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FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
its blarg
i feel it
they gonna keep shooting until they kill one of us
i feel it
they gonna keep shooting until they kill one of us
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
its hedin
the true enemy is the narrator
the true enemy is the narrator
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
i want to see how scum EC plays
LMFAO
LMFAO
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
i bet you, hes vanilla lol
Leo
Quack Pack King
I don't think there are two scum teams, there are already at least 6 non town players in the game, 33% of the roster.
Town has at least two vanillas, so it's not like they're crazy powered. On top of that, our team still has the tailor thing.
Looking at balance, those have to be misfired vig shots, but it's so weird vigs would shoot VA n1. Zeke I could see. There might be some passive killing ability going on, but it's surely been fucking up town.
Town has at least two vanillas, so it's not like they're crazy powered. On top of that, our team still has the tailor thing.
Looking at balance, those have to be misfired vig shots, but it's so weird vigs would shoot VA n1. Zeke I could see. There might be some passive killing ability going on, but it's surely been fucking up town.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Yeah, and it's getting traction with the speculation about Geno (rip).
I think we should leave them to it and not interfere too much, as we can always use it later as "look at this person trying to confuse town with this two scum teams talk"
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
bus me guys
my heart isnt into it today
:ghostblush
my heart isnt into it today
:ghostblush
Leo
Quack Pack King
I would but i don't even see what are the arguments against you lol
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
imma be so sad if i just slither by again
with people thinking of votting me
with people thinking of votting me
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
I gotta say
i love how much you guys are posting
lets show em that scum can be the top poster and not get bye with lurking/low posting
i love how much you guys are posting
lets show em that scum can be the top poster and not get bye with lurking/low posting
Leo
Quack Pack King
Can he see who voted who?
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
It's on a completely different website, so it's not linked to Era account, but anyone can see the results. I think he probably made it hoping that mafia would spam the poll with votes for townies, so he could then assume that those highly voted in the poll are town, since the votes are anonymous. But it won't work because we're not going to do that.
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
: P
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
what do you think is happening? town is playing too lax or are we playing too good?
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
They are faar to relaxed
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
It's 100% our genius play. That and the help of the mystery killer. Also they're too relaxed.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
i always knew crows were geniuses
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
Leo
Quack Pack King
I think their morale is a little low because their numbers are dropping very quickly with all these double kills. No one has any idea what's up with that, plus D1 and D2 were really rough on clues to pick up.
We're getting really lucky with the mysterious killer's targets, hopefully one of us won't be the next one lol
My gut is either Blarg or Launch are the killer, if they're neutral.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Reminds me of this moment:
That reminds me I've always wondered where your avatar is from, Haw! Is it a game?
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
Leo
Quack Pack King
If it's a town vig i don't think it's launch either, but it's a neutral killer, i could see it be him. He seems to be determined to be the town leader.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
Yes! It's Mr. Crow from the Rusty Lake/Cube Escape games. They're a series of point and click games with a creepy/surreal backstory. Originally they were all made in flash and free online. I love them. When I was signing up for Era (so that I could play mafia) I thought to myself "this is a video game website. I should have a video game icon to show that I can fit in." But it turns out nobody else knows those games XD
Stu said that he was waiting until tomorrow to confirm something. But IDK if he would make such anti-town choices as a town vig. One of them could have been the result of Zeke's switch, but both kills were pretty bad for town. I think we'd be looking for a less cautious player.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Lol yeah, I've never heard about them before! But they sound right up my alley, will check it out
Leo
Quack Pack King
Thanks! :) I think we're having a very good day so far, good chances of lynching another townie without having to get out of our way too much.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
Leo
Quack Pack King
There's no town part in you, Fate. You're 120% evil
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
heck off leo
im a poor blob
im 90% tears 9% good and 1 % evil
im a poor blob
im 90% tears 9% good and 1 % evil
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
heck off leo
im a poor blob
im 90% tears 9% good and 1 % evil
XD everyone gets a taste of LEO :D
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
I'm putting in our notes that it's time to stage an intervention.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
hedin
r u going to do anything or?
r u going to do anything or?
I'm about to play skeeball.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
go eat a cheeseburger hedin
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
Just fyi i will be away in around 2 hours time and propably will not be there for day end.
That's why I want to push out some posts before leaving. I will probably be able to make a short post here and there but nothing deep since i will have to paint my new apartment.
Do whatever is best for our team. If that is voting me out , so be it
That's why I want to push out some posts before leaving. I will probably be able to make a short post here and there but nothing deep since i will have to paint my new apartment.
Do whatever is best for our team. If that is voting me out , so be it
Leo
Quack Pack King
Lol no it's super fine! You did a good defense, it's exploitable and I'll try to gauge my answer in a way that it will feel natural if i have to move my vote later.
I'm still optimistic we can get town misvoted today, let's see how things play out
Leo
Quack Pack King
That said, Stu kinda dropped a bomb in the thread, and I'm trying to make sense of it.
I don't think he's full of shit because there's definitely something weird going on in the game with 2 non mafia getting killed every night. This is a bastard game and so far it has played fairly straightforward. I remember some of the reviewers saying this would be a good one and we wouldn't want to miss it, and the last time I've seen people talking like that was in MGS, so I think the info Stu has is real.
I don't think he's full of shit because there's definitely something weird going on in the game with 2 non mafia getting killed every night. This is a bastard game and so far it has played fairly straightforward. I remember some of the reviewers saying this would be a good one and we wouldn't want to miss it, and the last time I've seen people talking like that was in MGS, so I think the info Stu has is real.
Leo
Quack Pack King
I'm not even sure what I'm going do here because I don't know what we can do with this information, but if im at least a little bit close to the truth i feel like I have to share my thoughts. This might be the biggest tinfoil hat I've ever made myself in my mafia career, so brace yourselves.
Stu says the flips are being manipulated and town is in a much better position than it seems. This all aligns with 1- the tailor mechanic that, supposedly, only we know about and 2- two non mafia deaths that we can't make sense of. If we believe Stu, the obvious conclusion here is that at least one mafia member has already been killed and we don't know.
Now that's weird, because we're obviously all here and are all alive. I don't see another scum team besides us because it just doesn't add up, another scum team would add a minimum of 2 mafia players to a total of 6 in a game with 18 players where 2 are confirmed neutral. These numbers just aren't possible.
In MGS we had Ephidel being a double double agent, she was in both scum teams but was actually a neutral, and neither team had any idea about that.
So I'm thinking, what if there are two scum teams but actually only 4/5 mafia players, and there are actually town players infiltrated in both our team and the other to even out the numbers?
I know it sounds ridiculous, but it would be one hell of a design. Maybe the infiltrated town players have some wacky conditions to stop them from disclosing who the mafia members are in the team they are infiltrated. And maybe Stu is one of these infiltrators in the other team, and he made it look like it was part of scum play in the other chat to give that info to town?
So if something along those lines is happening, we might have scum mates in the other team who are already dead, but we don't know because Hedin tailored their flip (making it look to the other team that that was a mechanic on the mafia's favor, like he did here).
So basically what I'm trying to say is, there might be an impostor between us. As i said, I don't know what to do with this assumption, and I'm not sure I want to even consider it as i keep playing because that might fuck up our teamwork. So I'm just putting this here for you to think about it. One way or another, i think something is up and we should be on the look out.
Stu says the flips are being manipulated and town is in a much better position than it seems. This all aligns with 1- the tailor mechanic that, supposedly, only we know about and 2- two non mafia deaths that we can't make sense of. If we believe Stu, the obvious conclusion here is that at least one mafia member has already been killed and we don't know.
Now that's weird, because we're obviously all here and are all alive. I don't see another scum team besides us because it just doesn't add up, another scum team would add a minimum of 2 mafia players to a total of 6 in a game with 18 players where 2 are confirmed neutral. These numbers just aren't possible.
In MGS we had Ephidel being a double double agent, she was in both scum teams but was actually a neutral, and neither team had any idea about that.
So I'm thinking, what if there are two scum teams but actually only 4/5 mafia players, and there are actually town players infiltrated in both our team and the other to even out the numbers?
I know it sounds ridiculous, but it would be one hell of a design. Maybe the infiltrated town players have some wacky conditions to stop them from disclosing who the mafia members are in the team they are infiltrated. And maybe Stu is one of these infiltrators in the other team, and he made it look like it was part of scum play in the other chat to give that info to town?
So if something along those lines is happening, we might have scum mates in the other team who are already dead, but we don't know because Hedin tailored their flip (making it look to the other team that that was a mechanic on the mafia's favor, like he did here).
So basically what I'm trying to say is, there might be an impostor between us. As i said, I don't know what to do with this assumption, and I'm not sure I want to even consider it as i keep playing because that might fuck up our teamwork. So I'm just putting this here for you to think about it. One way or another, i think something is up and we should be on the look out.
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
Sorry guys, I couldn't post for a long stretch yesterday. Will get caught up & post briefly now, then I'll be out again for a bit but back for EoD.
Definitely keep it on me, IMO. Unless it's a situation where there are two big trains when you're last around before EoD and you might get shaded for having an off-wagon vote. Then you can be like "I can't believe you idiots won't vote Hawthorn!! Only switching because I need my vote to count!"
Loving your strategy. I think people sometimes try to talk about mafia like it's a logic puzzle and the best logic wins, but IMO at least 50% of the game is emotional manipulation.
Leo, in my opinion we should NOT go down the rabbit hole of thinking that we can't trust each other. I don't think we have an Ephi or a town mole in our ranks, but if we do we can deal with it in late game. Us entertaining that idea is like what's happening to town when they think too much about a second mafia team. It just makes us crazy paranoid.
Stu's cryptic comments are designed to strike panic into mafia who are reading them.
Options are:
1. He's town and totally bullshitting to make mafia scared
2. He's our killer, he's neutral, and he's trying to survive another day
3. He was given info about the tailoring mechanic as part of his role but he mistakenly thinks it's already happened
4. He's town and he has some complicated theory which is totally barking up the wrong tree, given how sure he seems to be that rac is mafia
5. something else
We should think about maybe night-killing him, since I doubt we can push him to be voted out now. But we know what at least one bastard element in the game is -- the tailoring mechanic is bastard even if it's never used -- so we don't need to wonder where the bastard element is. What I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't stop trusting each other because that could lead to disaster.
Definitely keep it on me, IMO. Unless it's a situation where there are two big trains when you're last around before EoD and you might get shaded for having an off-wagon vote. Then you can be like "I can't believe you idiots won't vote Hawthorn!! Only switching because I need my vote to count!"
Loving your strategy. I think people sometimes try to talk about mafia like it's a logic puzzle and the best logic wins, but IMO at least 50% of the game is emotional manipulation.
Leo, in my opinion we should NOT go down the rabbit hole of thinking that we can't trust each other. I don't think we have an Ephi or a town mole in our ranks, but if we do we can deal with it in late game. Us entertaining that idea is like what's happening to town when they think too much about a second mafia team. It just makes us crazy paranoid.
Stu's cryptic comments are designed to strike panic into mafia who are reading them.
Options are:
1. He's town and totally bullshitting to make mafia scared
2. He's our killer, he's neutral, and he's trying to survive another day
3. He was given info about the tailoring mechanic as part of his role but he mistakenly thinks it's already happened
4. He's town and he has some complicated theory which is totally barking up the wrong tree, given how sure he seems to be that rac is mafia
5. something else
We should think about maybe night-killing him, since I doubt we can push him to be voted out now. But we know what at least one bastard element in the game is -- the tailoring mechanic is bastard even if it's never used -- so we don't need to wonder where the bastard element is. What I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't stop trusting each other because that could lead to disaster.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
its me guys
im the double agent
maybe stu is our serial killer? or maybe they have a way to bring the people they killed back to life?
that would suck lol
im the double agent
maybe stu is our serial killer? or maybe they have a way to bring the people they killed back to life?
that would suck lol
Leo
Quack Pack King
You're right. I wouldn't be worried if his claim didn't seemingly have to do with info only we are supposed to have, but 3 is quite possible, yeah. I'm still uneasy because there has to be some catch to this game we aren't picking up on. And the existence of the tailor thing has to have some something to do with it, I doubt it's only meant to benefit mafia.
But I agree with you that this shouldn't change the way we play for now. It's early still, and until we can gather more info, we should keep focusing on our synergy and team work.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
I agree with leo, we cant afford to start daydrreaming about another scum team and focus on surviving today and Nking launch or fran
my biggest worry is what if the 2nd flips arnt flips
what if they are being removed from the game and put back down the line
whatever lets just focus on right now
if you guys have to bus me to get more town cred Leo and haw haw
go for it
my biggest worry is what if the 2nd flips arnt flips
what if they are being removed from the game and put back down the line
whatever lets just focus on right now
if you guys have to bus me to get more town cred Leo and haw haw
go for it
Leo
Quack Pack King
Lol that would be fun. But then our roles would probably be non fiction people, like Stephen Hawking or Thomas Hobbes.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Leo
Quack Pack King
We need another alternative cause I don't think Stu's gonna take off today after what happened. I'll try to think of something.
In the meanwhile, you should probably consider if you're gonna have a claim ready or not. I honestly don't know, especially now that Stu brought up the awereness that the flips might be getting tailored.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
I will take Drizzt Do'Urden and go vanilla
unless yall have a fake claim that i can with, i could get away with jailer LOL, and u guys were against me claiming role blocker
unless yall have a fake claim that i can with, i could get away with jailer LOL, and u guys were against me claiming role blocker
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
Leo
Quack Pack King
Claiming vanilla could work even with the tailoring. If the random role is vanilla, awesome, if its a PR, town could always infer Fate simply didn't want to disclose his PR. Then again, claiming vanilla won't exactly help much.
I don't know, I'm fine with whatever you guys decide haha
I don't know, I'm fine with whatever you guys decide haha
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
I laid the foundation to switch also if need be— fate isn’t my main scum read & I had rac on my list too. I don’t think that we’ll get to the needing a claim stage. If we do, and if you don’t want to go for my strategy of avoiding claims, I think vanilla is good. It’s actually more believable with multiple power roles flipped
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
yall can just bust me at this point lol
get that TOWN LOCK haw haw
get that TOWN LOCK haw haw
Leo
Quack Pack King
No need, i think we can lunch rac
I'm on this wagon with three people I'm scum reading let's hope no one notices :~
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
up to you
i personally think its worth losing me if you and nin get solid town locks
right now its 5-4, but im monitoring thread
sooner or later i will die
i personally think its worth losing me if you and nin get solid town locks
right now its 5-4, but im monitoring thread
sooner or later i will die
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
if bojack flips on me, i dont think its worth it for you haw haw to flip as well
ive been consisting scumming you, so dont flip for me
ive been consisting scumming you, so dont flip for me
Hawthorn
I'll explain my reasons later
We're so close though ... we could be at 4-6 tomorrow! Even more if the mystery killer helps us out again.
Tell you what, what if I post and say that I'll flip if it's a tie since I scum read both of you. That's actually what town would do, and that protects you if rac suddenly disregards the poll votes for self-preservation.
Tell you what, what if I post and say that I'll flip if it's a tie since I scum read both of you. That's actually what town would do, and that protects you if rac suddenly disregards the poll votes for self-preservation.
Leo
Quack Pack King
I'm not sure. The dark horse here is if rac will move from his poll vote to save himself or not.
If he does that sooner than later, I think we can use it so it's viable for you to move to him. But if he waits until the last minute, we might have to lose Fate.
I don't know, it's up to you.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
i laid everything i had out
its up to thread
if i die, its been an honour being scum with you haw haw, leo and nin
i am proud of all you guys
Leo
Quack Pack King
There's a tie now lol