Spec thread

[Maolfunction]

The other thing with getting scum read as town, and I do it a lot myself, is using people's reads against you to read them. If you're town, you have an advantage there in knowing that whoever is scum reading you is wrong. You can then look at that person, their argument, and see if it'd be a town or scum perspective.

Getting scum read is sometimes great. You do have to be careful your read isn't OMGUS, but if you do the work and dig into someone rallying town against you, you could uncover the whole scum team from it.

 

[Maolfunction]

Yeah I agree. Always kind of felt like it comes off as dismissive of work you’ve done previously especially if you feel like you have been scum hunting. People sussing you is part of the game but I get being frustrated getting hit with the whole “go scum hunt” thing.

Getting told to scum hunt I feel is 100% reaction baiting.

 

[Chuggernaut]

The other thing with getting scum read as town, and I do it a lot myself, is using people's reads against you to read them. If you're town, you have an advantage there in knowing that whoever is scum reading you is wrong. You can then look at that person, their argument, and see if it'd be a town or scum perspective.

Getting scum read is sometimes great. You do have to be careful your read isn't OMGUS, but if you do the work and dig into someone rallying town against you, you could uncover the whole scum team from it.

Yeah I agree with this, but I do think you have to be really trying to look at it from an objective view point to see who’s scum read feels townie or not and I don’t think everyone is amazing at that. It’s tricky when you know you’re town.

Getting told to scum hunt I feel is 100% reaction baiting.

Yeah I think it is too ideally. I think my issue is I don’t think the reactions are super useful.

 

[Maolfunction]

Yeah I think it is too ideally. I think my issue is I don’t think the reactions are super useful

I don't think so either. I try not to bait reactions anymore, getting people upset for a game read that scum can fake pretty easily isn't fun.

 

[AllThingsPurple]

The more I think about it, the more I'm 100% sure this is correct, and I'm going to lock this in as my final answer for the game.

If this is correct that's a helluva team.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I don't think so either. I try not to bait reactions anymore, getting people upset for a game read that scum can fake pretty easily isn't fun.

Yeah I think your two reactions are basically either ignore it and take it on the chin or get upset, and I think both of those are pretty easy for scum to also have so eh

 

[Maolfunction]

He's using Maol and Fanto as a crutch rather than advancing his own game.

This is a very wolfish perspective and if I were still alive, it would cement Hedin as scum for me. Town should use dead, confirmed townies who were night killed to create reads. They're dead for a reason. Anyone who says using confirmed town biases to form reads is a crutch is scum.

 

[weemadarthur]

Monkey is doing it too, so. Just saiyan.

 

[Chuggernaut]

It’s like the backwards version of getting to spec and being upset that town isn’t listening to what you said when you were alive

 

[Maolfunction]

Monkey is doing it too, so. Just saiyan.

I've noticed lol. Berating Ty is just, really odd if she's town. There are definitely weaker areas she could be focusing on, but is choosing to ignore instead. She's even throwing shade on Wiz in a slot she has a firm town read on. Doesn't line up with my perception of town!Monkey.

 

[FateShirou]

IF they get ty to claim, hedin's going to get a rude awakening

 

[Maolfunction]

IF they get ty to claim, hedin's going to get a rude awakening

Yeah, I was thinking Ty is in a good spot if him and Hedin become wagons and he sits on his claim til near EoD and everyone flips to Hedin.

 

[weemadarthur]

Ty is quite a decent player, i daresay he has plans laid

 

[Sawneeks]

Wait a sec...

Fanto's Offical Hot Take Scum Team​

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Hedin

Vere

Fran

Reki

---

+1 on this hot take as all of these make sense. Maybe Vere for someone else? But he's probably just scum lol

Monkey is doing it too, so. Just saiyan.

was there a reason monkey didnt go for hedin the last phase? she could've been protecting her teammate...

 

[Sawneeks]

This is a very wolfish perspective and if I were still alive, it would cement Hedin as scum for me. Town should use dead, confirmed townies who were night killed to create reads. They're dead for a reason. Anyone who says using confirmed town biases to form reads is a crutch is scum.

there anything else that's pinging you about hedin so far? im reading him and not seeing scum and since we're 99.9% sure he's scum that kinda scares me.

 

[Maolfunction]

there anything else that's pinging you about hedin so far? im reading him and not seeing scum and since we're 99.9% sure he's scum that kinda scares me.

Him going after Ty, but that's mostly because I hard read Ty as town D1. (which, if town, they should be taking into consideration in my unbiased opinion lol. what was the point of Vere's top two town reads idea if they've already thrown it away) No one has a good faith read of Ty as scum in my opinion. If the scum team has like Hedin, Monkey, and Vere they may be pushing together because they know they can get easy control of the game from that point on. There's no one on the roster I could see seriously pushing back against all three of them and succeeding.

The three of them all have enough experience to be suspicious of the fact that the other two have the same scum lean read and to be wary of being pocketed. They're not really showing any signs of uncertainty or doubt about their position on Ty, which is all sorts of red flags.

Going back to Hedin, he's also one of the three votes that were left on Rando at the end of D1, and after Zipped's flip and Leo's soft clear, the possibility of him being scum was super high because there's no way scum completely jumped ship there.

 

[weemadarthur]

C’mon ty, break it open.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

@Fanto I think you’ve got at least three right (Hedin, Fran, and vere). If not all four.
But town is really going to vote out Ty here though…

which is insane

 

[Maolfunction]

I also want to know why Ty didn't claim earlier. If he's not lying, we wasted a whole goddamn phase and now will have an EoD shuffle and who knows what happens. Y'all, don't do that, damn.

To cause scum to scramble. Like you're currently doing, Monkey. Flinging FUD all over the thread. I will be shocked if Monkey is town at this point.

 

[Maolfunction]

HP is scum too isn't he. I thought that D1 attitude was weird.

 

[weemadarthur]

Good work, ty, you’ve turned monkey into her spout-bull self that shows her scumminess.

Of COURSE the cop waits to claim until the last minute, to let the other scums defend their partner to good effect.

 

[Maolfunction]

Dejected scum totally soured the mood of the thread there. Thread should not be so angry when you've got a green check in Rando and Ty this phase, in addition to the soft clears on Leo and jman, and the mechanical clear of LP. Town is in a great spot, but the end of that day felt like someone's mother had been insulted.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Not going to comment on alignments, but yeah thread needs to chill. That was some textbook mafia. Walk away if you're getting heated

 

[FateShirou]

Not going to comment on alignments, but yeah thread needs to chill. That was some textbook mafia. Walk away if you're getting heated

i didnt know what to do
:Blobtearful

Dejected scum totally soured the mood of the thread there. Thread should not be so angry when you've got a green check in Rando and Ty this phase, in addition to the soft clears on Leo and jman, and the mechanical clear of LP. Town is in a great spot, but the end of that day felt like someone's mother had been insulted.

i didnt know what to do
:blobsob

 

[Maolfunction]

i didnt know what to do
:Blobtearful


i didnt know what to do
:blobsob

Not much you could do, because I think the bad vibes were sown on purpose. No one is going to be happy tomorrow, which is to scum's benefit after a pretty bad D3 for them.

I'd encourage people to use vent threads tonight, because D4 might be miserable if people keep it bottled to unleash in the thread tomorrow.

 

[Sawneeks]

i didnt know what to do
:Blobtearful


i didnt know what to do
:blobsob

Sadly not much you can do. You're running the game as perfectly as you can but what the players do is up to them.

Keep your chin up, fate. game isn't over yet. <3

 

[Sawneeks]

Monkey's reaction + tunnel on Ty here almost feels TOO scummy to be scum and I'm actually unsure there. The easiest answer was that Ty is the Cop and there was no need for all the doubt/second guessing....which would point to monkey as scum, especially parking her vote elsewhere. But knowing monkey personally? I don't think she would do that? She could push HP or hard bus Hedin instead of this so it makes me think she's a red herring here. She may just be Town in a deep tunnel and, as she said, not in a good mood. Just odd all around but i'd probably push there tomorrow sadly.

Fran saying he wanted hedin but didnt vote there or push is so sus i hope someone picks up on it lol.

feels like this vote clears Jman, Ty, LP, and Rando if there were any doubts there. Leo could be deep wolfing but i doubt it, same with anex for the very late vote.

think Fanto nailed it and the scum is Fran/Vere/Reki. +/- Monkey as a possible one too.

HP is likely a good blob with Vere/Fran sitting on him lol.

 

[Sawneeks]

and welcome, hedin! you are very scary and that's a compliment lol

 

[Maolfunction]

if Reki is scum, they can deep wolf pretty easily into F3 at this point I think.

 

[Maolfunction]

lol, two votes left on Ty at EoD there. Reki and HP.

Same situation as D1, there's a high likelihood one of them is scum.

 

[Sawneeks]

town just needs to pull a wrestling mafia and look deep into the votes and they'll PoE scum easy.

 

[Maolfunction]

town just needs to pull a wrestling mafia and look deep into the votes and they'll PoE scum easy.

Yeah, break it down like:

town core:
Ty (cleared)
Rando (green checked)
LP (mechanical clear)
Leo (soft clear)
Jman (soft clear)

most likely town:
The Wizard (rac's slot, very town read)
Anex (Hedin pushed for his flip pretty hard all game)

PoE:
Donnie
Vere
Fran
Reki
HP
Jom
darkside
Pandy

A mass claim tomorrow would probably get that PoE down even further to the point where there's little scum can do unless they've already positioned themselves within the town core.

 

[Hedin]

Lol, we blocked my green check. I was demoing Frosthaven that last hour (which I do not regret because it is awesome), no idea if I could have saved otherwise.

 

[FateShirou]

 

[Maolfunction]

Lol, we blocked my green check. I was demoing Frosthaven that last hour (which I do not regret because it is awesome), no idea if I could have saved otherwise.

You played well. Nice twist of my read of you being dependent on Lux's flip lol.

 

[Maolfunction]

for what it's worth, I had fun.

 

[Hedin]

I'm actually surprised I was the kill. If the scum team has Monkey or Fanto on it I would have figured they'd spend D2 playing the, "Mao got our vig killed," game. I pushed the Lux flip over Rando (who is probably town) so there was stuff to waste town's time on me.

I didn't have any strong scum reads other than Hedin pinging me late in the phase, who I didn't push, so I can't imagine why I got killed other than maybe someone thought I was a PR.

Maybe my townreads were all right and they thought my PoE would catch them quickly.

I wanted you dead because we both can be stubborn and I didn't want you to really start tunneling me. Of course Fanto took up that mantle (she wasn't my choice but I was OK with it).

100%. hedin learned a lot from them but more importantly he's gotten reallllyyy confident from those games. im not sure if he's scum here yet but...he could be one hell of a scary power wolf.

Confident? This game? Hahahahahahahaha. It was a lot of "shit I don't have time for this, I should replace but it's shitty asking someone to replace in this spot" and "holy shit I suck" and "hoooold on for just one more day".

 

[Maolfunction]

I wanted you dead because we both can be stubborn and I didn't want you to really start tunneling me. Of course Fanto took up that mantle (she wasn't my choice but I was OK with it).

You'd be 100% dead D2 if you had left me alive, my plan was to have you and one of the newbies as the wagons at EoD so it was a good move.

 

[weemadarthur]

Fate, you’re not the reason it’s been a stressful game for players. You’re doing good.

 

[Hedin]

I don't get why town feels stressful, I feel like between the clears & core that should be feeling OK.

 

[EvilChameleon]

I kinda feel like an indefinite hiatus from games being played after this for, like, a month or two, would help cool the community down. I dunno. Maybe that's just how I approach things, the simplest approach is best, instead of writing paragraphs after the game ends about how there are vent threads and people have feelings and then another game gets underway two weeks later and you end up in this same spot of people being miserable while playing.

 

[Fanto]

Fanto's Offical Hot Take Scum Team​

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Hedin

Vere

Fran

Reki

---

1 down, 3 to go.

 

[FateShirou]

yea i do agree its not my fault
but feels bad theres a bad atmosphere and i cant do anything
:sadge

 

[Fanto]

yea i do agree its not my fault
but feels bad theres a bad atmosphere and i cant do anything
:sadge

It's definitely one of the more stressful aspects of gamerunning in my opinion. Hindsight being 20/20 always seems to make you feel like there's more you should have done to prevent the bad vibes and keep things on track, but sadly there's usually not much a gamerunner alone can do there. At the very least, know that I am commiserating with you as I have been there and done that plenty of times in the past and it always bums me out. :hug:

 

[Stantastic]

Cant decide if this game is making me regret or feel validated about my choice to stop playing

 

[Stantastic]

Wait when did my tag here change to be about badminton

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Lol, we blocked my green check. I was demoing Frosthaven that last hour (which I do not regret because it is awesome), no idea if I could have saved otherwise.

At gencon? Hopefully they will ship copies from the KS this year!

congrats on rolling mafia too! Your day 1 & 2 voternomics were great, but as you mention sometimes iRL just takes you away from being able to close a day. Happens to me all the time

 

[Alexem]

If anything's surprised me, it's the speed at which this game's been going - I've hardly been able to stay caught up!

 

[Hedin]

At gencon? Hopefully they will ship copies from the KS this year!

They are aiming to start in October with a goal to have them all out by the end of the year.

 

[EvilChameleon]

An hour until we find out who got the ol' boot.

 

[Sawneeks]

Yeah, break it down like:

town core:
Ty (cleared)
Rando (green checked)
LP (mechanical clear)
Leo (soft clear)
Jman (soft clear)

most likely town:
The Wizard (rac's slot, very town read)
Anex (Hedin pushed for his flip pretty hard all game)

PoE:
Donnie
Vere
Fran
Reki
HP
Jom
darkside
Pandy

A mass claim tomorrow would probably get that PoE down even further to the point where there's little scum can do unless they've already positioned themselves within the town core.

Hmmm, seeing it like this i think you're right about Reki making it to F3. Vere might as well depending on where people focus tomorrow but scum is still in a good spot.

if our guesses are right on the team lol. watch it not be them and be like, HP, Leo, and pandy.

I wanted you dead because we both can be stubborn and I didn't want you to really start tunneling me. Of course Fanto took up that mantle (she wasn't my choice but I was OK with it).



Confident? This game? Hahahahahahahaha. It was a lot of "shit I don't have time for this, I should replace but it's shitty asking someone to replace in this spot" and "holy shit I suck" and "hoooold on for just one more day".

well you absolutetly couldn't tell lol. hope you had a good time at gencon!

 

[Leo]

Well, hi!

 

[Leo]

I knew I was gonna die tonight but I'm still frustrated :(( the game is very solvable now, half the roster is cleared, they just have to play right.

Today they should focus only on the HP voters because scum is 100% there. Between Fran, Wiz and Vere, I think it's Vere.

 

[Leo]

Scum really called the night actions correctly and blocked the cop tonight.

The cop that was checking the scum godfather

How did scum know Ty was the cop? This has been bugging me since yesterday, was it just luck? (Or bad luck lol)

 

[Hedin]

How did scum know Ty was the cop? This has been bugging me since yesterday, was it just luck? (Or bad luck lol)

We didn't. We thought we picked up something that might indicate a PR but didn't know cop. In hindsight probably should have left him alone since with the claims it likely meant that any PRs left had a high chance of being an investigation.

I was 50/50 on you and jman doing a gambit so that we needed to kill you instead.

 

[Leo]

Maybe Leo has a random player he has to protect till endgame? Some sort of Neutral?

I actually had TWO random players I had to protect, and I wasn't even neutral lol this game feels more like role madness

I at least hope both the protegees were actually town. Jman is surely town, I think HP is too.

 

[Leo]

I hope LP rises to town leader today. If he does, they can win the game.

 

[FateShirou]

I actually had TWO random players I had to protect, and I wasn't even neutral lol this game feels more like role madness

but this is a normal game
:Tamawut
they are both town
:tamaworry

 

[Leo]

but this is a normal game
:Tamawut
they are both town
:tamaworry

Well this feels better lol

That was an interesting role, it gives scum good chances of hitting a 2 for 1 but also soft confirms two players too.

 

[FateShirou]

hopefully town dosnt think like u leo and this hardclears HP
:Tamaworry
and HP dosnt become uninterested green check townie

 

[Leo]

hopefully town dosnt think like u leo and this hardclears HP
:Tamaworry
and HP dosnt become uninterested green check townie

After the failed vote swerve to HP last day, town would be crazy not to clear HP and look there. It was blatant scum activity.

 

[jman1954goat]

I was going to come in with an Opening Post Shading Vere and Fran then Make fun of scum for Role blocking a Greencheck on there godfather.

Oh well.

I played a pretty Bad game besides My Hedin scumread (which was super obvious so not much of an achievement)

 

[jman1954goat]

Just Like Last time I am asking for feedback on How I played.

What did you Hate? What did you Like?

Any advice welcome

 

[FateShirou]

you

it was a normal game, so a little bit trust of leo would have helped
i thought you controlled your emotions well and you were great at cooling things down
thanks alotjman
:hug

 

[jman1954goat]

it was a normal game, so a little bit trust of leo would have helped

I town read Leo since Day 1.

The initial Trust was justifiably Suspect imo (since he really did have TMI)

Interacting and considering all actions made assume Leo is most likely town just a short while after voting Him.

 

[jman1954goat]

little bit trust of leo would have helped

Voting people is helpful for me getting reads on People. I trusted Leo faster because I voted for him and saw his reactions.

 

[jman1954goat]

:hug

*Hugs back*

 

[Hedin]

Smh, Random committing copyright infringement there.

 

[Leo]

Just Like Last time I am asking for feedback on How I played.

What did you Hate? What did you Like?

Any advice welcome

I think you played really well after you got soft confirmed. So my impression is that your fear of getting scum read gets in your way. When we're town our death isn't a big deal to anyone, so I suggest you just vibe along and have fun until someone kills you lol

 

[Sawneeks]

 

[Leo]

Wait, my flip doesn't say who the protegees were? :( So it really is just negative utility, because town doesn't get the info. Now I'm down on my role lol

 

[Sawneeks]

welcome leo and jman! RIP but you both did well. :>

I hope LP rises to town leader today. If he does, they can win the game.

i want this so bad. LP as town is a powerhouse and he'd be a great town leader

 

[Sawneeks]

Rando just sprinting out the gate here. let's heckin go

 

[jman1954goat]

Just Like Last time I am asking for feedback on How I played.

What did you Hate? What did you Like?

welcome leo and jman! RIP but you both did well. :>

Can you offer some specific advice if you have the time.

I am trying to improve and getting lots of specific advice in 80's spec thread was valuable

Even the points I initially disagree with or push back on is Valuable as I Think over things between games.

 

[Sawneeks]

Can you offer some specific advice if you have the time.

I am trying to improve and getting lots of specific advice in 80's spec thread was valuable

Even the points I initially disagree with or push back on is Valuable as I Think over things between games.

I dont have anything specific to really give as i've been keeping up on the game but not deeply enough to give good advice. sorry, jman. :<

 

[FateShirou]

Wait, my flip doesn't say who the protegees were? :( So it really is just negative utility, because town doesn't get the info. Now I'm down on my role lol

i mean it green checks HP :shrug
i thought it was a bit OP

 

[jman1954goat]

i mean it green checks HP :shrug
i thought it was a bit OP

Yeah @Leo your role is one of the strongest town roles I have seen in a Normal Game

 

[jman1954goat]

@Leo

Your literally a Cop that starts with 2 free unblockable Checks.

 

[Maolfunction]

great entrance by Donnie, whew

 

[Leo]

Yeah, I suppose the players can just claim the flavor. It's an interesting role, I was playing very carelessly on D1 because the best possible outcome after hitting scum would be town voting me out.

 

[EvilChameleon]

I also thought that was a photo of James from Team Rocket. Even going back now and looking at it, I refuse to believe it isn't.

 

[jman1954goat]

Yeah, I suppose the players can just claim the flavor. It's an interesting role, I was playing very carelessly on D1 because the best possible outcome after hitting scum would be town voting me out.

I think you played Great all 3 Days.

The only critique I have (this is a minor nitpick) I think you should have claimed the second it became clear LP was Overider.

That Override Could have gone anywhere and the second it became clear it was going to be used You give the Claim right away without preamble

Once again Very Minor Nitpick

 

[Fanto]

great entrance by Donnie, whew

Loving his read list.

 

[jman1954goat]

By the way @Fanto was a pleasure playing with you.

@Hedin Always fun playing with you as well even though we different alignment this time.

 

[jman1954goat]

Neat idea for a game. Last 2 games replacements have come in strong with fresh minds and not as worn down.

What if there was game were past a certain day. (Like day 5 just as example) every single player was forced to replace out and swap with other player.

Second idea. What if game with every slot was two players. Day 1 player A plays and B cant post Day 2 player B plays the slot and A can't post then repeat.

 

[FateShirou]

Second idea. What if game with every slot was two players. Day 1 player A plays and B cant post Day 2 player B plays the slot and A can't post then repeat.

hybrid games exist, we can run one on OM
prob need alot of people for that, could get it to work with a small game, not sure how much interest there is tho

 

[Leo]

I think you played Great all 3 Days.

The only critique I have (this is a minor nitpick) I think you should have claimed the second it became clear LP was Overider.

That Override Could have gone anywhere and the second it became clear it was going to be used You give the Claim right away without preamble

Once again Very Minor Nitpick

I could only claim if/when you or HP were in real risk of dying. If I did it before, scum would know about you and just kill us. My idea was always to claim offering myself as a trade off, town should kill me instead of killing you so you would be cleared and scum wouldn't be able to get the double kill.

Ideally LP would have told me who he was overriding. If he told me some other name, I'd just stayed quiet. But he didn't tell me, and it looked like he was going to override you, so I had to claim.

 

[weemadarthur]

D’awww confirmed towns are just so *cute*

 

[Sawneeks]

this is some good ol fashioned mafia play going on right now. love it

 

[Hedin]

I don't need the details but is there is a neutral?

 

[FateShirou]

I don't need the details but is there is a neutral?

yes

 

[Alexem]

This is MafiEra. Of course there's a neutral.

 

[Fanto]

There being no Neutral in my last game nearly drove LP insane, so I'm happy for him here.

 

[weemadarthur]

That’s how we all feel, darkside. It’s not really good for our health but who can play just one?

 

[Chuggernaut]

I think there's a more than likely chance they don't hit scum today but there's some real good mafia play going down in the thread right now. I'm kind of impressed.

 

[Hedin]

Yep I think all parties are doing fairly well right now. Sure would be nice to be sitting there with a nice green check right about now....

 

[Hedin]

Miracle 1

 

[Verelios]

Sup

 

[FateShirou]

Hey vere
sorry about how things went down, i thought you played well
and im glad you were part of this game

 

[FateShirou]

let me know if u guys want open spoilers now