kill because of ninja then.
Correct
Also yeah, this is good too.
Franconp
Frank
Let's see what roles are left:
7. Stuart444 - BST - He/Him [Stu] - JOAT
10. Muffin - CEST - He/Him - Role copier
16. Absolutbro - EST - He/Him - Item stealer/name cop
19. Weemadarthur - CST - They/Them, She/Her [Wee] - Watcher
20. lokiduck - PDT - She/Her [Ms. Bird, Loki] - Innocent child/Joat
24. Vincent Alexander - CST-6 - He/Him - Doctor?
26. Aeleus - BST - They/Them - Gladiator
28. Faddy - UTC+1 - He/Him - Double voter
23. TheChuggernaut - CST - He/Him - Karma voter
1. NEW - Cat - CST - She/Her - Unknown
2. TearablePuns - EST - He/Him - Unknown
3. EzekelRAGE - CST - He/Him - Unknown
12. Brazil - GMT-3 - He/Him - Unknown
13. Fandorin - GMT-3 - He/Him - Unknown
22. Stantastic - GMT+12 - He/Him - Unknown
That's a lot of unknowns. Did I missed something?
7. Stuart444 - BST - He/Him [Stu] - JOAT
10. Muffin - CEST - He/Him - Role copier
16. Absolutbro - EST - He/Him - Item stealer/name cop
19. Weemadarthur - CST - They/Them, She/Her [Wee] - Watcher
20. lokiduck - PDT - She/Her [Ms. Bird, Loki] - Innocent child/Joat
24. Vincent Alexander - CST-6 - He/Him - Doctor?
26. Aeleus - BST - They/Them - Gladiator
28. Faddy - UTC+1 - He/Him - Double voter
23. TheChuggernaut - CST - He/Him - Karma voter
1. NEW - Cat - CST - She/Her - Unknown
2. TearablePuns - EST - He/Him - Unknown
3. EzekelRAGE - CST - He/Him - Unknown
12. Brazil - GMT-3 - He/Him - Unknown
13. Fandorin - GMT-3 - He/Him - Unknown
22. Stantastic - GMT+12 - He/Him - Unknown
That's a lot of unknowns. Did I missed something?
This looks correct, yes.
Franconp
Frank
We know that LP was the roleblocker (Michael Scott a hero? really?) and we know that he didn't targeted Apho yesterday.
So why did he got his shot refunded? Maybe Muffin copied more than Loki's mod confirmed and he Is illuminati too now?
Or maybe he received the roleblock protection by Loki?
So why did he got his shot refunded? Maybe Muffin copied more than Loki's mod confirmed and he Is illuminati too now?
Or maybe he received the roleblock protection by Loki?
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
I assume the implementation of that would be that the roleblock goes through but is ignored by the target
The roleblock should have happened BEFORE Muffin made the copy of loki so it should have had nothing to do with loki.
Yeah, either this or steal from Wee since we might not know where Rebellion goes from here on. It's hard to say if Muffin copied loki exactly (meaning he got 0 shots since loki had 0 shots) or if Muffin got replenished and I feel like it's not worth the risk letting him run around.
inb4 he tries checking me and he accuses me of being ascetic or something
Franconp
Frank
It's silent.
