Costume Party |OT| The Mafia Mash
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Barack Obama
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Well I was team ‘drac slip was actually town making a mistake and making assumption on number of scum’ and team ‘prisoner is scum actively trying to stifle conversation’ with his second vote message.
Then I was still on Prisoner day 2, but only as I pretty much absent that phase, except the end.
Day 3 was similar to day 2, except there was less to catch up on. Looked like there was no way for me to try a prisoner train, so I started doing whatever I do when I’m in doubt and started going after one of my early town read (Bob Ross)
more in like 10 minutes
Barack Obama
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Also leaning towards Barney being town, why? Well if Barney was scum he would have had to deal with 3 (maybe more!) chats in OM, and we know how difficult that can be apparently ;p
(at least with games on resetera there is that separation between the main game thread and scum/other chats)
(at least with games on resetera there is that separation between the main game thread and scum/other chats)
Cinderella
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Why do we think Prisoner is scum again?
Barack Obama
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@Kool-Aid Man you brought up how the talks about your shot would give you information, have you come to any conclusions with your findings?
Barack Obama
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Who brought up the possibility of neutrals a
Dayummm, poor Dracula got the plain old boring role PM then.
Barney
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I kinda wonder if Kool-Aid Man did that last second switch to Dracula because of it. If KAM knew it was a S v S situation then no reason not to hammer.
Barack Obama
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The colour coding has changed! with this one I've made myself green and Zombie red to see how the vote distribution looks
Red - Scum
Green - Town
Strike-through - Deadddddd
Purple - Dracula Wagon EOD1
Yellow - Prisoner Wagon EOD1
Brown - Zombie Wagon EOD1
Blue - Spider-Man Wagon EOD1
@Witch
@Cinderella
@Jack Sparrow
BEsides Zombie, you three are the only D2 Spider-Man voters still alive (it's a bit of a town graveyard there tbh). Have your views on Spider-Man changed?
Red - Scum
Green - Town
Purple - Dracula Wagon EOD1
Yellow - Prisoner Wagon EOD1
Brown - Zombie Wagon EOD1
Blue - Spider-Man Wagon EOD1
| END OF DAY VOTES | ||
| Day 1 (18/18 Voted) | Day 2 (16/16 Voted) | Day 3 (13/14 Voted) |
| Bob Ross | Cinderella | |
| Zombie | Spider-Man | Jack Sparrow |
| Bob Ross | Minecraft Steve | Rey |
| Rey | Kool-Aid Man | Witch |
| Prisoner | Barney | Bob Ross |
| Kool-Aid Man | Rey | Barney |
| Prisoner | Minecraft Steve | |
| Prisoner (5 Votes) | Barack Obama | |
| Barack Obama | Barney (5 Votes) | |
| Minecraft Steve | ||
| Barney | Spider-Man (7 Votes) | Prisoner |
| Cinderella | Zombie | Spider-Man |
| Kool-Aid Man | ||
| Witch | ||
| Zombie (5 Votes) | ||
| Cinderella | Spider-Man (1 Vote) | |
| Jack Sparrow | Jack Sparrow | Zombie |
| Witch | ||
| No Votes (1) TSK TSK TSK | ||
| Barack Obama | ||
| Bob Ross (1 Vote) | ||
| Spider-Man | ||
@Witch
@Cinderella
@Jack Sparrow
BEsides Zombie, you three are the only D2 Spider-Man voters still alive (it's a bit of a town graveyard there tbh). Have your views on Spider-Man changed?
Kool-Aid Man
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LoL, i cant stop laughing
Kool-Aid Man
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Kinda, am side eyeing Cinderella for trying to keep Dracula and Bob Ross. Throwing in Bob Ross with Dracula in order to look town.
Witch was also saying that if i shoot her we should look at Banana ( not sure what to think of it, could be TvT).
Then again in hindsight she was the one trying to push for Zombie in the last minutes of Day1 instead of Dracula. Scum trying to push for another scum instead of the scum player who is in the lead would be next level, so i guess that clears her in my eyes.
Witch is in my eyes the only town player.
Kool-Aid Man
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@Barack Obama what about the possibility of Spiderman being scum ?
Zombie has for two days now tried to push for his death.
Zombie has for two days now tried to push for his death.
Jack Sparrow
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@Barack Obama Not really no. I still am leaning scum on Spidey(I had DT as 1 and spidey as 2) but zombie being scum really broke my ankles so I’m not sure if my reads are all to great.
Cinderella
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Btw most of your town credit was that you voted Dracula instead of Zombie, but now we know that doesn't mean a thing.
Witch
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My view on Spider-Man has changed somewhat, but not necessarily for the better.
I'm going to say that the Zombie train D1 was pure. All the scum were elsewhere. Whether Prisoner was indeed a third scum or not, I don't think we can say for certain. However, since they totally avoided voting for one not-outed scum, it might be a good guess that Prisoner is not a third scum. It's possible that the scum all bussed Drac D1, even (Zombie, Rey, KAM)
So, I wanted to bring attention to this:
With how vehemently he denied it, it's possible Zombie's strategy was to bus two scum players and build his town cred that way. He voted for both Drac and Spidey early and stuck with them; on D3, he stuck with Spidey again, which tells me he was trying to sell the story of the unsung hero of the Costume Party when Spidey finally flipped.
If Spidey is not scum, I don't know who the two other scum could be. At this point, I'm not even sure where to start looking for a fourth scum if Spidey flips scum.
I'm feeling like my time to die is coming up, so I'll drop rankings from least scummy to most scummy from my point of view:
Bob Ross
Barney
Jack Sparrow
Cinderella
Prisoner
Minecraft Steve
Barack Obama
Rey
Kool-Aid Man
Spider-Man
VOTE: Zombie
Witch
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They as in scum team
Jack Sparrow
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The D3 spidey vote from Zombie is hella sus to me. Maybe they knew that both were town and like witch said that when spidey flipped scum they would’ve been like “haha I was right all this time”
Cinderella
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Vote: Zombie
Prisoner
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Sorry, didn't have internet until now, but it looks like the lunch is decided anyway.
I'll have to see who Zombie interacted with and what that tells us, but I'm not willing to just Town read Barney for being a Gossip.
It was a tie between me and Dracula and Zombie was two votes behind. Why would I vote Zombie in that situation?
How doesn't it fit the game? Do you know something we don't?
I'll have to see who Zombie interacted with and what that tells us, but I'm not willing to just Town read Barney for being a Gossip.
Kool-Aid Man
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I voted Zombie AND Dracula.
I had my votes on both of em.
Nice try though.
Dont make me laugh
Kool-Aid Man
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Vote: Zombie
Kool-Aid Man
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Prisoner
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You had your vote on Zombie for a whole 10 seconds.
Jack Sparrow
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Bob Ross
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From what we've seen flipped it doesn't fit for scum to have that kind of role.
Spider-Man
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shall I turbo
Spider-Man
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Nah I'd rather see a floundering zombie
Natiko
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Crowd: Damn, we are struggling here. We need to find out who is responsible for all these extra deaths!
Zombie: Hah, these fools are never going to figure it out! I'm going to enjoy killing them all.
Crowd: ...Uh, we can hear you...
Zombie: Erhm...
Zombie has died!
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Zombie: Hah, these fools are never going to figure it out! I'm going to enjoy killing them all.
Crowd: ...Uh, we can hear you...
Zombie: Erhm...
Zombie has died!
Night 4 Ends In:
Actions are due two hours before night ends.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
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Minecraft Steve
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Rest in Peace Witch, I'll go back through the game and see if we can find if Witch was able to determine any vanilla players.
I'm going along with the proposal from Barney and Bob Ross yesterday, I have been scum reading prisoner since day one,
Vote: Prisoner
I'm going along with the proposal from Barney and Bob Ross yesterday, I have been scum reading prisoner since day one,
Vote: Prisoner
Cinderella
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What's the case against Prisoner again?
I thinkl KAM looks a little shaky here too
I thinkl KAM looks a little shaky here too
Minecraft Steve
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Well I didn't Like Prisoner's posts on day 1. Barney and Bob Ross have a theory about Prisoner based on Dracula, zombie and the shenanigans with day 1 end.
Prisoner was largely not present yesterday in game, and didn't contribute a vote or even intent to vote on the confirmed scum player.
Kool-Aid Man
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What a shame about witch.
Was the only participan that I thought was town in my book :(
Was the only participan that I thought was town in my book :(
Minecraft Steve
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@Bob Ross, @Kool-Aid Man and @Barney
what do you three think about Prisoner today?
Any ideas on who would be the fourth scum player within their team? Cinderella, has been awfully defensive of Prisoner yesterday and today but was on Prisoner day 1. Rey? Rey was on Dracula day 1 but Bandwagoned with the rest of us days 2 and 3 and then DIDN'T even show up yesterday.
I'm pretty confident in Barack Obama being town because Spreadsheets,
Spiderman? take a look at Witch day 3 and 4, Witch was confident in something about spider-man, but whether it was a check or something else I don't know.
what do you three think about Prisoner today?
Any ideas on who would be the fourth scum player within their team? Cinderella, has been awfully defensive of Prisoner yesterday and today but was on Prisoner day 1. Rey? Rey was on Dracula day 1 but Bandwagoned with the rest of us days 2 and 3 and then DIDN'T even show up yesterday.
I'm pretty confident in Barack Obama being town because Spreadsheets,
Spiderman? take a look at Witch day 3 and 4, Witch was confident in something about spider-man, but whether it was a check or something else I don't know.
Barney
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I think Spider-Man is still heavily suspect, also not making a vote on Dracula or Zombie.
It's true that both Bob and KAM suggested me picking Witch as the new invitation, thankfully I chose someone else because I thought that scum was probably also thinking on killing witch, so I took a riskier choice.
It's true that both Bob and KAM suggested me picking Witch as the new invitation, thankfully I chose someone else because I thought that scum was probably also thinking on killing witch, so I took a riskier choice.
Prisoner
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So basically you got nothing.
As I said, I didn't have internet until almost 24 hours into the day phase. Not voting Zombie yesterday is about as NAI as it gets.
With Zombies flip, I feel much better about Barney, Witch and MC Steve.
While Barneys and Steves votes were late, it's plausible that they didn't see that the day had already ended and they would have been the deciding ones.
If Barney wanted to cause a tie as Scum, it would have been much saver voting me instead.
I think KAM comes off D1 looking the worst. His vote was the deciding one on Dracula, when it looked like Zombie may still overtake him. He also hasn't contributed anything meaningful since his Vig gambit.
Barney
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Honestly, if anything I feel like KAM wouldn't suggest witch if KAM knew witch was going to die. KAM could have added multiple choices, and Witch was not a choice I gave for targets.
Spider-Man
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So we're D5 already?!
[She/Her] Baby - Utc - Jailer
[He/Him] Banana - Utc - Vanilla
[-] Barack Obama - UTC
[He/Him] Barney - Utc - claimed town gossip, confirmed by Bob and Kool Aid
[He/Him] Bob Ross - Utc - claimed a role in the gossip chat
[She/Her] Cereal Killer|CK - Utc - Vanilla
[He/Him] Cinderella - UTC
[He/Him] Clown - Utc - weak cop
[She/Her] Daenerys Targaryen - Utc - vanilla
[He/Him] Dracula - Utc - goon
[He/Him] Jack Sparrow - UTC
[He/Him] Kool-Aid Man - UTC
[He/Him] Minecraft Steve - UTC
[He/Him] Prisoner - UTC
[He/Him] Rey - UTC
[-] Spider-Man - UTC
[He/Him] Witch - Utc - vanilla cop
[He/Him] Zombie - Utc - scum JOAT
Would anyone else like to claim any roles at this point?
I generally feel good about Bob and Barack. Barack has a very relaxed manner. Among the other players here is my ranking:
Town
Rey
Kool aid
Jack sparrow
Minecraft steve
Prisoner
Cinderella
Scum
Also question we may have discussed but I don't remember: on D1, why did Dracula not user his vote to attempt to save himself? He could have voted for prisoner and hoped for some other stray vote on him?
Also, looking at the Zombie D1 vote, it is almost pure. Only Jack is an unknown quantity. He did go pretty hard on Zombie D1 though, and was an early voter on him. I do feel kinda OK about him.
[She/Her] Baby - Utc - Jailer
[He/Him] Banana - Utc - Vanilla
[-] Barack Obama - UTC
[He/Him] Barney - Utc - claimed town gossip, confirmed by Bob and Kool Aid
[He/Him] Bob Ross - Utc - claimed a role in the gossip chat
[She/Her] Cereal Killer|CK - Utc - Vanilla
[He/Him] Cinderella - UTC
[He/Him] Clown - Utc - weak cop
[She/Her] Daenerys Targaryen - Utc - vanilla
[He/Him] Dracula - Utc - goon
[He/Him] Jack Sparrow - UTC
[He/Him] Kool-Aid Man - UTC
[He/Him] Minecraft Steve - UTC
[He/Him] Prisoner - UTC
[He/Him] Rey - UTC
[-] Spider-Man - UTC
[He/Him] Witch - Utc - vanilla cop
[He/Him] Zombie - Utc - scum JOAT
Would anyone else like to claim any roles at this point?
I generally feel good about Bob and Barack. Barack has a very relaxed manner. Among the other players here is my ranking:
Town
Rey
Kool aid
Jack sparrow
Minecraft steve
Prisoner
Cinderella
Scum
Also question we may have discussed but I don't remember: on D1, why did Dracula not user his vote to attempt to save himself? He could have voted for prisoner and hoped for some other stray vote on him?
Also, looking at the Zombie D1 vote, it is almost pure. Only Jack is an unknown quantity. He did go pretty hard on Zombie D1 though, and was an early voter on him. I do feel kinda OK about him.
Spider-Man
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^ just to remind everyone, Dracula left his vote on banana
Also, ducks that all the active players are gone. Guess I'm going to have to step out up but no promises.
Also, ducks that all the active players are gone. Guess I'm going to have to step out up but no promises.
Barney
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Dracula only left the vote on Bana because by the time Dracula left Banana had almost as many votes as Drak.
Barack Obama
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Really feels like wiping out the chatty players was the scum game plan, I’ll try to be more chatty this phase
Question to y’all; mass role claims, is now the time or should we wait another day?
Prisoner
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I think a mass role claim isn't necessary yet. We're at 10 players with 2 Scum left, so there's really no pressure to out any potential power roles we may still have.
Prisoner
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So these are the reads from Witch on D3 and D4. With Dracula flipping Goon a Vanilla result on his investigation would most likely be a confirmed Town. He had a strong Town read on Bob, Zombie and Baby on D3. Zombie and Baby both had a power role with only Bob being an unknown still. D4 top Town reads are Bob, Barney and Jack. Witch was also convinced he would be killed off soon here, so there may be hints in that list.
I think with how strongly he felt about Bob, there is a good chance he got a Vanilla result on him at some point. Jack may also be a candidate for only being in strong Town category since D4. On the other hand he had a strong Scum read on Spidey, though I'm not sure this means he got a PR result on him, since it's also highly likely that one of his results has died already.
Prisoner
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Zombie voted Spidey on D2, so that makes me feel a little better about him. I don't think Zombie would start bussing again so soon after they lunched one of their own.
This is after his vote on KAM on D3. It looks like he wanted to push for a quick lunch here.
Another vote on Spidey on D3.
With how Zombie pushed on the Spidey train I feel pretty confident he is Town. KAM also gets some Town points for that vote on D3.
PoE so far leaves Barack Obama, Cinderella and Rey to be investigated.
Barack Obama
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So I mentioned in passing that I could only see Barney as scum if he was a Joat (with gossip as one of his powers) now that we have two players verifying that Barney has added them to chat I feel pretty good about town reading Barney (unless he’s a neutral arson that’s slowly building up a chat full of people to burn !!!)
Barack Obama
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***also with zombie a confirmed joat
Rey
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Thats exactly what im trying to do, a tldr would help tho.
Rey
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I object.
I offer absolutely no argument other than i guess how voting for a wildcard is a potential abdication of responsibility for a lunch's results.
Minecraft Steve
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This is absolutely why we need to resolve Prisoner's alignment, I would feel a lot clearer about Cinderella after resolving Prisoner (Voted prisoner day 1, but has defended prisoner yesterday and today), which would in turn clear up Jack Sparrow (voted with Cinderella and zombie for Spider-man) and clarify spider-man. by that point we will have one more days worth of votes, along with defenses and theories.
I'm not defending rey, He could still be scum. However, I am defending my vote for prisoner and why that is the correct move today.
Prisoner
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Do you actually think I'm Scum or is this just an info lunch? What would me flipping Town tell you about Cinderella?
Minecraft Steve
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I think you are scum, if Day 1 was S v S v S, then cinderella's defense of you becomes more of a scum tell desperately trying to save one of their teammates.
I would bet my game on you being scum, I am that convinced.
Kool-Aid Man
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Would go also for either prisoner / Rey / jacksparrow / Cinderella
Kool-Aid Man
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Prisoner
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I'm not asking what me flipping Scum would tell you. If you lunch me and I flip Town you still got a ton of players who are basically blank slates and you can only afford 2 more mislunches.
Rey
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yeah sure that sounds like an excellent alternative, very smart good good.
Vote: Prisoner
top scum is prisoner, top town is me.
Jack Sparrow
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I would prefer either prisoner or spidey today rather than rey tbh. I think Rey is an option for the future though.
Spider-Man
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I kind of want to revise the reads I just posted, chalk it up to being in an early morning baby-brain fugue state. Rey is more null, prisoner is slightly town only because he does seem fairly engaged and it's not purely defensive even though he is the subject of the day. I would love to vote Cinderella today. Nothing he has done screams town to me.
VOTE: Cinderella
VOTE: Cinderella
Spider-Man
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Does anyone else have any guesses to Witches results? Did he breadcrumb much? I see Prisoner's guesses above.
Spider-Man
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The only thing I'm getting from a very quick skim of Witch is that Jack Sparrow is maaaaybe cleared.
Jack Sparrow
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Looking back on it Zombie voting for spidey D2 when there was a CK train does kind of make me feel better about spidey. The d3 thing is kind of weird but the d2 vote does not make much sense to me when they just bussed another scum mate d1 and CK was an option that day.
Spider-Man
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Prisoner
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On D3 Zombie came out of the gates with a vote for KAM. I think he wanted to utilize the momentum from KAMs vig gambit to get a quick lunch on him, which makes me lean Town on KAM at the moment.
Cinderella
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Asking what's the case for Prisoner is not defending them, it's quite literally asking why people are voting on them. You also mentioned that I voted Prisoner D1, how does that work if they're a scummate lol.
Jack Sparrow
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Can you quote specific messages from day 1 that you didn’t like? If Bob Ross and Barney have a theory on prisoner then why is bob Ross voting Rey today because they are a wild card?
I disagree with the notion that Obama is a town just because of spreadsheets. Do you have any more that makes you feel that they are town?
Minecraft Steve
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in regards to Obama, the spreadsheets town read was more of a funny jest to outline that they are the least towny of the my town read. I'll see if I can find the progression from day 1 on prisoner that led to my original vote, but my affirmation is based on how I feel about their alignment based on all of the days.
Jack Sparrow
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Fair enough about Obama.
Cinderella
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Could you clarify where I ‘vehemently’ defending Prisoner? Or was that a funny jest as well?
Minecraft Steve
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Unless I am forgetting posting something, the only person here that used the word "vehemently" was Witch yesterday. I believe that you have defended prisoner by deflecting interest. Maybe you aren't the same team, maybe you are just trying to understand where I/we are coming from with the prisoner vote. However, the way it reads to me though is you are trying to deflect interest but haven't presented alternate hypothesis (at least in the least on page 10 of 200 post count i.e. the last day and a half). This makes me believe you are doing it primarily to save Prisoner as opposed to disagreeing with my assessment that Prisoner is scum.
Barack Obama
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Minecraft Steve
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again, Prisoner is my scum read. and I think eliminating Prisoner clears up a lot of this game.
However, that is why I think you are tied to Prisoner.
However, that is why I think you are tied to Prisoner.
Jack Sparrow
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At the time I didn’t think anything of it but I’m not super familiar with mafia terminology so is it common for someone to say that when they aren’t scum and they mean just a regular vote? But zombie said the two threads look so similar so it isn’t out of the possibility that this is a slip...
Cinderella
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With my reads being shit this game and Scum slips being more out there than in any game I've ever remembered why the hell not
Vote: Rey
Vote: Rey