Scum Thread High House Chains

[FateShirou]

so i guess they were lovers?
sawneeks and VA

 

[Hawthorn]

Looks like our mystery killer got VA. Good thing we didn't switch to him like I suggested.

With an N1 strike at VA, I would guess it's a killing neutral, not town. I kind of suspect ATP, but how would he know the identity so early??

 

[Hawthorn]

They're from separate books though. I don't think that can be it.

 

[Hawthorn]

We could push that Sawneeks & Geno were lovers somehow & she had a delayed reaction to his death, would work perfectly with canon, but I don't know if we want to cover up for the mystery killer.

 

[FateShirou]

if you wanna play that sure, but just be weary about focusing too much on lore/favour

 

[Hawthorn]

Role name	Player	Origin	Author
Sancia Grado	Sample PM	Founder trilogy	Robert Jackson Bennett
Eli Monpress	Fake claim	The Legend of Eli Monpress	Rachel Aaron
Drizzt Do'Urden	Fake claim	Forgotten Realms	multiple authors
Kelsier	Fake claim	Mistborn	Brian Sanderson
Lyra Bellacqua	Fake claim	His Dark Materials	Philip Pullman
The Lady	Leo	?	?
The Crippled God	Hawthorn	Malazan: Book of the Fallen	Steven Erikson
Prince Regal	Fate	The Princess Bride	William Goldman
Ruin	Nin	?	?
The Fool	Geno	Realm of the Elderlings	Robin Hobb
FitzChivalry Farseer	Sawneeks	Realm of the Elderlings	Robin Hobb
Padan Fain	VA	Wheel of Time	Robert Jordan

Updated. We now know that there can be two characters from a single source, but still a pretty big spread so far.

 

[Hawthorn]

if you wanna play that sure, but just be weary about focusing too much on lore/favour

No, I think that's a bad idea because we don't want to cover up for the mystery killer, we want pressure on them to reveal.

 

[FateShirou]

ok so theres precedent that two characters from the same series can show up
thanks for that haw haw

 

[Hawthorn]

ok so theres precedent that two characters from the same series can show up
thanks for that haw haw

NP. I don't know many video games so it's not often I get to enjoy the flavor

 

[Hawthorn]

Also, good for us for getting the tracker!

Imagine if we killed ATP last night. It would be a real photo finish for VA.

 

[FateShirou]

i still want to kill ATP

 

[Hawthorn]

We'll have to if too many people believe Jman/Launch's arguments. He'll get to "sort of mechnically cleared" status.

 

[FateShirou]

ok so now we have to figure out how VA died
if they got vig? but why would vig take a shot on N1 unless a crazy person had it.....blarg?

 

[Hawthorn]

ok so now we have to figure out how VA died
if they got vig? but why would vig take a shot on N1 unless a crazy person had it.....blarg?

That's why I think that it's probably a killing neutral, not town, because shooting at VA at this stage in the game doesn't fit with what town would do.

 

[FateShirou]

if it was blarg who shot va, they would have left breadcrumbs or something
i think blarg leaves clues when they do a gambit

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah, agree. No style to this kill. And Blarg can do crazy plans but they have logic behind them. He wouldn't just shoot a random player N1 as town, maybe not even as neutral.

 

[FateShirou]

lets see where ATP goes with this zeke thing
and yea im posting more today, lets hope i dont screw this up xD

 

[Hawthorn]

You're doing great so far! I like having you on the opposite side of ATP here. You sound more sensible, but hopefully ATP goes somewhere. It would be amazing if Zeke was the D2 kills.

 

[Leo]

so i guess they were lovers?
sawneeks and VA

We could push that Sawneeks & Geno were lovers somehow & she had a delayed reaction to his death, would work perfectly with canon, but I don't know if we want to cover up for the mystery killer.

If they were lovers, that would have been in their pms, i think.

I have no clue what's going on honestly lol i can't contribute here or in the thread much

 

[Hawthorn]

You're doing great, Leo. We have a nice spread of people town reading the three of us, but nobody has grouped any of us together, which is pretty good. Plus we're in a nice place with the kills.

 

[nin1000]

will agree with rac and put down a vote on you.

I will pressure you but overall drop the vote later on.
Dont worry i know you can take the heat!

 

[nin1000]

Sorry for all the wall of texts.

At this early stage it is still very hard to find a proper person to push forward as a lunch candidate.

I will try to roast Zeke a bit and Fate if he decides to join me.

 

[nin1000]

how about we wait until more players are around and then we do our little dance @FateShirou or you want to postpone it ?

 

[FateShirou]

how about we wait until more players are around and then we do our little dance @FateShirou or you want to postpone it ?

its 7am nin, im going back to bed

 

[nin1000]

its 7am nin, im going back to bed

LuL

 

[Hawthorn]

We probably do have to kill ATP tonight.

 

[Hawthorn]

After he dared to not town read me???? Death.

 

[nin1000]

yeah, ATP is also in my take-down list

 

[nin1000]

Feel free to respond to me aswell, will take off the vote soonish but not that soon, since that would just look kinda weird.

 

[Hawthorn]

Feel free to respond to me aswell, will take off the vote soonish but not that soon, since that would just look kinda weird.

You said the same thing as rac, so I just bundled it in, would feel weird to go back now. Sorry, I should have quoted you in my same post too.

 

[nin1000]

Its okay, Seems like Zeke aswell as Blarg will get some traction today,

i will respond to you and then later on hop on the blarg pro train or PUshing Zeke a bit.

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah, I'm hoping it goes in the Zeke direction. Blarg will get the suspicion off him once he shows up, IMO, the question is whether it'll swing in my direction, Zeke's, or some random other person. Too early to tell.

 

[Leo]

I think we have to start pushing some scum reads. The game has been slow and there isn't much for town to pick up, so Haw's wagon could easily get traction. Hopefully Zeke and Blarg will show up so we can pin something on them lol

 

[Leo]

I think Launch should be a candidate for the NK tonight too

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah, I legitimately am busy today, but I'll come up with someone to push when I log on after work. Don't worry too much about trying to defend me. In my experience the people who've got a bit of traction early in the day rarely end up being actually voted out. We're still less than 24 hours in.

 

[FateShirou]

im thinking of roleblocking ATP and let one of you take down ATP

for the situation right now
i think its pretty good, we are still early on the day phrase, let them kick rocks on haw as long as they can, we need to push through and get a TR on haw
lets not buckle down

 

[FateShirou]

Yeah, I legitimately am busy today, but I'll come up with someone to push when I log on after work. Don't worry too much about trying to defend me. In my experience the people who've got a bit of traction early in the day rarely end up being actually voted out. We're still less than 24 hours in.

yea its good this is happening EARLY on rather than later

 

[nin1000]

yea its good this is happening EARLY on rather than later

Go to bed

 

[FateShirou]

Go to bed

 

[nin1000]

Man, launch looked right through me :D

 

[nin1000]

ATP going Jman who digged himself into a hole.

*chefs kiss*

 

[nin1000]

Nice pressure vote there @Leo it is a very natural looking vote

 

[heymonkey]

how dare you

 

[FateShirou]

JFC
dont quote me here
i thought i was getting modkilled or something

 

[FateShirou]

I gotta be honest with you guys
i feel terrible with how things r right now

should i push ATP and jman or just let it play out/

 

[nin1000]

damn, that escalated quickly

 

[nin1000]

I think its done for the moment.
Lets not put in any more fire into this.

 

[Leo]

I feel a bit bad too but I think our work there is done. This is very providential lol

 

[nin1000]

holy shit, fate with that comeback xD

 

[nin1000]

I feel a bit bad too but I think our work there is done. This is very providential lol

yeah, i am not even going to push for Jman, Rac on the other hand is someone we could take a look at.
Still, every vote is shaky atm

 

[Hawthorn]

I really like Jman, but that reaction wasn't fair to ATP in my opinion. Probably best not to go over it though.

I'm divided between pushing Zeke and Zipped. I feel like there's more there to dig my teeth into with Zeke, but he's also more likely to fight hard against being eliminated. I'm not that credible right now anyway, so in a sense it doesn't really matter which way my personal vote goes. Will reread and see which one I can make more of a case for. I don't want to get on the Blarg pressure train because I have the feeling that'll evaporate when/if he shows up. Then you guys could go for rac if you like.

Man, launch looked right through me :D

He was also right that I totally slipped by assuming that a neutral killed VA rather than Sawneeks. Luckily nobody else has mentioned it so far.

 

[Hawthorn]

I'm going to try to get to a credible-sounding EC vote. He's easy to push because he never likes to explain his reads, or even give reads early on. But we haven't actually played together, so I can pretend I don't know that. Then I'll jump from there to one of the other top trains if it doesn't get traction. I think I see the push on me fading. Good thing Fran didn't come in scum reading me.

 

[Leo]

Zeke is playing a strong town game imo, i think it will be hard to get him voted out. We probably should consider him as a nk

 

[Leo]

Haw, I'm gonna prod Fran on what's his read on you, ok? Jman was defending you earlier, and I want to link their opinions to their role.

 

[Hawthorn]

Zeke is playing a strong town game imo, i think it will be hard to get him voted out. We probably should consider him as a nk

Yeah, he's definitely got to be on the list. I'm thinking him, ATP, maybe Launchpad as good options.

 

[FateShirou]

yea once we get rid of zeke and ATP, its open sailing for us
*evil laughter*

 

[FateShirou]

lmfao
fran got the 3/4 scum team
:lul

 

[Leo]

lmfao
fran got the 3/4 scum team
:lul

I'm a bit shook, i won't lie lol

 

[FateShirou]

I'm a bit shook, i won't lie lol

fran gonna be shook when he looks over that post at game end LOL

 

[Leo]

He made a really good entrance. He probably sees right through my bullshit against jman haha

Hoping to keep EC around as long as we can, he never fails to trigger town.

 

[nin1000]

He was also right that I totally slipped by assuming that a neutral killed VA rather than Sawneeks. Luckily nobody else has mentioned it so far.

yeah, we have to get rid of him asap

 

[Hawthorn]

ATP, Zeke, Launchpad, and Fran are a good short list. I'm leaning towards ATP because so many people consider him to be mechanically cleared by VA. We can talk about it overnight though.

 

[Hawthorn]

Some good town players this game. Good thing the cop and tracker are dead is all I can say.

 

[nin1000]

ATP, Zeke, Launchpad, and Fran are a good short list. I'm leaning towards ATP because so many people consider him to be mechanically cleared by VA. We can talk about it overnight though.

Yeah i agree, the thing is with Launch, as much as i would like him to be taken out. Him being taken out after his read list would be too obvious.

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah i agree, the thing is with Launch, as much as i would like him to be taken out. Him being taken out after his read list would be too obvious.

Launch is more down the line than the others IMO, but I feel fine about blatantly killing whoever suspects any of us. The thing is that town never actually pays any attention to the reads lists of dead town players.

 

[FateShirou]

i think our gameplan should be to try and push a zipped/kenny lynch and then kill atp tonight, go into trmw and see what happens
we may have to bus haw, but lets not get too far ahead

 

[FateShirou]

maybe we got a vig who can shoot every night until they kill scum?
that n1 kill on va is still on my mind

 

[FateShirou]

unless we have a lost scum member ?

 

[Hawthorn]

i think our gameplan should be to try and push a zipped/kenny lynch and then kill atp tonight, go into trmw and see what happens
we may have to bus haw, but lets not get too far ahead

Agree with that plan.

There's no enthusiasm behind the push for me, I'm pretty confident I'm going to survive D2, then I'll hopefully have more time to come up with convincing fake reads on D3. We should bus each other if it seems natural though. Right now I'm suspecting Leo, town reading nin, & ignoring you.

unless we have a lost scum member ?

I would love it, but they don't usually have killing powers right? I would guess most likely another neutral who has some condition of who he needs to kill, maybe like VA's role or with needing to hit some combo of mafia and town, or else a town vig player in the hands of the kind of unstable player who would shoot at VA N1.

 

[Hawthorn]

That said, if I get voted out, I'm not going to claim, I'm going to take the 25% chance of a random town flip instead. Probably will just stop posting if I get too close to death, I might not have time anyway. You guys should bus me only if you've laid the foundation, IMO-- it looks too suspicious to switch your vote right when someone's about to die, because that looks like the late bus vote that it is. It's too late for me to turn it around and seem more town-like today, will try tomorrow if I survive.

 

[FateShirou]

if you fall i doubt the rest of us, besides nin last too long
i think this is where experience as scum comes into play
wether to bust you or hope town goes thru with zipped

 

[Hawthorn]

if you fall i doubt the rest of us, besides nin last too long
i think this is where experience as scum comes into play
wether to bust you or hope town goes thru with zipped

I think you could hold the line!

But if you want my advice I think you in particular shouldn't bus because you've already defended me several times. Switching your opinion is hard to pull off at the best of times even as town, and you wouldn't get any credit for the bus anyway, because people would be looking at the late votes. Bussing only works if you've built up suspicion of your partner over a longer series of posts.

Same goes for Leo. Nin hasn't really mentioned me that much, so I think he could get away with a switch if he wanted to bus now, but it's not 100% necessary. Obviously I would prefer to live, but what's most important at EoD in my view is appearing consistent with your previous opinions (when it comes to your final vote at least -- Fate, I think you often move your vote around a lot, so you should do what's in character for you).

Just my thoughts. I'll feel terrible if I let down the team by being busy, so don't say that the game's lost if I get voted off!!

 

[Hawthorn]

Fran seems to have moved to pressuring Zipped, so maybe we'll get there.

 

[Hawthorn]

I forgot how terrifying this part is XD

 

[FateShirou]

just relax and wait
the EoD rush should start in 2ish hours

 

[Hawthorn]

just relax and wait
the EoD rush should start in 2ish hours

It's hard to relax when you're facing death, Fate. When you're staring into the inky depths of the abyss.

 

[nin1000]

Man on the one hand i want to vote zipped on the other hand i want to vote you hawthorn.

No hard feelings :*

 

[Hawthorn]

I left instructions for you in the main thread! That will resolve your quandry!

Seriously, it's up to you. If you think it'll look suspicious to go for zipped, then vote me 100%

 

[nin1000]

Yeah i think i will go back to my first push and argument @Hawthorn i know its risky and also terryfying.

please no hard feelings.

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah i think i will go back to my first push and argument @Hawthorn i know its risky and also terryfying.

please no hard feelings.

Of course no hard feelings, we're a team! What's important is for the team to win, not for any one player to survive.

 

[Hawthorn]

That said I hope I survive.

 

[nin1000]

In order not to push it harder than i must, i will now back off from posting and doing more damage to us.

 

[nin1000]

i need some distraction. this is too tense!

 

[Hawthorn]

Not to worry. Hopefully @Leo will come vote zipped a bit later, as he's on record supporting me. Launchpad already voted me, it's just not counting for some reason. I think Fran will go zipped over me, meaning the outliers are Blarg and EC, both wild cards in their own ways.

 

[FateShirou]

outliers are Blarg

 

[Hawthorn]

That's one cute seal.

 

[nin1000]

I am PRAYING right now

 

[nin1000]

if you fall i doubt the rest of us, besides nin last too long
i think this is where experience as scum comes into play
wether to bust you or hope town goes thru with zipped

I fucking suck at being scum. Just to let y'all know

 

[Hawthorn]

I descended to the depths of posting a blatant appeal to emotion.

 

[Hawthorn]

I fucking suck at being scum. Just to let y'all know

You're the most town read of any of us right now!

 

[nin1000]

I descended to the depths of posting a blatant appeal to emotion.

It worked on me! Then again it is town we are speaking of.

 

[Hawthorn]

It worked on me! Then again it is town we are speaking of.

Town are heartless and cruel

 

[nin1000]

that question came in nicely, will also put in EC as a candidate

 

[Hawthorn]

Maybe I should claim something. But it's riskier in a non-role-madness game. Plus, there's that 25% chance!!

 

[Hawthorn]

Oh great, time for the "it's quiet, too quiet!" reaction :-D

 

[nin1000]

Man Launchpad sure is a party pooper!

Whenever you might read this. You are one mean player!

 

[nin1000]

who the hell is Funibs

 

[Hawthorn]

That's Fate lol

 

[Hawthorn]

It's fine, he won't get any traction

 

[nin1000]

That's Fate lol