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[Natiko]

If I don't ask I'm just going to keep wondering.

@Natiko

Is a player informed when they have a bomb planted on them?

Is a player informed when they are infected with standard Foxdie?

Yes to both.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Sooooo yeah we have to use that shot on Jman. Guessing we have someone that can cure FOXDIE too. That’s a yikes.

 

[Fanto]

Yep, ok, so... RIP Jman lol.

 

[Chuggernaut]

We can probably infect someone with FOXDIE, wait and see if they say something about it tomorrow, and see if the person claims to give us someone better to target but I don’t know why they would

 

[Chuggernaut]

NOW YOU LOOK HERE BLARG

 

[Fanto]

Well, let's wait for the flip, but overall I think we had a good D1.

Chugg had some side eyes, but it's nothing insurmountable, just D1 stuff.

Most people seem ok with me, and I'm pretty sure Monkey has me as Town, so that's good.

Ephi is doing good, no negative attention, seems to be getting along well with her Fate friends.

LP is being neither seen nor heard.

So overall, nicely done team, we're looking good!

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Since fulfilling the bomb/infect win condition seems incredibly hard with it being public and a claimed defuser, we could just not do anything at night. This has the added benefit of casting doubt on jman.

But since that seems boring, we could just target our strongest scum reads and use them as a pseudo cop check if they don't reveal or have one of their teammates claim it instead. But it's likely they'll just claim and ask for help so we're boned.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I’m slightly annoyed because I’m legit trying to solve, but I’m trying to get a green check also so whatever lol

 

[Chuggernaut]

Yeah I was thinking the trick here might be to just wait until we’ve whittled town down a bit before doing our thing, but we probably have a cop running around so we’re just out in the open

 

[Fanto]

Yeah I'm still thinking about our options with the bombs/FOXDIE.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Why wouldn’t you claim that

 

[Fanto]

Ok, so that's why Ty4on didn't claim lmao. "I'm Tony Hawk, the Town JOAT" doesn't have the best ring to it lol.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I could use my watcher in a town way in the meantime?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Ok, so that's why Ty4on didn't claim lmao. "I'm Tony Hawk, the Town JOAT" doesn't have the best ring to it lol.

I mean it’s so god damn out there, that I don’t know why you don’t. Even then he could just mention the flavor says he’s Raiden

 

[Fanto]

Extremely cool role though lmao, I love it Natiko.

 

[Fanto]

He has to manual to keep up the combo every other night, *chef's kiss*

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Sick role

 

[Chuggernaut]

Nat when we adding Tony Hawks Pro Skater to game night

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

No mention of what happens if he loses his combo, though (doesn't submit, submits wrong action).

 

[Ephidel]

I could use my watcher in a town way in the meantime?

The way I read your role you watch who you roleblock, I don't think it's independent?
So unless you can talk your way out of everyone you watch being incapable of acting it might be a bit iffy.

 

[Fanto]

Yeah, Chugg both roleblocks and watches his target at night.

Here's our list of night actions:
Chugg - Roleblock/Watch
Fanto - Normal Bomb and/or 1-Shot Vote Bomb
LP - Normal FOXDIE and/or 1-Shot instant FOXDIE

So we can ponder on targets for those, or whether or not we want to use something.

 

[Chuggernaut]

The way I read your role you watch who you roleblock, I don't think it's independent?
So unless you can talk your way out of everyone you watch being incapable of acting it might be a bit iffy.

I could always use it on Jman tonight because we know he’s not going to be defusing any bombs. Decent little built in excuse

 

[Fanto]

I could always use it on Jman tonight because we know he’s not going to be defusing any bombs. Decent little built in excuse

Not a bad idea tbh, I could see him being a target for PRs. I guess alternatives would be to try guessing who the other Scum team kills as a Town Watcher might, just a bit riskier if you get it wrong due to the roleblock.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Or I could go say hi to Monkey and Maol. Might get me some town cred there if someone else pops in if they end up dying. Unless we have one of those coward scum teams who goes for the low info kills on night one

 

[Ephidel]

I have been invited to a gossip chat with Zem, so I will now be being very careful which thread I click on.

 

[Fanto]

I feel like the most straightforward play we can make is this:
Instant FOXDIE on Jman, we know that he is a direct counter to us specifically, so using our one best kill option on him feels like the kind of thing it's there for.

Probably treat the Roleblock/Watch as a Roleblock first, and take the Watcher results as a little treat. For N1 though, I'm not sure, because I think our main RB target should be whoever counters LP, and I don't think we have hints for who that is yet. FOXDIE did get mentioned in the thread once by Stan I think, so maybe someone breadcrumbed something, idk.

As for who we target with Bombs/FOXDIE:
If we take out Jman, then my bombs are no longer able to be countered. I would probably try to place them on people we think are going to live a long time, so there's a higher chance of there being bombs around on people in the late game. That's my first instinct at least.

For the FOXDIE, I suppose it's up for discussions, because whoever is countering that is likely less antsy than Jman and knows not to reveal that sort of info, and people will most likely claim they were injected, so I'm not sure how we want to handle that. We def want to be on the lookout for breadcrumbs from the counter role though after someone claims the FOXDIE.

 

[Fanto]

I have been invited to a gossip chat with Zem, so I will now be being very careful which thread I click on.

Damn, lucky you! I was hoping I would get invited to a Gossip chat lol.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I have been invited to a gossip chat with Zem, so I will now be being very careful which thread I click on.

Do not pull a me. You will feel not good :(

 

[Chuggernaut]

I feel like the most straightforward play we can make is this:
Instant FOXDIE on Jman, we know that he is a direct counter to us specifically, so using our one best kill option on him feels like the kind of thing it's there for.

Probably treat the Roleblock/Watch as a Roleblock first, and take the Watcher results as a little treat. For N1 though, I'm not sure, because I think our main RB target should be whoever counters LP, and I don't think we have hints for who that is yet. FOXDIE did get mentioned in the thread once by Stan I think, so maybe someone breadcrumbed something, idk.

As for who we target with Bombs/FOXDIE:
If we take out Jman, then my bombs are no longer able to be countered. I would probably try to place them on people we think are going to live a long time, so there's a higher chance of there being bombs around on people in the late game. That's my first instinct at least.

For the FOXDIE, I suppose it's up for discussions, because whoever is countering that is likely less antsy than Jman and knows not to reveal that sort of info, and people will most likely claim they were injected, so I'm not sure how we want to handle that. We def want to be on the lookout for breadcrumbs from the counter role though after someone claims the FOXDIE.

Yeah it’s the most straightforward play. It’s probably the best move. So FOXDIE Jman, and have you throw out a bomb tonight? Guess I could just sit rather than risk doing something scummy.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I probably don’t have an excuse to not watch Jman tonight if I am going for that. Gives us a clue on who else might be town if we use it too if someone comes to visit. Big issue is that I have to lie about seeing LP there, otherwise I’m screwed too if he flips

 

[Chuggernaut]

Er I mean I have to lie about him being there but I’m screwed if he flips

 

[Fanto]

Yeah it’s the most straightforward play. It’s probably the best move. So FOXDIE Jman, and have you throw out a bomb tonight? Guess I could just sit rather than risk doing something scummy.

Yeah, I'm looking at people I think are going to live a long time, first instinct is someone like HPSauce or SkyOdin, people that are generally well-received enough to not be major vote targets over other people, but also not quite townie enough to be kill targets at night. Someone like Kalor might fit in there too, or Aeleus.

 

[Fanto]

I probably don’t have an excuse to not watch Jman tonight if I am going for that. Gives us a clue on who else might be town if we use it too if someone comes to visit. Big issue is that I have to lie about seeing LP there, otherwise I’m screwed too if he flips

Er I mean I have to lie about him being there but I’m screwed if he flips

This is probably why you don't want to target Jman yeah, it would definitely tie you to LP too much.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Yeah those are all pretty solid picks

 

[Chuggernaut]

This is probably why you don't want to target Jman yeah, it would definitely tie you to LP too much.

Yeah you’re right.

Alright what dumb stip can I put on my role claim that gives me a reason not to target Jman

 

[Fanto]

Yeah you’re right.

Alright what dumb stip can I put on my role claim that gives me a reason not to target Jman

Hmmm, idk, just off the top of my head, you could say that on odd nights you're a passive self watcher, and even nights you can target whoever you want. But that would mean you probably don't use your ability at all on odd nights if you want to stay in character the whole time lol.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Okay wait

 

[Chuggernaut]

@Natiko if I use it on myself do I actually get results or do I just role block myself and get nothing. Can I target myself?

 

[Fanto]

Good question lol.

 

[Chuggernaut]

BP self watcher is actually a pretty solid little claim

 

[Fanto]

BP self watcher is actually a pretty solid little claim

That actually seems pretty OP tbh lol.

 

[Ephidel]

Yeah, I'm looking at people I think are going to live a long time, first instinct is someone like HPSauce or SkyOdin, people that are generally well-received enough to not be major vote targets over other people, but also not quite townie enough to be kill targets at night. Someone like Kalor might fit in there too, or Aeleus.

Not sure about Odin, he talked about his history of being voted out early during the Fate game. Not to say it's going to happen this game, but it means it's happened before.
HP definitely qualifies as someone who's managed to stick around the last few games though.

 

[Chuggernaut]

That actually seems pretty OP tbh lol.

Laid the groundwork a bit where I can claim the bomber is the way through my shit, and on top of this being bastard I can probablyyyyy spin it?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Not sure about Odin, he talked about his history of being voted out early during the Fate game. Not to say it's going to happen this game, but it means it's happened before.
HP definitely qualifies as someone who's managed to stick around the last few games though.

Nah, I don’t see it happening here. Dudes seem to be null to town read right now, so I don’t see him being a target for a while.

 

[Natiko]

@Natiko if I use it on myself do I actually get results or do I just role block myself and get nothing. Can I target myself?

You cause a tear in the fabric of reality as you are both blocking yourself, but only doing so by using the action blocked. The tear grows ever larger and sucks all in. The last thing you see before blipping out of existence is a goose. It honks.

Spoiler

You just roleblock yourself and thus get no watcher results.

 

[Chuggernaut]

You cause a tear in the fabric of reality as you are both blocking yourself, but only doing so by using the action blocked. The tear grows ever larger and sucks all in. The last thing you see before blipping out of existence is a goose. It honks.

Spoiler

You just roleblock yourself and thus get no watcher results.

Okay, but what if I want to tear reality asunder

 

[Natiko]

Okay, but what if I want to tear reality asunder

Don’t let me stop you

 

[Fanto]

I'll go ahead and put in my Bomb command on HPSauce, then I'll likely be working on a pre-typed post for tomorrow, since people, especially Monkey, will be expecting that.

PLANT: HPSauce


I am also wondering what I should say for a fake claim if I end up getting tracked or whatever. Since I won't have any results, I'd rather not try to fake those, so something else would be preferable.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I'll go ahead and put in my Bomb command on HPSauce, then I'll likely be working on a pre-typed post for tomorrow, since people, especially Monkey, will be expecting that.

PLANT: HPSauce


I am also wondering what I should say for a fake claim if I end up getting tracked or whatever. Since I won't have any results, I'd rather not try to fake those, so something else would be preferable.

Sleepwalker?

 

[Fanto]

Sleepwalker?

That's definitely a "yikes" claim lol, not sure if I can work it in with any of the flavor either, except mayyyybe for Paz.

 

[Chuggernaut]

That's definitely a "yikes" claim lol, not sure if I can work it in with any of the flavor either, except mayyyybe for Paz.

Yeah, that was just first thing that came to mind. I feel like that's something you come out and claim pretty early too, so probably best not to do that. Let me think on it.

 

[Natiko]

I'll go ahead and put in my Bomb command on HPSauce, then I'll likely be working on a pre-typed post for tomorrow, since people, especially Monkey, will be expecting that.

PLANT: HPSauce


I am also wondering what I should say for a fake claim if I end up getting tracked or whatever. Since I won't have any results, I'd rather not try to fake those, so something else would be preferable.

Command received

 

[Fanto]

God this pre-typed post is gunna be so long lol, I'm gunna have to put all of the analysis into spoiler tags and just do a TL;DR at the end.

I guarantee it wins me more Town points with Monkey though lol, there's no way she'll think I was faking this.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I think we shouldn't do anything tonight besides the RB. We have defensive abilities; we should leverage our advantage as a hidden, second non town team. Even if one of us flips we're not a priority for town since we lack a faction kill.

 

[Ephidel]

That could depend if the first one to go down is one of us or one of them.
Are town even going to scrutinise a pm enough to realise the kill isn't there rather than going fuck yeah, we got scum? It wasn't even obvious to us at first.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

I won't be around before actions lock so I'll submit the infection on jman. If you want to override and save it for later, go ahead.

Instant Infection: jman

 

[Natiko]

I won't be around before actions lock so I'll submit the infection on jman. If you want to override and save it for later, go ahead.

Instant Infection: jman

Command received

 

[Ephidel]

I'm good with the infection on Jman. We literally can't win via Fanto while he's alive anyway, even if he never defuses a bomb we also can't plant one on him so that potential wincon is void as long as he's part of the numbers.

Based on Fanto/Jman if there's an LP counter it's probably immune to infection anyway and that's the only other pressing target in a mechanical sense.

It just depends if you'd rather hold it back for a player based thorn in the side.

 

[Fanto]

I can understand the argument of wanting to lay low, but I think with Jman revealing himself to us, it would be a worse play to not just take him out as quickly as we can. The other Scum team probably thinks the Bomb stuff is a Neutral, like an Arsonist style thing, so they probably don't care too much about him. I think using the instant FOXDIE on him is basically the best use case we have for it, and it lets us actually make plays for one of our alternate win cons really early.

 

[Fanto]

Also, @Natiko, quick question that I assume I know the answer to, but want to clarify for sure.

If I use the Vote Bomb on someone, is it only active for the next day, or will it be on them for the rest of the game?

 

[Natiko]

Also, @Natiko, quick question that I assume I know the answer to, but want to clarify for sure.

If I use the Vote Bomb on someone, is it only active for the next day, or will it be on them for the rest of the game?

Rest of the game

 

[Fanto]

That's what I figured, but good to know.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Is this game like half MGS flavoured and half whatever Nat dreams at night?

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Don't answer that

 

[Fanto]

I did not have a pretyped but I'm gonna go read Fanto's now

Ok, moment of truth, crossing my fingers that she doesn't yell at me and call me Scum lol.

Is this game like half MGS flavoured and half whatever Nat dreams at night?

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The Tony Hawk thing is from MGS2 where they had a skateboarding mini game.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Man, I knew the other scum team were cowards. Fun flip, but what a boring kill. Do better other team

 

[Fanto]

I'm town. Fanto is town.

 

[Fanto]

Chugg, I regret to inform you, but if Monkey and Faddy both think you are Scum, I have no choice but to Scum read you too lol.

I just need to make it look believable, like they convinced me.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Chugg, I regret to inform you, but if Monkey and Faddy both think you are Scum, I have no choice but to Scum read you too lol.

I just need to make it look believable, like they convinced me.

Alright. Bus me if you have to. Going to push back on Monkey a bit and see if I can change her mind

 

[Fanto]

Alright. Bus me if you have to. Going to push back on Monkey a bit and see if I can change her mind

I mean, if you somehow get out of it, then that's great, but Town Fanto probably would not stick up for you if I'm town-reading Monkey and Faddy and they both think you are Scum, I'm going to look into it and probably agree.

I won't vote for you right away just so that if other topics happen and votes elsewhere take off, you'll be left behind, but I probably will have to concede to their reads if they continue to push you as Scum. I just don't think I can believably cover for you while maintaining my own cover in that scenario, which sucks.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I mean, if you somehow get out of it, then that's great, but Town Fanto probably would not stick up for you if I'm town-reading Monkey and Faddy and they both think you are Scum, I'm going to look into it and probably agree.

I won't vote for you right away just so that if other topics happen and votes elsewhere take off, you'll be left behind, but I probably will have to concede to their reads if they continue to push you as Scum. I just don't think I can believably cover for you while maintaining my own cover in that scenario, which sucks.

No yeah, I get you. You have to more important role here anyway so again, whatever you gotta do.

 

[Fanto]

Ooo, nice, Ambulance sticking up for you a bit with the Null read. If it's possible, I can maybe use that kind of rhetoric to keep you from being a vote today. It depends on if I can make it a believable read or not.

 

[Fanto]

This is going to be tough to navigate, when Monkey sinks her teeth in to her target, they rarely escape alive.

 

[Fanto]

Hopefully someone green checked you last night and decides to save you from this fate, wouldn't that be dope? Lol

 

[Fanto]

At least Maol doesn't seem to buy it yet, that's good. Maybe Maol is on Other Scum Outer Scum Scum Heaven Liquid Scum?

I request that we refer to "the other Scum team" as "Liquid Scum" from now on, thank you.

 

[Fanto]

Fanto is also good in my list, that post was a lot of work. I haven't played with her as scum, so I don't know if she would could actually put that effort to get town cred,

 

[Chuggernaut]

If I'm caught I'm 100% outing the second scum team on the way out just by the by

 

[Chuggernaut]

I am legit kind of annoyed here because that was some genuine work I put into that Ty read. Really would not have been shocked if he flipped scum.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Also Fanto, do you know of any flavor reason why Venom Snake might only be able to target on certain nights?

 

[Fanto]

the second scum team

*taps the sign*

I request that we refer to "the other Scum team" as "Liquid Scum" from now on, thank you.

 

[Fanto]

Also Fanto, do you know of any flavor reason why Venom Snake might only be able to target on certain nights?

Give me a bit to think, because I probably can tbh.

 

[Fanto]

Oh, perfect!

You have to return to Mother Base on odd or even nights or whatever.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Oh, perfect!

You have to return to Mother Base on odd or even nights or whatever.

You're a god damn life saver

 

[Chuggernaut]

Yeah, liquid scum team. Fuck 'em

 

[Chuggernaut]

Think I'm going to leave the role block part out. Could get me in trouble later, but I don't know how I work that into the role without seeming like scum

 

[Fanto]

Dude, what if Maol has a green check on you?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Dude, what if Maol has a green check on you?

Oooooooh that would explain a lot

 

[Chuggernaut]

Yeah he bread crumbed that check hard if he's the cop so that tracks and would explain why I'm all of sudden best friend of Maol. I guess we'll see

 

[Fanto]

This most recent post from him feels even more like a breadcrumb.

I think he green checked you dude lmao.

 

[Fanto]

I'm heading out for the night now though, just got done eating.

I'll check back in later and see what I can do then, because I really think that's what Maol is trying to make clear to people who can read between the lines. I don't feel nearly as pressured to say you're Scum in that case lol.

Sorry for constantly telling you I'm going to bus you and then taking it back lol.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I'm heading out for the night now though, just got done eating.

I'll check back in later and see what I can do then, because I really think that's what Maol is trying to make clear to people who can read between the lines. I don't feel nearly as pressured to say you're Scum in that case lol.

Sorry for constantly telling you I'm going to bus you and then taking it back lol.

It's okay. One of these days you'll get to bus me I'm sure

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Ephi did you learn anything from your gossip chat?

 

[Chuggernaut]

See I went into this being all "Oh sick there's another scum team so I can just play my town game." and I legit don't think these are my scum tells, but there's nothing I can really do at this point and my brain is just fried. Going to go do something else for a while and I'll try to be back tomorrow.

Just going to play all games like LP from now on.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Think Maol is going to sit on that check which is honestly the smart play in a game like this. Going to give it 12 or so hours, and if I'm still not feeling it I might just start open wolfing because I seriously I don't know how the fuck I'm going to get out of this. Bus if you need to, but Fanto you might consider pretending you found the bread crumb because that's a very you thing and I'm going to out Maol to the other scum team on the way out

 

[Fanto]

Think Maol is going to sit on that check which is honestly the smart play in a game like this. Going to give it 12 or so hours, and if I'm still not feeling it I might just start open wolfing because I seriously I don't know how the fuck I'm going to get out of this. Bus if you need to, but Fanto you might consider pretending you found the bread crumb because that's a very you thing and I'm going to out Maol to the other scum team on the way out

Wait, what do you mean by "pretend I found the bread crumb"?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Wait, what do you mean by "pretend I found the bread crumb"?

I was going to say to just town read me so it looks like you picked up on it on a reread, but actually that's probably a bad idea. If we turn out to be wrong about Maol that'll look funky

 

[Fanto]

I still think I might Town read you and do that lol, or at least, somehow hint at the fact, idk, I'm still figuring out how I want to approach this because Monkey lol.

 

[Chuggernaut]

She's operating on like Super Saiyan 3 levels right now and it's terrifying

 

[Fanto]

Also Monkey has to get the hint from Maol eventually right? Lol, like, come on, how has she not figured that out yet lol.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I feel like she's so into this read that she's missing it. Or maybe she did, but Maol waffling on it a bit made her keep going at it.