Costume Party |OT| The Mafia Mash

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Don't deny I was pretty wishy-washy on Drac, but decided to go with my gut that because of how quiet it was (before things then blew up) was a sign that Scum were happy to have Drac lunched(suggesting they were town). Before EoD though I could've jumped on your wagon and justify saving Drac and well I didn't

Well you were on the other wagon. Did you see the Zombie wagon potentially overtaking Dracula or not during EoD as the votes came in?

 

[Bob Ross]

What will it take to convince you to lynch CK?

 

[Cinderella]

Well you were on the other wagon. Did you see the Zombie wagon potentially overtaking Dracula or not during EoD as the votes came in?

I did but in all honesty it was a very small window and my vote may have ended up being cast after Day End

 

[Bob Ross]

This game is fucking dead, BO still has 0 posts, we have a leader that's scum and most people don't give a shit.

 

[Witch]

Ugh you beat me to it. This is the best vote for today.

Bob is definitely town, and CKs voting from yesterday is suspect. Also a couple of small things she said near day end made me uncomfortable. Will engage more later.

VOTE: Cereal Killer

I think with this vote, all the Spider-Man D1 behavior discussed on the previous page, and how Spider-Man has acted dug in on CK today, I am comfortable putting a vote down on them.

VOTE: Spider-Man

Cinderella dismisses the slip argument pretty harshly. Seems to come around on it after my post.



As seen here.



Wants to vote Drac here.



Now is not down for that.



Again keeps backing away.



Now wants to keep him around. Looks bad. Could be scum planing for a bus ride. Backed off once it seemed like the other wagons weren't going to take off.

I think Cinderella is too obvious here. There's not even an attempt to hide his intent. It feels like a really risky scum move, if it is one, that I would look back on later on in the game depending on some flips. But for right now, I don't know that I can see Dracula and Cinderella playing so fast and loose. That goes for some other players, as well, I think.

What will it take to convince you to lynch CK?

I'll tell you why I don't want to lynch CK today. I'm not sure I'd say she convinced me of her innocence, but I'm convinced the D1 vote at the end of day (while still the most suspect vote because of how late it came in) could have just been an accident. CK put a lot of effort in today in particular to throw down some reads and produce some good directions for where to go after her death. While it could be an overdone scum play, it's more likely

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that she just wants to give us as much information as possible for when she's no longer here.

It's worth looking back on later, but I think there are more suspicious characters afoot.

 

[Witch]

Is there a way to manually pull up the reply page? The quick reply box at the bottom keeps doing weird stuff for me.

This game is fucking dead, BO still has 0 posts, we have a leader that's scum and most people don't give a shit.

Relax dude, I think a good chunk of folks were just sleeping.

 

[Witch]

I'll tell you why I don't want to lynch CK today. I'm not sure I'd say she convinced me of her innocence, but I'm convinced the D1 vote at the end of day (while still the most suspect vote because of how late it came in) could have just been an accident. CK put a lot of effort in today in particular to throw down some reads and produce some good directions for where to go after her death. While it could be an overdone scum play, it's more likely still that she just wants to give us as much information as possible for when she's no longer here.

It's worth looking back on later, but I think there are more suspicious characters afoot.

I also wanted to add, while I appreciate CK's reads and information gathering, I don't agree with all of it. But it's still something to work off of and it will be very useful.

 

[Witch]

I have time to read through some post histories and put down a reads list right now, so here we go:

[She/Her] Baby - I feel like there's a genuine effort on Baby's part to contribute to the conversation, which is a slight town lean for me. I'm not sure there's much about her reads or questions that others haven't been putting out there already, but it's an honest effort.

[He/Him] Banana - I am leaning town on Banana now after pushing him yesterday. Putting together Banana's behavior D1 with D2, there is a really strong effort to scumhunt and try to push town-beneficial narratives. After Dracula vote, I think it buys him a lot of credit; even if I still feel one of Dracula's voters was scum, I don't think it was Banana. His PIK on Post #1019 is also a really well-reasoned list.

[-] Barack Obama - Nothing. Probably will be removed from game after today, so I'm not going to dig any deeper.

[He/Him] Barney - Seemed to be hinting at something, but the conclusion of lunch bomb seems totally off. I can't quite place what this could be. Otherwise, I don't have an alignment read or more information on what that role could be.

[He/Him] Bob Ross - Coming out of D1, Bob Ross is a strong town read for me. He came off a little abrasive at first (still is honestly), but being in the middle of that Dracula vote list, he is very likely just a frustrated town.

[She/Her] Cereal Killer|CK - Despite clashing with her a bit today and specifically not agreeing with how she is interpreting my actions, I can see she's putting genuine effort and trying to adapt to the circumstances. I am definitely leaning town for her, and I think between the information Banana and her put together, they've made a solid case for Spider-Man being scum.

[He/Him] Cinderella - I am seeing some effort from Cinderella, but not enough to draw any conclusions. Him interactions with Drac yesterday and defending him outright seems like it makes him too obvious a scum candidate, but at the same time, I can't shake the feeling that there might be something worth digging deeper into here. Slight scum lean in my book.

[She/Her] Daenerys Targaryen - UTC

[He/Him] Jack Sparrow - UTC
[He/Him] Kool-Aid Man - UTC
[He/Him] Minecraft Steve - UTC
[He/Him] Prisoner - UTC
[He/Him] Rey - UTC
[-] Spider-Man - UTC
[He/Him] Witch - UTC

[He/Him] Zombie - Honestly, I don't even know where I land with him. There was a moment earlier in this day phase where I thought Zombie was purposely misreading my posts or ignoring stuff I'd said to drive a narrative that I was lying, but after explaining it, he seemed to see where I was coming from. I did not expect to be able to reason with him that way, so my initial scum read on him is definitely lower than before. A lot of this hinges on perceived tactics by scum on the EoD1 votes and Clown's nightkill. It's all pretty circumstantial. I've been trying to back up a bit and look at things holistically, and I don't think Zombie holds up as scum just for the theory I'd put forth earlier. I think Zombie is somewhere in the middle for me right now.​

 

[Witch]

ah fuck, see, the thing even posted on its own lol

 

[Banana]

I'll tell you why I don't want to lynch CK today. I'm not sure I'd say she convinced me of her innocence, but I'm convinced the D1 vote at the end of day (while still the most suspect vote because of how late it came in) could have just been an accident. CK put a lot of effort in today in particular to throw down some reads and produce some good directions for where to go after her death. While it could be an overdone scum play, it's more likely
still
that she just wants to give us as much information as possible for when she's no longer here.

It's worth looking back on later, but I think there are more suspicious characters afoot.

I think the activity level is what is making me back off a little bit for now. She is putting in a lot of work, don't agree with all of it and she probably needs to calm is down a bit, but generally this sort of activity is not a typical scum move.

As for me, it's morning time which means its voting time.

Vote: Spider-Man

They are my biggest current scum read based on a lot of what I posted about their Dracula defense and just a general unease in their direction. This vote isn't set in stone and I can definitely come off it but it is going to take something fairly significant for me to do so.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

What will it take to convince you to lynch CK?

Mafia ducked up, if someone with thread presence who could sway opinions were scum like Cereal or maybe Witch I feel like they wouldn’t duck this hard up and get four failing counters, one of which even had enough votes.
I dunno, that’s just where I am at the moment. In addition those two also had some leading votes which tends to be where town is, tho the mafia lunch changes the calculations a bit.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

I know it’s not black and white, but it feels like focus is too narrowly on those who were visible during EoD.

 

[Witch]

ok, second attempt!

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[She/Her] Baby - I feel like there's a genuine effort on Baby's part to contribute to the conversation, which is a slight town lean for me. I'm not sure there's much about her reads or questions that others haven't been putting out there already, but it's an honest effort.

[He/Him] Banana - I am leaning town on Banana now after pushing him yesterday. Putting together Banana's behavior D1 with D2, there is a really strong effort to scumhunt and try to push town-beneficial narratives. After Dracula vote, I think it buys him a lot of credit; even if I still feel one of Dracula's voters was scum, I don't think it was Banana. His PIK on Post #1019 is also a really well-reasoned list.

[-] Barack Obama - Nothing. Probably will be removed from game after today, so I'm not going to dig any deeper.

[He/Him] Barney - Seemed to be hinting at something, but the conclusion of lunch bomb seems totally off. I can't quite place what this could be. Otherwise, I don't have an alignment read or more information on what that role could be.

[He/Him] Bob Ross - Coming out of D1, Bob Ross is a strong town read for me. He came off a little abrasive at first (still is honestly), but being in the middle of that Dracula vote list, he is very likely just a frustrated town.

[She/Her] Cereal Killer|CK - Despite clashing with her a bit today and specifically not agreeing with how she is interpreting my actions, I can see she's putting genuine effort and trying to adapt to the circumstances. I am definitely leaning town for her, and I think between the information Banana and her put together, they've made a solid case for Spider-Man being scum.

[He/Him] Cinderella - I am seeing some effort from Cinderella, but not enough to draw any conclusions. Him interactions with Drac yesterday and defending him outright seems like it makes him too obvious a scum candidate, but at the same time, I can't shake the feeling that there might be something worth digging deeper into here. Slight scum lean in my book.

[She/Her] Daenerys Targaryen - I was town reading her yesterday because of her activity, but I also felt like she was hurting down more than helping it with some of the fluff she was posting. That said, now that Drac has flipped scum, some of her defense of him really early on is highly questionable. Actually, to Rey's credit, Dany went really hard on defending Drac at first. Some other folks were way more casual about it. There's also a weird narrative about Zombie not being a good lynch either ("Zombie feels like an easy target for town to get led into by Scum"). Eventually, she does vote for Zombie, so a lot of it doesn't add up super well. I don't know if this is town trying their best and stumbling, or scum overdoing their play. Moderate scum lean in my book.

[He/Him] Jack Sparrow - Looking back, a lot of Jack Sparrow's reasoning in D1 lines up with mine. I think he provides ample reasoning for his suspicions and generally lines up with town thinking, though he is a lot less uncertain than I have been. Slight town lean, I think.

[He/Him] Kool-Aid Man - Strong town lean. I think he is not totally full of shit, and even if he is, he's making plays to help town. It's way too risky for a scum to pull.

[He/Him] Minecraft Steve - I don't have a whole lot of thoughts about Steve, and his post history doesn't give me a lot to work off of. Neutral read for now.

[He/Him] Prisoner - I think I'm leaning town on Prisoner. I like the way he came at me in post #903 for attacking CK, even if I still don't agree with him. He has not posted much in D2, but most of his posts have been worthwhile and trying to give justification for his actions. I think he's played really well so far, despite getting jumped on D1.

[He/Him] Rey - Still really all over the place today. Seems to tunnel in on one specific person, though looking back now for good reason. I'm not sure I give or take away credit for being on the Drac train. Neutral read.

[-] Spider-Man - My top scum at the moment. I have posted some reasoning above, but basically, his interactions with Drac and CK, his voting patterns, and distancing from certain proceedings have been highly suspect.

[He/Him] Zombie - Honestly, I don't even know where I land with him. There was a moment earlier in this day phase where I thought Zombie was purposely misreading my posts or ignoring stuff I'd said to drive a narrative that I was lying, but after explaining it, he seemed to see where I was coming from. I did not expect to be able to reason with him that way, so my initial scum read on him is definitely lower than before. A lot of this hinges on perceived tactics by scum on the EoD1 votes and Clown's nightkill. It's all pretty circumstantial. I've been trying to back up a bit and look at things holistically, and I don't think Zombie holds up as scum just for the theory I'd put forth earlier. I think Zombie is somewhere in the middle for me right now.

 

[Spider-Man]

This game is fucking dead, BO still has 0 posts, we have a leader that's scum and most people don't give a shit.

I do. I'm quite certain CK is scum, and people have totally forgotten what she pulled at EOD because of her mega posts. In addition to other things, look at her opportunistically putting her vote back on me as soon as some other players toyed with the idea (right after banana I think).

It seems a lot of accusations have come my way since last night which I will address today. I just want to encourage you all to not get short sighted. So many times we've let sure scum slip away because we've talked ourselves out of it with a new shiny thing.

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

[He/Him] Kool-Aid Man - Strong town lean. I think he is not totally full of shit, and even if he is, he's making plays to help town. It's way too risky for a scum to pull.

I'm full of juice honey

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

Let's make it more interesting, since I have not forgotten.

Vote: Cereal Killer

Too many things pointing towards this player.

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

Mega posts don't interest me if they are made by scum

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

Mega posts don't interest me if they are made by scum

 

[Spider-Man]

Also want to add that if/when CK flips scum, I'd take a much much harder look at Witch

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

Also want to add that if/when CK flips scum, I'd take a much much harder look at Witch

I mean witch was my initial target for EoD1

 

[Natiko]

Vote Count:

Cereal Killer - 4
Bob Ross - Post #758
Spider-Man - Post #778
Minecraft Steve - Post #884
Witch - Post #886 Post #917
Kool-Aid Man - Post #1,116

Spider-Man - 4
Cereal Killer - Post #787 Post #862
Zombie - Post #821
Cereal Killer - Post #1,082
Witch - Post #1,105
Banana - Post #1,110

Daenerys Targaryen - 2
Baby - Post #786
Cinderella - Post #1,026

Rey - 1
Kool-Aid Man - Post #870

Barack Obama - 1
Jack Sparrow - Post #979

Jack Sparrow - 0
Cereal Killer - Post #862 Post #1,082

 

[Banana]

Let's make it more interesting, since I have not forgotten.

Vote: Cereal Killer

Too many things pointing towards this player.

How do you feel about Spidey at this point in time?

 

[Spider-Man]

I think with this vote, all the Spider-Man D1 behavior discussed on the previous page, and how Spider-Man has acted dug in on CK today, I am comfortable putting a vote down on them.

VOTE: Spider-Man

I don't follow why my CK vote makes you scumread me?

 

[Spider-Man]

I mean witch was my initial target for EoD1

I dare you to do it again.

 

[Witch]

I don't follow why my CK vote makes you scumread me?

there’s a bunch of other stuff on the previous page as well, but there’s very little reasoning behind your vote on CK besides suspicious voting and vague “some things said near EoD”. You say you’ll engage more later and just don’t.

For me, your vote behavior yesterday is way more suspect, but your actions today were with noting.

 

[Spider-Man]

I could totally vote Zombie. But it looks like Baby and Jack are on him and I have bad vibes from both.

At the time of this post there were only two minutes on the clock and the risk was too great of a tie if I switched my vote. I could tell people were Why risk that for someone I thought was likely town at the time? So I chickened out of the wagons and stuck with my strongest scum read at the time who was Bob Ross.

What the heck is Kool aid drinking?

At the time of this post there was only 10 minutes on the clock. And Bob was very much a possibility (from what I could see from people voting just before then, I wasn't using the vote tool). So I stuck with him. I couldn't keep up with people who then switched from Bob to others. And who knows, a Bob surge was likely still a possibility knowing this community. I feel like this was the right move for me.

 

[Spider-Man]

there’s a bunch of other stuff on the previous page as well, but there’s very little reasoning behind your vote on CK besides suspicious voting and vague “some things said near EoD”. You say you’ll engage more later and just don’t.

For me, your vote behavior yesterday is way more suspect, but your actions today were with noting.

But I did? Here:

CK prod votes me, then goes on to say I'm suspicious to her due to a quote I made about Bob Ross maybe not being scum. It feels like she is setting herself up to vote for me later in the game, the accusations feel really cheap.



Defending Dracula, doesn't like the Drac wagon. Admittedly I also wasn't a fan of voting Drac out, but I'm just pointing this quote out.



This vote comes after she said she finds me suspicious. At the time though I was one of the only votes on Bob, so why vote with me?



This post just felt weird when I read it yesterday, not sure why.

In general I feel that CK's interactions with me feel...off, and I can't really explain why. I guess it feels like she is hedging her bets with me. Also, I'm a relatively quiet player that one could easily poke at to look like she's scum hunting.

 

[Witch]

Totally missed that, one sec

 

[Spider-Man]

So I've been flipping through Spider-Man's posts and behavior, and it's been kind of strange from the first. Like others have pointed out, Spider-Man spent most of the day and ended the day off wagon on Bob Ross. Day end rolls around and they meander a bit with 2 minutes on the clock about maybe voting for Zombie, but they don't like the other players who are voting for Zombie, so they stay on Bob Ross. It's a really, really strange move considering they were around at day end and knew that voting for Bob Ross was just throwing a vote away. And I think this is also worth noting:


A joke vote isn't all that out of the ordinary, but it's a vote. This is more a comment on Dracula, but Dracula felt safe enough to jump into that vote without fear that it could be a trap, possibly because it was set up by one of his scummates.

I'm seeing some folks scumreading Spider-Man. Does anyone have any other examples of strange behavior from them?

Let me translate the bold: Hmm, what are the current chances of mislunching Spidey? I don't quite want to put down a vote yet until others do so first.

 

[Witch]

CK prod votes me, then goes on to say I'm suspicious to her due to a quote I made about Bob Ross maybe not being scum. It feels like she is setting herself up to vote for me later in the game, the accusations feel really cheap.



Defending Dracula, doesn't like the Drac wagon. Admittedly I also wasn't a fan of voting Drac out, but I'm just pointing this quote out.



This vote comes after she said she finds me suspicious. At the time though I was one of the only votes on Bob, so why vote with me?



This post just felt weird when I read it yesterday, not sure why.

In general I feel that CK's interactions with me feel...off, and I can't really explain why. I guess it feels like she is hedging her bets with me. Also, I'm a relatively quiet player that one could easily poke at to look like she's scum hunting.

1) I think it is suspicious that you spent so much time on Bob Ross to start getting soft there. You kept expressing being soft on Bob as it was getting towards end of day, but you didn’t move to other trains you also said were valid (I.e. Zombie)

2) no response to defending Drac

3) many of us voted on Bob as well, myself included. Thinking you and Bob were both suspicious is not out of the question.

4) that last post lines up with how CK has been acting throughout the day, so I don’t find that weird at all. The interactions are off because she’s suspicious of you.

 

[Spider-Man]

1) I think it is suspicious that you spent so much time on Bob Ross to start getting soft there. You kept expressing being soft on Bob as it was getting towards end of day, but you didn’t move to other trains you also said were valid (I.e. Zombie)

2) no response to defending Drac

3) many of us voted on Bob as well, myself included. Thinking you and Bob were both suspicious is not out of the question.

4) that last post lines up with how CK has been acting throughout the day, so I don’t find that weird at all. The interactions are off because she’s suspicious of you.

Don't really have much to say for the first three points, except that I didn't vote Zombie because I didn't like the players who had voted him (I said this). As for the last point, it's hard to describe but from my perspective it felt like CK was both trying to pocket me but also trying to set me up as a vote for the next day phase. This dichotomy just felt really odd, and to me set off my spidey-senses.

 

[Witch]

Let me translate the bold: Hmm, what are the current chances of mislunching Spidey? I don't quite want to put down a vote yet until others do so first.

Don't really have much to say for the first three points, except that I didn't vote Zombie because I didn't like the players who had voted him (I said this). As for the last point, it's hard to describe but from my perspective it felt like CK was both trying to pocket me but also trying to set me up as a vote for the next day phase. This dichotomy just felt really odd, and to me set off my spidey-senses.

At 2 minutes to deadline, you decide it’s better to throw away your vote than get into the fray. I think that says a lot more than who you didn’t want to put your vote on.

CK has been doing the same to everyone. That’s not personal.

 

[Witch]

Let me translate the bold: Hmm, what are the current chances of mislunching Spidey? I don't quite want to put down a vote yet until others do so first.

lol sure

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Just going to drop this here before I go back and read the last page and a half. Don’t want my vote to become a total waste
UNVOTE

 

[Cereal Killer]

The idea that a scum team or even part of a scum team would openly declare an intent to and then try to save a goon who was likely going to be a wagon again the next day due to how many people suspected him is utterly ridiculous, especially in this meta, when we always look unfavorably on frenetic vote movement no matter how often it is just town.

If you really think scum would risk it all for a goon that was under that much scrutiny, then I imagine tomorrow you’re just going to continue ignoring everything else and look at more EoD1 votes.

KAM, I hope you are a vig and you shoot me so maybe in the last hour SOMETHING will happen to shake this fugue.

 

[Prisoner]

I didn't have time to go over every player yet (only 2 in fact), but I'll try to get some thoughts:

I first looked at Barney, because some of his posts today stuck out to me.

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I actually think that if scum wanted to move post to save Dracula (Something I kinda doubt because of how fast it all was), I think they would move votes to Bob Ross who was more likely to tie or take over the vote, if the prisoner push didn't work out. Of course I am part of them Zombie votes, so yeah.

This post in particular reads strange to me. It seems there are quite a few assumptions on alignments of wagons at EoD1 and Scum strategies.

Well, that scum is on the vote is the obvious answer, but I was on that vote and I can tell you that I was also not feeling the Draks vote so I went for you, who I felt worse about.

You can't deny there is a chance this may also have been a scum vs scum situation. If you think someone who voted you is scum, who would that be?

This post is a weird defense of his late vote on Zombie. He says it could have been Scum vs Scum, so there may not be Scum on that Wagon, but why does that not count for the other wagons as you assumed in the previous quote? It sounds like he wants to paint anyone not on Dracula as possible Scum while excusing Zombie voters.

Not really, I don't think you are actually scum now, hell, I didn't even believed you were scum when I voted for you back then.

This is also a strange post, since Barney hasn't voted Cereal at all.

You got that backwards, that day Prisoner was my choice, I switched to zombie when I saw the vote was going to be between Dracula and Zombie, and wanted to make my vote count. At the time of my vote I felt there was a tie or Zombie was leading, unsure due to the tool dying, but my vote went to who I wanted to see flip between those two.

This post is only strange in conjunction with the previous quotes. In the first quote he insinuates that there may not be Scum on Zombie, because he also thought he might be Scum, but now he says he wanted to lunch me and not Zombie, so that is kind of a contradiction.

There is a lot of back and forth on whether voting a counter wagon to Dracula is scummy or not. He conveniently thinks that voting Zombie is somehow less scummy than voting me. There's also no real game solving here, only defense for his actions D1 with light agreement on Cereal being Scum but without anything behind it and later even walking it back when she started with her megaposts. There is also his weird episode on D1 where he declared he would just meet the post quota and then disappear for the day. At this point I think he is my top Scum at the moment even before Cereal. The fact he was agreeing with Cereal voters early but pack pedaled quickly when support seemed to stall makes me feel better about Cereal.

I also looked at Spider-Man, because he is currently a lunch wagon and I don't really remember anything remarkable from them.

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Wanted to see who jumped on this. Think this is everyone?

The way I took it, Dracula just made the assumption that there are 4 scum in the game, reasonable given the 18 players.

Bob Ross really wants you to know he pointed out the "scum slip" first

Could read as defense.

This comment seems a little over the top, like trying to blow Drac's post out of proportion. Not sure I like these vibes.

I think out of all these responses I like Bob Ross and Zombie's the least.

This is them downplaying the slip.

Huh, kinda surprised Bob Ross only has one vote... It felt like a lot of people were on his ass.

VOTE: Bob Ross

This is a strange vote. It sounds like they wanted others to vote for Bob before putting a vote on him as well.

I could totally vote Zombie. But it looks like Baby and Jack are on him and I have bad vibes from both.

This is right before EoD, when panic was in full swing.

Ugh you beat me to it. This is the best vote for today.

Bob is definitely town, and CKs voting from yesterday is suspect. Also a couple of small things she said near day end made me uncomfortable. Will engage more later.

VOTE: Cereal Killer

They were one of the first to vote Cereal.

Can you go over why you decided to stay on Zombie? You were the first vote on him, so essentially you were keeping out of the vote switching shenanigans (yes yes pot calling the kettle black etc)

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I do. I'm quite certain CK is scum, and people have totally forgotten what she pulled at EOD because of her mega posts. In addition to other things, look at her opportunistically putting her vote back on me as soon as some other players toyed with the idea (right after banana I think).

It seems a lot of accusations have come my way since last night which I will address today. I just want to encourage you all to not get short sighted. So many times we've let sure scum slip away because we've talked ourselves out of it with a new shiny thing.

I actually agree with this post in a way, though I'm no longer convinced of Cereals scummyness.

It seems people are mainly Scum reading them for not switching their vote at EoD, but considering it was quite a chaos I can't blame them all that much.

I'll also want to read back on Witch, who has had some eyebrow raising posts today. Other gut feelings are Dany and Rey, but there's not much more behind those feelings yet, so I may try to read them as well.

 

[Barney]

I'm back and I'm really surprised no one is voting me, what the hell? I've been coasting the whole game and I have nothing to show for it.

So today it seem to be going CK vs Spider-Man. Well I made a case with CK but I have nothing on the spider, so my vote should be clear.

Vote: Cereal Killer[/Highlight]

 

[Barney]

Vote: Cereal Killer

 

[Baby]

Between Cereal Killer and Spider-Man, I'm going to vote Spider-Man. The dismissive attitude towards the mega posts based on the assumption that Cereal Killer is already scum when so many other people had bad votes at end of day feels lazy, and like town are just walking into the simplest solution instead of digging.

Let's shake it up and see what happens maybe?

Vote : Barney

 

[Baby]

Oh. There's barney

 

[Barney]

Oh. There's barney

Heya friendo.

 

[Prisoner]

I didn't have time to go over every player yet (only 2 in fact), but I'll try to get some thoughts:

I first looked at Barney, because some of his posts today stuck out to me.

Spoiler

This post in particular reads strange to me. It seems there are quite a few assumptions on alignments of wagons at EoD1 and Scum strategies.

This post is a weird defense of his late vote on Zombie. He says it could have been Scum vs Scum, so there may not be Scum on that Wagon, but why does that not count for the other wagons as you assumed in the previous quote? It sounds like he wants to paint anyone not on Dracula as possible Scum while excusing Zombie voters.

This is also a strange post, since Barney hasn't voted Cereal at all.

This post is only strange in conjunction with the previous quotes. In the first quote he insinuates that there may not be Scum on Zombie, because he also thought he might be Scum, but now he says he wanted to lunch me and not Zombie, so that is kind of a contradiction.

There is a lot of back and forth on whether voting a counter wagon to Dracula is scummy or not. He conveniently thinks that voting Zombie is somehow less scummy than voting me. There's also no real game solving here, only defense for his actions D1 with light agreement on Cereal being Scum but without anything behind it and later even walking it back when she started with her megaposts. There is also his weird episode on D1 where he declared he would just meet the post quota and then disappear for the day. At this point I think he is my top Scum at the moment even before Cereal. The fact he was agreeing with Cereal voters early but pack pedaled quickly when support seemed to stall makes me feel better about Cereal.

I also looked at Spider-Man, because he is currently a lunch wagon and I don't really remember anything remarkable from them.

Spoiler

This is them downplaying the slip.

This is a strange vote. It sounds like they wanted others to vote for Bob before putting a vote on him as well.

This is right before EoD, when panic was in full swing.

They were one of the first to vote Cereal.



I actually agree with this post in a way, though I'm no longer convinced of Cereals scummyness.

It seems people are mainly Scum reading them for not switching their vote at EoD, but considering it was quite a chaos I can't blame them all that much.

I'll also want to read back on Witch, who has had some eyebrow raising posts today. Other gut feelings are Dany and Rey, but there's not much more behind those feelings yet, so I may try to read them as well.

I just realized I misread one of Barneys posts. He wasn't actually town reading Cereal at the end, that post was directed at Zombie, but it's still strange voting for someone you are town reading.

 

[Prisoner]

I'm back and I'm really surprised no one is voting me, what the hell? I've been coasting the whole game and I have nothing to show for it.

So today it seem to be going CK vs Spider-Man. Well I made a case with CK but I have nothing on the spider, so my vote should be clear.

Vote: Cereal Killer[/Highlight]

Great timing! Do you have any other leads besides Cereal?

 

[Barney]

Great timing! Do you have any other leads besides Cereal?

I'm working on them, but my vote will remain there. I'll probably die today/tonight since I'm not getting voted out because people think I'm a lunch bomb. If Kool-Aid has a gun there is a chance I get shot. I could make several post or just a single big one.

 

[Barney]

I feel like Scum is happy to let the Drac wagon go on

I think Cinderella is town.

 

[Witch]

Idk if you’re a lunch bomb or not Barney, but you do keep hinting at wanting to be lunched. I’m not willing to oblige you.

 

[Barney]

I actually find it likely that there are two scum on my wagon but any more than that is a fever dream, there's obviously going to be some dispersal

Based on this I think that, at that point, the Drak wagon was pure:
Banana - 0
Zombie - 0
Bob Ross - 0
Rey - 0

Well I think, I don't really like Rey that much on that list, and I spoke about Zombie before, but for now I'll put this four on the clear list.

 

[Witch]

Based on this I think that, at that point, the Drak wagon was pure:
Banana - 0
Zombie - 0
Bob Ross - 0
Rey - 0

Well I think, I don't really like Rey that much on that list, and I spoke about Zombie before, but for now I'll put this four on the clear list.

That’s a good quote, but I think it could be 0 or 1. I just know it wasn’t 2.

 

[Barney]

This one is interesting:

If you had to make a definitive statement on Cereal Killer's alignment, what would you say she is?

You interested in trying this out?

VOTE: Banana

Town.

yeah fuck it why not

VOTE: Banana

At this point the wagon was going clear on Dracula. And they also discuss CK. And all it took was 3 minutes for Witch to agree with the Banana wagon. Hmm. In comparisons clown response was more belieavable.

The meta talk? I thought that was whatever for the most part.

-

This is hard to put into words, ugh, normal games aren't this hard. Sorry for taking so much time.

Cinderella case ends up a shoe short without the vote and the reasoning for it, would love to see where he goes so I can then criticize that oh wait that is one of those jokes that gets you killed damn it.

Zombie is the most genuine one I think of the four (Banana, Cindy, Zommie, Bob). I don't agree with his idea and his read of things but I feel his play is honest to himself. He shares a position in the timeline with Banana - both take on the slip around the same time - and I feel Banana is the opportunistic one of the two in the end.

Bob went from uncooperative to discussing off-topic things. Zombie and CK had to prod him for a vote. He complains about the uselessness of everything D1 but believes in the strength of the slip. One part SalvaPot-school of scum, more parts not being in the game and making it up with quantity. 2nd target for today.

Coming back to Banana, I'd call at least one thing malicious (shading Witch back with the "slink back to shadows"), his whole play could be telegraphed cause at times it gives those outsider vibes of clarity and then there are some things I don't agree on (Dany and Dracula).

VOTE: Banana

I think it's likely witch and draks coordinated the vote here to get a wagon on Banana going, probs.

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

Idk if you’re a lunch bomb or not Barney, but you do keep hinting at wanting to be lunched. I’m not willing to oblige you.

I can be the one who can vote him last since I don't care about dying through a so called bomb. I doubt there is a bomb

 

[Barney]

On the off chance Bob isn't scum, his elimination might give us some clues as many players have strong opinions on him

I don't like this particular quote from spider-man. How? How would bob give clues f he wasn't scum? Strong opinions mean almost nothing when you flip clear. Come on, spider-man.

 

[Witch]

I can be the one who can vote him last since I don't care about dying through a so called bomb. I doubt there is a bomb

unfortunately, I don’t really have a legitimate reason to lynch him, either

 

[Prisoner]

Based on this I think that, at that point, the Drak wagon was pure:
Banana - 0
Zombie - 0
Bob Ross - 0
Rey - 0

Well I think, I don't really like Rey that much on that list, and I spoke about Zombie before, but for now I'll put this four on the clear list.

That’s a good quote, but I think it could be 0 or 1. I just know it wasn’t 2.

I mean, two Scum bussing the same team mate on D1 is pretty unlikely, so I'm not sure I'd put much weight into that observation.

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

unfortunately, I don’t really have a legitimate reason to lynch him, either

Why ? All the suicide talk did you not at least side eye that player ?

 

[Prisoner]

Between Cereal Killer and Spider-Man, I'm going to vote Spider-Man. The dismissive attitude towards the mega posts based on the assumption that Cereal Killer is already scum when so many other people had bad votes at end of day feels lazy, and like town are just walking into the simplest solution instead of digging.

Let's shake it up and see what happens maybe?

Vote : Barney

Is there a reason you picked Barney and not somebody else?

 

[Barack Obama]

Let's think about the shot a bit.
16 players/13 town 3 scum
Mislynch 1. 14/11/3
Mislynch 2. 12/9/3
Mislynch 3. 10/7/3
Mislynch 4. 8/5/3
Mislynch 5 is game over.
If you shoot anywhere in there scum still needs 5 mislynches to win. We lose nothing from you taking a shot with potential of hitting scum.

Welcome good people. I have been in a bit of a rutt this phase, but I'm now going through the thread now. I'll finish reading soon but I thought I'd just say that @
Kool-Aid Man really should use the shot today or tomorrow. Why you ask? Well Bob Ross brought up the numbers and it looks like it won't be too too dire if koolaid hits a town. Second, we've already hit scum so far so we've come into this day in a good position. Lastly, I don't trust you Mr koolaid and you using the shot now will at least prove you have the ability (won't prove alignment but at least will show you are willing to work with town : D )


Let me rephrase.
Assuming the power is real!
Shoots today:
Town Koolaid Uses the shot and hits someone, probaly town but might be neutral or scum.
Scum Koolaid: Wastes the shot now instead of later in the game where
Either way a player flips sooner so we get info on alignment and role, as well as any interation between the victim and everyone else

I feel like I'm rambling a lot so back to reading the tread

 

[Bob Ross]

Of course everyone gets chatty when I go to sleep. KM use the shot today, we don't lose anything, I'm not going to tell you who to shoot, I trust you will make the right choice.

 

[Barack Obama]

So I was looking at the voting at day end and made some observations:
Cereal started off-wagon but then switched to Zombie first. This brought him 1 away from Dracula and tied with Banana in second place, but at this point it didn't look like that Train was going anywhere. After that Bob started to get steam and Cereal switched there as well, creating a tie between Dracula and Bob. When the Bob train lost steam again he switched back to Zombie, after Witch started that train again. Then in the last moment Cereal switched to Prisoner without giving a reason. I feel like this switch was to get off wagon should Zombie be lunched, which almost happened had the last two votes not been too late.
It's also of note that he avoided voting Banana in this whole affair.

I would also like to have a look at Steve and Barney, who were late with their vote. They both had a vote on Prisoner before and were mostly observing the day end, but then switched to Zombie in unison. The fact their votes are so synchronized makes me doubt they are both Scum, but I could see at least one. The Zombie train was in full steam at that point and I think it would have been easy to hide in it. However, this whole scenario kind of conflicts with a Scum!Cereal theory.

Witch switching from Prisoner to Zombie when it was tied looks townie to me. This vote started the whole Zombie train in the end and I think Scum used this to jump on it.

Daeneris is still an open point for me. She started out off wagon on Steve but then switched to Bob, who she had voted once before already. In the end she was among the last minute Zombie voters and brought him 1 away from Dracula, but her vote didn't seem to come out of nowhere like many others did.

Not sure what to make of Cinderella. There isn't much to work with except for a random vote on Prisoner, which brought me in the lead. He then asks for a tie break when it was Dracula vs Zombie, not sure why he couldn't do it himself.

@Barack Obama what do you think about the day end?

Also can we use other nicknames instead of 2-letter-abbreviations? I always struggle to remember what each abbreviation stands for.

So far based on reading up to post 900 or so and not looking at current votes I would go Prisoner or Dany. Truly the guttest of gut feelings however.
Besides actually reading rest of thread I'll also look over the end of day votes more closely

 

[Witch]

Why ? All the suicide talk did you not at least side eye that player ?

Definitely some side eye, but it goes both ways. He could just be town with nothing to lose. I don’t think he is a good lunch candidate for today.

 

[Barack Obama]

I'm not sure I really like MS going down this rabbit hole BUT...

Clown's PM does say he'd be "removed" from the game if he targeted scum, but he "died" instead.

Am I dissecting flavor too much? I'll abandon this train of thought if it doesn't make sense. I think scum killing Clown is perfectly valid anyway.

death is just the removal of life! Probably just flavor.

 

[Barney]

This is me stating my intent to move to Zombie to avoid a tie or block a Dracula lynch.

Ballsy.

Dracula at 4 votes; Prisoner, Banana, and Zombie at 3 votes.

The Prisoner surge at the last minute is making me uncomfortable, but I guess I was part of the Banana surge so...

Self-aware.

That reread of Banana and Zombie wasn't all that helpful.
I think I'd slightly prefer a Banana lunch though, just because I think it's a little bit more likely for them to be on a team with Bob who is a stronger Scum lean than both of them.

vote: Bob Ross
Let's add another wagon to the mix.

Tried to go Bob Ross over any of the others leading, aight.

I'm going to self pres now:

vote: Dracula

Didn't consider Drac until Prisoner was on risk of getting lunched. Hmm, Dracula was not around to change his vote to Bob Ross.

==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

Prisoner (5 votes)
Barack Obama - 0
Minecraft Steve - 0
Barney - 0
Witch - 0
Cinderella - 0

Bob Ross (4 votes)
Daenerys Targaryen - 0 0
Spider-Man - 0
Dracula - 0 0
Daenerys Targaryen - 0
Prisoner - 0
Cereal Killer - 0

Dracula (4 votes)
Cereal Killer - 0 0
Banana - 0
Zombie - 0
Bob Ross - 0
Rey - 0

Banana (2 votes)
Witch - 0 0
Dracula - 0
Witch - 0 0
Clown - 0

Zombie (2 votes)
Baby - 0
Jack Sparrow - 0
Witch - 0 0
Cereal Killer - 0 0

Witch (1 votes)
Kool-Aid Man - 0

Daenerys Targaryen (0 votes)
Prisoner - 0 0
Rey - 0 0

Spider-Man (0 votes)
Cereal Killer - 0 0

Minecraft Steve (0 votes)
Daenerys Targaryen - 0 0

Cereal Killer (0 votes)
Spider-Man - 0 0
Dracula - 0 0

Barack Obama (0 votes)
Cereal Killer - 0 0

Clown (0 votes)
Prisoner - 0 0

Post Counts:
Daenerys Targaryen: 90 Cereal Killer: 66 Witch: 60 Dracula: 55 Bob Ross: 42 Banana: 35 Clown: 35 Rey: 34 Spider-Man: 27 Barney: 25 Kool-Aid Man: 23 Baby: 22 Prisoner: 21 Zombie: 17 Jack Sparrow: 16 Cinderella: 15 Minecraft Steve: 13 Barack Obama: 10

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

The whole vote was interesting at that point, sudden pushes on both prisoner and bob ross, dracula lagging behind.

VOTE: Prisoner

Drac and Bob aren't scum... I think Bob's recent posts show that.

But then Witch voted prisoner. This meand they can't be scum together.

But nobody wanna vote Zombie for some reason

Danny pushes on zombie...

VOTE: Zombie

I hope this is something

And witch just follows again? Witch really seems to move around a lot every time someone suggest another target, really easily. And then complains about the chaos.

 

[Barack Obama]

No way a cult exists, I'd be surprised if even a neutral existed.

I could see a survivor role, only because of the wording on his role reveal

 

[Barack Obama]

You got that backwards, that day Prisoner was my choice, I switched to zombie when I saw the vote was going to be between Dracula and Zombie, and wanted to make my vote count. At the time of my vote I felt there was a tie or Zombie was leading, unsure due to the tool dying, but my vote went to who I wanted to see flip between those two.

Haven't reread the end of day section but wasn't prisonerfor lunching at that stage of the day?

 

[Barney]

I would kill prisoner over drac tbh

vote: Zombie

Zombie at this point?

vote: Prisoner

VOTE: Zombie

Not the preferred target but I don't want Dracula at all.

Are you trying to tie?

This is here we descended into pure chaos. I think it's really interesting CK voted prisoner over zombie here by the end.


At this point I was fairly convinced that CK is scum, but there is an issue... she flipflopped and went from zombie to prisoner once again. At that point Drac had 5 votes, Prisoner had 4 and Zombie had 3, with 2 minutes left on the clock. Drac was not around to save himself. But CK voted zombie first , so in her mind, it was (5/4/4) and then to Prisoner (5/5/4). I think she voted 100% with the idea to save Drac at any cost, even risking a tie, and had no time to react to the new zombie votes. Maybe at the moment she felt more players would vote Prisoner, or at least tie it. The fact is, she reacted after the fact, saying if she had know she would stay zombie. So this means this switch of votes was pure and with the clear intention of saving drac at any cost.


If this is the case, then where are her scummates? I think witch is likely scum, but witch also seems to be following a lot, it could just be that. And if witch was coordinating with scummates, witch would probably have switched to prisoner too. Unless they knew prisoner was town and couldn't risk both been on that vote. Maybe drac was not worth the effort to save.

My conclussion:

Town:
Kool-Aid
Cinderella
Banana

 

[Barney]

Haven't reread the end of day section but wasn't prisonerfor lunching at that stage of the day?

Zombie was gaining traction and I felt it was a Drac vs Zombie choice, so I went with zombie. I felt prisoner was losing votes.

 

[Barack Obama]

OK PIK (as of now caught up to thread but haven't reread end of day votes)

Protect: Bob Ross - Cool guy, I agree with him on the Koolaid shot
Investigate:Cereal Killer - Engaging with the game a whole heap, that doesn't equal town to mean but does mean she is either just really chatty or has a non-vanilla role
Kill: Koolaid (if he doens't use his shot :p

 

[Barney]

Oh right, I also think Bob Ross is town.

As for scum, it really depends on CK's flip. Looking at the list, I'll say CK, Witch, Rey and Danny feel the scummiest to me. I have mixed feelings about pris, because of the way the votes moved around him, I think there is a chance but it depends on the flips. Spider-Man I made a note of but I think they are in the celar.

I have null reads on Obama, Baby and Jack Sparrow

Zombie I still can't really wrap my head around, even if I tried to vote him last day, I don't know if scum was trying to protect him. If CK flips scum I think there is a chance zombie is scum too, due to CK switching to prisoner last second.

 

[Barack Obama]

Can I try to make fetch happen? It was so close last time!
VOTE: Prisoner

and again voting is key and all that, civic duty and eagles and freedom and stuff

 

[Witch]

Oh right, I also think Bob Ross is town.

As for scum, it really depends on CK's flip. Looking at the list, I'll say CK, Witch, Rey and Danny feel the scummiest to me. I have mixed feelings about pris, because of the way the votes moved around him, I think there is a chance but it depends on the flips. Spider-Man I made a note of but I think they are in the celar.

I have null reads on Obama, Baby and Jack Sparrow

Zombie I still can't really wrap my head around, even if I tried to vote him last day, I don't know if scum was trying to protect him. If CK flips scum I think there is a chance zombie is scum too, due to CK switching to prisoner last second.

Where do you land on Spider-Man? Sorry if I missed it, I only saw you reply to him saying a Bob flip would give us information.

 

[Witch]

Them* fuck

 

[Barack Obama]

It's pretty funny how many said they didn't want to vote drac tee hee

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

Sorry Obama, you can't pocket me, not even with that thread of yours that you will scum read me. I am universally loved. Sorry that you aren't

 

[Barack Obama]

None of the wagons yesterday broke and role claimed, so that's something. I'm thinking Prisoner was the only scum on the drac train and that scum cut their losses on Drac, seeing as he had no abilities

 

[Barack Obama]

Sorry Obama, you can't pocket me, not even with that thread of yours that you will scum read me. I am universally loved. Sorry that you aren't

lies, though fun fact, I have never CONSUMED the Koolaid, I don't think they see that in *insert country here*

 

[Bob Ross]

Them* fuck

I think the dash means any pronoun.

 

[Barack Obama]

lies, though fun fact, I have never CONSUMED the Koolaid, I don't think they see that in *insert country here*

PS i feel like I'm pocketing Bob Ross instead of you if anything :p

if town pocketing is a thing

 

[Barney]

Where do you land on Spider-Man? Sorry if I missed it, I only saw you reply to him saying a Bob flip would give us information.

That is all I have from Spider, sadly, I'll be lying if I find anything else about spidy particularly scummy.

Can I try to make fetch happen? It was so close last time!
VOTE: Prisoner

and again voting is key and all that, civic duty and eagles and freedom and stuff

If CK flips town I think Prisoner is probably scum. I don't see them working together.

 

[Bob Ross]

None of the wagons yesterday broke and role claimed, so that's something. I'm thinking Prisoner was the only scum on the drac train and that scum cut their losses on Drac, seeing as he had no abilities

To be fair Dracula was probably missing considering his vote was still on Banana and the other 2 rose so fast that they probably didn't have time to.

 

[Prisoner]

Barneys recent outburst of activity hasn't really convinced me so far.

We're nearing EoD, so I'll put my vote down for now
vote: Barney

 

[Barack Obama]

16 of 18 players had a vote on either of the 3 wagons. exceptions were:
Spiderman - vote on bob ross
Dracula (CONFIRMED EVIL EVIL) - vote on Banana
Dracula really could have saved himself. I totes could see scum chat paniicking trying to get through to him and getting him to vote on any of the other wagons :D

 

[Natiko]

Them* fuck

Please check pronouns. This is your warning.

 

[Natiko]

Vote Count:

Cereal Killer - 5
Bob Ross - Post #758
Spider-Man - Post #778
Minecraft Steve - Post #884
Witch - Post #886 Post #917
Kool-Aid Man - Post #1,116
Barney - Post #1,138

Spider-Man - 4
Cereal Killer - Post #787 Post #862
Zombie - Post #821
Cereal Killer - Post #1,082
Witch - Post #1,105
Banana - Post #1,110

Barney - 2
Baby - Post #1,139
Prisoner - Post #1,179

Daenerys Targaryen - 1
Baby - Post #786 Post #1,139
Cinderella - Post #1,026

Prisoner - 1
Barack Obama - Post #1,168

Barack Obama - 0
Jack Sparrow - Post #979 Post #1,134

Jack Sparrow - 0
Cereal Killer - Post #862 Post #1,082

Rey - 0
Kool-Aid Man - Post #870 Post #1,116

 

[Bob Ross]

So the dash means They/Them?

 

[Cereal Killer]

So the dash means They/Them?

I thought same as you, that it meant any, because that was how it had been used in the past.

 

[Bob Ross]

I thought same as you, that it meant any, because that was how it had been used in the past.

Yeah, if it meant They/Them there should be a They/Them in there not a dash, it's also a dash in the opening post, I'm confused.

 

[Spider-Man]

Them* fuck

No worries, any pronoun works for me!

 

[Barney]

I thought same as you, that it meant any, because that was how it had been used in the past.

Yeah I was also confused by this, but decided to use they just to be on the safe side.

 

[Natiko]

Them* fuck

Please check pronouns. This is your warning.

No worries, any pronoun works for me!

Yeah, I had to go back and check what was requested. Apologies Witch, you do not have a warning.

 

[Rey]

vote: Cereal Killer

Let's go

 

[Bob Ross]

You can always count on Rey to save the day.

 

[Barack Obama]

how many for majority, and how long till end of day?

 

[Natiko]

Crowd: Huh, did the pile of bodies get larger? I swore we only tossed two in there... Oh well, nobody likes clowns anyways

Clown has died!



DAY 2 BEGINS

Day 2 Ends In:

Majority is 9

Vote tool is HERE

Here is the day opening post with the majority and day end info.

 

[Bob Ross]

Obama are you planning to stay on Prisoner or move to 1 of the 2 wagons?

 

[Cereal Killer]

I don't have a strong read on Dany - Dany is in my somewhat sketchy pile from day one for hedgy reads. Not something I would case today but would keep an eye on in the future. But I think she has posted some really good points today about the game state that should be reinforced.

But it still doesn’t look like they tried to save Dracula though?

I find that scum are often more aware than town of vote counts as they know exactly who they want lunched while town is unsure.

Mafia ducked up, if someone with thread presence who could sway opinions were scum like Cereal or maybe Witch I feel like they wouldn’t duck this hard up and get four failing counters, one of which even had enough votes.
I dunno, that’s just where I am at the moment. In addition those two also had some leading votes which tends to be where town is, tho the mafia lunch changes the calculations a bit.

I know it’s not black and white, but it feels like focus is too narrowly on those who were visible during EoD.

There is a difference between power wolfing to protect your team and throwing your spaghetti in the air and running around in a panic. Scum very seldom does the latter. When they do the former, it doesn't look like what happened d1. At all.

People moving were either pushing another vote because they felt more strongly about it or because they openly said they thought Drac was town. The more insidious approach is to build stronger cases against others or influence cases that are already happening. That didn't happen. A couple of people - Dany one, Cinderella another - made some noise about dead air/scum satisfaction and for good or not that gets people moving even if it shouldn't. Even in costume we know how to push each others' buttons. All it takes it the introduction of doubt.

There are people who sat on the sidelines and watched it happen. That's where your most likely scum is. Not in the vocal people who left arrows pointing to them.

 

[Cereal Killer]

That is all I have from Spider, sadly, I'll be lying if I find anything else about spidy particularly scummy.

If CK flips town I think Prisoner is probably scum. I don't see them working together.

When I flip town, you need to look at Spider-Man, who is happy to coast along for the ride while other people do the work for him and other mafia.

 

[Barney]

When I flip town, you need to look at Spider-Man, who is happy to coast along for the ride while other people do the work for him and other mafia.

What if Spider flips town before you?

 

[Prisoner]

So @Daenerys Targaryen and @Jack Sparrow are the only ones without a vote down.

 

[Cereal Killer]

None of the wagons yesterday broke and role claimed, so that's something. I'm thinking Prisoner was the only scum on the drac train and that scum cut their losses on Drac, seeing as he had no abilities

If there is scum on the Drac train, I agree that this would be the most likely spot, with the way Prisoner built to that d1 and that choice for self pres among the other wagons. It felt more like hedging bets than self pres and I suspect if Drac had been here they would have cross voted.

 

[Cereal Killer]

What if Spider flips town before you?

I have a hard time envisioning a town Spidey right now but I would look back at why I thought he was scum and how other people reacted, or did not, to those posts and Banana's in particular. I also don't see me living past today. It's dumb, but you might as well kill me or I'll just be a wagon again tomorrow.

 

[Barack Obama]

Obama are you planning to stay on Prisoner or move to 1 of the 2 wagons?

Yeah I'll switch my vote around one hour before end of day, probaly to CK, butttttttttttttttttttttttttttt what if Mr good guy koolaid man did us a solid and shot ck hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Then we'll have some time do adapt after the deed has been done