Mason Thread MGS Mafia |Masons| Just Monkeyin' Around

[Neki]

lol Veres they'll go after power roles! I mean if they do that town is just dumb and we deserve to lose

 

[Verelios]

lol Veres they'll go after power roles! I mean if they do that town is just dumb and we deserve to lose

Do not underestimate town's ability to fuck things up.

 

[Neki]

I mean as long as you don't get voted off today I think this is well worth the risk. The discussion keeps circling back to you and it's not going to stop. Most people see me as town already so I think it'll only help at least. If you get voted off today even after I claim then I don't think there is much we could have done regardless then.

 

[Verelios]

I mean as long as you don't get voted off today I think this is well worth the risk. The discussion keeps circling back to you and it's not going to stop. Most people see me as town already so I think it'll only help at least. If you get voted off today even after I claim then I don't think there is much we could have done regardless then.

That's true, it's becoming a distraction that scum can hide behind. Okay, claim whenever you're ready.

 

[Neki]

Just to be safe, as long as I don't directly quote or copy/paste or screenshot anything in our chat or in my role PM, I won't be modkilled right? I have nightmares of Feign getting killed day 1 still lol.

 

[Verelios]

Just to be safe, as long as I don't directly quote or copy/paste or screenshot anything in our chat or in my role PM, I won't be modkilled right? I have nightmares of Feign getting killed day 1 still lol.

Errr. Lol, please don't leave me like that. Paraphrasing is fine but direct C/P isn't.

 

[Neki]

if I die they know you're town!

 

[Verelios]

if I die they know you're town!

Lol, I just dislike modkills. I'm sure Nat would be frothing having to do 2 in a game

 

[Neki]

Feeling worse or better about monkey today? She is very focused on you today. I guess she believes that a town/scum mason pair is possible since she is very hyper focused about this.

 

[Verelios]

Feeling worse or better about monkey today? She is very focused on you today. I guess she believes that a town/scum mason pair is possible since she is very hyper focused about this.

Kind of worse. I feel like she's attempting to sew doubt in us rather than figure out the gamestate, as she asks if you think there would be two sleepwalkers in the game but seemed to miss(or didn't care to read) when you stated ambulance claimed sleepwalker D1(or D2?).

It's not solving. I noticed it yesterday when she kept going back and forth over how LP must have been bus driven and didn't understand what anyone was saying (which would help if she read the posts). I'll keep watching but it looks like she has an end result she wants to get to and is crafting responses to fit it.

 

[Verelios]

What do you think of the people today still shortening the list to me and Kalor? I think some of them have to be town but others appear opportunistic.

What's your read on Fanto?

 

[Neki]

I definitely think Monkey is being weird and I really don't get Fanto's vote at all. Fanto's votes have been all over the place despite people townreading her so I'm just confused at her mindset. The fact that you still have 3 votes on you is worrying to me.

 

[Neki]

feel like I am going in circles trying to convince people here. vere if you're scum, just kill me now, I don't want to write another post about you.

take me out

 

[Verelios]

feel like I am going in circles trying to convince people here. vere if you're scum, just kill me now, I don't want to write another post about you.

take me out

Like you said, if I were scum then it makes more sense to take you out early, after the claim. And vice versa with you, me getting voted out or nked would give you major town cred as scum.

I don't see why either of us waits on it so I'm confident you're on the up&up.

 

[Verelios]

I definitely think Monkey is being weird and I really don't get Fanto's vote at all. Fanto's votes have been all over the place despite people townreading her so I'm just confused at her mindset. The fact that you still have 3 votes on you is worrying to me.

Fanto's vote is an attempt to ride momentum. It looks really bad, and I'm starting to think a Monkey-Sparks-Fanto-Ephi team might be possible here.

 

[Neki]

I'm definitely behind the idea of maybe Sparks and Fanto and possibly Fate/Koplite being on a team

 

[Verelios]

I'm definitely behind the idea of maybe Sparks and Fanto and possibly Fate/Koplite being on a team

Kop has been weird all game. I don't know what's up with him.

 

[Neki]

I know if I'm ever scum I'm going for the low effort post count route or the shit posting route

 

[Verelios]

I know if I'm ever scum I'm going for the low effort post count route or the shit posting route

That's a legit scum tactic that has swept more than one season.

 

[Neki]

At this point I'm invested into where this all ends up. I'm not sure how I feel about playing another mafia game since I definitely enjoy reading and seeing the flips but actually playing it is very stressful and overwhelming at times. I can't imagine doing this consistently lol

 

[Verelios]

At this point I'm invested into where this all ends up. I'm not sure how I feel about playing another mafia game since I definitely enjoy reading and seeing the flips but actually playing it is very stressful and overwhelming at times. I can't imagine doing this consistently lol

This is definitely an outlier. Most games aren't so complicated and they have consistent threads to follow so you don't feel dispirited.

 

[Verelios]

That might have sounded weird, a lot of players get fatigue and play only one or two games a season which is great, very manageable, but I definitely feel like the weirdness here might have closed you ofg more than you would in a normal complexity game. What I'm saying is that you might enjoy a more vanilla experience to ease you in after this. And, I'm not going to lie that part of it is because I think you showed a strong early game before two teams were proposed and hope you keep playing.

 

[Neki]

I'll keep it in kind, a more vanilla experience might be more tame for me lol. Also nat got his second mod kill, did we jinx it

 

[Natiko]

Yes, this is all your fault

 

[Neki]

 

[Verelios]

I'll keep it in kind, a more vanilla experience might be more tame for me lol. Also nat got his second mod kill, did we jinx it

Man proposes, Nat disposes.

 

[Neki]

How do you feel about the turbo on Sparks? For me I'm really undecided on Sparks/Fanto. I know Fanto/Monkey probably aren't on the same team but I don't know if it's town/patriot or partriot/liquid at this point

 

[Verelios]

How do you feel about the turbo on Sparks? For me I'm really undecided on Sparks/Fanto. I know Fanto/Monkey probably aren't on the same team but I don't know if it's town/patriot or partriot/liquid at this point

I should be sure Sparks is scum. He has to be scum right? He's straight up acting like it right now, but I just don't know with Sparks and it's making me worried.

I think there's a good chance Fanto is scum. For Monkey, I still think back to N3 and Hawthorn commuting her, but I do believe it's unlikely she's a patriot. Pretty unlikely.

 

[Neki]

Town:
Neki - mason
Verelios - mason
Stan - ??
Leo - FOXDIE Doctor
MrHedin - Bomb Defuser
Zippedpinhead - lover

Null (one of these into team liquid?)
Kalor - self watcher
Fate - ??
HP(?) - lover scum?
Ephidel - ??

Patriots:
Chuggs (dead)
LP (dead)
Sparks - tracker(?)
Fanto - ??

Liquid"
Koplite - ??
Faddy - ??
Monkey(?)

 

[Neki]

This is what I'm feeling right now. Looking back at Chuggs post, he was kind of throwing shade on people voting for LP and Sparks. He also made a town read with Faddy + Fanto + Jman so I'm thinking maybe he could have slipped in one of his team mates to make it look more legitimate.

LP and Fanto have both thrown reasonable doubt on Monkey being possible scum on the other team which makes me think they're leaning patriots. I'm not sure anyone else has had a big spiel on monkey being scum besides them, can you think of anyone?

Fate, Ephidel and HP are all null reads for me right now, their impact on the game has been quite muted so if they have a power role or are scum, it's hard to say.

I like Stan today and he's been doing a good job. Leo seems fine and a low priority target for Liquid since they don't have FOXDIE and he dropped his case against you so I think he's fine right now.

Monkey is kinda avoiding Faddy and Faddy really hasn't done anything since he got Zeke out, he's kind of tapered off. Koplite has literally said nothing of substance and if he's town I think he's doing a bad job

 

[Neki]

Forgot to add Zem and I feel really good about his lists and posts

 

[Neki]

Maybe sparks is on liquid team, not sure. Monkey and sparks have had some weird convos

 

[Verelios]

Forgot to add Zem and I feel really good about his lists and posts

In my opinion, Zem as a gossip is unlikely to be scum unless Fate and Ephi are scum with him. Adding Faddy yesterday, I think he's town.

 

[Verelios]

This is what I'm feeling right now. Looking back at Chuggs post, he was kind of throwing shade on people voting for LP and Sparks. He also made a town read with Faddy + Fanto + Jman so I'm thinking maybe he could have slipped in one of his team mates to make it look more legitimate.

That's a good call on Sparks. It doesn't look like much in isolation but with his defense of LP it means that there's precedent. How did he react to Faddy when you read through Chuggs? And yep, it's classic scum psychology to place at least one teammate in your town list to WIFOM it after you die. Of the three, Jman flipped town, so I think Fanto being Patriots is very likely. I'm less sure of Faddy here.

LP and Fanto have both thrown reasonable doubt on Monkey being possible scum on the other team which makes me think they're leaning patriots. I'm not sure anyone else has had a big spiel on monkey being scum besides them, can you think of anyone?

Thinking...and no. Other than Nin (who flipped town) being worried and voting for her yesterday, but that wasn't really a case. It was more of an impulse. Monkey has been generally kept away from the fireml ever since D2 with Chuggs so we won't see anything like that.

Fate, Ephidel and HP are all null reads for me right now, their impact on the game has been quite muted so if they have a power role or are scum, it's hard to say.

Of these three my chain of suspicion would be Ephi->Fate->HP just based on their posts, where I'm least worried about HP. His lovers claim means that it'll sort itself out or Zipped and him act as a restraint to each other once endgame comes around.

I like Stan today and he's been doing a good job. Leo seems fine and a low priority target for Liquid since they don't have FOXDIE and he dropped his case against you so I think he's fine right now.

Yeah, I certainly think Stan has been doing well, and his case against Sparks looked showed he was excited to catch out scum. I'm comfortable feeling like he's town for now. As for Leo, well, we know there's Foxdie in the wild so he can't be a Patriot, and a case for him doesn't make sense right now unless most of us are dead and the game hasn't ended.

Monkey is kinda avoiding Faddy and Faddy really hasn't done anything since he got Zeke out, he's kind of tapered off. Koplite has literally said nothing of substance and if he's town I think he's doing a bad job

Faddy really has been more subdued ever since Zeke died. I wonder why. One mountain can't hold two tigers and all that, LP certainly said something interesting when he claimed it was weird they haven't had friction this game, even though I know 40% was misdirection, 60% must have been retaliatory to the other teamo. I don't know. Of the two I think we (town) decide to flip Faddy first since he was on Zeke's list even if Sparks flips scum, and because Monkey has a pulse on town's direction. But if it comes down to it, I think I'll lean toward voting Monkey based on if Sparks flips Patriot or Liquid. What about you?

Kopite is probably scum, I'm around 60% sure he is.

 

[Neki]

here we go again

 

[Verelios]

Wooooooot, we were right!

 

[Neki]

Do people usually breadcrumb to open wolf later? Seems like a weird idea

 

[Neki]

I KNEW IT FADDY

 

[Neki]

Feel like Fanto had a self-destruct to take out someone?

 

[Verelios]

WOAAAAH OKAY Monkey is scum.

 

[Neki]

Oh god this is even wackier now LOL

 

[Verelios]

Feel like Fanto had a self-destruct to take out someone?

Yeah, it seems exactly like that. Great work uncovering one of the scum.

 

[Verelios]

THE PATRIOTS HAVE SAVED THE DAY!

 

[Neki]

Someone has to bring up that tailored shit again

 

[Neki]

Faddy was 100% talking out of his ass and whoever got behind that is sus to me now lol

 

[Neki]

I think this honestly incriminates the hell out of Monkey lol

 

[Neki]

I'm also glad I didn't turbo out Fanto because this is a much better outcome with Faddy dying

 

[Neki]

This whole day phase is confusing, majority was 10 but the vote ended before that. Fanto's power only works when someone is voted out but the game ended before that. So someone else has a day power to immediately kill and end the day? Because I don't think Fanto would vote bomb herself.

 

[Verelios]

This whole day phase is confusing, majority was 10 but the vote ended before that. Fanto's power only works when someone is voted out but the game ended before that. So someone else has a day power to immediately kill and end the day? Because I don't think Fanto would vote bomb herself.

Wait, really? Let me go check.

 

[Verelios]

You're right! Wait...is it because the bomb selects 1 person so the day's majority was one less when the bomb target is chosen?

 

[Neki]

Majority is 9 on Nat's post but 8 in the voting tool, very confusing lol

 

[Neki]

In nat's post in the thread it states 9 but the voting tool states 8 (or is that because someone died?)

 

[Verelios]

In nat's post in the thread it states 9 but the voting tool states 8 (or is that because someone died?)

Aha, yeah it's because someone died before day end.

 

[Neki]

I mean Fanto has been a point of discussion lately but would Fanto ever bomb herself? Unless she discussed it with her patriot team mate after LP died as a backup plan? Bomb yourself and if it looks bad, you open wolf and then you get votes on you to kill someone. But the odds of it hitting scum seem relatively low?

Scenarios:
A) Someone had a day shot and shot Faddy or someone had a revenge mechanic and it killed Faddy later? Killing Faddy brought the vote threshold down to 8 and that's why the day ended
B) Someone had a mechanic to instantly end the vote causing Fanto to get yeet'd. Fanto self-bombed the night before and the bomb happens to hit Faddy.
C) ?? Any other scenarios

 

[Verelios]

I mean Fanto has been a point of discussion lately but would Fanto ever bomb herself? Unless she discussed it with her patriot team mate after LP died as a backup plan? Bomb yourself and if it looks bad, you open wolf and then you get votes on you to kill someone. But the odds of it hitting scum seem relatively low?

Scenarios:
A) Someone had a day shot and shot Faddy or someone had a revenge mechanic and it killed Faddy later? Killing Faddy brought the vote threshold down to 8 and that's why the day ended
B) Someone had a mechanic to instantly end the vote causing Fanto to get yeet'd. Fanto self-bombed the night before and the bomb happens to hit Faddy.
C) ?? Any other scenarios

Well, A and B are it most likely. I'm just wondering WHY Fanto was in such a hurry to get voted out. Her claim was laughable and lead me to believe that she did self-bomb and want to get voted out. Did it look that way to you too or no?

 

[Neki]

I mean my only problem with her self bombing is that she relatively had no heat the day before, all of the stuff came onto her today. So unless she always played on open wolfing it'd make no sens to me.

 

[Verelios]

I mean my only problem with her self bombing is that she relatively had no heat the day before, all of the stuff came onto her today. So unless she always played on open wolfing it'd make no sens to me.

Hmmm, that's true. So you think it was a vig shot thing?

 

[Neki]

Also all the votes on you are weird. I don't get it, at least Zem is confused too

 

[Verelios]

Also all the votes on you are weird. I don't get it, at least Zem is confused too

Lol, Fanto was trying her luck. I don't know what Hedin was smoking...that was actually really weird for him to immediately go there upon entering, and he's CONFIRMED town as Jman's replacement.

Just odd.

 

[Neki]

I mean now I'm heavily leaning scum on Monkey just because Faddy was confirmed and he seemed to avoid the whole spiel between you and Monkey. Stan and Zem are the ones I feel good about right now.

 

[Verelios]

I mean now I'm heavily leaning scum on Monkey just because Faddy was confirmed and he seemed to avoid the whole spiel between you and Monkey. Stan and Zem are the ones I feel good about right now.

Yep, I feel good about Stan/Zem/Hedin/Zipped/HP right now, which is a good place to start.

Less sure of Ephi, Fate, Reki (formerly Leo) in that order from most suspect to least.

Am 100% sure there is scum in Sparks/Monkey/Kop

 

[Neki]

I mean Leo/Reki visted Kalor and both are still alive, that's a good sign isn't it? I also think the fact that Leo was willing to drop his sus seems fine too. Kalor is definitely a wildcard but he hasn't really obstructed us at this point.

 

[Neki]

I am afraid that if they kill me off and I flip they're going to immediately go after you. But we bought a day and we got two scum out so I think it worked out in the end.

 

[Verelios]

I am afraid that if they kill me off and I flip they're going to immediately go after you. But we bought a day and we got two scum out so I think it worked out in the end.

I don't think they do. There's too much suspicion on us to be targets and they just lost Faddy. They'll go after the lovers->Hedin->Zem->Whoever in that order.

If the lovers aren't hit then I think that would be mighty interesting.

 

[Neki]

I mean people are convinced we're split alignment, so if I flip town then they're immediately going to back to the idea that you must be scum pair or vice versa

 

[Neki]

I'm also surprised they haven't gone for the lovers yet but maybe they wanted to go for power roles but they've been exposed now so they're definitely on a timer

 

[Neki]

Town:
Neki - mason
Verelios - mason
Stan - ??
Leo - FOXDIE Doctor
MrHedin - Bomb Defuser
Zippedpinhead - lover

Null (one of these into team liquid?)
Kalor - self watcher
Fate - ??
HP(?) - lover scum?
Ephidel - ??

Patriots:
Chuggs (dead)
LP (dead)
Fanto (dead)
Sparks - ??

Liquid"
Koplite - ??
Faddy dead
Monkey - ??

I just don't know who I'd put on team liquid last. Who went hard with Faddy on the Zeke train? I'm also not sure if sparks ends up being on Patriots or Liquid. I feel like maybe it's more likely Patriots because team liquid had at least 4 members and I'm sure they would have coached him to talk better. I think at this point I'd rather go Koplite over Sparks.

 

[Neki]

Also Faddy/Ephi/Monkey have been shading you all game so I find it to believe you'd be on their team. Makes no sense to draw attention to any team mates in this situation. So it makes me more suspicious of their intent. Monkey/Faddy have been pushing Sparks so for me Sparks has to be town/patriot unless they really wanted to throw him to the wolves

 

[Neki]

also I love the fact that Sky told me zeke tunneled on him as scum and then faddy tunneled on zeke as scum too, it's like poetic justice LOL

 

[Verelios]

Also Faddy/Ephi/Monkey have been shading you all game so I find it to believe you'd be on their team. Makes no sense to draw attention to any team mates in this situation. So it makes me more suspicious of their intent. Monkey/Faddy have been pushing Sparks so for me Sparks has to be town/patriot unless they really wanted to throw him to the wolves

Yep, Monkey tried very hard to discredit Zeke's list but remember that she also tried VERY hard to keep Sparks away from being voted out until just recently. When she found the first opportunity to do so, she tried to switch to me in order to 'shake things up', and then over to Fanto. Monkey is ridiculously guilty here if Sparks flips Foxhound.

 

[Neki]

You really think monkey would be that obvious in protecting sparks? I feel like she'd let sparks just sink at this point

 

[Neki]

Since you've played mafia before, I just have a question about the FOXHOUND team. So they have a factional kill where one member PMs to kill, so the scum decide who performs the kill and has to move. If we're under that assumption and we assume that Monkey got transported day 2, do we really think the foxhound team would send out monkey to do the factional kill? Is there a restriction that a FOXHOUND can only do one action?

I just find it hard to believe they'd probably send their best member to go for a kill, it seems very high risk when they could send someone like Koplite or Faddy.

 

[Verelios]

You really think monkey would be that obvious in protecting sparks? I feel like she'd let sparks just sink at this point

This is obviously a very smart scum team. Would you expect scum Faddy to tunnel Zeke all game? No, right? It's possible thT they're acting in ways go subvert our expectations purposefully.

Since you've played mafia before, I just have a question about the FOXHOUND team. So they have a factional kill where one member PMs to kill, so the scum decide who performs the kill and has to move. If we're under that assumption and we assume that Monkey got transported day 2, do we really think the foxhound team would send out monkey to do the factional kill? Is there a restriction that a FOXHOUND can only do one action?

I just find it hard to believe they'd probably send their best member to go for a kill, it seems very high risk when they could send someone like Koplite or Faddy.

No, it depends on the game. Some gamerunners only let you do either the factional kill or your ability, while others ket you do both. you can do the kill and your action

 

[Verelios]

Since you've played mafia before, I just have a question about the FOXHOUND team. So they have a factional kill where one member PMs to kill, so the scum decide who performs the kill and has to move. If we're under that assumption and we assume that Monkey got transported day 2, do we really think the foxhound team would send out monkey to do the factional kill? Is there a restriction that a FOXHOUND can only do one action?

I just find it hard to believe they'd probably send their best member to go for a kill, it seems very high risk when they could send someone like Koplite or Faddy.

Think about it in reverse though: who is tracking Monkey N2 after she flips chuggs?

 

[Neki]

We'll see today, if someone suggests going you over Sparks today I'm gonna lose it though lol. Sparks and Koplite are definitely on top for me and Monkey is a gray area now

 

[Verelios]

We'll see today, if someone suggests going you over Sparks today I'm gonna lose it though lol. Sparks and Koplite are definitely on top for me and Monkey is a gray area now

I definitely feel like a mass claim is necessary now. There are only a few who haven't and it's no surprise that faddy is 1 of them.

 

[Neki]

Gonna be hard because all of the roles are so weird lol. Also skyodin saying that Zeke being tailored is 100% bs means she definitely saw something in the scum chat

 

[Verelios]

Gonna be hard because all of the roles are so weird lol. Also skyodin saying that Zeke being tailored is 100% bs means she definitely saw something in the scum chat

WHY NOT SAY SOMETHING THOUGH!? If that was the case it's a perfect opportunity

 

[Verelios]

Is era down for you too?

 

[Verelios]

>.>
@Natiko how about you?

 

[Natiko]

Yeah it's been down most of the phase so far. Whenever it is up I'll ask everyone to PM me on if they want day extended by 24 hours or not.

 

[Verelios]

Yeah it's been down most of the phase so far. Whenever it is up I'll ask everyone to PM me on if they want day extended by 24 hours or not.

The most evil PR I've ever come across was that 24HR day extender lol. Gave me shivers.

 

[Natiko]

The most evil PR I've ever come across was that 24HR day extender lol. Gave me shivers.

Extend the phase by 72 hours you say?

 

[Verelios]

Extend the phase by 72 hours you say?

Sinister.

 

[Neki]

I was gonna solve the case!

 

[Neki]

Also Veres, the way monkey barely responded to the Faddy flip has me worrying. She's out here wanting to vote out the last patriot when we know there is a whole another scum team.

 

[Natiko]

Sinister.

You’ve been around a minute. Remember when we used to do 72/48 hour phases? What were we thinking

 

[Verelios]

Also Veres, the way monkey barely responded to the Faddy flip has me worrying. She's out here wanting to vote out the last patriot when we know there is a whole another scum team.

Monkey is definitely someone I want to look at someone to make a case for. I don't trust her 'should I claim? I'll claim if I have to' bit at all. It feels so much like LP and Fanto trying to drip feed their claims because they're fine tuning it on the go.

You’ve been around a minute. Remember when we used to do 72/48 hour phases? What were we thinking

Boy, those were the days. When you could be shouted down for three entire days and then forgotten the next. I remember Persona Mafia was me waxing poetic by myself in the middle of the night for a few pages while everyone else just watched.

 

[Natiko]

Monkey is definitely someone I want to look at someone to make a case for. I don't trust her 'should I claim? I'll claim if I have to' bit at all. It feels so much like LP and Fanto trying to drip feed their claims because they're fine tuning it on the go.

Boy, those were the days. When you could be shouted down for three entire days and then forgotten the next. I remember Persona Mafia was me waxing poetic by myself in the middle of the night for a few pages while everyone else just watched.

I remember Persona Mafia was me repeatedly screwing Fran over on the way to winning as neutral in my first game, all thanks to Sorian hard defending me the entire time because I didn't know mafia got access to their chat in advance of game start lol

 

[Verelios]

I remember Persona Mafia was me repeatedly screwing Fran over on the way to winning as neutral in my first game, all thanks to Sorian hard defending me the entire time because I didn't know mafia got access to their chat in advance of game start lol

It was a wild game. Mistakes were made, days were tumbled through. At least Nat rising was born.

 

[Neki]

This is the most emotion Kopite has shown all game

 

[Neki]

I'm very uncomfortable with Koplite putting both Monkey and Sparks on his scum list and Monkey claiming alignment cop but only picking the easy targets + Koplite.

 

[Verelios]

This is the most emotion Kopite has shown all game

Lol. What do you think of Monkey's claim?

 

[Verelios]

I'm very uncomfortable with Koplite putting both Monkey and Sparks on his scum list and Monkey claiming alignment cop but only picking the easy targets + Koplite.

It's weird. I don't know what to think about this, but we likely won't vote there today out of pre-caution.

 

[Neki]

I find it hard to believe that both Koplite and Monkey are both town. That would make the liquid mafia team some weird combination of ephi/kalor/HP?

 

[Neki]

There's no way that can be right

 

[Verelios]

I find it hard to believe that both Koplite and Monkey are both town. That would make the liquid mafia team some weird combination of ephi/kalor/HP?

Lol, no way is Kalor scum. Ephi possibly. HP, I dunno.

 

[Neki]

I mean if we end up flipping monkey and it's town, we know she was being genuine about Kopite at the very least. Flipping kopite won't clear monkey though. I'm a crossroads here.

 

[Verelios]

I mean if we end up flipping monkey and it's town, we know she was being genuine about Kopite at the very least. Flipping kopite won't clear monkey though. I'm a crossroads here.

So who is still a ??? In play?

Just Ephi and Stan?

 

[Neki]

Ephi/Stan and the lovers HP/Zipped. And sparks too of course. Leo could have also lied but I highly doubt it.