Scum Thread Evil League

[Hawthorn]

Geno, is my conquer command separate from my day attack? Can it be used in the same attack period as an attack action, like Kawl's was?

I won't use it today unless I'm about to be voted out, but if I am I might do as Malus did.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Geno, is my conquer command separate from my day attack? Can it be used in the same attack period as an attack action, like Kawl's was?

I won't use it today unless I'm about to be voted out, but if I am I might do as Malus did.

So I just realized it says it can’t be used on someone with only one territory. Womp womp.

I think it replaces your attack action for a phase, also

 

[Hawthorn]

So I just realized it says it can’t be used on someone with only one territory. Womp womp.

I think it replaces your attack action for a phase, also

Nuts!

 

[Geno]

Geno, is my conquer command separate from my day attack? Can it be used in the same attack period as an attack action, like Kawl's was?

I won't use it today unless I'm about to be voted out, but if I am I might do as Malus did.

Yup, you can use both

 

[Hawthorn]

At least I can weaken someone's troops if I go down.

 

[Hawthorn]

Actually I can't use on anyone who's adjacent to me except for Launch. Unless Kopite attacks me and I go to live with weemad...

But whatever, I probably won't even be voted out, this town is not actually that interested in punishing aggressive behavior

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Actually I can't use on anyone who's adjacent to me except for Launch. Unless Kopite attacks me and I go to live with weemad...

But whatever, I probably won't even be voted out, this town is not actually that interested in punishing aggressive behavior

Actually, you should absolutely use it on me if it goes down that way. It will just displace me to Indonesia and that’ll boost my cred if you flip scum.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Use it on Western Australia*

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

We’re all about the gambits today

 

[Hawthorn]

OK, I'm on board with that to be the plan if I get voted out!

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

OK, I'm on board with that to be the plan if I get voted out!

Of course, going to avoid that happening, but that’s plan B if it comes to it so we don’t need to coordinate later

 

[Hawthorn]

Totally, we're all about planning ahead and carefully thinking out maneuvers before executing them at the most well-timed moment

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Totally, we're all about planning ahead and carefully thinking out maneuvers before executing them at the most well-timed moment

Absolutely. 100%. Just the absolute tightest scum team.

 

[Natiko]

Definitely feels like we're going to lose due to the NK constraints at some point. Reminds me of Monopoly where their long range killer died early and Faddy had to tweak the rules mid-game to make sure scum could even perform a NK at a certain point lol

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Definitely feels like we're going to lose due to the NK constraints at some point. Reminds me of Monopoly where their long range killer died early and Faddy had to tweak the rules mid-game to make sure scum could even perform a NK at a certain point lol

Yikes. That might be why we have a few different options for that. That said, we need to avoid flipping both Hawthorn and me.

You know, there’s probably a cop out there with a green check on me by now. I think it might be Hedin, but I’m not sure.

 

[Natiko]

You would be the sensible cop target after D1

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Actually probably not Hedin, didn’t see his post where he put me in the middle. Will need to look at who suddenly changed opinions on me at day start.

 

[Geno]

The night kill mechanics will not be revealed on the flip

 

[Natiko]

The night kill mechanics will not be revealed on the flip

Will it be redacted (e.g. clear that something was held back) or simply absent?

 

[Natiko]

Oh but wait - won't the long range kill/territory bonus give it away anyways? Not pestering you Geno, just a thought I had. I wasn't even trying to push for any changes. If we lose, we lose lol

 

[Geno]

Will it be redacted (e.g. clear that something was held back) or simply absent?

Simply absent

 

[Geno]

Oh but wait - won't the long range kill/territory bonus give it away anyways? Not pestering you Geno, just a thought I had. I wasn't even trying to push for any changes. If we lose, we lose lol

I'll hide anything pointing to kill mechanics. Be it bonuses or otherwise

 

[Natiko]

Got it, thanks Geno. Might give us a little breathing room at least, though town my eventually deduce it. I'll take what I can get lol

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

oh that's nice. Yeah, we can make it work, then. It'll take them quite some time to deduce it, I think.

 

[Hawthorn]

That rocks!! Thank you Geno!

 

[Hawthorn]

I wonder if I could switch to Fanto

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I think Terra actually wants me gone lmao dammit

 

[Terraforce]

Got some breathing room then. Nice. Cutting it rather close with this vote. Half of me almost wanted to see if I could hit EoD without voting Launch to tilt the scales in our favor, but I can't for consistency's sake.

 

[Terraforce]

I think Terra actually wants me gone lmao dammit

LOL I'm sorry. It'd look pretty scummy for me to scumread you so hard then dodge your lynch at the end of the day. Especially if you end up flipping, then it would especially look bad.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I might move to Kopite to seal it at day end. Christ, two scary ass day ends now for me.

 

[Terraforce]

Oh god everyone keeps jumping around with the votes lol. Launch should be fine.

 

[Hawthorn]

I can't get off the nin train now, people have joined, just have to pray that it gets larger lol. Everything's shrouded in mystery with the vote tool down. hang in there launch!

 

[Terraforce]

DOC CLAIM LOOOOL

 

[Terraforce]

And he didn't even use his ability last night lmaooooo

Town is really playing this game for us so far.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Christ lmao thank you Kopite

 

[Terraforce]

RIP We almost had em. That day extension might be the end of us.

 

[Hawthorn]

This is bananas

 

[Geno]

Ofc vote tool works 1 min before day end.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

fuuuuck

 

[Terraforce]

Alright I really have to go soon so it'll probably be best if I AFK. Good luck. Although one of us is almost certainly dead. Sorry Launch but I'm partial to you for my cred's sake

 

[Hawthorn]

Still on board for attack on Western Australia if it's me?

 

[Geno]

To be fair Kopite lost votes even before the extension

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Still on board for attack on Western Australia if it's me?

Absolutely.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

To be fair Kopite lost votes even before the extension

You are correct. I was very close to going over there phew

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

RIP

good luck team

 

[Hawthorn]

Sorry Launchpad! I'll miss you on the team!

 

[Hawthorn]

Well, there's still time for shenanigans!

 

[Hawthorn]

Might end up being me after all, after that self-sacrifice, lol

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Jman is going to be devastated when I flip

 

[Hawthorn]

This will be the second time you've betrayed jman..

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

so close to getting Fanto. I think we're within a vote or two

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I think Fanto is ahead like Geno said. By one or two votes, not sure.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

 

[Hawthorn]

I so so hope that Kyanrute's count is right

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I so so hope that Kyanrute's count is right

I think it is. Geno said Fanto was ahead and the votes haven't changed.

 

[Hawthorn]

Oh man, fingers crossed hard, I think it might actually be day end now??

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

my heart

 

[Hawthorn]

YES!!!!!

 

[Natiko]

Launch just gonna keep getting bussed and living huh lol

 

[Natiko]

Wasn't joking about work stuff though. It's super fucked so I might have to abandon you all. The chances my participation is going to get better are nil, if it won't get dramatically worse I'll try and stick it out if you all want.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

so we killing Kopite? dollars to donuts that he can't protect himself

Launch just gonna keep getting bussed and living huh lol

you sound disappointed

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Wasn't joking about work stuff though. It's super fucked so I might have to abandon you all. The chances my participation is going to get better are nil, if it won't get dramatically worse I'll try and stick it out if you all want.

That's a bummer. I think you should make the call, if you think it's going to keep you from doing as good as you have (you seem top town read by most).

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Is this game going to take the record for most scum subs? lol

 

[Hawthorn]

I hope there's not some upset when Geno counts, LOL.

Natiko, totally understandable about work stuff. Speaking as a fairly inactive player I think your level of participation right now is great, but maybe you're holding it to a higher standard. All up to you.

Kopite is in the perfect position to throw suspicion on me or launchpad. but can we afford to let him live??

 

[Natiko]

If my participation won’t get noticeably worse I’ll try and stick it out for you all. o7

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Kopite is in the perfect position to throw suspicion on me or launchpad. but can we afford to let him live??

My out is that I'm going to be setting a trap, so I couldn't have done it since I can only do one thing per night. We would create major WIFOM by killing there, because it was two players that were in the hotseat yesterday.

We wouldn't have to use Stan's ability either because the watcher is dead.

 

[Hawthorn]

One of us would also face pressure to attack puppetmon. Ooh, or we could have puppetmon attack one of us!

 

[Hawthorn]

If my participation won’t get noticeably worse I’ll try and stick it out for you all. o7

:-D

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

If my participation won’t get noticeably worse I’ll try and stick it out for you all. o7

o7

I was looking bad and Chuggs only having two shots makes me think 1) Kopite probably only has two shots, and 2) the alignment investigator has 2 shots. I’m hoping they checked me and come forward tomorrow

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Hahahaha fanto’s flip, that’s amazing

 

[Hawthorn]

LOL, that role!!

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Oh right. We can bank on Kopite not being able to protect himself and kill him, or we can roleblock him too just to be sure

With this many rules, it’s so easy to forget things lol

 

[Natiko]

We 100% block him if we’re killing him imo

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Do you think there’s a watcher and a tracker in this game? It’s been bugging me about Terra’s role. I would guess just one, but maybe it is one of each. Either way, I would’ve expected Kopite to get watched tonight, but Chuggs is dead. They’d have to gamble on who they think will put in the kill command instead.

In which case, odds may be higher that Hawthorn does get tracked since she was close to getting voted out? Maybe we should use Stan’s ability, then?

 

[Natiko]

I don’t think we can afford to use Stan’s ability on a player next to any of us. It might be the only long range kill we ever get again.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I don’t think we can afford to use Stan’s ability on a player next to any of us. It might be the only long range kill we ever get again.

That is true.

Alternate approach: since Kopite is useless if we roleblock, we block him tonight and Hawthorn kills someone else. If a tracker comes forward, she fake claims. If the alignment cop hits her tonight, she’s toast though, but that’s true no matter what we do.

 

[Geno]

I just hope I won't have to modkill any players that replace out, totally understandable if you want out though Natiko, it's insanely hard to keep up with this game. I doubt this will pass hvv2 but it's still a ton of posts.

 

[Hawthorn]

I don't have my distance kill anymore, so I can only kill Kopite. I'm up for doing! Or, if someone else does the kill, I can investigate Jman

 

[Hawthorn]

I will say, I could never keep up with this game if I weren't working from home

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I don't have my distance kill anymore, so I can only kill Kopite. I'm up for doing! Or, if someone else does the kill, I can investigate Jman

Oh dang I didn’t realize the unally went through

Yeah investigate jman. I’ll throw out some kill options when I look at the map

 

[Hawthorn]

Oh dang I didn’t realize the unally went through

Yeah investigate jman. I’ll throw out some kill options when I look at the map

It didn't, but weemad moved out of Ukraine :-(

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Oh dang I didn’t realize the unally went through

Yeah investigate jman. I’ll throw out some kill options when I look at the map

that wee had left Ukraine*. So much stuff happening, I forgot.

One path forward here is Terra killing Kyanrute and me working my way up to China to get my bonus in a few phases, though I think that only pans out if I get green checked and live long enough to get up there. And hopefully Kyanrute isn't actually the cop.

That said, I don't think Jman is the alignment cop or the tracker, either, so maybe we can go without knowing what his role is yet. We know Kopite is the doctor, and that's probably the only protection town has; we will have to roleblock him twice in a row if we go after someone else and kill him N3. So, maybe it is for the best that Hawthorn kill Kopite.

Here are my two suggested action sets in order of preference:

Set 1
Hawthorne: Faction kill Kopite
Launchpad: Trap Y, Indonesia
Natiko: Roleblock Y, Kopite
Stan: Regular Attack N
Terra: Regular Attack N

Set 2
Hawthorne: Investigate Jman
Launchpad: Trap Y, Indonesia
Natiko: Roleblock Y, Kopite
Stan: Regular Attack N
Terra: Regular Attack N

 

[Natiko]

What non-Kopite kills would we entertain?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Here are all the options based on our positioning, bolded are the ones I would entertain:

• Hawthorn
  • Kopite - doc, obvious choice. We will need to strap in for a social fight if we do this, but it would pay off huge if we pull it off.
• Natiko
  • Kalor - generally townread; hasn't made many waves
  • Kawl - generally townread; hasn't made many waves
• Terra
  • Kyanrute - generally townread; removes one more obstacle to China
  • Verelios - generally townread; he's been playing a generally good game so far, so I am wary of keeping him around too long
  • Weemadarthur - has enough suspicion to warrant not killing
  • Jman - has enough suspicion to warrant not killing
• Stan
  • MrHedin - mixed reads, but placement on the map is kind of awful.

 

[Natiko]

I feel like I need to see an updated map to decide my thoughts

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Correction, Kalor has his general too far:

• Hawthorn
  • Kopite - doc, obvious choice. We will need to strap in for a social fight if we do this, but it would pay off huge if we pull it off.
• Natiko
  • Kawl - generally townread; hasn't made many waves
• Terra
  • Kyanrute - generally townread; removes one more obstacle to China
  • Verelios - generally townread; he's been playing a generally good game so far, so I am wary of keeping him around too long
  • Weemadarthur - has enough suspicion to warrant not killing
• Stan
  • MrHedin - mixed reads, but placement on the map is kind of awful.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Correction, Kalor has his general too far:

• Hawthorn
  • Kopite - doc, obvious choice. We will need to strap in for a social fight if we do this, but it would pay off huge if we pull it off.
• Natiko
  • Kawl - generally townread; hasn't made many waves
• Terra
  • Kyanrute - generally townread; removes one more obstacle to China
  • Verelios - generally townread; he's been playing a generally good game so far, so I am wary of keeping him around too long
  • Weemadarthur - has enough suspicion to warrant not killing
• Stan
  • MrHedin - mixed reads, but placement on the map is kind of awful.

And Jman. Dang phone.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I feel like I need to see an updated map to decide my thoughts

Geno just posted it. Wee is out of reach, as well.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I’ve come to the conclusion that we absolutely need to start doing night attacks. At the very least Terra needs to to create a foothold in other locations

 

[Natiko]

This is every possible attack we have minus the long range from Stan:

• Launch
  • Kopiite
  • Blarg
• Hawthorn
  • Kopite
• Natiko
  • Tearable
• Terra
  • Kyanrute
  • Verelios
• Stan
  • MrHedin

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Not using the update map bungled my whole list lol my bad

 

[Hawthorn]

If I kill Kopite, Launchpad and I will both look pretty suspicious, which is ok, but I feel like we'll also have to vote for each other/accuse each other of having done the kill, just because that would've been the natural reaction based on today's events. So if possible some of the rest of us should float the theory that the scum kill is unconnected to adjacency and Kopite was the perfect target because not only did he claim doctor, he was adjacent to two highly suspicious players & therefore it would be easy to frame a townie, mafia would never be so brazen as to kill Kopite if they had to kill someone adjacent. Potentially I could see this getting some traction.

I think if we decide to do the more cautious route Verelios should be the kill, as he's the best combo of an inquisitive town player & strategically located. Also Terra doesn't have much suspicion so far.

I agree that we might have to use some of the night attacks. Attacking was a bit more normalized today.

 

[Hawthorn]

To be clear, I'm not against the Kopite plan, I'm all for it, just thinking things through!

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

If I kill Kopite, Launchpad and I will both look pretty suspicious, which is ok, but I feel like we'll also have to vote for each other/accuse each other of having done the kill, just because that would've been the natural reaction based on today's events. So if possible some of the rest of us should float the theory that the scum kill is unconnected to adjacency and Kopite was the perfect target because not only did he claim doctor, he was adjacent to two highly suspicious players & therefore it would be easy to frame a townie, mafia would never be so brazen as to kill Kopite if they had to kill someone adjacent. Potentially I could see this getting some traction.

I think if we decide to do the more cautious route Verelios should be the kill, as he's the best combo of an inquisitive town player & strategically located. Also Terra doesn't have much suspicion so far.

I agree that we might have to use some of the night attacks. Attacking was a bit more normalized today.

I think we can definitely ride that WIFOM of there’s no way we would kill Kopite when we’re stuck to being adjacent to others. I’ll turn my attention back to you momentarily, but I also don’t think the case that it needs to be adjacent is very strong; we can pick that part and throw shade on it. Even if I was town, I would be very cautious if there was an obvious solution to a problem like that. Kopite is literally in the most truncated position other than Hedin.

Verelios is a good choice as well, but that puts it down to Terra and Jman as suspects. That’s a tough one.

 

[Natiko]

I feel like if we want to kill someone for right now we shouldn’t worry about the proximity thing. If town comes up with that theory let them chase around looking for who killed Chugg, and then Stan can use his long range to throw them off later again.

 

[Stantastic]

right sorry for not chiming in earlier, Sleep plus D&D makes me a lousy scum partner.
also the fact that i have basically nothing to add to the conversation.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

right sorry for not chiming in earlier, Sleep plus D&D makes me a lousy scum partner.
also the fact that i have basically nothing to add to the conversation.

Any preference on a kill target?

 

[Hawthorn]

Continuing to think over the plan if we kill Kopite, I think that we should not have puppetmon attack. One of us can attack & kill puppetmon, gaining town cred and also eastern australia for ourselves. If it's Launchpad Natiko will get his bonus through the alliance, but reading over I'm not sure how useful that bonus is if Natiko's not in Oceania himself?

In the unlikely event I would be caught visiting Kopite, thinking I would claim the role cop part of my role & that I wanted to confirm the doctor claim. Could say I saved it night 1, or that I confirmed launchpad, or that I checked jman but don't want to say his role name in the thread in case mafia overhear.

Stan & Terra, do you want to use your night attacks? Could see the arguments either way.

I'm thinking I will act slightly chastened when the day opens, like I now realize that my move didn't fully make sense & I was just trying to do something creative as a new player. The precedent has now been set that people will engage in acts of aggression, get their wrists slapped, say they're sorry, and the town moves on. The only exception is Poltergust, now revealed to be town, so I think they'll be careful about punishing aggression too harshly from now on. I expect to see more day attacks forthcoming.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Continuing to think over the plan if we kill Kopite, I think that we should not have puppetmon attack. One of us can attack & kill puppetmon, gaining town cred and also eastern australia for ourselves. If it's Launchpad Natiko will get his bonus through the alliance, but reading over I'm not sure how useful that bonus is if Natiko's not in Oceania himself?

In the unlikely event I would be caught visiting Kopite, thinking I would claim the role cop part of my role & that I wanted to confirm the doctor claim. Could say I saved it night 1, or that I confirmed launchpad, or that I checked jman but don't want to say his role name in the thread in case mafia overhear.

Stan & Terra, do you want to use your night attacks? Could see the arguments either way.

I'm thinking I will act slightly chastened when the day opens, like I now realize that my move didn't fully make sense & I was just trying to do something creative as a new player. The precedent has now been set that people will engage in acts of aggression, get their wrists slapped, say they're sorry, and the town moves on. The only exception is Poltergust, now revealed to be town, so I think they'll be careful about punishing aggression too harshly from now on. I expect to see more day attacks forthcoming.

I agree with most of what you said there.

The fake claim might be hard to sell, but we could certainly try with Kopite and me. Make sure you use the role name I posted in thread, 2-shot Trap Setter. You did not get a flavor name back. I wouldn’t try to do this to Jman, he will challenge you to say it in the thread.

 

[Hawthorn]

I agree with most of what you said there.

The fake claim might be hard to sell, but we could certainly try with Kopite and me. Make sure you use the role name I posted in thread, 2-shot Trap Setter. You did not get a flavor name back. I wouldn’t try to do this to Jman, he will challenge you to say it in the thread.

Yeah, I would only plan to do that if caught visiting Kopite. You instead of jman is probably the more sensible plan!