LaunchpadMcQ
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ATP giving me bad vibes still, honestly. Wouldn't try to recruit there.
Cult Thread Baby Vegeta's Chat
- Thread starter Geno
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Hawthorn
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I wouldn't push the Kyan breadcrumb theory beyond this. I don't want them to realize that recruitment is intercontinental.
Davy Jones will face Blackbeard's revenge one day, but on the other hand this rocks. I get credit for saying I would comply with the quarantine but I don't have to actually do it, and none of my abilities are limited by continent, so I don't really care where I am.
Davy Jones will face Blackbeard's revenge one day, but on the other hand this rocks. I get credit for saying I would comply with the quarantine but I don't have to actually do it, and none of my abilities are limited by continent, so I don't really care where I am.
LaunchpadMcQ
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Yeah, I was trying to pivot to another line of discussion on Kyan. I also think town is going to bumble through the cult mechanics like they always do - they might have a good idea, but they won't be sure sure. There are going to be enough folks stuck in that way of thinking and try to reason it some other way.
This is way easier than being scum
Definitely. ATP got way too aggressive over a nothing comment I made about engagement, too. I definitely didn't see that from him in previous games. I think ATP wouldn't take his position as a town voice for granted like this.
Oh, just to double check, you're the one doing the Goofy stuff, right?
Hawthorn
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I (nin) was doing the goofy stuff originally, but now this new ship has appeared, the Flying Dutchman, which appears to have a lot of the same powers as me. It made all these recent moves, not me. But it worked out well for us, so I'm not complaining-- for now.
LaunchpadMcQ
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Not enough room for two Goofys on this Risk map, if you ask me
Hawthorn
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A lot of people have brought up concerns about Kyan now, to the point where he would be plausible as someone you would decide to cop check if we go that route.
I don't know if I should think of a fake claim or not, thinking ahead for if it comes up. Nin was town the first two days & played Blackbeard as town-- I think I could just claim it if necessary.
I don't know if I should think of a fake claim or not, thinking ahead for if it comes up. Nin was town the first two days & played Blackbeard as town-- I think I could just claim it if necessary.
LaunchpadMcQ
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Well, I think your regular claim holds up, but you’d need to fall back on reasoning out (or not reasoning out) nin’s actions and your own under the lens of town play. For example, the Pacifism on D1 - I have no idea how those players were chosen and you likely don’t either, so just say that. I think you might be able to find some town logic to anything you’ve done, with enough mental gymnastics
LaunchpadMcQ
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That's alright.
Also, I guess it was implied but - let's do as much pro-town as we can going forward at least. If it comes time to open neutral, we can bargain for more time. If we do some really wild stuff, they will be less likely to bargain. So, whatever Godzilla is, let's focus its wrath on Royal and whoever else we think is scum. Fando and ATP seem like good choices, too.
Also, I guess it was implied but - let's do as much pro-town as we can going forward at least. If it comes time to open neutral, we can bargain for more time. If we do some really wild stuff, they will be less likely to bargain. So, whatever Godzilla is, let's focus its wrath on Royal and whoever else we think is scum. Fando and ATP seem like good choices, too.
LaunchpadMcQ
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Conversely, if town kills all the scum, we also win! :p
LaunchpadMcQ
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LOL ATP with the Hail Mary to kill his own teammate. It’s too obvious.
LaunchpadMcQ
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This is giving me war flashbacks to Risk
Hawthorn
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Amazing! OK, so I think I should attack the Flying Dutchman, consistent with our plan of appearing as townie as possible. It will make it clear, if I have to claim later, that the two ships are separate. Also it will drive Davy Jones off my territory! I'll make sure to save enough battalions to summon Godzilla. Sound ok?
LaunchpadMcQ
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lmao
I am a-okay with this
I should clarify something about my role btw I think I missed mentioning. I can only use my abilities locally, so I might not do anything tonight, but that’s ok if I’m next to Zipped. Reducing Davy Jones’ battalions will help reduce shenanigans but I’ll probably be on the lookout for them trying to move players at day end
Hawthorn
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I'll be honest, I can't keep track of all your abilities! Just let me know if you're about to do anything dramatic. I can always pull zipped to be near you if there's too much moving around, or pull you to be near zipped. I can move a few others also for cover.
LaunchpadMcQ
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I wonder if you lock us in place, if Davy Jones would be able to move us? We could preemptively lock Zipped and I in place if we think they can’t. Seeing as how their ship counter didn’t go down, I suspect they used something that didn’t use up battalions to scatter those players earlier today.
Depending on how the ITAs and Godzilla play out, if Flush survives to be lunched, maybe we position me next to ATP to roleblock. If ATP is the lunch, we do Fando instead, though I’m maybe a little less sure about Fando being scum.
This is all me just spitballing. We could also just play it safe and just see what happens.
Hawthorn
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@Geno would it be possible to have a map update in the thread some time today? If not no worries, I'll just read through & check.
The order should be 1. moves 2. ship to ship combat 3. Godzilla I think. Or maybe moves at the end after Godzilla, since we don't know what destruction he'll cause? Actually I think that' s better. Ship to ship combat, then Godzilla, then moves in the aftermath once the dust settles. I'll save like 4 or 5 battalions for moves, so I'll be able to move about 2 people, meaning I can only use about 5 to attack the ship. It's possible Davy Jones will retaliate with another attack, but I think that's an acceptable risk-- hopefully there won't be enough time before Godzilla.
As for where the moves will go, looks like the plan is you, zipped, and one suspected mafia for roleblocking all together. Sounds doable since that only involves moving two people.
The order should be 1. moves 2. ship to ship combat 3. Godzilla I think. Or maybe moves at the end after Godzilla, since we don't know what destruction he'll cause? Actually I think that' s better. Ship to ship combat, then Godzilla, then moves in the aftermath once the dust settles. I'll save like 4 or 5 battalions for moves, so I'll be able to move about 2 people, meaning I can only use about 5 to attack the ship. It's possible Davy Jones will retaliate with another attack, but I think that's an acceptable risk-- hopefully there won't be enough time before Godzilla.
As for where the moves will go, looks like the plan is you, zipped, and one suspected mafia for roleblocking all together. Sounds doable since that only involves moving two people.
LaunchpadMcQ
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Hawthorn
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Aeleus when you read this later... I would be friends with you if it weren't for Geno's dark hints of possible consequences!
Now I think maybe Godzilla should be first before ship-to-ship in case it gives me any combat upgrades, the rest stays the same ie moves last.
Now I think maybe Godzilla should be first before ship-to-ship in case it gives me any combat upgrades, the rest stays the same ie moves last.
LaunchpadMcQ
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I was thinking... we could always just recruit Aeleus :v
Yes, ok. That's a good point.
Hawthorn
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It's fine like this, give me a moment to update the map, but just so you know Godzilla has now changed your win con to cult receiving majority. On the upside if all scum die cult gains a faction kill. I will also mysteriously say "A win con has changed" in the main thread. No this is not me changing rules midgame Godzilla was always meant to fuck up things for players, you just happened to be in the cult lol
LaunchpadMcQ
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Oh dear.
You are considered a threat to town so town must eliminate you first, if you reach 5 cultists you lose the ability to recruit forever btw.
LaunchpadMcQ
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If coming forward wasn’t the thing that was going to change the win condition for us, then we can actually come forward I think. They won’t know when scum dies, we get the faction kill. We should talk it through after this all plays out, though.
LaunchpadMcQ
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omg
Hawthorn
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Awesome about destroying the ship.
Got to wait for the map update to find out what else is happening.
If we come forward, we would say that we agree to stop recruiting after three and become survivors, then we secretly keep recruiting and ask the new recruits not to reveal themselves. We won't disappear after recruiting to 5, but town will think that it's because we're not at 5.
If all the mafia are eliminated, town will think there's another mafia out there.
It could work, but it's very risky, we definitely need to think it through carefully first. IMO it should be me who reveals myself. I forget when nin was recruited, but I can say it was the night Salva was on the same continent as him, that way it'll still seem like recruitment is continent-locked. I can say I'm the only cult member left, or just be cagy about it.
The alternative is to just keep recruiting from the shadows. If we get to 5 then one of us gets killed, would we get the recruitment ability back?
Got to wait for the map update to find out what else is happening.
If we come forward, we would say that we agree to stop recruiting after three and become survivors, then we secretly keep recruiting and ask the new recruits not to reveal themselves. We won't disappear after recruiting to 5, but town will think that it's because we're not at 5.
If all the mafia are eliminated, town will think there's another mafia out there.
It could work, but it's very risky, we definitely need to think it through carefully first. IMO it should be me who reveals myself. I forget when nin was recruited, but I can say it was the night Salva was on the same continent as him, that way it'll still seem like recruitment is continent-locked. I can say I'm the only cult member left, or just be cagy about it.
The alternative is to just keep recruiting from the shadows. If we get to 5 then one of us gets killed, would we get the recruitment ability back?
No, it's over then.
Godzilla thing have several abilities so give me a bit.
LaunchpadMcQ
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Yeah, coming forward is high risk, but that would be an amazing play to pull off hahaha the only problem is if they want to try to use us as cops, so we'd have to claim we can't recruit anymore and that that was the win condition change.
Let's try to discuss all the ins and outs in the night phase. For now, we must focus on kaiju command >:D
Your new abilities you can use for free are:
Godzilla's Atomic Breath: 1 shot vigilante kill to a player of your choice at night. The command is Atomic Breath: X
King Ghidorah's Magnetic Blast: 1 shot draw all players in a single continent at day start. The command is Magnetic Blast
Gigan's Electrified Roar: 1 shot gain a secret vote you can place at another player at anytime with the command Secret Vote: X
Anguirus's Regeneration: 1 shot with the command Anguirus's Regeneration, you will not be able to die that night.
Rodan's Volcanic Blast: 2 shot with the command Volcanic Blast: Player, that player is roleblocked
Mothra's Silk Attack: 2 shot target a player at night with the command Silk Attack: Player to steal their items
Godzilla's Atomic Breath: 1 shot vigilante kill to a player of your choice at night. The command is Atomic Breath: X
King Ghidorah's Magnetic Blast: 1 shot draw all players in a single continent at day start. The command is Magnetic Blast
Gigan's Electrified Roar: 1 shot gain a secret vote you can place at another player at anytime with the command Secret Vote: X
Anguirus's Regeneration: 1 shot with the command Anguirus's Regeneration, you will not be able to die that night.
Rodan's Volcanic Blast: 2 shot with the command Volcanic Blast: Player, that player is roleblocked
Mothra's Silk Attack: 2 shot target a player at night with the command Silk Attack: Player to steal their items
LaunchpadMcQ
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holy shit lol
LaunchpadMcQ
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I believe you're both at 8 now
LaunchpadMcQ
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er, well, *were* at 8
LaunchpadMcQ
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Don’t worry about movement. Do what have you have to do lol
LaunchpadMcQ
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It was to preempt them moving Zipped, and it seems unlikely they can do that if they don’t have battalions
LaunchpadMcQ
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Well, I think we at least foiled their plan to cause moving shenanigans at day end. I think wee, Nat, and Aeleus are town, so unlikely I'll have any issues in Antarctica.
I think we're pretty much tapped out here for the day. Let's just play the rest of the day out and discuss how to move forward tonight.
I think we're pretty much tapped out here for the day. Let's just play the rest of the day out and discuss how to move forward tonight.
LaunchpadMcQ
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I think we need to start wrapping our heads around a push for you tomorrow, and what the open neutral claim is going to look like. lol
It would be great for you to come out at day start with a "hello yes I am cult and I murdered Flush" or something haha I'll post more detailed thoughts later.
It would be great for you to come out at day start with a "hello yes I am cult and I murdered Flush" or something haha I'll post more detailed thoughts later.
LaunchpadMcQ
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or ATP I guess since it was a no lunch lol
LaunchpadMcQ
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Geno can I dig in here when I’m ready?
LaunchpadMcQ
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SPOTS: A5, C6, D3, E7, F2, F6, H1, H7
LaunchpadMcQ
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BUY: Net
SPOTS: E8
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
Good luck with the mini game!
I think I only have suspicion because I was so barely present today. Lots of stuff going on at work, but it was also kind of deliberate, to fly under the radar as much as possible.
Yes, we've got to think over the possible recruits/actions tonight, and the possible open cult leader claim. Will try to think it through a bit more & post my thoughts. I guess I do have a vig shot. ATP is unlunchable, which is suspicious, but Royal is our "cop check" so either of them are good targets. Geno, can I use both the recruit action and one of the Godzilla actions in one night?
For recruitment, we talked about Malus, Sorian, LP, and Aeleus. Plenty of other options also, but I'm thinking not one of the masons. If we do the open claim, it actually should be someone on the same continent as me, I think. If we stay in the shadows, someone distant.
I think I only have suspicion because I was so barely present today. Lots of stuff going on at work, but it was also kind of deliberate, to fly under the radar as much as possible.
Yes, we've got to think over the possible recruits/actions tonight, and the possible open cult leader claim. Will try to think it through a bit more & post my thoughts. I guess I do have a vig shot. ATP is unlunchable, which is suspicious, but Royal is our "cop check" so either of them are good targets. Geno, can I use both the recruit action and one of the Godzilla actions in one night?
For recruitment, we talked about Malus, Sorian, LP, and Aeleus. Plenty of other options also, but I'm thinking not one of the masons. If we do the open claim, it actually should be someone on the same continent as me, I think. If we stay in the shadows, someone distant.
LaunchpadMcQ
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I think scum used the secret votes actually. I would shoot ATP; I think that would get you the most cred for your trouble and would look more organic from a townie perspective than Flush.
Definitely no recruiting masons. Malus and Sorian I can get behind, especially Sorian who seems to have some kill protection. I would also add Brazil, Vere, and wee. They are good solid townie choices, but they're unlikely to die soon. Aeleus and LP picked up some heat, so we can reassess them later. Natiko is likely to die at some point, if indeed town, so I would avoid. Same with Zipped. I was townreading Terra pretty hard, but the wheels have definitely come off a bit the last two days on that read for me; he's so clever when he plays as scum, I fully believe he's pulled the wool over my eyes here.
Maybe we don't need to open neutral. I was mostly only thinking you do it when I said it to cover yourself, but maybe it's better to come forward if/when pressed as the town owner of the first ship, explain your actions so far, Godzilla, etc. at least as much as you can. You'll get major cred for killing ATP if the shot hits, and folks may not even be worried about whether you're part of the cult or not. Oh, I think I missed connecting the dots, but Aeleus was the one who upgraded you then?
oh oh, I just thought of something dastardly, too. I hope Geno doesn't get mad at me about this one, but if we're quite a ways away from hitting majority with the cult, we can hold off on recruiting a fifth until we're closer to winning to not lose our recruitment ability, in case one of us dies and we need to replenish members.
>:D
Thanks for that.
Do the spots replenish after they're all gone? I guess I maybe should've asked that weeks ago lmao though there's still money to be made with the completion of the sets, so I realize I'm not dead in the water here
What do you mean here?
Also I've thought about everything don't worry, game still has quite a few players in.
LaunchpadMcQ
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Sorry, I could've phrased that better. So once I catch a type of bug, fish, etc., is it removed from the RNG pool?
LaunchpadMcQ
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Oh, I forgot Hedin. That would be a good choice, too.
Yeah, you can't roll the same thing, an empty spot replaces it
LaunchpadMcQ
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And items change position every day, so the empty spots won't be in the same place? I didn't misread that part too, did I? haha
Yeah they won't be in the same place, but more empty spots will exist the more items you find, if I'm making any sense
LaunchpadMcQ
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Yep, that makes sense. I should've asked about the items sooner, that's on me.
Well, then, I guess it's time to play the Stalk Market.
BUY: 2 Turnips
Hawthorn
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I'm on board with that reasoning, and I need to use up the Godzilla abilities before time runs out, so yeah I'll shoot ATP tonight!
I keep thinking Vere is a mason, but I'm mixing him up with VA. Who even knows with Terra. His current play could mean anything. Brazil is on NA with me, and I think we should go intercontinental if we don't do the open claim. Are you sure Sorian is town? If so I would say him, otherwise Malus. Vere and Wee are both good too though.
The difficulty is, claiming cult is pretty much now or never. If we wait past the next day start, people are going to correctly assume we didn't come forward because our wincon changed, so we won't be able to walk into being trusted neutrals anymore. I'm not too worried about the suspicion on me, it's just based on not being around too much, my posting style, etc, nothing serious. But I should claim the shot on ATP which means claiming Blackbeard. So the question is really about our strategy for the rest of the game: get the town to trust the cult or stay in the shadows? I lean cautious, but I have to admit the other way would be fun.
About my upgrades, the godzilla stuff was from the song I posted. I figured the naval combat abilities were just timed around the other ship appearing, but it's possible that it was Aeleus. Actually, now that I think about it, Aeleus has mentioned the ships a lot, not sure if that means anything.
I saw Geno's enigmatic reply, but also, doesn't this work out the same mathematically? We'd be at 4 if somebody were to die either way.
I feel guilty Launch has so much stuff to do LOL
LaunchpadMcQ
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Oh damn, I almost forgot Vere is a mason too. But I also believe Vere would be pissed if brought into the fold and I’d love to see it lmao
Whether we go open or not, especially now with all the people Salva was near being spread out and having been near a bunch of other players - there’s no way to trace it back honestly. So, I think we should really just look at who’s town that will survive longer on focus on that.
Am I really sure Sorian is town? Heck no. He is a snake. That said, if Sorian is town, it would be a huge boon for us to grab him. If Sorian is not town, we will have to get crafty about shading him over time. We should probably solve that for our own sake.
Yeah, you’re certainly right about it being now or never. It’s bold, but doable. We just need to keep stringing them along on finding that one more scum while we wipe town out.
If we went open, you’re still up for only one of us coming forward? You would need to lie and say that our wincon changed to “survive” because you activated Godzilla, and that we can no longer recruit.
We can get the new recruit’s take on it before going through with it, also.
Yeah, I was just thinking if we get to 5, and lose 1 before endgame, we can’t get back to 5. Conversely, if we stay at 4 until we’re about to win, we can get the 5th member near endgame instead; if we lose 1 and go down to 3, we can recruit back up to 4. Getting to 5 too far from endgame means we can conceivably lose all our players without being able to recruit.
I do it to myself tbh
Hawthorn
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I thought about it more and actually plan open claim is too risky. The difficulty is that they know someone's win con changed. As the game goes on and inevitably more neutrals get eliminated, they'll start to seriously suspect that it was us.
I can also roleblock and item steal with the Godzilla abilities, outside of the ones I'm thinking of saving. Are you thinking of using any actions tonight Launch?
I can also roleblock and item steal with the Godzilla abilities, outside of the ones I'm thinking of saving. Are you thinking of using any actions tonight Launch?
Hawthorn
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Cross posted!
That's a good point-- if he's unrecruitable that would give us another player to get suspicious of, later giving us townie points if he flips. When he flips, because we can also use our powers on him XD. So in the long run it's good for us either way. OK, I'm up for trying that.
I didn't think about claiming a changed win con when coming forward. It could work that way. I wonder if we could come up with something more creative than survive, something that sounds really Geno-like. I'll think about it more. It would be pretty cool...
I'm definitely up for it just being me, and I agree the new recruit should be on board.
I think I'd rather bulk up faster, just in case something screws with the recruit ability later. Or if we get too close to a mafia victory and roll the dice wrong on who we recruit. But there's time to consider that one, we won't be at the point of recruiting up to five until two day phases from now, and that's if everybody survives.
That's a good point-- if he's unrecruitable that would give us another player to get suspicious of, later giving us townie points if he flips. When he flips, because we can also use our powers on him XD. So in the long run it's good for us either way. OK, I'm up for trying that.
I didn't think about claiming a changed win con when coming forward. It could work that way. I wonder if we could come up with something more creative than survive, something that sounds really Geno-like. I'll think about it more. It would be pretty cool...
I'm definitely up for it just being me, and I agree the new recruit should be on board.
I think I'd rather bulk up faster, just in case something screws with the recruit ability later. Or if we get too close to a mafia victory and roll the dice wrong on who we recruit. But there's time to consider that one, we won't be at the point of recruiting up to five until two day phases from now, and that's if everybody survives.
LaunchpadMcQ
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er, I think maybe malus would be a bad target actually. After being confirmed as Reiji, that’s close to being a confirmed town and malus can’t be protected by zipped. Unless malus has some other protection, he can be night killed tonight.
Boss fight is at 16 players or so. The expectation is that folks will die there. We’ll have at least 2 chances to recruit since we’re at 22 players now, assuming Thanos doesn’t start melting faces tomorrow. :|
Maybe we go for the safe choices to boost the numbers fast, then, like you said. wee or Hedin if you want to keep up the confusion about how recruitment works; Brazil if you don’t. All great choices and team mates to have, but my personal choice is wee.
To answer a previous question, I don’t have enough money to use an ability tonight. I must invest in root vegetables.
I guess this is a question for Geno - are all of your non-kill abilities continent-locked? That makes some of them kind of hard to use in your current spot.
Boss fight is at 16 players or so. The expectation is that folks will die there. We’ll have at least 2 chances to recruit since we’re at 22 players now, assuming Thanos doesn’t start melting faces tomorrow. :|
Maybe we go for the safe choices to boost the numbers fast, then, like you said. wee or Hedin if you want to keep up the confusion about how recruitment works; Brazil if you don’t. All great choices and team mates to have, but my personal choice is wee.
To answer a previous question, I don’t have enough money to use an ability tonight. I must invest in root vegetables.
I guess this is a question for Geno - are all of your non-kill abilities continent-locked? That makes some of them kind of hard to use in your current spot.