I have a plan you just have to trust me
- Thread starter Chuggernaut
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Hmm so semi tight deadline here, trying to debate if I join the fanto votes early as an easy "I'm not trusting of neutrals this early" vote, hoping that I can use the logic that I could have easily not voted to build up early town cred, or if I ride this "I'm new and dint have time to fully read" logic and abstain... choices choices.
I did see someone is proposing to look at me tomorrow, so not sure if building that case against it right now is better or not... might be too late to effectively jump that train without it being obvious bussing though
I did see someone is proposing to look at me tomorrow, so not sure if building that case against it right now is better or not... might be too late to effectively jump that train without it being obvious bussing though
Also thanks for the recaps here
Yeah, I think I'm gonna keep up my abstain strategy here since I outlined it previously. I think I can argue it either way,and maybe get melon to back me up if needed. That heat was from 1 person, so probably won't stick, and swapping my plan is sus
Leo
Quack Pack King
So good nks tonight I think would be ATP, Ephi or Faddy, but all three of them are likely to be protected/watched. Since we don't have strong kills anymore I'd rather compromise and play safer, so I think Kyan is a good option, he's fairly town read but will likely be ignored by night actions.
Zeke is a good rolecop shot as Fanto suggested.
I don't know who I could roleblock tonight but I probably should as I have three shots and who knows if I'll love enough to use all of them. I think LP and Vere would be good candidates? Maol is most likely scum so I say we let him do his thing for now.
Investigating ATP for Arthur might be risky tonight, I think we should try someone else and go back to ATP next night. Maybe Donnie? Dunno, total shot in the dark.
Zeke is a good rolecop shot as Fanto suggested.
I don't know who I could roleblock tonight but I probably should as I have three shots and who knows if I'll love enough to use all of them. I think LP and Vere would be good candidates? Maol is most likely scum so I say we let him do his thing for now.
Investigating ATP for Arthur might be risky tonight, I think we should try someone else and go back to ATP next night. Maybe Donnie? Dunno, total shot in the dark.
I lack any familiarity with RDR as well. But I'm going to just use that to my advantage and be like "look I have no clue, my role is my role, and if you wanna vote me for flavor reasons anyhow, that's a dumb move but I can't stop you"
Haven't really had time to figure out who to investigate yet, but Donnie works by me if you all think so. Agreed on kyan. If we do have other scum teams out, getting as many out early seems better than risking missing a shot here.
Haven't really had time to figure out who to investigate yet, but Donnie works by me if you all think so. Agreed on kyan. If we do have other scum teams out, getting as many out early seems better than risking missing a shot here.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Nearly all the RDR cast are in the van der Linde gang. The gang splinters up later into 2, with our scum team being the ‘baddies’ who sided with Dutch. The fake claims are for members who were the goodies that didn’t go against Arthur/John.
I’m good with the targets above.
Vote:EzekelRAGE
I’m good with the targets above.
Vote:EzekelRAGE
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
This command is invalid. I assume you mean kill?
Leo
Quack Pack King
Oh, I see, thanks! I'm thinking about going with a parity cop claim today if I need it, do you think it makes sense with any of these fake ones? I researched a bit and found about "eyewitnesses", I'm thinking about going with that, like I'm a generic "eyewitness".
I think he means rolecop.
I think either I or Captain should do the kill tonight. I'm gonna leave this here, if you have any objections please let me know
kill: Kyanrute
Roleblock: Lone_Prodigy
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I'm ok with being the kill if you all wanna use your other powers here. I don't have any strong leads on the whole nexus thing, but until I become someone likely to be hit by PRs, I don't think it's as useful to try to activate.
Hey Leo, how confident are you in your position in the game? Debating opening the day with some investigation at you for the whole discussion you had with Fanto and bringing up that potentially being an arranged discussion.
Think opening that can of worms will be too dangerous?
Think opening that can of worms will be too dangerous?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Leo
Quack Pack King
I think I'm in an alright position. I usually tend to be scum read a lot and so far it's happening less then usual, so I'd say go for it lol
Sounds good.
Going to let melon in on my thoughts here as well. I'm going to try to distance my play style as much as I can from Launch, approach the situations and roles publicly completely differently, so that I can have plausible deniability of "Ok, launch did that, but I also don't play anything like launch so it's not really fair to try to argue that we would act the same given the same role" later on if needed.
Also, I just tend to have my own style to doing things anyhow, but I think I can rope Melon in with me a bit more if I lean on her a bit more playing the "Man this is really tough to catch up on, this game is huge and it's already 30 pages in 2 days jfc" card harder.
Going to let melon in on my thoughts here as well. I'm going to try to distance my play style as much as I can from Launch, approach the situations and roles publicly completely differently, so that I can have plausible deniability of "Ok, launch did that, but I also don't play anything like launch so it's not really fair to try to argue that we would act the same given the same role" later on if needed.
Also, I just tend to have my own style to doing things anyhow, but I think I can rope Melon in with me a bit more if I lean on her a bit more playing the "Man this is really tough to catch up on, this game is huge and it's already 30 pages in 2 days jfc" card harder.
Has Fate publicly claimed anything btw? He had this post where he was asking for "2-3 names to check them out during the night phase": https://www.resetera.com/threads/re...acky-wild-west-adventure.581315/post-86649530
Is that to be read as a "So I can read their posts more and develop reads" or a "I'm a role cop lol" thing?
Is that to be read as a "So I can read their posts more and develop reads" or a "I'm a role cop lol" thing?
Interesting. Kyan was cult, and Ephidel was a tracker who's also dead now.
I wonder how many cult had, and if they have a factional kill of some sort, or if not, where the second one is coming from still.
I wonder how many cult had, and if they have a factional kill of some sort, or if not, where the second one is coming from still.
Despite hinting(?) it in the main thread, melon has not mentioned actually receiving a soup last night to me.
Leo
Quack Pack King
He hasn't claimed, I think that's just Fate trying to make conversation. He asks a lot of questions usually
Unless the cult started with more than 1 person, it's gone now. Sneeks had the ability to recruit, but that doesn't seem to have passed on to Kyan, his soup thing is unrelated as he used it one Faddy N1 when he wasn't in the cult yet (again, unless the cult started with more than one person, but I think that's unlikely).
The other kill is most likely another scum team, we investigated Maol N1 and got he's "The Head of the House" which is probably not town, so I'm betting he's scum. I'm gonna keep going after him today. This might be a tunnel, but i genuinely think Wiz might be scum too. If it looks like any of them will flip, we have to try to be well positioned.
Count of people who've asked me "If I'm really wanting them to play today, or if they're prefer I have 1 more day" is like 2 now. Wizard and Nin.
Unclear if this is hot water or just me being nervous here.
Unclear if this is hot water or just me being nervous here.
Oh delightful.
Verelios claiming Fate is a "Scum switcher", and also claiming some investigation power. This is some good stuff.
Verelios claiming Fate is a "Scum switcher", and also claiming some investigation power. This is some good stuff.
Oh just FYI, Kyanrute's PM was updated silently, so it now reveals he was recruited for sure.
Also picked up the bait to engage with that small side discussion re: whether or not it was doctored. Just gonna save that thought in case it's beneficial for us to later argue about keeping the waters murky here.
Verelios = Town JOAT? I'm wondering if "I can still be of use to town" is a breadcrumb on that?
Leo
Quack Pack King
I think nin had something on your slot :S
Leo
Quack Pack King
I'm thinking about the Vere situation and I can make sense of it. I don't know how Vere could know Fate switched someone unless he's a rolecop, in which case he's most likely scum himself. But even then, Fate's a town switcher? I think Vere is bluffing and expects to trap Fate somehow, but I don't know about either of their alignments
That's why I'm thinking it's a potential JOAT role. It would line up with "can still be useful" meaning "I still have some powers left", and wouldn't be out of place given we've had a watcher and x-shot tracker flip already. The alternative is alternative scum team with a role-cop like us, who found a rolename that indicates a switcher on Fate.
Yeahhhhh this is gonna be rough. But if I have a red check, I'd rather get found out sooner than later, before it gives them more ammo on our interactions.
Obama is staring into my soul and I DO NOT like it.
Oooooof man do I regret saying "Yes" to his question
HIGHLY doubt this is going to work,but fuck it, let's claim switching happened and just go with a "I'm a town with a partner chat" claim. I think this game is being read as sufficiently bastard to raise doubts about whether that chat is scum or not though.
Actually, think that's a good idea? I checked with Chugs on this and the existence of the partner chat is going to be revealed with my PM, would acknowleding melon is the other partner in it help confirm her to town, or will they be sus enough to drag her down too?
Actually, think that's a good idea? I checked with Chugs on this and the existence of the partner chat is going to be revealed with my PM, would acknowleding melon is the other partner in it help confirm her to town, or will they be sus enough to drag her down too?
Also please do me a favor and off nin the second it's opportune to. I need that.
Going to consult Melon on that. I'll be all buddy buddy with her as well. Maybe that'll help buy some good graces from her to help defend me.
I don't think there's generally much point in me defending myself at this point, it rarely works out unless someone else does it for you here.
I don't think there's generally much point in me defending myself at this point, it rarely works out unless someone else does it for you here.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Yeah this is our best bet. I don't think it's gonna work because we just had a game were scum won with LP as a godfather in a neighbor chat, but we can always try lol
Vere's switch reveal was timely, at least we had that.
LMFAO this ride is fun. Fate please come through. I swear to god if you somehow save me with this I will make you a custom emoji.
Why hasn't Faddy just flipped me here? I'm not unconvinced Faddy is another scum team here. If nin is claiming cop on me, AND there's a switch claim on me the same night with Faddy, why not just target that spot?
I believe Fate is probably a switcher, given the other movement roles and breadcrumbs etc. So Faddy likely is scum here?
I believe Fate is probably a switcher, given the other movement roles and breadcrumbs etc. So Faddy likely is scum here?
Just FYI I suggested to Melon that Faddy's hesitancy could be a result of Faddy being scum, in the event I die.
Just throwing that out there as the only valid angle to go with. If I flip, I expect that won't buy too much water with town until they get paranoid, but it's also the only reason to not just shoot me right now.
Just throwing that out there as the only valid angle to go with. If I flip, I expect that won't buy too much water with town until they get paranoid, but it's also the only reason to not just shoot me right now.
Leo
Quack Pack King
My brain is still frying trying to make sense of this, but Faddy probably knows your alignment somehow. Maybe he's teamed with nin? Nin got a red check on you and Faddy knows you're gonna flip scum which incriminates him as well, since if Faddy were town nin's result should have been town. Or maybe nin isn't on his team and Faddy just know your alignment some other way.
But all this backfired so spectacularly it almost seems scripted lol let's give it up for Fate aka the Dutch's gang MVP
That could make sense yeah. Claiming cop on a scum role is bold though. VERY bold.
Leo
Quack Pack King
There it is, Fate is town. Is there any way Faddy can be town in this situation? I don't think so, right?
The other team is looking to me like Faddy, Wiz, and maol. Faddy is completely cornered after Fate's flip so bar yet another red check on our team (seriously whats up with those) we should be good for another day.
I'm gonna go to bed now and tomorrow morning I'll think a bit and give my suggestions for the NK and other actions.
@Kopite how are you feeling btw? Hope you're feeling better!
The other team is looking to me like Faddy, Wiz, and maol. Faddy is completely cornered after Fate's flip so bar yet another red check on our team (seriously whats up with those) we should be good for another day.
I'm gonna go to bed now and tomorrow morning I'll think a bit and give my suggestions for the NK and other actions.
@Kopite how are you feeling btw? Hope you're feeling better!
Faddy could be town if fate was blocked.
I'm not against that possibility but holy shit how did I survive that
I'm not against that possibility but holy shit how did I survive that
Agreed on not pulling risky gambits yet. Let's just hold the course and see how town and scum play.
What do you all think about our evil twin team? Should we be trying to target them, or leave them be to thin out the herd for now?
What do you all think about our evil twin team? Should we be trying to target them, or leave them be to thin out the herd for now?
BTW let's use me as the killer again in case there's a tracker. I don't think the nexus activation is worth it given this heat, grabbing a role block while we can is more useful, and it'll hopefully help in case I get tracked.
People I'd like to kill:
Nin - ok half of this is just that I think it'd be funny, but also if nin is revealed as town, we can argue the faddy is scum who got swapped angle. It'll work for at least the next vote, but I don't think nin is going to let me get by this phase.
LP - good reads on things
Wizard - is posting and getting a lot of things wrong, but also some right that are dangerous for us. Nobody seems seriously interested in the vote here, despite claiming a miller.
Melon - neighbor chat hasn't been super useful, and she's not using it much. If she's the opposite team? Might be able to argue a partner chat wouldn't have 2 scum, but they also don't buy me being in that chat...
Faddy seems risky in the event it's a town flip. That seems unlikely, but if it is, I'm immediately dead.
Will think a bit more.
People I'd like to kill:
Nin - ok half of this is just that I think it'd be funny, but also if nin is revealed as town, we can argue the faddy is scum who got swapped angle. It'll work for at least the next vote, but I don't think nin is going to let me get by this phase.
LP - good reads on things
Wizard - is posting and getting a lot of things wrong, but also some right that are dangerous for us. Nobody seems seriously interested in the vote here, despite claiming a miller.
Melon - neighbor chat hasn't been super useful, and she's not using it much. If she's the opposite team? Might be able to argue a partner chat wouldn't have 2 scum, but they also don't buy me being in that chat...
Faddy seems risky in the event it's a town flip. That seems unlikely, but if it is, I'm immediately dead.
Will think a bit more.
I'm probably missing like 50% of the game cause a lot are just being quiet here, but I feel like maybe we want to take advantage of that and just silence town into submission here?
If you want a slightly more detailed look, lmk. We have a day and a half to decide and talk now, so you have plenty of time. Hope you get better soon too!
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Thanks! Still need to shake off this cough but otherwise doing better
Kopite
Quickdraw King
So I've caught up on the thread. That's a pretty ridiculous save at the end there lol, Cap. Faddy seemed so genuine to me too, but I guess this only makes sense if he is indeed scum/neutral? Good town play would be to vote Faddy out tomorrow. Occam's Razor - Faddy's scum, Fate swapped him with Cap, Nin checked Faddy. A bit disappointing that a lot of them seem to still want to kill you too Cap.
On NKs, ATP, Neki and nin are the most town-read/soft confirmed and will have to go at some point, but killing either Neki/nin might interfere in some town eating itself in the next 1-2 phases to resolve Faddy/Fate/Cap/nin. I think we can Arthur check ATP, that's probably what Launch would have done but he's an obvious target. Neki/nin are also obvious targets, and the other team/SK don't seem to fear going after obvious targets so maybe we shouldn't aim here.
The next town read tier IMO are Donnie, Bojack, Hawthorn and LP. Hawthorn and LP want Faddy out, but killing them probably wouldn't be enough to save Faddy or might even have the opposite effect. LP seems to have pretty good reads (possibly scum?) so I wouldn't mind shooting there. Donnie and Bojack are a little softer on us but if we want town read targets that are less likely to be protected we could aim there.
I wouldn't kill melon, if they flip town someone will defo argue that you must be scum then Cap/
None of us are in a great position but with a bit of luck we might be able to take this home.
On NKs, ATP, Neki and nin are the most town-read/soft confirmed and will have to go at some point, but killing either Neki/nin might interfere in some town eating itself in the next 1-2 phases to resolve Faddy/Fate/Cap/nin. I think we can Arthur check ATP, that's probably what Launch would have done but he's an obvious target. Neki/nin are also obvious targets, and the other team/SK don't seem to fear going after obvious targets so maybe we shouldn't aim here.
The next town read tier IMO are Donnie, Bojack, Hawthorn and LP. Hawthorn and LP want Faddy out, but killing them probably wouldn't be enough to save Faddy or might even have the opposite effect. LP seems to have pretty good reads (possibly scum?) so I wouldn't mind shooting there. Donnie and Bojack are a little softer on us but if we want town read targets that are less likely to be protected we could aim there.
I wouldn't kill melon, if they flip town someone will defo argue that you must be scum then Cap/
None of us are in a great position but with a bit of luck we might be able to take this home.
Leo
Quack Pack King
I wish we could kill Wiz too, but he had an awful day end yesterday and I think he's still better left alive for now for diversion. Plus if he's scum, town will start D4 knowing about the existence of two scum teams, which could be bad for us.
LP seems to be the NK we all agree on. He is getting his gears on and will be a lot of trouble for us if town starts listening to what he's saying.
Agree on investigating ATP for Arthur, he's most likely not being watched/tracked tonight.
I think I should roleblock Vere. He threatened a good PR and I'm afraid he might use it to investigate Cap tonight.
That would leave the kill to Kopite, but we can rearrange it if you think someone could track him.
LP seems to be the NK we all agree on. He is getting his gears on and will be a lot of trouble for us if town starts listening to what he's saying.
Agree on investigating ATP for Arthur, he's most likely not being watched/tracked tonight.
I think I should roleblock Vere. He threatened a good PR and I'm afraid he might use it to investigate Cap tonight.
That would leave the kill to Kopite, but we can rearrange it if you think someone could track him.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Just be careful because we already flipped one vanilla, and we know Zeke is vanilla too, so claiming another one might be pushing it a bit and Zeke might out himself to push you.
Do any of the fake claims sound like they could be a cop to you?
Leo
Quack Pack King
Btw @CaptainNuevo we should have claims ready for why we visited our targets tonight because we might get tracked/watched. I think I can fly the parity cop if I have to, but you already claimed neighbor so that's another factor to weight if it's worth it checking ATP tonight
Kopite
Quickdraw King
They don't unfortunately, maybe you could stretch it with Sean but definitely not Tilly. The other flips so far are somewhat true to flavor with the exception of Sneeks/Fate's, their flavor is definitely unrelated to their roles. Not sure if cop is a good idea though with nin out there. Let me try and think of something, at least for my own role.
I think Vere is a good RB target, he's some sort of a rolecop and we all have compromising abilities, and we're in his crosshairs. Maybe he'll go for Maol instead-but better to be safe.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
*Before Day start I mean
Yeah that's true, I guess if we have spare slots, maybe I should lay low tonight in case there are eyes on me.
I'm ok with killing L_P, and blocking vere. I'm somewhat convinced Vere is a multi-power (or still has some shots) role.
I'm ok with killing L_P, and blocking vere. I'm somewhat convinced Vere is a multi-power (or still has some shots) role.
Hey, do you all think Nin might be scum2 cop of some sort, like we had? Assuming Nin is a role-cop and not alignment, I believe my role name would show up as "Arthur Hunter and Neighbor", which doesn't really seem like it would be a stretch to assume is a non-town role. @Chuggernaut could you confirm that's what a Role Cop would return if used on me?
It'd be a gambit, but the plus there is major town cred.
It'd be a gambit, but the plus there is major town cred.
Note to self: I didn't hesitate to ask Nin to post, even when he was being ominous. Maybe I can use my response there and the timing to help convince a few folks I had no way to expect anything bad could come up, making it easier to push towards Faddy.
Leo
Quack Pack King
It's a possibility. "Arthur Hunter" sounds like it's neutral, and since real cops don't get the exact alignment (just town/not town), nin would get the town credit even if you flipped neutral.
What doesn't fit here is that there was no claimed cop yet, and there was a godfather in the game so there would surely be a cop, scum nin wouldn't risk claiming cop like that. If nin is scum, i think he's just a regular cop.
Leo
Quack Pack King
It did feel like the had a red check on you by the way he was talking, but also that impression is because we are scum lol from a townie point of view, nin's words wouldn't have that connotation so obvious. Just a thing to to keep in mind when you bring it up in the thread
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I cannot say
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Shots that are roleblocked will be refunded
Kopite
Quickdraw King
I think nin’s a regular alignment cop. Vere sounds a lot closer to a rolecop since he specifically knew Fate was a switcher. Either that or he got the info fed to him by the actual rolecop, but if it’s a scummate I don’t see why he’d even bring it up. It’s possible he has a rolecop-lover too, the flavor lends itself well to lovers.
Anyway I’m going to bed now so I’ll target LP again, feel free to override or have me target someone else since I’ll be asleep. If I’m alive tomorrow I’ll be voting Faddy and exploring the idea of him working together with Vere (Vere knew Fate was a switcher cos his scummate Faddy was swapped D1).
kill: Lone_Prodigy
If LP ends up being scum that’s 3 scummies we’ve NKed lol, we must be the most town friendly scum team ever.
Anyway I’m going to bed now so I’ll target LP again, feel free to override or have me target someone else since I’ll be asleep. If I’m alive tomorrow I’ll be voting Faddy and exploring the idea of him working together with Vere (Vere knew Fate was a switcher cos his scummate Faddy was swapped D1).
kill: Lone_Prodigy
If LP ends up being scum that’s 3 scummies we’ve NKed lol, we must be the most town friendly scum team ever.
That's a very good point, hadn't considered it! Thanks, I'm going to come out of the gate swinging at Faddy like my life depends on it, I think enough people were in favor of flipping me that Faddy overriding to Fate should draw some eyes.
Going to lay low tonight though instead of trying to find Arthur just in case.
Going to lay low tonight though instead of trying to find Arthur just in case.
Also Melon has not responded in the partner chat since the red check. I even posted my reads list.
Head of House was a hunter/huntee thing.
Also fucking nin with a double-check play. Goddammit.
Also fucking nin with a double-check play. Goddammit.
Yeahhhhh... so uhh if I end up going down, should I talk to town about the dual scum theory, and us blocking Vere? Might as well out a rival scum?
Also wizard getting my character name right, coincidence or is he more than a miller?
Also wizard getting my character name right, coincidence or is he more than a miller?
Leo
Quack Pack King
I think so, yeah.
Leo
Quack Pack King
I doubt Wiz is a miller, I think he's scum. He's trying to save Faddy today. That was probably a slip, but we can only explore that after you flip, unfortunately. But I'll remember it.
Aight, I'm gonna plant a bit of a seed then. Looks like Faddy's first to go, but at least I can spread some info out since I think I'm doomed tomorrow anyhow. Might as well hint it now. Town will WIFOM to decide if it's true or not, but once they realize there might be 2 scum teams realize that trusting scum's throwing doubt on another could be legit.
It's been a lotta fun: Jman1954Goat
Fuck it. Let's see if I get lucky. (I'll probably move this, or swap to the faction kill tonight)
Fuck it. Let's see if I get lucky. (I'll probably move this, or swap to the faction kill tonight)
Faddy was town?
Who roleblocked/redirected Fate?
Who roleblocked/redirected Fate?
Leo
Quack Pack King
Shit, Faddy is town then? What gives?
If Faddy is town, nin is lying, right? Cause Fate was telling the truth. N1 Fate switched you and Faddy, so if nin checked you, he would get Faddy's alignment, which is town.
nin has to be lying, and they got your alignment some other way, probably a rolecop in another night, not N1.
If Faddy is town, nin is lying, right? Cause Fate was telling the truth. N1 Fate switched you and Faddy, so if nin checked you, he would get Faddy's alignment, which is town.
nin has to be lying, and they got your alignment some other way, probably a rolecop in another night, not N1.
Leo
Quack Pack King
I think Fate would have said if he were roleblocked. Between a redirector randomly targeting the switcher the precise night he was switching, I think it's more likely nin is lying