Scooby Doo 2: Mafia Unleashed - This time there are costumes!

[Wax Phantom]

teh fcuk

Vote: alien

 

[BooBeard]

How do you get in?

The door just swings open. At least there's still a deadbolt so I can lock it lol

 

[Alien]

Woodsman Posts

#43, 81, 142, 232 and 234 - first few posts, all jokes.

#327 - 'early reads' Kook feels town, Frankenstein is scummy,

#499 - doesn't like Boo's vote on Lightning, Agrees with Lightning the Boo Beard's vote is bad

#503 - cosplaying us NAI

#507 - cosplaying as Sparks is easy

#508 - doesn't like Lightning's identity posts (thinks it is manipulative)

#530 - Says Char is raising red flags

#536 - votes Char

#876 - believes Boo is new, interested to see if people still scum read them.

#880 - Skunkbeard push was 'a flash in the pan', Tech makes good posts but feels opportunistic.

#950 - feels good about Pazzo and San, town lean on Kook, thinks Snow C maybe trying to pocket Pazzo, interested in vote on CGG

#1058, 1060, 1065 - pushing CGG

#1139 - Still not sure about Char or Snow C. Favours Ghost Bear vote over Wax

#1142 - vote count post

#1150 - votes CGG

#1494 - Gnome reaction feels like caught scum, Believes Char's claim

#1675 - Defends CGG

#1692 - Asks why Gnome didn't check Jman

#1898 - day 2 vote data would be interesting to look at

#1902 - wants to look at people that voted Ghost Bear

#1906 - expects Char to flip neutral

#1907, 1909 and 1910 - continuing to talk about Day 2 votes

#1993 - 'Snow C, Neon and Pazzo all discouraged the CGG vote'

#2095 - Hyde was main Char defender

#2109 - doesn't think Stan is scum

#2224 and 2226 - doesn't like Lightning

#2237 - votes Snow C

#2250 - Wants to look into Skunk, Kook and Alien

End of Meaningful posts

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

San Franpsycho was my second strongest Townread after stealing Stan.

Ask yourself why would I vote her?


Its very obvious what i was doing.

No, you need to stop assuming people understand what you are doing, and explain it in very small words. Because right now, i see scummy behavior and that’s it.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

I

Know boo and alien are connected but remember they know each other Outside the game.

I would not assume they have the same alignment as aliens defense would still come exactly the same way if Boo was town.

But i doubt scum!alien would be so eager to jump into the conversation for a friend as town!alien would. No reason NOT to allow the behavior to inform reads after a flip.

 

[Snow Ghost]

Hi, I will be doing a poor LP imitation this phase. Don't have the time to participate that much. Direct questions and such are appreciated.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Alien’s summary posts that are just “this happened” with no analysis or conclusion aren’t helping the case. I’ve done that as scum too. It wasn’t worth the work.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Hi, I will be doing a poor LP imitation this phase. Don't have the time to participate that much. Direct questions and such are appreciated.

Please post your current PoE in order of the order you want them killed. Unless you already did.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

But i doubt scum!alien would be so eager to jump into the conversation for a friend as town!alien would. No reason NOT to allow the behavior to inform reads after a flip.

I dont see the downsides in jumping in to defend town. Alien looks great if Boo got voted out and the defense did not work.

I'm not saying this is what happened just saying its plausible.

 

[Alien]

Flip me if you must. I appreciate I lost it yesterday.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

No, you need to stop assuming people understand what you are doing, and explain it in very small words. Because right now, i see scummy behavior and that’s it.

I was trying to manipulate the vote by purposely forcing a tie to see how players possibily react. Maybe scum who dont wanna lose 3 straight see an out to save woodsman

If San Fran took the vote lead I would immediately switch my vote to Woodsman.

I have purposely tried votes in many of my mafia games this is how I play.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

I was trying to manipulate the vote by purposely forcing a tie to see how players possibily react. Maybe scum who dont wanna lose 3 straight see an out to save woodsman

If San Fran took the vote lead I would immediately switch my vote to Woodsman.

I have purposely tried votes in many of my mafia games this is how I play.

Purposely *Tied votes in many previous games.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

I was trying to manipulate the vote by purposely forcing a tie to see how players possibily react. Maybe scum who dont wanna lose 3 straight see an out to save woodsman

If San Fran took the vote lead I would immediately switch my vote to Woodsman.

I have purposely tried votes in many of my mafia games this is how I play.

Ok, who jumped to sans and when?

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Ok, who jumped to sans and when?

Nobody jumped to san after I tie the vote at 4 to 4 going by memory.


2 people switched to Woodsman (very late and very suspect)

I unvoted for a specific reason I cant go into.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

I dont see the downsides in jumping in to defend town. Alien looks great if Boo got voted out and the defense did not work.

I'm not saying this is what happened just saying its plausible.

It’s also plausible they’re just the last scums.

either way i’m voting for alien And will see if that affects my read on boo.

 

[Alien]

3 scum and not a single one jumped on the Boo vote. That's kinda strange?

 

[San Franpsycho]

I'll be back later but I'm gonna go put my foot up, eat, etc.

Really interesting that Wax has not been doused. Confirmed or not, not a likely kill for scum. Does make me wonder if the arsonist has to try to kill everyone.

 

[Snow Ghost]

Starting with whom I consider scummiest: Pazzo, Boo, Kook, Alien and then I'd need to re-evaluate a bit and consult my notes. Would love to have a stronger read on Snow C for sure.

I don't think any better of Pazzo for breaking the tie. I think that Woody was going to be the vote unless an absolutely mad swerve happened. I think Pazzo might've seen that Sans wasn't going to happen and took the chance to jump onto the bus. I feel that there is a chance that the Sans case was created as a defensive move, but I would need to read back and ain't much of that happening today

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Nobody jumped to san after I tie the vote at 4 to 4 going by memory.


2 people switched to Woodsman (very late and very suspect)

I unvoted for a specific reason I cant go into.

Now THIS has hawthorn in Risk vibes lol

 

[Snow Ghost]

Fuck mobile posting is utter garbage, how do people do this willingly.

VOTE: Pazzo the Ghost Clown

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Starting with whom I consider scummiest: Pazzo, Boo, Kook, Alien and then I'd need to re-evaluate a bit and consult my notes. Would love to have a stronger read on Snow C for sure.

I don't think any better of Pazzo for breaking the tie. I think that Woody was going to be the vote unless an absolutely mad swerve happened. I think Pazzo might've seen that Sans wasn't going to happen and took the chance to jump onto the bus. I feel that there is a chance that the Sans case was created as a defensive move, but I would need to read back and ain't much of that happening today

What do you mean as a defensive move? If I was coming into that phase as concerned scum why go for a push that was going to be tough instead of going with something more commonly agreed on?

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Now THIS has hawthorn in Risk vibes lol

Godammit Pazzo my reason is good.

I mean it's the Dumb 5d chess stuff I always fail at but the reason is great I swear.

One day you'll see.

 

[Wax Phantom]

Fuck mobile posting is utter garbage, how do people do this willingly.

VOTE: Pazzo the Ghost Clown

 

[Snow Ghost]

What do you mean as a defensive move? If I was coming into that phase as concerned scum why go for a push that was going to be tough instead of going with something more commonly agreed on?

Wasn't it Sans who pushed the case on Woody from the get-go? Gotta keep themates safe and all. Pushing a harder case also allows you to fall back to this defense, it is a good scum play to go for the harder case since it is more authentic.

Better start playing soon, I think there is every chance that I get killed by scum before your confirmed ass does.

 

[Alien]

If you're gonna vote me you all better win.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

If you're gonna vote me you all better win.

We will try our best :)

 

[Alien]

Please do

 

[Snow Ghost]

Still would bet that Lightning is town but he sure is not making that call easy lol. Surely there are better targets though.

I just remembered that Neon might still exist. Huh, a half of my kingdom for a real computer.

Gotta bail, will drop by to offer some hot takes at some point.

 

[Alien]

11 alive

Kill me today (presumably) + NK, another player gets doused tonight.

9 alive (2 scum) with 3 doused.

You need to make sure to get the Arsonist tomorrow no matter what.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

11 alive

Kill me today (presumably) + NK, another player gets doused tonight.

9 alive (2 scum) with 3 doused.

You need to make sure to get the Arsonist tomorrow no matter what.

Your not dead yet.

You can still help us catch scum today.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

11 alive

Kill me today (presumably) + NK, another player gets doused tonight.

9 alive (2 scum) with 3 doused.

You need to make sure to get the Arsonist tomorrow no matter what.

Who’s the third? Doused?

 

[Alien]

Who’s the third? Doused?

The 3rd would be doused in the next night phase?

 

[Alien]

Sorry I wasn't specific enough

 

[Alien]

Basically if we don't get the Arsonist by the end of next day phase we're screwed.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

The 3rd would be doused in the next night phase?

Right, i understood night phase.

We got tomorrow victim, snowC, and …….who??

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Still would bet that Lightning is town but he sure is not making that call easy lol. Surely there are better targets though.

I just remembered that Neon might still exist. Huh, a half of my kingdom for a real computer.

Gotta bail, will drop by to offer some hot takes at some point.

Yeah, the arsonist should douse lightning, it’s not like there’s a tracker or hoser [anymore]. RB should spend time looking for scum killer if there is any.

 

[Alien]

Thoughts before I go to bed in case you decide to turbo me/ you can look back on after I flip

1) I appreciate I kinda freaked out end of day yesterday but I'm not happy about the fact that I was jumped on for being nervous about a really crucial vote. I'm an anxious person and getting jumped on like that sucked. I've learnt my lesson though. I won't sign up for costume games in the future

2) all 3 scum specifically mentioned Pazzo and Sans - suspicious

3) none of the 3 flipped scum voted Boo Beard - also suspicious

4) worth looking into Pazzo, Lightning and both Snow's as the unclipped Boo voters - probably scum in there

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Yeah, the arsonist should douse lightning, it’s not like there’s a tracker or hoser [anymore]. RB should spend time looking for scum killer if there is any.

Why am I getting thrown under the bus?

Also why do you think we have a RB? Just a guess?

 

[Alien]

Right, i understood night phase.

We got tomorrow victim, snowC, and …….who??

Oh right, I thought we had two declared douses. My mistake

 

[Alien]

Thoughts before I go to bed in case you decide to turbo me/ you can look back on after I flip

1) I appreciate I kinda freaked out end of day yesterday but I'm not happy about the fact that I was jumped on for being nervous about a really crucial vote. I'm an anxious person and getting jumped on like that sucked. I've learnt my lesson though. I won't sign up for costume games in the future

2) all 3 scum specifically mentioned Pazzo and Sans - suspicious

3) none of the 3 flipped scum voted Boo Beard - also suspicious

4) worth looking into Pazzo, Lightning and both Snow's as the unclipped Boo voters - probably scum in there

Should be unflipped at the bottom there

 

[San Franpsycho]

What was so particularly crucial about the vote yesterday? I mean, for me it was (lol), but pre-flip no one knew the outcome and we’d just gotten scum two days in a row. Even if we were wrong, it wasn’t a terrible position.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

What was so particularly crucial about the vote yesterday? I mean, for me it was (lol), but pre-flip no one knew the outcome and we’d just gotten scum two days in a row. Even if we were wrong, it wasn’t a terrible position.

Arsonist putting an accelerated clock on the game is why these votes feel crucial despite picking correctly 3 times in a row.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Mm, I don’t agree due to the position but whatever I guess. I don’t know what we could be doing better here, tbh.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Why am I getting thrown under the bus?

Also why do you think we have a RB? Just a guess?

You’re in my poe and i don’t want to waste a day phase on you, having a neutral murder you is great for me.

and it’s an argument made to the serial killer, not a statement of how i think the game is designed.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

You’re in my poe and i don’t want to waste a day phase on you, having a neutral murder you is great for me.

and it’s an argument made to the serial killer, not a statement of how i think the game is designed.

I guarantee you I am one of the most solvable people in this game. me going up in flames will not benefit you.

If believe you will be able to make a definitive Read on me Go back and look at the way i have posted and think about my motivations behind each move.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

I guarantee you I am one of the most solvable people in this game. me going up in flames will not benefit you.

If believe you will be able to make a definitive Read on me Go back and look at the way i have posted and think about my motivations behind each move.

@Captain Skunkbeard

Don't give up trying to read me I believe in you.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

@Captain Skunkbeard

I am not saying don't suspect me I am saying being in your POE is unnecessary. It might be a little hard but you can solve me without killing me.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Thoughts before I go to bed in case you decide to turbo me/ you can look back on after I flip

1) I appreciate I kinda freaked out end of day yesterday but I'm not happy about the fact that I was jumped on for being nervous about a really crucial vote. I'm an anxious person and getting jumped on like that sucked. I've learnt my lesson though. I won't sign up for costume games in the future

2) all 3 scum specifically mentioned Pazzo and Sans - suspicious

3) none of the 3 flipped scum voted Boo Beard - also suspicious

4) worth looking into Pazzo, Lightning and both Snow's as the unclipped Boo voters - probably scum in there

You’re not being jumped on for being nervous, you’re being scum read for defending scum. It’s a natural response to the flip of woodsman.

with regard to the arsonist, your math is off.

i haven’t felt your read posts were very informative on your own thoughts as they were far too summary of events. If you want to contribute, analyze the events in terms of what they mean and come up with reads from them.

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Arsonist putting an accelerated clock on the game is why these votes feel crucial despite picking correctly 3 times in a row.

The arsonist might be putting an accelerated clock, but there's always a chance they'll hit scum. I don't think the situation's quite as urgent as it's made out to be

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

@Captain Skunkbeard

I am not saying don't suspect me I am saying being in your POE is unnecessary. It might be a little hard but you can solve me without killing me.

Your statement contradicts itself. Asking the serial killer to flip you is the best way, trust me.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Your statement contradicts itself. Asking the serial killer to flip you is the best way, trust me.

I bet you $100 dollars it's not. Trust me.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Your statement contradicts itself. Asking the serial killer to flip you is the best way, trust me.

I rather get Voted out by town or Night killed by Mafia than Let than burn alive to the arsonist.

Losing town to a neutral is not the way.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Im Fucking Allergic to Fire. Arsonist Please anyone but me. I will owe you a favor.

 

[Alien]

You’re not being jumped on for being nervous, you’re being scum read for defending scum. It’s a natural response to the flip of woodsman.

with regard to the arsonist, your math is off.

i haven’t felt your read posts were very informative on your own thoughts as they were far too summary of events. If you want to contribute, analyze the events in terms of what they mean and come up with reads from them.

I got 3 posts on my ass with a minute giving me crap for saying I was nervous about a vote. I never defended Woodsman.

Vote me out and get this shot over with

 

[Alien]

Shit^

 

[San Franpsycho]

The arsonist might be putting an accelerated clock, but there's always a chance they'll hit scum. I don't think the situation's quite as urgent as it's made out to be

Wait. Weren’t you the one consistently panicking over the arsonist?

 

[Alien]

It'd be nice for someone to actually make the case against me rather than throwing a vote down without comment. Surely seeing as I'm so clearly scummy someone could do that?

 

[Lightning Strikes]

@Captain Skunkbeard

I wish you didn't do that

I'm freaking out right now I'm so paranoid town is gonna screw this up.

I had bad dreams last night about mafia I will share with everyone later.

Dying to a neutral for some reason freaks me out a lot.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Like if town kills me whatever they made mistake.

If Mafia night kill me whatever there my opponent it's just them doing there thing.


Neutral though there something sinister and creepy about dying to one of them.

Feels like getting shot by a random bullet not ment for you or something.

It's hard to describe.

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Thoughts before I go to bed in case you decide to turbo me/ you can look back on after I flip

1) I appreciate I kinda freaked out end of day yesterday but I'm not happy about the fact that I was jumped on for being nervous about a really crucial vote. I'm an anxious person and getting jumped on like that sucked. I've learnt my lesson though. I won't sign up for costume games in the future

2) all 3 scum specifically mentioned Pazzo and Sans - suspicious

3) none of the 3 flipped scum voted Boo Beard - also suspicious

4) worth looking into Pazzo, Lightning and both Snow's as the unclipped Boo voters - probably scum in there

2 - I wouldn't find it too suspicious that scum mentioned Sans as I would feel like it would be more suspicious not to. She's been the most active player (I think), very direct, and very clearly willing to hold people to actually answering questions. If they tried to avoid her completely, it would stand out a little too much.

3 - Looking a bit further into that, these are the 3 scum's interactions with BooBeard

Char Gar - None at all
Gnome - None at all
Woodsman's interactions are here :

I agree with you that a shot in the dark is as good a place to start as any. I'm just tired of this Day 1 no vote discussion every game, sorry.

That said:
VOTE: Lightning Strikes
Lightning has barely posted and there's already some votes so I'll hop on this train for now.

I don't really like this vote. Nothing wrong with hopping on others trains, but if your only argument is the train itself existing it seems kind of lazy.


I can agree on the points about BooBears vote, but claiming ones identity seems really unnecessary. It's just another piece of information that doesn't need to be disclosed openly and is probably better kept secret. Pushing for others to reveal it doesn't sit right with me.

And then later on BooBeard is questioning Woodsman's reads after the Char flip

So first they were on top of your list, but then they weren't the most suspicious? Very interesting.

Hyde is on top of the list of players that defended Char, not on the list of suspicious players.

Those are all the scum interactions with BooBeard directly or even mentioning him.

The otherside of that is BooBeard was consistently scum reading or at least unsure about Woodsman for the entire game. They never really pushed him too hard despite that, and BooBeard has floated the idea that he believes either Sans or Woodsman were scum, not both. The big one that stood out was this comment after Gnome's red check :

So potentially around 2-4 scum votes? I don't want to put my vote down on these right now. Instead I'd like to prod Woodsman to reply, they've been awfully quiet lately.

Vote: Woodsman

@Woodsman what do you think about this Gnome business?

Which after seeing how bussy Woodsman was, feels like an opening for him to start bussing further.

Before Gnome was red checked, BooBeard's only mention of Gnome was this, which was a Day 1 read :

I like Snack, Hyde, Frankenstein, Woodsman, Gnome and San Fran. They feel town leaning to me.

And then finally BooBeard's mentions of Char Gar

Day 1

Baba Yaga hasn't posted much, and has been repeatedly called out. I would like to hear from them as well.

I'm suspicious of Char Gar but I don't want to vote them out today. They're kinda on their own.

If I had to slap down a vote right now it would Anthos.

VOTE: Anthos

Day 2

Thanks gang for not voting me out Day 1. I really am a new player, I can claim my ERA username if you'd like, it won't change much.

Char was on an island Day 1 and seems to continue to draw some ire today. Gnome defending them is interesting, but could be nothing. I'm continuing to keep an eye on Char.

More suspicious is Ghost Bear, who "had to miss end of day" yesterday, and barely participated otherwise, only slapping down a No Vote and then quickly changing after getting called out. I'm getting scum coasting vibes.

Suspicion on Gnar and immediately tying Gnome in with it

And then the reads list after Gnome's redcheck

I'm okay with the Gnome vote. We'll get some direction with the flip. Sorry if you're telling the truth, Gnome. I'm not gonna park my vote there for now because I'd like to see another wagon and not turbo.

I also want to hear from Char about his conversation with Tech.

Char Gar Gothakon:
-I've been suspicious of Char all game but with the recent revelations I'm okay with waiting on this one

Gnome:
-I thought town Day 1, leaned to unsure Day 2, now starting to think scum

BooBeard then started to shade Char further and stated a few times that Char was insular and on his own before stating that he does not believe Char's role claim.


4. You point out that scum were not on the BooBeard vote at all, but you don't seem to want to look into him further. Why is that exactly?

 

[San Franpsycho]

vote: Spooky Space Kook
Nothing has changed here for me.

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Wait. Weren’t you the one consistently panicking over the arsonist?

A little bit, but they just ignited, they're going to take another night or two of dousing people before they light up again I'd imagine. If they only needed 4, they wouldn't have ignited already

 

[Lightning Strikes]

@Spooky Space Kook

Top 3 people you want dead today?

 

[Alien]

4. You point out that scum were not on the BooBeard vote at all, but you don't seem to want to look into him further. Why is that exactly?

I'm gonna die so I don't really give a shit. But sure why not.

Vote:BooBeard

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

I'm gonna die so I don't really give a shit. But sure why not.

Vote:BooBeard

so town, much concern

 

[San Franpsycho]

Well that just really sucks all the air out of the day.

 

[Wax Phantom]

WITAF

 

[Wax Phantom]

 

[Wax Phantom]

Lightining Strikes is a lunch bomb

and

Alien is arsonist

makes total sense

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Lightining Strikes is a lunch bomb

and

Alien is arsonist

makes total sense

what?

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

@Spooky Space Kook

Top 3 people you want dead today?

To be honest, I'm narrowing it down and looking through people right now. If alien were to flip scum, I'd be really wary of BooBeard honestly. The analysis I did above looks kind of questionable for him as it is, and if Alien is scum I'd lean more towards some of the Day 1 stuff being fabricated

Beyond that, I have a really hard time seeing Skunkbeard as scum at the moment, and Wax is confirmed town.

I've been looking over Woodsman's reads to see who else he might have been trying to bus, and the big one is Snow Creature, with some light shading on you.

Woods was setting up Snow Creature to be looked at before Char flipped, and when Char flipped scum he still decided to dig into Snow C.

Actually if Char flips neutral, I'd like to take a look at Snow Creature, because he was another failed wagon on D2.

So as promised I looked back into end of Day 2 for connections with Char

From Snow Creature we have these posts

This one when it looked like Ghost Bear would be the only wagon.

But then once Char started to gain some votes he posts this:



This vote happened right after some votes were cast for CGG


Then we also have Pazzo discouraging the CGG train.

If Hyde hadn't died tonight, he'd be on top of this list.

Of the three Char defenders, I feel worst about Snow Creature so far.

And here's where he was pushing back against you :

I didn't like it when he claimed his identity in his first post and stating that secrecy around it would only benefit Scum. He later even amended that statement in the exact opposite direction. His vote on D2 is really strange.


This is a strange post to me. What is the appropriate reaction of a natural innocent town getting falsely accused?


This is also not a good look, now that we know CGGs flip.

He doesn't give a lot of reasons for his reads as well and it looks like he just follows where others are going.
I really don't know what to make of him. It all feels just a bit too obviously scummy.


D3 was going to be Gnome anyway. What's the point of voting a different wagon in that scenario? It's purely performative and serves no purpose. Similar for D4. After the bungled fake claim, there was no doubt that Char would be the vote of the day.

Once the writing was on the wall, he threw out Skunkbeard, Alien, and me as people to look at.

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

Like, it's possible that Woodsman pivoted away from bussing after losing 2 of his teammates, but if he made the case for Snow C. and we somehow jumped on it, things would just have turned right back around on him.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Like, it's possible that Woodsman pivoted away from bussing after losing 2 of his teammates, but if he made the case for Snow C. and we somehow jumped on it, things would just have turned right back around on him.

It took some time to get the woodsman train going with actual votes besides me and san.

Do you think scum caught on to how much of a lost cause he was?

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Wasn't it Sans who pushed the case on Woody from the get-go? Gotta keep themates safe and all. Pushing a harder case also allows you to fall back to this defense, it is a good scum play to go for the harder case since it is more authentic.



Better start playing soon, I think there is every chance that I get killed by scum before your confirmed ass does.

If I’m that concerned I just..kill Sans. That would take out one of the most vocal players AND make it much easier to defend then.

Thoughts before I go to bed in case you decide to turbo me/ you can look back on after I flip

1) I appreciate I kinda freaked out end of day yesterday but I'm not happy about the fact that I was jumped on for being nervous about a really crucial vote. I'm an anxious person and getting jumped on like that sucked. I've learnt my lesson though. I won't sign up for costume games in the future

2) all 3 scum specifically mentioned Pazzo and Sans - suspicious

3) none of the 3 flipped scum voted Boo Beard - also suspicious

4) worth looking into Pazzo, Lightning and both Snow's as the unclipped Boo voters - probably scum in there

Are you meaning anyone who ever voted Boo I take it?

What was so particularly crucial about the vote yesterday? I mean, for me it was (lol), but pre-flip no one knew the outcome and we’d just gotten scum two days in a row. Even if we were wrong, it wasn’t a terrible position.

I feel like yesterday had some of the most vote moving late in the day so imo there will be some meat to digest there

———

Drinking again (but not drunk!) so much thoughts might not be perfect, but I feel
Like I had an epiphany. We should look for anyone that was pushing to vote out anyone doused. The people that did so the most probably aren’t the arsonist. That could help narrow the list down

 

[San Franpsycho]

I feel like yesterday had some of the most vote moving late in the day so imo there will be some meat to digest there

Oh, yes, it's crucial for info. But in the moment... meh. It was not that dire. And again, I have literally the most immediate interest here lol. We have done really well. I don't understand the urge to paint that any other way, but y'all do you, I guess. I don't think it's really that important in the end. It just stuck out to me, but apparently it was universal, I dunno.

I like your idea re: arsonist and voting. So many people are hesitant to put down votes on the daily it feels like (every game; not just this game) so I might just search for discussion of the doused.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Oh, yes, it's crucial for info. But in the moment... meh. It was not that dire. And again, I have literally the most immediate interest here lol. We have done really well. I don't understand the urge to paint that any other way, but y'all do you, I guess. I don't think it's really that important in the end. It just stuck out to me, but apparently it was universal, I dunno.

I like your idea re: arsonist and voting. So many people are hesitant to put down votes on the daily it feels like (every game; not just this game) so I might just search for discussion of the doused.

Oh yeah, I don’t know that it’s critical in that sense we’re doin alright. I do think we need to get the arsonist before another ignite - it’s shaky ground because we don’t know what conditions they’re under. We’re probably okay today, as Alien said we probably should pop them by EOD tomorrow though. If another multikill night happen that might be no bueno. I’ll try and check tomorrow when I’m not drinking too

 

[Spooky Space Kook]

It took some time to get the woodsman train going with actual votes besides me and san.

Do you think scum caught on to how much of a lost cause he was?

I don't think scum thought Woodsman was a lost cause necessarily, but there were quite a few people strongly scum reading him for a while throughout the game.
For all the suspicions on San Fran that are around, I'd look at the people trying to make that the leading wagon yesterday if scum wanted to try and save him . There's no way that she was scummier than Woodsman

 

[San Franpsycho]

If Alien's miscount was not constructed, it pretty much means he's not the arsonist. I did a little internal WIFOM with this, wondering: was doing a count and timeline of when we need to kill the arsonist both good busywork AND a way to fake a clear? but it feels like such a reach. It felt silly to think it and sillier to type it. So I feel relatively okay saying Alien is probably not the arsonist, at least.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

If Alien's miscount was not constructed, it pretty much means he's not the arsonist. I did a little internal WIFOM with this, wondering: was doing a count and timeline of when we need to kill the arsonist both good busywork AND a way to fake a clear? but it feels like such a reach. It felt silly to think it and sillier to type it. So I feel relatively okay saying Alien is probably not the arsonist, at least.

Imma be real - Alien doesn’t feel engaged enough to be the arsonist based on the targets. Good targets so far honestly

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Imma be real - Alien doesn’t feel engaged enough to be the arsonist based on the targets. Good targets so far honestly

Yeah arsonist is on top of there game while scum have been playing pretty bad.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

@jman1954goat congrats on the clips

 

[San Franpsycho]

I was going to do a big post about Alien's EoD, pulled all the quotes, got them in, and just absolutely stopped at this one.

Nobody is interested in Pazzo (and to be honest I feel like I probably honed in on the wrong person here) so I'll move, happy with a Woodsman Vote, not so sure about Kook.

Through my looking through the two scum's posts Sans stuck out so I'm going to vote here for now.

Vote:San Franpsycho

I don't think I noticed yesterday quite how downright weird this is. Let's go back though:

Alien was gunning for Pazzo.
Pazzo was gunning for me.
I was gunning for Woodsman.

I almost want to draw a picture. Alien wants to kill Pazzo and when that doesn't work, moves to kill the person Pazzo wants to kill.
Simultaneously, the person he is voting for wants to kill a person, and he is fine also with that target, too.

Alien, who don't you want to kill? How were you reconciling this for yourself?

 

[Aeleus]

Day 6 votes are up on the spreadsheet

 

[Neon Phantom]

During the night you can use the command Hose Down: <Player> to prevent that player's costume from being doused that night.

Preventative, and only that night?
Expecting someone to counteract a hidden independent operator ahead of time is a pretty tall ask, right?

 

[Neon Phantom]

I mean the obvious answer is because they DIDN'T want to lose three teammates in a row lol

And if he'd succeeded then his remaining teammate still would have, and would probably have lost four, because I can't see any way in hell that Woodsman wouldn't have been up again today if scum!Alien died by deflecting that vote to himself. If woodsman were a scum PR maybe, but for a goon?

Lightining Strikes is a lunch bomb

and

Alien is arsonist

makes total sense

Alien's actions barely make any sense as scum, they make no sense for arson. The d1 boo defence might work easily from the perspective of someone who literally had no one to worry about but themselves but that mess yesterday doesn't come close.

The arsonist seems to be doing well, there's no way they're going to make themselves a screaming day end target for no reason.

I'm gonna die so I don't really give a shit. But sure why not.

Vote:BooBeard

I was hoping you'd have talked yourself out the just-kill-me-s during the night phase.

I was actually inclined to townread your blow up last night because I've seen you pull that before as town and I don't think it's something it would be your first instinct to fake, but damn you are not making it easy when a third scum death in a row would be a valid reason for frustrated scum to blow up too.

A vote does not a case make.

 

[Neon Phantom]

Would love to hear more from the hesitant Woodsman voters about why they didn’t think he was a good vote even though no one really caped for him.

Cleary my misgivings about his bussy actions having no followthrough making little sense and being unwilling to believe I fell for yet another one were wrong.

Not sure if anyone else was quite as stupid. To my recollection Pazzo expressed similar misgivings about his followthrough at one point? And of course Lightning said he felt better about him but said he wanted him dead anyway.

Snow Creature's breakdown was largely what made me get over myself and see sense there so that's solidified Creature as someone I'm feeling pretty good about.

 

[Snow Creature]

Uh, don't know how much I can be around today (as in literally today, not the day phase). I'll try to get some thoughts down - currently in two minds of whether to hone in on Sans or look at one of my blindspots in Kook or Neon.

Someone talk me down off the Sans edge because after Pazzo's argument yesterday I can't stop thinking about it.

I was hoping you'd have talked yourself out the just-kill-me-s during the night phase.

I was actually inclined to townread your blow up last night because I've seen you pull that before as town and I don't think it's something it would be your first instinct to fake, but damn you are not making it easy when a third scum death in a row would be a valid reason for frustrated scum to blow up too.

A vote does not a case make.

This is exactly where I'm at. Like please, Alien, if you're town then put up a fight. You're not helping yourself or us.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Cleary my misgivings about his bussy actions having no followthrough making little sense and being unwilling to believe I fell for yet another one were wrong.

Not sure if anyone else was quite as stupid. To my recollection Pazzo expressed similar misgivings about his followthrough at one point? And of course Lightning said he felt better about him but said he wanted him dead anyway.

Snow Creature's breakdown was largely what made me get over myself and see sense there so that's solidified Creature as someone I'm feeling pretty good about.

Yeah, I was one of the first people to mention that I didn't think it made sense for scum to setup a bus and then back off at the ideal time to bus. Honestly it still doesn't make a ton of sense lol Woodsman would've been better off sticking to the path he set down.

Uh, don't know how much I can be around today (as in literally today, not the day phase). I'll try to get some thoughts down - currently in two minds of whether to hone in on Sans or look at one of my blindspots in Kook or Neon.

Someone talk me down off the Sans edge because after Pazzo's argument yesterday I can't stop thinking about it.


This is exactly where I'm at. Like please, Alien, if you're town then put up a fight. You're not helping yourself or us.

I think the push on Woodsman, and eventual flip is the best argument in favor of Sans. It would have been a bus that started D4 while scum were already aware they were about to lose a second member back to back, and Sans decided "ah yes, lets go for the hat trick" by opening up D5 with a push on Woodsman, despite having plenty of reasons to continue down the path of Kook for instance (the last player Sans had cased and voted for D4 iirc). It really only works if you think scum super bussed for cred and assumed they were going to lose a third D5 regardless. If you think there's hope to weasel out you probably don't bus right after losing two members.

 

[Snow Creature]

I think the push on Woodsman, and eventual flip is the best argument in favor of Sans. It would have been a bus that started D4 while scum were already aware they were about to lose a second member back to back, and Sans decided "ah yes, lets go for the hat trick" by opening up D5 with a push on Woodsman, despite having plenty of reasons to continue down the path of Kook for instance (the last player Sans had cased and voted for D4 iirc). It really only works if you think scum super bussed for cred and assumed they were going to lose a third D5 regardless. If you think there's hope to weasel out you probably don't bus right after losing two members.

I'm doing a reread now and will look out for what Sans has to say about Woodsman on D4. Were they against them from then? If so, that's a good point.

On Kook, was it not you that threw out the theory that Sans might want to keep Kook alive as the arsonist. Thoughts on that now? In fact, you put a case against Sans yesterday, does none of that ring valid for you anymore after yesterday?

My alternative take is that Woodsman's days were numbered - people were honing in on that idea for a while. What better time for a bus? But I might be overestimating how much heat Woodsman was getting from others at that point.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

people were honing in on that idea for a while

Me and San were on the ground floor of honing in on Woodsman. I was pushing there since day 3 and San by at least early day 4.

You can read it as good town read or bus attempt but recognize we were the key players that made the push happen.

 

[Snow Creature]

Me and San were on the ground floor of honing in on Woodsman. I was pushing there since day 3 and San by at least early day 4.

You can read it as good town read or bus attempt but recognize we were the key players that made the push happen.

Okay, thank you. I'll keep that in mind.

Struggling to know where to look today, not gonna lie.

 

[BooBeard]

Vote:BooBeard

You wound me.

I don't want to vote for you because you stuck your neck out for me early in the game. You're not really doing yourself any favours right now and with day end yesterday though.

 

[BooBeard]

I think I'm done waffling on Kook. I want to see the flip. I am starting to buy this arsonist theory.

Vote: Spooky Space Kook

Trying to be objective and remove personal feelings from the logic, I do think Alien has been more visibly suspicious lately than Kook, so I understand if others want to pursue them first.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Finally read kook, ok I get it now.

Scooby Doo 2: Mafia Unleashed - This time there are costumes!

wrong quoted post Congrats on finding all the right keys to make your correction.

www.outermafia.com

if actually mafia and not neutral that post is very funny.

she was jumping down snow creature’s throat like geno, defended char And woodsman in a quietly deflecting way before they died, and has agreed with alien that they would NEVER offer themselves as a sacrifice on d1 if they were mafia. Arsonist was playing scum-aligned in early game. Now she’s seeming more cooperative with town, just….like….the arsonist….maybe.

flipping her is fine with me. I think we also need alien. Arsonist could douse pazzo and please me personally, he’s been waffling again [in my estimation, not necessarily in his gameplay], also he’s seemed to be connected with kook imo. Her mafia flip would make him look bad.

i don’t see alien as neut, only possible mafia.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

I'm doing a reread now and will look out for what Sans has to say about Woodsman on D4. Were they against them from then? If so, that's a good point.

On Kook, was it not you that threw out the theory that Sans might want to keep Kook alive as the arsonist. Thoughts on that now? In fact, you put a case against Sans yesterday, does none of that ring valid for you anymore after yesterday?

My alternative take is that Woodsman's days were numbered - people were honing in on that idea for a while. What better time for a bus? But I might be overestimating how much heat Woodsman was getting from others at that point.

I'm pretty sure she started in on him D4 unless my memory is just completely hosed. The theory held a lot more water with me before the Woodsman flip, especially with how the day ended. If you're mafia setting up a bus on a teammate, all to protect the arsonist, first that's wild and dedication, but also I wouldn't have expected the day end scramble. You would be much more likely to just fully commit. I'm pretty sure I said last phase I didn't love Woodsman's play, but that I didn't think he was a likely scummate with Sans - and since at the time Sans was my top scum read that's where my vote went. Ultimately with the vote flurry near day end I couldn't ignore that it felt like an effort to derail the Woodsman wagon. Just makes it harder for me to believe it was scum vs scum there. That would mean mafia was dedicated to a bus and the vote flurry was either just a fluke from all town or a great fucking smokescreen. Especially with Woodsman being a goon - that would make him the best one to bus most likely. So why the vote movement at EOD? Once I get to doing the vote analysis hopefully that paints a better picture.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Finally read kook, ok I get it now.

Scooby Doo 2: Mafia Unleashed - This time there are costumes!

wrong quoted post Congrats on finding all the right keys to make your correction.

www.outermafia.com

if actually mafia and not neutral that post is very funny.

she was jumping down snow creature’s throat like geno, defended char And woodsman in a quietly deflecting way before they died, and has agreed with alien that they would NEVER offer themselves as a sacrifice on d1 if they were mafia. Arsonist was playing scum-aligned in early game. Now she’s seeming more cooperative with town, just….like….the arsonist….maybe.

flipping her is fine with me. I think we also need alien. Arsonist could douse pazzo and please me personally, he’s been waffling again [in my estimation, not necessarily in his gameplay], also he’s seemed to be connected with kook imo. Her mafia flip would make him look bad.

i don’t see alien as neut, only possible mafia.

I agree with basically every part of this post.

Alien and kook are great flips.

I'm pretty worried one of the scum will be a deep wolf we are bot thinking about. I Probably should look over some people who are not that suspicious and see of anything new stands out.

 

[Snow Creature]

I'm pretty sure she started in on him D4 unless my memory is just completely hosed. The theory held a lot more water with me before the Woodsman flip, especially with how the day ended. If you're mafia setting up a bus on a teammate, all to protect the arsonist, first that's wild and dedication, but also I wouldn't have expected the day end scramble. You would be much more likely to just fully commit. I'm pretty sure I said last phase I didn't love Woodsman's play, but that I didn't think he was a likely scummate with Sans - and since at the time Sans was my top scum read that's where my vote went. Ultimately with the vote flurry near day end I couldn't ignore that it felt like an effort to derail the Woodsman wagon. Just makes it harder for me to believe it was scum vs scum there. That would mean mafia was dedicated to a bus and the vote flurry was either just a fluke from all town or a great fucking smokescreen. Especially with Woodsman being a goon - that would make him the best one to bus most likely. So why the vote movement at EOD? Once I get to doing the vote analysis hopefully that paints a better picture.

Fair points all round, you're right. Sans isn't the right person to look at right now.

Skunk puts a great case forward - I'll take a look at Kook instead.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Vote:Neon Phantom

Neon fits the profile of arsonist perfect to me. They are playing a really great game and Vote wise things line up ok. I kept getting red flag popping in my head because They never seem to stick there neck out that far to push despite having some decent points

Neon legit feels like he is trying to solve which a neutral would do since Mafia is unknown however does not want to bee a focus of attention.

When someone mentioned checking to see if a player has never vote against a Doused target i went back and saw Neon has not pushed any doused targets.

This is not a strong read and I am terrible at Vote analyzing so Can some one double check my work looking at Neon's Vote history and pushes

 

[San Franpsycho]

I am SO glad people are finally going to actually look at Kook. I would also love to see everyone's PoE or top 2-3 candidates.

 

[Alien]

Is it totally inconceivable that after losing CGG and Gnome scum decided their best chance was to consecutively bus? First Woodsman and then Kook. If Sans is the Arsonist it would mean they only need one misvote to have three more town lined up to die. This is obviously reliant on the Arsonist not being Neutral but at this point I feel that's kinda unlikely because the WinCon just seems overly harsh.

(This isn't neccessarily reliant on Kook being one of the final scum but it certainly helps to set things up.)

So hypothetically I'm voted out plus the NK brings us down to 9. Then presumably Kook goes as well as a further NK. At this point there's 7 players left with 3 doused. All the remaining scum player would need to do is a avoid death and they'd make their way into a final 3.

Further to this I believe the two town players that will live to endgame will be Lightning and Boo. I've thought about it and those two both have the most obvious cases against them at this point in time (assuming myself and Kook are dead by this point). I've no doubt a veteran player would feel confident enough to be successful in a vote out scenario involving these two. In all seriousness if it does come down to you too genuinely think about why you're both still alive.