Scum Thread Ouma Chat

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Now more than ever you can paint yourself as town VA if you claim the power. Blarg is the lynch tomorrow, but you can save the day with your power and offer town an out.
Sort of a, "hey, we can have TWO lunches if we want," scenario to town? I like where your head is at. I think I'll activate it first, then tell people why the beginning of the day just in case someone has a way to RB me.
 
Yeah we can definitely sell this as a good thing now. It allows town to flip blarg and still "play mafia" lol

Otherwise d2 just becomes a waste for town. This is definitely a good turn of events for us.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Sort of a, "hey, we can have TWO lunches if we want," scenario to town? I like where your head is at. I think I'll activate it first, then tell people why the beginning of the day just in case someone has a way to RB me.

Yeah. "I thought it would be a shame if we had to waste the day hammering Blarg so I used my power so we can get a normal-ish lynch in as well." The only WIFOM that can be played against you is the other-scum-team card but that won't work for multiple days. If things go well, the other team might even NK you at some point!
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Since we know that Fanto's upgrade just enhanced her existing powers, we can make guesses about our upgrades as well.

I likely get a third upgrade shot and something else as well. Likely something for the vigi shot, but I don't know what exactly. Ninja vigi?
ATP gets a third disable shot and...a ninja bite?
VA gets 100% ITA shots and maybe a second split.
I have no idea what Fando would get. +1 immunity and something for Cannoneer?
OJ's upgrade is hard to guess as well. RB needs no mods since it is so high in prio and switcher is almost the same. If OJ doesn't gain a new power, I think his upgrade lets him switch people beyond the grave.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Night actions are problematic.

ATP kills or disables. Both options can eventually be traced back to him since Oceania got locked. If he kills, we might be able to blame it on Blarg or on other scum in Oceania. No guarantees though.

OJ's issue is the number of targets. Block is a anti-town action so if either of Muffin or Terra can tell that they got blocked, the shortlist for the culprit is very short. Switching Terra and Muffin seems very random to me. While this seems to lead toward the idea that OJ should put in the kill, that's a bad idea if one of Terra and Muffin targets him.

Then we have the South American mess. VA splits, no questions asked. I don't think we store a kill so Fando should redirect someone to something else. Fando could kill as well in the extreme case. I boost VA and Fando I think. Come tomorrow I think our position will be, from best to worst, VA > OJ > ATP > Fando > me. I think you all live longer than I will so you should get the extra goodies. I also am a Godfather so technically I shouldn't need the extra tools to survive, I just need a cop to save me.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Or ATP could try to steal an item from Razmos. 25% chance. That might even be the move, didn't Raz scum read you? Delaying him would help you, RBing him would be wonderful, BP kill is nice and getting his item could help us as well.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Night actions are problematic.

ATP kills or disables. Both options can eventually be traced back to him since Oceania got locked. If he kills, we might be able to blame it on Blarg or on other scum in Oceania. No guarantees though.

OJ's issue is the number of targets. Block is a anti-town action so if either of Muffin or Terra can tell that they got blocked, the shortlist for the culprit is very short. Switching Terra and Muffin seems very random to me. While this seems to lead toward the idea that OJ should put in the kill, that's a bad idea if one of Terra and Muffin targets him.

Then we have the South American mess. VA splits, no questions asked. I don't think we store a kill so Fando should redirect someone to something else. Fando could kill as well in the extreme case. I boost VA and Fando I think. Come tomorrow I think our position will be, from best to worst, VA > OJ > ATP > Fando > me. I think you all live longer than I will so you should get the extra goodies. I also am a Godfather so technically I shouldn't need the extra tools to survive, I just need a cop to save me.
If it changes anything, I believe Fando can store a kill and use an ability. And if continents keep disappearing, at some point it gets harder and harder to pinpoint as we're all smushed together more.
 
I have never seen a scum override, but if someone can pull that role off its Geno. But seriously, I have no idea why Blarg would do that, as scum or otherwise. I guess we’ll find out after he gets lynched.

VA role makes total sense from a town perspective now, so I definitely think you should claim it. It will add a lot of confusion and also some thread points for some time.

I’ll look at the thread to confirm my take on our night actions, but I think we should consider holding our kills considering the locked box on Oceania. We should consider other, probably shot limited, killing roles. If someone vigs Blarg and ATP does the NK, for example, that would look very bad for him. Without Oceania, next phase will (probably) end more tidy for us.
 
@Geno, how does the continent mechanic affect my bus drive (Redirector) and OJ’s switch? Both targets need to be on our continent?

Also, how are we dealing with the Left and Right Labyrinth? We got Kyan+ATP at Left and VA on Right so far. We’re at 5 so we’re going to be assymetrical anyway, but I think 4x1 would be weird enough to avoid any suspicion on our split if this ends up being a important mechanic.
 

Isaac

Oh, yeah!
Sorry I was out for a long while, I caught up but I'm still not sure what happened or what is happening
 

Isaac

Oh, yeah!
Maybe Blarg's role is like mine? If he gets lynched then he wins or gets a power like mine which works the entire game? Not sure why he'd do that to Fanto though
 
Maybe Blarg's role is like mine? If he gets lynched then he wins or gets a power like mine which works the entire game? Not sure why he'd do that to Fanto though
I guess he could be baiting something, but I don’t think we’d have two jesters since that would really hurt your role as a fake one.
 
@Geno, how does the continent mechanic affect my bus drive (Redirector) and OJ’s switch? Both targets need to be on our continent?

Also, how are we dealing with the Left and Right Labyrinth? We got Kyan+ATP at Left and VA on Right so far. We’re at 5 so we’re going to be assymetrical anyway, but I think 4x1 would be weird enough to avoid any suspicion on our split if this ends up being a important mechanic.
You can do it on 2 people of your continent.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
@Geno You fine with us posting the commands here?

I am not so sure about stocking the kill. We can't be sure that we get a better position tomorrow. What do we gain from holding the shot, what's the action and the goal for the action that we take instead? I think OJ can't do anything tonight. ATP shouldn't do the kill, that lock just leaves a huge trail that will eventually lead back to him. I should upgrade and VA should split so I think the NK falls on Fando.

I think the choice is between NK and redirect. I can accept the redirect idea, if that's the thing you all want. I think it can backfire since we'd be moving an unknown action and kill is a kill. But we do have three people on the same continent, the chances for one of us getting hit by something are good. The biggest self-own we could do is that we redirect the cop away from me but I think that's the sole thing that we'd like to let go through. But if we are worried about checks and other nonsense in SA, we can just kill someone in there. Dead people tell no tales.
 
The redirect would be used in conjunction with stocking the kill. Geno said if we use cannoneer fando can use another ability as well.

But I'm happy with whatever. Who are we thinking of killing?
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
wee / Faddy / Terra? Somewhat town-read independent thinkers. None of them are in SA though so maybe we are better off stocking the kill and just redirecting. Killing someone in SA is such a weak move. I think you have my hesitant approval for the stocking.
 
Here is the map and a list to help us on this.

South America (Kyan, VA and Fando)
Brazil
Stu
Stan

Africa (Oliver)
Terra
Muffin

Oceania (ATP)
Chuggs
nin
Fran
Razmos
Luxcommander
Maol
Blarg

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wee / Faddy / Terra? Somewhat town-read independent thinkers. None of them are in SA though so maybe we are better off stocking the kill and just redirecting. Killing someone in SA is such a weak move. I think you have my hesitant approval for the stocking.
I’d also add Launch and Vere to the list, but they are out of reach this night. I don’t think OJ should kill Terra alone with Muffin at Africa, so out of the available targets I think Chuggs could be the better option.

You can do it on 2 people of your continent.
But can I make Brazil (SA) target Muffin (Africa), for example? I’m thinking that would force a whiff on whatever role he has.
 
Kills aren't continent-restricted (sans the Oceania thing) so we can kill anyone we want.
Oh, I read that but was second guessing that from our lasts posts. Well, that changes things a bit. I think I can do a NK on wee/Launch or Faddy, yeah. None of us are there and town doesn’t know that NK aren’t continent restricted so far, so that could distract them for a bit.
 
Worst case scenario he gets tracked doing it, but him getting lynched wouldn’t be too bad after all, even if town doubt his flip.
 
I’d also add Launch and Vere to the list, but they are out of reach this night. I don’t think OJ should kill Terra alone with Muffin at Africa, so out of the available targets I think Chuggs could be the better option.


But can I make Brazil (SA) target Muffin (Africa), for example? I’m thinking that would force a whiff on whatever role he has.
That's not possible no.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
OJ getting lynched is still -1 scum. It is hella risky for OJ to do anything tonight, but on the other hand doing nothing does not protect him against cop checks. I think I'd reduce the shortlist to Launch / Faddy if Terra is a no-no. Launch is a ok kill, but he's been looking away from us. He might be better left alive so he makes noise that keeps the discussion away from us. Vere's death might lead to my death.

I use the Triforce Piece, I hope this isn't a massive self-own:

Werefox Whisper: Fandorin
Werefox Whisper: Vincent Alexander
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
I don't think Fando dies tomorrow though. Stock + redirect ??? gets my vote. It might be a bad idea to redirect Stu, as we know he is a mason. I doubt Geno would give a mason investigative powers, since that way they could just learn something about their partner with ease. The other three possibilities are complete unknowns to me.
 
I’ve barely played D1; I’ll be more active from now on since I’m not playing exclusively on mobile anymore due to RL reasons. But yeah, I don’t think I’m at immediate risk tomorrow so I can agree on restock.

I don’t think I understood why OJ doing the NK would be especially risky this phase, but doing the restock is definitely the safer option. I’m also getting boosted, so maybe we can get something else out of it next phase.
 
I guess I could be immune to Stu since Dante is sorta a sword user? Not sure I want to bet on that though. I think we can redirect someone to Stu and see if/how he reacts to it with VA on their chat.
 
Any character who even remotely uses swords you are immune to, main weapon/side weapon it doesn't matter. If Dante were in the game you'd be immune to his actions.
 
I wouldn't mind killing faddy if it was between him and launch, but I'm not opposed to killing terra completely, faddy is the only one to have put me on a list of players he doesn't mind lynching on day 1.
 
Any character who even remotely uses swords you are immune to, main weapon/side weapon it doesn't matter. If Dante were in the game you'd be immune to his actions.
Oh, nice. Didn’t expect further info on this. Redirecting Stu to me could be an option then.

Also is the plan for me to use my bite on razmos?
I think that could work. Or using the item disable on someone more prone to sticking till late game - Fran, nin or Chuggs.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Yamato Strike

If we don't store up the kill, I'm always a fan of killing the calm, collected voices who keep town on track and who cut through the bullshit. I'm not very worried about if someone has me on their list so much as I want to disrupt their overall coherency.
 
Yamato Strike

If we don't store up the kill, I'm always a fan of killing the calm, collected voices who keep town on track and who cut through the bullshit. I'm not very worried about if someone has me on their list so much as I want to disrupt their overall coherency.
Just so that we’re on the same page, are you claiming the split, VA? You can gauge Stu’s reaction first if you’d like, but I think you’re safe for doing it now.

If so, I think its important that we are all careful around how we react to it. Trusting the claim is NAI, but rushing to post about it could make some links between us.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Just so that we’re on the same page, are you claiming the split, VA? You can gauge Stu’s reaction first if you’d like, but I think you’re safe for doing it now.

If so, I think its important that we are all careful around how we react to it. Trusting the claim is NAI, but rushing to post about it could make some links between us.
Yes, I'm going to claim it. And agreed---I'd mostly hover around the claim if I were all of you. See how others respond. If folks get into a deep debate about whether it is alignment indicative, maybe then feel free to jump in? But if it starts going downhill for me, I wouldn't worry about it. Don't feel the need to come to my defense. Also, I let Stu know what I could do and asked his opinion on whether I should do it. It was a bit of a risk, but Blarg set us up perfectly, so I felt comfortable in the response. Stu said it was worth it to use the power tonight. So, he very well could speak up in defense of the action if needed.
 
So should I bite or use the item disabler? I guess using the item disabler early might be best, presumably once they've been upgraded it won't undo it, it will just stop players doing it in the future
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
To be honest: the continent part of this game makes using abilities risky as hell. As the game progresses, it becomes easier and easier to narrow down who was scum. If you use an ability, we have to NK people outside of Oceania for a large chunk of the game. If those who are there start to die, and no one turns up scum, it narrows you down more and more. As crazy as it sounds....I almost feel like you should do neither ability tonight. I know that's boring, but we should reserve them for when we really need them. For now, I think about weighing the pros and cons.

Pro:
  • it's fun to use abilities.
  • It potentially shuts someone down, or steals an item from them, etc.
  • Scum might have locked town here to make it less obvious who used an ability tonight. If so, something is going to go down tonight there anyway that might draw attention to the select group, in which case you can consider joining in since a light will already come down on all of you.
Cons:
  • The town's strongest ability is Vote/Lunch. We can only stop that by NK'ing. Your abilities you're considering using aren't kills. So, is the tradeoff of any of your abilities right now worth the risk that town will be able to narrow you down as the game progresses and players drop?
  • When we talk about a light already being on your group, that light doesn't hide you as well if you use something unique like bite. I'm confident the bitten players will be informed, so town will be on the lookout for a vampire. They MIGHT even start freaking out a vampire is part of a cult mechanic, and really hyper-focus on finding you because I swear Era players are paranoid as fuck about cult mechanics lately (I must have missed a game where something terrible happened?). We don't want to lose focus on Blarg, Maol, Ynnek, and whomever else was involved in the shitshow last night. Even if town does flip scum at Oceania, they won't stop looking for you because they know they are looking specifically for a vampire.

That's my long ramble. In the end...I would use an ability, ATP. What are your thoughts?
 
To be honest: the continent part of this game makes using abilities risky as hell. As the game progresses, it becomes easier and easier to narrow down who was scum. If you use an ability, we have to NK people outside of Oceania for a large chunk of the game. If those who are there start to die, and no one turns up scum, it narrows you down more and more. As crazy as it sounds....I almost feel like you should do neither ability tonight. I know that's boring, but we should reserve them for when we really need them. For now, I think about weighing the pros and cons.

Pro:
  • it's fun to use abilities.
  • It potentially shuts someone down, or steals an item from them, etc.
  • Scum might have locked town here to make it less obvious who used an ability tonight. If so, something is going to go down tonight there anyway that might draw attention to the select group, in which case you can consider joining in since a light will already come down on all of you.
Cons:
  • The town's strongest ability is Vote/Lunch. We can only stop that by NK'ing. Your abilities you're considering using aren't kills. So, is the tradeoff of any of your abilities right now worth the risk that town will be able to narrow you down as the game progresses and players drop?
  • When we talk about a light already being on your group, that light doesn't hide you as well if you use something unique like bite. I'm confident the bitten players will be informed, so town will be on the lookout for a vampire. They MIGHT even start freaking out a vampire is part of a cult mechanic, and really hyper-focus on finding you because I swear Era players are paranoid as fuck about cult mechanics lately (I must have missed a game where something terrible happened?). We don't want to lose focus on Blarg, Maol, Ynnek, and whomever else was involved in the shitshow last night. Even if town does flip scum at Oceania, they won't stop looking for you because they know they are looking specifically for a vampire.

That's my long ramble. In the end...I would use an ability, ATP. What are your thoughts?

I'm really not sure, being locked in Oceania really sucks lol. Ultimately though I'm happy to do whatever we decide is best for us a whole if I get caught i get caught.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
I'm really not sure, being locked in Oceania really sucks lol. Ultimately though I'm happy to do whatever we decide is best for us a whole if I get caught i get caught.
I mostly don't want you caught because I think you do a really great job of blending in as a townie who is scum hunting, and people listen to you. You're an asset to the team. Once I use this ability tonight, I've got nothing else going for me.
 
I mostly don't want you caught because I think you do a really great job of blending in as a townie who is scum hunting, and people listen to you. You're an asset to the team. Once I use this ability tonight, I've got nothing else going for me.

You and Kyan have used your night actions already?

We need to decide what me, fando and Oliver are doing.

Did we decide fando would use cannoneer and redirect?

Whats Oliver going to do?
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Stu just revealed to me he used an ability last night: everyone gets a 5% ITA shot apart from Stu, who gets a 50%. I'm going to pull some details out of him.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
You and Kyan have used your night actions already?

We need to decide what me, fando and Oliver are doing.

Did we decide fando would use cannoneer and redirect?

Whats Oliver going to do?
I used Yamato Strike to split the room into 2.
Kyan used the Tri-Force, allowing him to use all X-shot abilities in single go. He then used his werefox ability to buff up Fandorin and myself so we unlock whatever powers we would normally unlock with our items.

I don't think we've come to a complete conclusion on the rest, though I have no strong feelings---outside of you just hanging tight and being safe :)
 
I used Yamato Strike to split the room into 2.
Kyan used the Tri-Force, allowing him to use all X-shot abilities in single go. He then used his werefox ability to buff up Fandorin and myself so we unlock whatever powers we would normally unlock with our items.

I don't think we've come to a complete conclusion on the rest, though I have no strong feelings---outside of you just hanging tight and being safe :)

So what is Oliver doing?
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Dynamite. I'm going to step away for a bit. I'll be back before things lock to see if anything shakes up.

And ATP: while I've said what I think you should do tonight, at the end of the day it's a game and we're here to have fun, so don't feel like you have to do X, Y, or Z. Just have a good time---I'll have fun whether we win or not.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
I don’t think I understood why OJ doing the NK would be especially risky this phase

There's three people in Africa. If either of Terra or Muffin have investigative abilities, there is a 50/50 chance that they check OJ. If he does nothing, he only gets caught on alignment checks and such. If he does the kill, he gets caught by trackers too.
 
I’m here guys, forgot day start was so soon but I’m here for commands.

I guess there’s no command for Cannoner but just to be fun.

CANNONER
 
There's three people in Africa. If either of Terra or Muffin have investigative abilities, there is a 50/50 chance that they check OJ. If he does nothing, he only gets caught on alignment checks and such. If he does the kill, he gets caught by trackers too.
Yeah, you’re right that the odds of a tracker on him due to lack of targets are bigger after all.

Let’s stock the kill then and hope for the best tomorrow.
 
I think Oliver is safer just not doing anything this phase for the reasons Kyan said. Africa has too little players and we don’t know that we’d gain from a random roleblock or switch.

If either player gets notified that they were RB’ed they would eventually piece together that OJ did it and that would put in jeopardy his entire fake flip.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Block will be considered an anti-town action and because Africa only has three people in it, it will be tracked down to OJ pretty fast. Switch isn't as bad of an action in principle, but what's the point of it?
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
I don't think there is a obvious redirect pick. Redirecting to Stu seems good.

You can disable someone ATP, that's the more risky play. Bite might not be as good but it also ain't as risky.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Hey, I wonder if Geno will update the map before the day starts. That was my favorite part about Risk, that small tease let everyone know who had died and what odd things had happened during the night. Fucking eggs and fires and Puppetmon lol.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
ohohohooo

good thing that we held that kill, now we can plan NOTHING. too bad the dinos apparently do nothing, that was a funny sight to see in first glance.
 
Triforce piece loses it's power, the abilitiy upgrade for Fandorin is "When you have 3 kills stored you get a 4th one for free"
For VA it's "You gain a 3 shot day item steal with the command Alpha and Omega: Player
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Triforce piece loses it's power, the abilitiy upgrade for Fandorin is "When you have 3 kills stored you get a 4th one for free"
For VA it's "You gain a 3 shot day item steal with the command Alpha and Omega: Player
Damn. That is pretty good. Question! Since no one is on a continent at the moment, does that mean I can steal from no one until we're back on land?
 
Holy fucking shit lol

Both upgrades are very nice. VA can be a beast with his steals and that free stored kill would be insane. I’m seriously looking forward to it now hahah
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Holy fucking shit lol

Both upgrades are very nice. VA can be a beast with his steals and that free stored kill would be insane. I’m seriously looking forward to it now hahah
You just have to survive past Day 4. We need to be as careful as possible to ensure you're not RB'ed either. Then on Night 4, you can unleash 4 kills if we're lucky to make it that far. Between all the RB stuff going on, and probably other scum teams, it'll be tough to survive. But you got this.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
At any point in the game, I might toss the Triforce Piece to one of you if I feel threatened. Keep it hidden if that happens. Just letting you know.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Do we know what item Launch got? Blind item is ok but we could wait and see if we can steal one of our items. I for one can never ask for mine in public, since my character apparently is the big bad of the show.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Do we know what item Launch got? Blind item is ok but we could wait and see if we can steal one of our items. I for one can never ask for mine in public, since my character apparently is the big bad of the show.
No idea. They've been very quiet about it. I can wait until this Day 2 game is over and immediately steal from 2 of the 3 winners then. Keep my 3rd steal in reserve in case your item pops up?
 
You just have to survive past Day 4. We need to be as careful as possible to ensure you're not RB'ed either. Then on Night 4, you can unleash 4 kills if we're lucky to make it that far. Between all the RB stuff going on, and probably other scum teams, it'll be tough to survive. But you got this.
I’m confident we can pull it off and it will be amazing haha. Didn’t think of RBs, but I think we should be fine.
At any point in the game, I might toss the Triforce Piece to one of you if I feel threatened. Keep it hidden if that happens. Just letting you know.
Yeah, I think that’s the way. Day steals are harsh, but we can pass it on between us as the game goes on.
No idea. They've been very quiet about it. I can wait until this Day 2 game is over and immediately steal from 2 of the 3 winners then. Keep my 3rd steal in reserve in case your item pops up?
I think that’s a good plan. Maybe we can save two shots until later on since with more information we can more easily get our items or remove some relevant upgrade from the game.
 
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