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Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I think I'm gunna do a thing where I say that I agree with Maol about you, and maybe try to like hint to him that I'm picking up on that to see if it makes him crumb some more maybe.

Like, I really don't think I'm seeing things here, those posts from Maol where he immediately tried to shut down Scum reads on you are just like, that's what you do as a Cop when you know someone is Town but you can't say it out loud yet lol, you just randomly hard Town read them with little to no explanation or sensible progression. I'm pretty sure I've done that myself as a Cop. And to you even if I remember right lol.
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Fanto said:
I think I'm gunna do a thing where I say that I agree with Maol about you, and maybe try to like hint to him that I'm picking up on that to see if it makes him crumb some more maybe.

Like, I really don't think I'm seeing things here, those posts from Maol where he immediately tried to shut down Scum reads on you are just like, that's what you do as a Cop when you know someone is Town but you can't say it out loud yet lol, you just randomly hard Town read them with little to no explanation or sensible progression. I'm pretty sure I've done that myself as a Cop. And to you even if I remember right lol.
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Yeah, I've seen it happen a lot. Like once you pointed it out I was all "Oh yeah he's cop as fuck, huh?"
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
There we go, Maol just listed you first in his top 3 Town reads.

He totally has a green on you lol.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I tried to hint at it to Monkey in my response to her again too where she told me to read his posts again or whatever. I was like yeah, I read them, I think I pick up what he's putting down lol. Hopefully that makes her reread his posts lol.
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
As I just said in the thread, sorry I completely vanished, I had to dash out unexpectedly.
I'm also sorry I seem to have drawn heat by being absent.

I'm going to try and catch up and then get back in to things and also answer that question about my Zem chat.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Haven't read the thread but we're not even 24 hours into the phase so just give it time. Pulling an LP might be advisable for now.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I think the Ynnek wagon will definitely be a thing, that's why I moved my vote there last night before I went to bed. No one is going to bat for him, he's not really doing himself any favors today yet, and even Monkey thinks he's Scum too.
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I was thinking about claiming, but I'm preparing for that to get just ripped to shreds by Monkey, and I'm still just out of energy. Also this way let's one of you use Venom Snake. I really don't have a way to combat this because I think her reasoning is wrong, but she also just...knows me as a person too well. So I don't see myself convincing her I'm town because I know her well enough to know I can't. Liquid scum team is absolutely jumping on the easy train here as well and that's going to be impossible to fight off. I really think this is a lost cause unless Maol comes in with the save, and I don't see him doing that.

Going to give it some more time, but I might just start open wolfing late tonight if things still look to be where they stand. At least we can maybe get Liquid Scum to make some better god damn kills
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
I decided to go ahead and play follower there for now and spin wider to try and implicate others in the process because it was all I could think of to do.
I'll avoid voting for the moment because my votes are spotty enough that I can probably get away with it.

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You also asked how my chat with Zem went before and I never answered.

I mostly focused on trying to make a new friend. We commiserated on the way the day ended, talked about how we both thought ty was going to flip scum or neutral, and came out feeling Shirou was towny because he kept pushing back.

I spent a decent chunk of time spinning a potential scum read of Aeleus and moaning about not trusting Jman. I figured I'd just go in on making Jman be my big dumb wrong read to start the game with considering I know it will be proven sooner rather than later.

I basically let him talk and tried not to cut off any if his suspicions. That first post in the thread today was basically created in the chat.

He was suspicious of the folks on the ty vote, which included himself and me.
He didn't like Faddys back and forth on the Zeke vote, thought he was misrepresenting it.
Was sure there was scum in the no voters, most suspicious of nin (who I did say I felt good about).
I also suggested HPs vote was suspicious and he made a joke today that implies he considered it imo.

He was also suspicious of ATP, thought he was aggressive and didn't like him trying to set up Chuggs as a follow up vote to ty, and wondered if the argument the two of you had at one point was bussing. So yeah, I used that today.

As for him/his power, he says it lets him invite a new person each time, and also he said he was probably going for Shirou next. I encouraged that because I'm friends with him and thought he was towny... and it's mean to say, but I doubt he'll get much out of it.
Also said I'd love to put our heads together again if he's up for it later, but warned him to be a bit more careful about how open he is with his thoughts on future nights in case he invites scum to join him and gives them an excuse to shut him up before he can post his thoughts in thread.

He's familiar with flavour and the games fwiw - he would have consisered excusing ty based on it and he shared a link to the skateboard minigame when I said I wouldnt have.
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
If you would rather I try to fight out of this or try to make a claim I'll give it a shot, but this feels like trying to fight a tornado. I'll do whatever I'm going to do in about 6 hours
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
TheChuggernaut said:
If you would rather I try to fight out of this or try to make a claim I'll give it a shot, but this feels like trying to fight a tornado. I'll do whatever I'm going to do in about 6 hours
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Personally, I think you should try to fight it. We still have another 24 hours or so, and as we all know, most votes are not settled until theres an hour or less left in the day.

Basically, I would just advise against open-wolfing until theres only a few minutes left in the day and your wagon has an insurmountable number of votes compared to the next. And only do it after claiming and if no one buys it.

Try to continue being Town Chugg and don't get too defensive, if you only focus on the reads on you and not on trying to find Scum, people will notice. Maybe try reaching out to Maol for a lifeline too, I'm almost positive he has a green check on you and wants to work with you to find Scum today, so you could try using that to your advantage maybe.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Faddy said:
I feel like Fanto is town. The opening day post is literally cheating if Fanto is scum.
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Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I really think we have a chance to push for Ynnek over you today, Chugg, that's my hope right now.

I'm definitely going to fight for it hard, and it also has Monkey's blessing because she seems pretty into Ynnek as Scum too.

The one thing that sucks is I just realized that I won't be around for the last hour of EoD tomorrow, I have my therapy appointment one hour before EoD, and it lasts like 50-55 minutes, so at best I would barely be able to get in at the end, and I wouldn't be able to catch up at all unless it was dead quiet in there.

I'm going to try my best to push for Ynnek though all the way up to when I have to leave.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Is our win condition posted with our flip? That basically confirms the existence of a bomber and a poisoner aka at least a 3 person team. But I guess it also proves they're benign?
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Yeah, I'm guessing it probably is posted as well. Town should be able to realize we're a non-killing Scum team if one of us flips.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I just thought of some more flavor for your role, and figured maybe I could ask you something and then you can respond with my answer that I give to you in here lol.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Actually, maybe it wouldn't be good, since it involves an item, and items could be player's flavor as well lol.

Nevermind lol.
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
If you've preprepared any answers to questions you're kinda expecting and are looking for an excuse to post them, let me know
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Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
Fuck, Chuggs, I just realised I'm going to have to bus you a bit because your claim is inconsistant with your previous one and a brief iso of my rather small post count makes it fucking obvious that I know that and I can do without that suspicion on me .

Because I'm going to need to point out you said your role had something bomby in it because I pointed that out to jman before
TheChuggernaut said:
A bomber also made sense to me with the role I have, but I’m not going into more detail than that.
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Ideally Id prefer to do it when you're around so you can answer reflexively with an excuse rather than it hanging in the thread to look worse without an answer, but I'm at work so I dunno how long I can wait or for easy it will be for me to sneak off for a loo break. It will look way worse if Jman checks in and remembers and points it out first.

Do you know when you're going to be around?

@TheChuggernaut
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Ephidel said:
Fuck, Chuggs, I just realised I'm going to have to bus you a bit because your claim is inconsistant with your previous one and a brief iso of my rather small post count makes it fucking obvious that I know that and I can do without that suspicion on me .

Because I'm going to need to point out you said your role had something bomby in it because I pointed that out to jman before


Ideally Id prefer to do it when you're around so you can answer reflexively with an excuse rather than it hanging in the thread to look worse without an answer, but I'm at work so I dunno how long I can wait or for easy it will be for me to sneak off for a loo break. It will look way worse if Jman checks in and remembers and points it out first.

Do you know when you're going to be around?

@TheChuggernaut
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I’m here. The passive part of my ability is meant to address that. The hint there is that it’s a BP which lines up with a bomb countering it
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Two thoughts:

1. I really hope one of us doesn't get NKed but Fanto is like top town.

2. Wonder if this is scum Monkey here. I lightly defended Chuggs and she didn't reply to it at all. Meanwhile she skewered Maol's defense. She's also giving out lots of town points but not a lot of scum ones. Reminds me of MafiEra where we were both scum; her arguments weren't infallible there.
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
Done.

Also.

I have also been entertaining terrible idea, and I decided I might as well float it.
I will not be at all offended if you go "lol no, that's a convoluted mess".

If you actually think you can survive today, you could claim you watched Jman expecting a possible kill , but as nothing happened to him you don't want to out the possible protective/investigative role you saw visit h im, and stick firm on that.

As far as the thread is concerned that's fine, Jman is still here.

... Jman is going to die at day end.

It should be fairly obvious he was actively targeted right?
I just don't know if the typical assumption would be delayed action or day action.
I'm too caught up in that "curse of knowing" :eyes:

If delayed is a reasonable assumption could we use that?
You could go on the aggressive and come into the thread fighting, picking his visitor to out for the delayed kill at next day start. The iffy bit being you'd have to pick someone you've said good things about or rather little about because as far as your claim is concerned at the moment you think they might have a protective or investigative role. And then hope they can't counterclaim their way out of it convincingly themselves.

Of course if you did manage to pursue their death you'd die after that because their flip would reveal you were a lying liar. But if you think you're on borrowed time anyway because of Monkey, it could be an option
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Sorry Chuggs I'll wait a bit but I'll likely bus you. I'll probably mention how your drip feed claim reminded me of my own in EastEnders.
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Lone_Prodigy said:
Sorry Chuggs I'll wait a bit but I'll likely bus you. I'll probably mention how your drip feed claim reminded me of my own in EastEnders.
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That’s fine. Going to give it 45 minutes, and I’m going to get some info out there to the other scum team. Going to tell town about the second scum team, scum about Maol being the cop, and I’ll probably say I watched Jman and I’ll out someone for being there that night under the logic that I’m giving info to scum. Probably ATP or someone. Could get them in trouble when Jman dies
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Want to give it a bit, but I’m not going to be able to check the game soon and I don’t want to get turbo’d when I’m not looking. Let me know if there’s any info you don’t want me giving out
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Okay well that absolutely had the effect I hoped it would and they seem to be rushing off a cliff now, so you’re all probably good for a bit. Good luck!
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ok, just got through EoD.

Woof.

I think I can still spin myself in a positive light tomorrow though, assuming I don't get night killed.

I will have to just be clear that I thought I was reading a green-check breadcrumb from Maol, and that clearly whether I was right or wrong about that, it colored how I viewed Chugg during the day.

I think as long as I lay out exactly how I was seeing the game on D2, and exactly why, it should take some heat off me.

I can also still push Ynnek as a possible partner because I made sure to agree with that when Vere mentioned it, and we'll see what other bullshit I can spin up when I go over everything and make a pre-typed for tomorrow.


As for us, night action wise, we don't have our RB/Watch anymore. I'll find another good "likely not to die" target to throw a bomb at, and then I suppose it's up to you if you want to try infecting someone LP.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Oh, wait... hmmm..

Should I maybe put the Vote Bomb on Ynnek? There is a high chance he gets pushed as a Chugg partner tomorrow or in later days, and that will likely be my main thing that I'll be pushing for.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Damn, that's legit though.

Hmmm, I'll think on that some more. Let me know what you guys think, if maybe we should go for a Vote Bomb or I just continue doing the normal ones for now.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm thinking of putting my bomb on Kalor.

He seems to still be a major Null for most people, and pushing a Kalor vote is usually hard because of that, as seen today, most people will have a stronger read than Kalor. He's also very unlikely to be killed by Scum because he's not usually a strong voice until way later in the game.

I'm open to other ideas, but I'll probably submit this one later tonight unless anyone has concerns.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I can also do the Vote Bomb on Ynnek, but I'm not totally sure he'll be the vote tomorrow. I do plan to push for it though by calling him Chugg's partner.

Just not sure which is the better long term play. Also, if I were to get NK'd, it might be better for the Vote Bomb to at least be out there so we at least have a chance to get our other kill, so that's something to consider too. I am very high on a lot of Town lists, but I'm not sure if I'll stay there tomorrow due to me obviously going to bat for Chugg, people will need to buy my story about picking up on Maol's crumbs and rolling with it, which in and of itself is kind of sus because Chugg called it out, so people could see it as, I'm saying that because it was what the Scum team thought. Ugh.
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
I'm still getting over the fact things swung so much after I left. That sucks. I'm sorry Chuggs :(
But I laughed at the callout post.

You do have that "I think I'm picking up what you're putting down" or whatever it was post so at least you did have that in the thread to point to, it's not like you're trying to bullshit that you saw things after the fact.
Being wrong isn't being scummy, and you weren't alone in resisting the train.
You trusted Chuggs, you picked up clues you thought he was safe, and you had another read you felt more strongly and that you pursued and that other people agreed with. You're convincing. I think you can probably get away with it.

I'm tempted to say put the vote bomb out there.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ephidel said:
I'm still getting over the fact things swung so much after I left. That sucks. I'm sorry Chuggs :(
But I laughed at the callout post.

You do have that "I think I'm picking up what you're putting down" or whatever it was post so at least you did have that in the thread to point to, it's not like you're trying to bullshit that you saw things after the fact.
Being wrong isn't being scummy, and you weren't alone in resisting the train.
You trusted Chuggs, you picked up clues you thought he was safe, and you had another read you felt more strongly and that you pursued and that other people agreed with. You're convincing. I think you can probably get away with it.

I'm tempted to say put the vote bomb out there.
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I'm mainly worried about Monkey, Faddy, and Vere tbh, especially if more than one of them catches a scent on me and start agreeing with each other, *shivers*

But yeah, I've got an outline for my pre-typed in my head already, and I'm going to go over my Chugg read so that I can point to why I thought he was Town now that it's in the open anyway. Maol doesn't even need to confirm or deny anything, it's just all based on my interpretations and there's in-thread evidence to support that's what I was thinking like you said, not just my behavior.

And yeah, I'll let LP weigh in too, but I think I'm leaning towards the Vote Bomb on Ynnek for now, his days are numbered either way.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Kenny is fine. Even one of us could be a decent target; claim you have it to discourage being voted out (say you were notified about a special bomb being put on you).

Might just sit tight tonight because I don't want to run into a tracker.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Alright, I'll go ahead and throw it on Ynnek, hopefully we can push him for tomorrow and make it go boom.

VOTE BOMB: Ynnek7
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm still here, so I'm guessing I'm not dead unless Natiko is going to pull me out right at day start lol.

I wasn't quite able to finish my whole pre-typed post last night, got too tired to do a bunch of analysis, but I'm still going to post what I had down.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Basically going to play a bit sub optimally from here on out because I don't want to look too town.

Really think there's something with Fate and the lack of reaction reaffirms it for me, but I'm going to step back from him for now.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Also why pick jman? Sure a defuser is important but so is top town.

Her claim just reminds me of her fake one in Risk. Sketchy and inconsistent.

Hawthorn, I think you're a great player but work on your fake claims. :P
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Oof Fanto why the flip flop there. Say something about how you're still half awake and will revisit at EoD aka pull an LP.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Ugh I want to go in there so badly and yell at everyone. Even Monkey is going "we don't know about all the roles" when just earlier she was slapping down Kalor for saying there wasn't enough info.

This is likely town ATP. Scum ATP doesn't go back and vote for Kenny and doesn't deny the existence of a second scum team.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Kalor said:
Hawthorns role is convenient and my suspicion is growing as I read more after their claim. Largely because we got yet another role block claim afterwards and there has to be a lie somewhere about these role blocks. I thought I had a decent handle on the potential of this game at the start of the day but who knows now.
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Kalor said:
Only being able to do one per night would make sense. Bombs N1 and FOXDIE N2. Which would explains the lack of FOXDIE mentions yesterday. But then that leaves JMans death in a weird spot.

The actual answer right now is that we don't have enough information and it's probably not worth getting into the weeds over. It happened and not much else we can guess.
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So...which is it?
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Nah it's fine. Kalor is becoming the spicy third wagon, or is it the fourth?

I'm sitting on Hawthorn. If you and Ephi stay on Kalor it's a good split.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Well then, let's see this Hawthorn flip. Hoping for some sweet, sweet, Town cred if she flips as Liquid Scum lol.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ok, Town flip lol.

Then in that case, I hope it makes it easier for Liquid to kill someone tonight lol.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
For our night acitons, I'm kind of wary of using a Bomb tonight because I feel like I'm just sus enough to get Tracked at this point, but also, it would be nice to stay at least 1 Bomb ahead of Jman now that he's alive again too, so I'm unsure there.
 
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