Transistor GOTY review thread
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Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
#LeaveFateAlone
He just wants to drink White Claw :(
He just wants to drink White Claw :(
HPSauce
Wait, I was right? Fuck
White claws drunk to scuminess ratio
HPSauce
Wait, I was right? Fuck
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
It'd take a brave scum player to place a no kill vote and stick with it. That's about all I can say without going into WIFOM arguments, at least.
As much as I'd like to respond to this with a Xenoblade joke, I'm going to resist the temptation.FateShirou said:
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah it’s just typical newbie stuff. Him making that vote without a care of how it makes him look is actually a pretty strong argument as to why he’s town
Looking forward to seeing you continue to reference Xenoblade in every game I run
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Welp, looks like I've got myself a new challenge.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Bet you didn't think he'd be joining us in the spec thread this soon!
Verelios
Were-elios
Shocked. Don't know what to say about the swerve. That was standard mafiera D1 swinging, and Raz was unlucky enough to be caught at the end.
Turmoil and Bojack come out of D1 looking real bad. Like, I would be surprised if they aren't getting flooded D2.
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
Bad luck Razmos. At least now you can have the fun of seeing if we guess your teammates right?
I think Bojack's definitely going to get slammed for how he defended Razmos. I can see what you mean about turmoil too, Vere-- he said he wanted to avoid the two other wagons because they both claimed PRs, but then he tried to avoid voting for Razmos who claimed vanilla.
Town is starting out on a great foot here, be interesting to see if they keep it up.
I think Bojack's definitely going to get slammed for how he defended Razmos. I can see what you mean about turmoil too, Vere-- he said he wanted to avoid the two other wagons because they both claimed PRs, but then he tried to avoid voting for Razmos who claimed vanilla.
Town is starting out on a great foot here, be interesting to see if they keep it up.
Verelios
Were-elios
Razmos
New and Improved Flavour
Eurgh I know it shouldn't but Sawneeks still going on about how I apparently didn't do anything on day 1 really rubs me the wrong way. It's the same with every mafia game where no amount of effort I put in on day 1 is ever good enough because there's no "substance". I really try and the attitude about it in every single game just makes me not want to bother.
Even the people posting a load of crackpot theories is still not "substance", it's just noise
Even the people posting a load of crackpot theories is still not "substance", it's just noise
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
I think Bojack is easily the most suspicious today. He really blatantly tried to defend Razmos, at a time when scum would be most likely to defend each other because of the time pressure, general panic, maybe no time to confer, etc. Now he's trying to shift the narrative by focusing on people who switched their votes to Razmos.
One of the things I sometimes oddly like about mafia is that it involves saying mean/critical things about each other in a zero-stakes environment. Kind of like an intellectual version of contact sports. But it's always with an agenda. Everyone knows it's impossible to post anything that's actually of substance on D1, unless there's a slip, or an unusual mechanic, or some other kickstarter to discussion.
One of the things I sometimes oddly like about mafia is that it involves saying mean/critical things about each other in a zero-stakes environment. Kind of like an intellectual version of contact sports. But it's always with an agenda. Everyone knows it's impossible to post anything that's actually of substance on D1, unless there's a slip, or an unusual mechanic, or some other kickstarter to discussion.
Sawneeks
little green dog
really hoping none of the new folks are scum. having any one of Kold, Feign, EC, or Bojack be scum will hurt town in the long run here. though I really enjoyed playing with them and what they brought forward to the table. it took a little bit to get behind some of their mindsets but I like how they look at the game and picture it in the long term.
Maol is still god damn scum though
Maol is still god damn scum though
yeahhh sorry about that this phase. for some reason i didnt connect that you voted for razmos BEFORE i claimed and not after. once LP pointed that out it became more obvious...
I think at least one of the new players is scum (or at least neutral with Bojack), but I enjoyed playing with them as well.
I should've tried to talk with you or Kold more about this. Right now I think scum had a lot of leeway to get into my wagon without putting in any work, which sucks.
That spec thread clarity is making me think that LP is scum and went for the bus vote this phase. Hope I'm wrong lol
Sawneeks
little green dog
<3
even with the crackpot theories and noise there's just this...undercurrent of trying to work out the game that some people convey in their posts. day 1 really is just throwing stuff at the wall to see what happens and those that don't seem to show an interest in that are what i try to look for. you may not even be the person to make substance happen but even passively commenting/working on that artificial substance can say tons.
while i disagree with maol that it was all luck that got you, it was like 75% luck
PM it to me :p
Sawneeks
little green dog
LP's Day 1 vote just sticking to me is so unlike him that it hurts.
But depending on how many scum we have here total (3? 4?) will change the dynamic. If turm is scum then Leo likely is too. Fate's votes have been real bad this time around but his lack of understanding about malus' town reads give me pause on calling him outright scum.
out of everyone on you I think it's highly likely one of Leo, turm, and Neki are scum. all 3 had rather weak reasons for even being on you but I have faith that Kold and Feign will call that out.
EC is the weird one. I really don't think Razmos would vote there on day 1 on a scummate but i could be wrong.
Feign could be a deepwolf :thinking:
Sawneeks
little green dog
i PM'd aeleus too right after the day ended saying "i think we fucked up with fando" and they responded by telling me I'd find the flip post to be interesting.
lmaoi PM'd aeleus too right after the day ended saying "i think we fucked up with fando" and they responded by telling me I'd find the flip post to be interesting.
I stole it from someone else, no idea who though.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
I'm going to say this because I'd have said this even if I wasn't familiar with the design - even so, though, I'm going to put it behind a spoiler tag to be on the safe side.
Why isn't anybody bringing up Bojack's claim? There are players there who are familiar with Aeleus' games, where non-town players are liable to have different flavour to the rest of the game, and they've seen him claim Nero in a game themed around Transistor. That alone should be setting off massive alarm bells.
Sawneeks
little green dog
I did the previous phase but it was enough of a hesitation to say for sure. He could be neutral for all we know or, hell, even town. Kold specifically asked that question though so he should be aware.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
It certainly came up at the end of D2, but they seem to have forgotten it - or are at least willing to let it slide - so far today. Heck, even taking Razmos' flip into account should have given a warning about flavour.
Let's see if anyone puts it on the table as the day goes on.
Let's see if anyone puts it on the table as the day goes on.
Sawneeks
little green dog
i think even if they dont get to it today they will eventually. the longer a potential vig stays alive without dying the more questions will come up. same with malus' apparent longevity.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Glad to see that post from Neki, but will he keep pushing?
It'll be interesting to see if anyone else thinks of that - and if they do, what they'll do with it. I'll say no more for now.
Good! :P
My biggest fear is Kold as scum, who voted for Razmos because it would look bad if he didn't since you quoted him directly. I've been thinking about that nonstop. Still, good fodder to mimic sawneeks by inviting scum to vote for scum as scum. That's a new one in my arsenal.
I'm curious about why mafia killed me. If it was to silence me: fair enough. If it was to abuse my incorrect or unstated read like with Kold: great move. That's the type of move I like making as scum.
Glad I survived long enough to be killed in game. Thanks Aeleus!
Sawneeks
little green dog
this was part of why i was worried about Feign just being scum.
Maol isn't totally wrong about Day 1 being mostly luck and leaving a lack of trail towards Razmos death. The argument I was getting from Feign was that it would be better to leave Maol alive because if he was Town he would be a valuable asset to have in trying to find scum and, if he was actually scum, we now have his opinion and votes locked down and he may be more likely to bus teammates. Maol has too much on him to make it to end game and would have to eventually be killed which would reveal whether he was working honestly or he was being sneaky.
Either way Town would win. Killing Maol Day 2 would've only lead from Razmos to him and might've ended that trail completely. With him sticking around the rest of the scum team would have to figure out how to handle him being there and dying later. Way more opportunities for figuring stuff out.
least that was my take on it. i might be way off there, feign lol
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Looks like we're solidly in the 'Let's whack Turmoil - whoops, shouldn't have done that' stage of the game. (I should know, I've been there and made that goof.)
Also, after EastEnders, I'm not going to forget Faddy's warning about how the more helpful LP seems, the more dangerous he is. Maybe it's me, but he's starting to feel a little too helpful for my liking.
Also, after EastEnders, I'm not going to forget Faddy's warning about how the more helpful LP seems, the more dangerous he is. Maybe it's me, but he's starting to feel a little too helpful for my liking.
Pretty close. I was entirely willing to let Maol die. I just wanted to make sure town didn't get complacent. Almost every game I've played where we kill scum Day 1 led to a town loss. Things sort of go on rails until the numbers thin out and it's too late. Night Kills really don't give a lot of analysis if no one is making a scene. Honestly, people not talking about why I was killed is surprising to me. Again, my last second "where is your vote" to Leo was meant to tempt scum to kill me and lead to a discussion if I died, but that hasn't really happened. It's the same arguments as previously, so I don't have the highest hope of town succeeding.
I didn't mention it much, but Neki is a wildcard to me. If Neki is town, there's a lot of unrefined potential there for a power player. I don't mean emulating my style when I say that either. I just mean someone who has a presence in their own voice backed with confidence. EvilChameleon certainly has that. There was too much this game, but I wanted to test him. His vote on zipped is really odd and atonal. There's intent that's asking others to play along and so far no one has joined. That he hasn't pushed back weirds me out. He also said he is an information based player, so with 3 new deaths he needs to have some good posts today. I'd likely be looking in his direction if alive the way I did with Leo.
I have plans for Maol beyond this game. I usually have one person that can correctly read me as scum and I'm hoping it will be him, due to how he is read by other players. So part of my actions were admittedly self-serving. He's fun and reactionary. I need someone to antagonize that I can also use as a wayfinder. We put similar levels of thought into things even if the conclusions are sometimes different. And I like his avatar. :p If we ever feel comfortable enough calling the other town, that should be a strong showing. Which yes, means I was not comfortable here.
Pushing back also helped me see how much I could get away with as far as influencing the flow of conversation and ultimate voting result. (Kold using my posts as reasoning for voting fandorin is another reason I'm not set on my read of him.) Anyway, I should be set whenever I roll scum.
I have no idea what you're talking about. :P
But really, mafia was an outlet back in 2013 when I was very depressed. It gave me a way to turn around these thoughts I was using on myself and focus them on something external. I stopped playing around 2016 after being in the 2015 Mafia Universe Championship finals, which felt like a good bookend on that period of my life. But I am very rusty after 5 years and not near as emotionally volatile, so it'll take a bit of time for me to get back to that same skill level and understand what my more mature play style is. I played a game off-site after being frustrated at myself over my modkill, but this is the first game that's felt right. So I wouldn't be tooooooo worried about me. Well, not yet. :)
I mostly prefer Mafia terms since it's what I started with, but I miss using wolf/wolfy. It also led to very fun photoshops for games I hosted on a site that preferred that term.
Sawneeks
little green dog
i also had a dream about this game last night.
we flipped Maol and he was scum! the next day phase we're all figuring out what to do and fate comes in, guns blazing, and says he is the cop and checked malus who is ALSO scum. then a scum!bojack comes in and immediately starts bussing him saying how he knew he was right about malus the whole time, if only everyone had listened. then i woke up.
we flipped Maol and he was scum! the next day phase we're all figuring out what to do and fate comes in, guns blazing, and says he is the cop and checked malus who is ALSO scum. then a scum!bojack comes in and immediately starts bussing him saying how he knew he was right about malus the whole time, if only everyone had listened. then i woke up.
That's definitely the dream your character had before dying.
Yeah I get that but I prefer to knock out scum when I get the chance to (or at least think I have a chance to). For one they could very likely have abilities themselves which can effect how the town's night actions go. And then I feel like town often gets in a situation where they say it will work itself out and we get to the endgame and it never worked itself out because several other things happened along the way. Certainly agree with trying to get as much information as you but also we shouldn't be afraid if going in an easy and obvious route.
Sawneeks
little green dog
feels like bojack is openly saying he is a scum recruiter at this point lol
Yeah, that was the competing idea in my head and was what I normally want to go with. All these new players with their new fangled ideas made me want to be bold and try something new :<
Bad Hawthorn.
Verelios
Were-elios
This has been a very unfortunate set of days for scum. I'm sure D1 was a hammer blow to the head and they didn't have a plan ready for if it happened, but the flow is quite against them right now. I think the best bet would be fracturing the town voices because as they are, the people moving discussion aren't moving in the same direction.
Support different voices and see where it ends up.
Support different voices and see where it ends up.
Humm, interesting flip from Turm. I think it will give some breathing room for Bojack if no one else claims a vig; he could still be a neutral though.
I’m also very curious to find out who are the remaining scum after this flip. From reactions ITT I’m guessing we don’t have any deepwolfing going on, so should be interesting to see how scum plays this out.
I’m also very curious to find out who are the remaining scum after this flip. From reactions ITT I’m guessing we don’t have any deepwolfing going on, so should be interesting to see how scum plays this out.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
My feeling is that a player might be on to a certain player by now, so they might get some answers. This could be foiled, though, if that certain player has worked out a particular player, which could complicate matters. That said, even if they have, it could all be a moot point if the particular player in question thinks that this certain player will make their move and thus decides to do the thing, which would really speed things along.
It couldn't be clearer, really.
It couldn't be clearer, really.
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