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[Jeff Tracy]

Pinocchio is likely a vanilla too

@Triumph the Comic Dog what made you say this in your opening posts yesterday, not sure if I missed something?

 

[Pinocchio]

Here is my case on why Mr. Mew might be Miss Piggy (or at least connected to her):
1. They post roughly around the same time of day (not very conclusive, but it's still evidence)

2. How they interact with each other (or don't)

After Miss Piggy claimed Poison Mirror, Mr. Mew pretty much ignores it and instead discusses the wagon on himself.

Here is my problem with this vote and any others like it. What we have here is an echo chamber of players saying nothing of substance about me while talking as if I got caught because what, I voted for Headdy and said it was the easy vote? In a game where players didn't hit post counts. Where players have said they're struggling. Where others made the same vote but didn't use the word "easy"? Is that how I got caught? Saying the same thing as others, doing the same thing as others, just not the proper way as described in Town 101. Nah. This vote is weak as hell.

Miss Piggy in her claim calls attention to the fact that a Poisoner is often neutral and that Fozzie is Shangs (who is Neutral) other half.

I don't know how much this helps things but I figure I'll just come out with it. I'm a Poison Mirror, if someone tries to attack me with poison it bounces back to them. I tried looking on the wiki to see if poison is more likely a Scum or Neutral thing but I couldn't be sure.

Fozzie insisting that Shang's other half, which as others have said could very well be Fozzie is nothing to worry about is making me nervous here. The only thing I'm not sure about is if a neutral poisoner would be worth flipping today or if we can shelf it and hunt scum.

Later Mr. Mew brings again attention to the fact that Fozzie could be Neutral, still without mentioning Miss Piggys claim.

No changing my mind they aren't Shang. This game setup is abnormal, but I assumed they'd be neutral like their alternate. Am I gonna go after a neutral one who is defending me? Didn't plan on it. I'm left with Lamp Chop whose shown no sign of solving anything because that vote was, and you can quote me on this, easy.

Once Kermit claims Poisoner, he tries to nudge the attention on Kermit possibly being neutral and potentially a threat to Town.

Right. If Kermit is Town, Miss Piggy is Scum. If Kermit is Neutral, Miss Piggy is ????

So town is Bert/Fozzie/Oscar/Charlie. I'm posing this to everyone though I especially wanna hear from those four. Are we cool leaving a poisoner on the table? If tomorrow hits and we lose a town player, Kermit has to go imo.

3. Miscellaneous points

Unvote

I have a reason but don't want to call attention to it. Rather leave it at that for today. Working between Triumph or Lamb, but won't have enough time to do much until this afternoon.

After Oscar dropped her first investigation bread crumb, Mr. Mew claims he doesn't want to call attention to the reason for his unvote, thus calling attention to it. Also honestly a blind puppet would have seen that bread crumb for what it is, the question would more have been why it was so openly telegraphed.

He's been tunneling Lamb for pretty much the whole game, without giving much input on other puppets.

Mr. Mew likes to park his vote relatively early and watch the EoD unfold without much intervention. As we have seen on D1 and also D2, that seems to be the modus operandi for Scum this game even if one of their own is on the block.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Abby and Lamb voting me again. Complete surprise. I'm going to do it different this time though.

Vote: Abby Cadabby

My concern that I'm putting here for posterity and town's sake is that you sound dangerously close to suggesting without flatout saying that we need to chain flip Grogu voters.

If Jeff is town, that helps narrow the Grogu voters list down:

Lamb Chop
Oscar the Grouch
Triumph the Comic Dog
Kermit the Frog
Jeff Tracy - Oscar Confirmed?
Abby Cadabby - Abby Confirmed

We're wrong most of the time until we're right. It happens. I'm with Mew that we have scum on Grogu, and I think you're town, which leaves where we've been spinning our wheels for days: Lamb or Triumph. (can you confirm if you checked Jeff?) I can't even count the number of times we've thrown suspicion at Lamb and Triumph, but we find something else to latch onto and don't commit. If neither of them are scum, I will eat my shoes.

But we can't flip one, find town, then go, "welp, let's flip the other" because I think we only have two days left if we don't hit scum and that's going down the chain flipping path I'm afraid of losing it for us. But if I'm that confident one is scum......As I sit here, I'm constantly jumping between them though. We all need to come together, previous days missteps be damned. Town has gotten down to the last day and won it before, and I'm confident we can here too.

1. You agree about looking at the Grogu voters, but you're nervous about us looking at them too much
2. if Grorgu vote is the place to look why are you voting me

I still think you're town, but everyone talking about second guessing themselves and not feeling confident is worrying. "Oops, we just murdered blah blah blah who was town but hey---I told ya'll I wasn't feeling confident and second guessing myself," says scum the day after they vote out another town player.

3. Like you did with Grogu?

 

[Mr. Mew]

Let me yell this from the rooftop this time:

In a world where I'm scum that needs the heat taken off, Piggy isn't going after the one person yesterday who argued in my favor.

I'm town. It's that simple.

 

[Pinocchio]

Let me yell this from the rooftop this time:

I'm town. It's that simple.

Why not though? Miss Piggy pushing Fozzie wouldn't really impact Fozzies defense of you, would it? Especially if she thought Fozzie was Neutral.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Why not though? Miss Piggy pushing Fozzie wouldn't really impact Fozzies defense of you, would it? Especially if she thought Fozzie was Neutral.

Pretend I'm scum and my scummate tells me on their way down they want to go after the one person defending me. If scum didn't flub it and Fozzie got flipped, neutral or town, next day it'd be back to Mew with top votes and no one to vouch.

 

[Mr. Mew]

I verbal vomit in hopes I find something that lights a bulb for someone. So far, it seems to have done nothing so I'm probably going to quiet down and hang out. Goal is that if/when I die, someone can go back, look at my posts, and find something useful in there. There's always money in the banana stand.

And I still think there's something weird about you and Grogu but I don't know what.

I don't buy this verbal vomit isn't part of this player's style. It reads as indecisive town. Unsure Abby has come for me more than once and both times when I put them in my sight. When I started tunneling Lamb, Abby left me alone. He actually got agreeable and was willing to sheep my posts. Today I call out Grogu votes and the mass claim and Abby finds a way to come back at me all while sounding like they agree.

Vote. Scummy. Behavior.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I was debating a lot of things on my drive here and I’m just going to drop my thoughts.

I still think Kermit is town and Abby is town. Everything can be an act but Abby trying to pep talk people on a downer day doesn’t strike me as a scum move. I get that it’s easy to fake but so many people wouldn’t bother.

My thoughts after Piggy have been shit and that puts my world view on Mew into doubt because maybe my base assumptions have been wrong. I actually debated just voting him in this post but I caught up first and I still really like his posts.

Speaking of my base assumptions, I still think Piggy bussed herself and at this point, I think the only one that really points at is Pinnochio, mix that with the extremely weird claim though and I don’t know what I’m supposed to do with that. The claim is garbage but I thought the same on Grogu’s and that was exactly what he said it would be.

Jeff, Elmo, Triumph, and Lamb Chop are all still kind of question marks for me this late in the game. Jeff and Triumph are both good posters but they could easily be playing the deep wolf, neither has really done much other than honeyed words. Lamb feels like an either/or with Mew but that’s mostly because they’ve been attacking each other all game and Bert and I did the same and spoilers for the end but that doesn’t put us on separate teams. Idk about Elmo, honestly I should probably just go to basics and vote Elmo for coasting.

Oscar is there, idk, it that’s a lie it was laid out pretty intelligently.

 

[Lamb Chop]

The only thing I have against Oscar is the weirdly written post where it seems like they clear Jeff.

 

[Pinocchio]

Pretend I'm scum and my scummate tells me on their way down they want to go after the one person defending me. If scum didn't flub it and Fozzie got flipped, neutral or town, next day it'd be back to Mew with top votes and no one to vouch.

If you can point to eliminating a neutral poisoner that might still earn you some Town points and could shift the attention elsewhere.

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Lamb not having the claims squared up in their head feels town to me.

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Here is my case on why Mr. Mew might be Miss Piggy (or at least connected to her):

Their posts don't feel like they are written by the same person to me, tho that could be faked. Sidestepping Piggy's claim is interesting, going to take a look at that again.

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Yeah, Mr. Mew really does show no reaction to Piggy's claim. Pinocchio grabbed most of the relevant quotes, but even right before day end Mew is talking past the claim.

I'm here but you two are moving a mile a minute and I don't see a place to interject.

I'm here, but with what is happening there's no shot I'm convincing anyone to go for lamb or dog.

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

Here is my case on why Mr. Mew might be Miss Piggy (or at least connected to her):
1. They post roughly around the same time of day (not very conclusive, but it's still evidence)

2. How they interact with each other (or don't)

After Miss Piggy claimed Poison Mirror, Mr. Mew pretty much ignores it and instead discusses the wagon on himself.


Miss Piggy in her claim calls attention to the fact that a Poisoner is often neutral and that Fozzie is Shangs (who is Neutral) other half.


Later Mr. Mew brings again attention to the fact that Fozzie could be Neutral, still without mentioning Miss Piggys claim.


Once Kermit claims Poisoner, he tries to nudge the attention on Kermit possibly being neutral and potentially a threat to Town.



3. Miscellaneous points


After Oscar dropped her first investigation bread crumb, Mr. Mew claims he doesn't want to call attention to the reason for his unvote, thus calling attention to it. Also honestly a blind puppet would have seen that bread crumb for what it is, the question would more have been why it was so openly telegraphed.

He's been tunneling Lamb for pretty much the whole game, without giving much input on other puppets.

Mr. Mew likes to park his vote relatively early and watch the EoD unfold without much intervention. As we have seen on D1 and also D2, that seems to be the modus operandi for Scum this game even if one of their own is on the block.

Great post. Now is this a deep bus is the question haha.

Pinocchio is certainly a sweet character, what with their famous phrase "I'm a real boy". More like "I'm a real scum" though amirite? AHAHAHAHA

I keed, I keed (well not really this time)

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

Lamb not having the claims squared up in their head feels town to me.

Wow and this feels town to me, because at this point in the game scum would want to cast suspicion on every player they could, so it gives them excuses to vote elsewhere. I do feel a bit better about Jeff in general

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

@Triumph the Comic Dog what made you say this in your opening posts yesterday, not sure if I missed something?

This was before I made everyone mass claim right? I just thought they felt town. I actually don't why why I specifically said vanilla though, just because I had a hunch that most players were vanilla in this game.

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

I don't know why a scum oscar would clear charlie so early in the game though, without any prompting. That's why she's town to me and if she is scum kudos

 

[Pinocchio]

This was before I made everyone mass claim right? I just thought they felt town. I actually don't why why I specifically said vanilla though, just because I had a hunch that most players were vanilla in this game.

Are you trying to get me killed when you flip Scum, lol?
I keed, I keed! (or am I?)

 

[Elmo]

Here is my case on why Mr. Mew might be Miss Piggy (or at least connected to her):
1. They post roughly around the same time of day (not very conclusive, but it's still evidence)

2. How they interact with each other (or don't)

After Miss Piggy claimed Poison Mirror, Mr. Mew pretty much ignores it and instead discusses the wagon on himself.


Miss Piggy in her claim calls attention to the fact that a Poisoner is often neutral and that Fozzie is Shangs (who is Neutral) other half.


Later Mr. Mew brings again attention to the fact that Fozzie could be Neutral, still without mentioning Miss Piggys claim.


Once Kermit claims Poisoner, he tries to nudge the attention on Kermit possibly being neutral and potentially a threat to Town.



3. Miscellaneous points


After Oscar dropped her first investigation bread crumb, Mr. Mew claims he doesn't want to call attention to the reason for his unvote, thus calling attention to it. Also honestly a blind puppet would have seen that bread crumb for what it is, the question would more have been why it was so openly telegraphed.

He's been tunneling Lamb for pretty much the whole game, without giving much input on other puppets.

Mr. Mew likes to park his vote relatively early and watch the EoD unfold without much intervention. As we have seen on D1 and also D2, that seems to be the modus operandi for Scum this game even if one of their own is on the block.

Where do you think you will vote?

While the mew ignoring piggy's claim is certainly noteworthy, what if lamb is mew? I can kind of see a tactic where you tunnel yourself all game. That way if mew were to flip scum lamb looks good? And if lamb were to flip scum it kind of makes mew look better? Mew being teammates with piggy could also explain not acknowledging the claim.

Either way this definitely has made me look at mew differently

 

[Pinocchio]

Where do you think you will vote?

While the mew ignoring piggy's claim is certainly noteworthy, what if lamb is mew? I can kind of see a tactic where you tunnel yourself all game. That way if mew were to flip scum lamb looks good? And if lamb were to flip scum it kind of makes mew look better? Mew being teammates with piggy could also explain not acknowledging the claim.

Either way this definitely has made me look at mew differently

That scenario has also crossed my mind. Lamb hasn't been as deep in the Mew-tunnel as Mew has been in the Lamb-tunnel imo, so I'm not sure if thay are the same person, but I could see Scum bussing each other for Town cred.

I'll probably end up voting Mr. Mew but I'd like to hear some more opinions first.

 

[Mr. Mew]

If you can point to eliminating a neutral poisoner that might still earn you some Town points and could shift the attention elsewhere.

There's no world where flipping neutral earns town points.

I was debating a lot of things on my drive here and I’m just going to drop my thoughts.

I still think Kermit is town and Abby is town. Everything can be an act but Abby trying to pep talk people on a downer day doesn’t strike me as a scum move. I get that it’s easy to fake but so many people wouldn’t bother.

My thoughts after Piggy have been shit and that puts my world view on Mew into doubt because maybe my base assumptions have been wrong. I actually debated just voting him in this post but I caught up first and I still really like his posts.

Speaking of my base assumptions, I still think Piggy bussed herself and at this point, I think the only one that really points at is Pinnochio, mix that with the extremely weird claim though and I don’t know what I’m supposed to do with that. The claim is garbage but I thought the same on Grogu’s and that was exactly what he said it would be.

Jeff, Elmo, Triumph, and Lamb Chop are all still kind of question marks for me this late in the game. Jeff and Triumph are both good posters but they could easily be playing the deep wolf, neither has really done much other than honeyed words. Lamb feels like an either/or with Mew but that’s mostly because they’ve been attacking each other all game and Bert and I did the same and spoilers for the end but that doesn’t put us on separate teams. Idk about Elmo, honestly I should probably just go to basics and vote Elmo for coasting.

Oscar is there, idk, it that’s a lie it was laid out pretty intelligently.

If Abby is scum, Pinocchio is my next look. Abby has given us a read of everyone except Pinocchio.

I'm realizing how big of a blind spot Pinocchio is for me.

Two days later

This seems intriguing, but nothing that yanks me away from our other potential votes for the day. Again though, Pinocchio is a blind spot and at this point it's pure laziness on my part.

My Triumph case seems to be held up by a weak belief they are Piggy, which no one else seems to agree with so maybe I need to take the blinders off....But I still fail to see the Kutaro connection. I'm willing to eat my shoe if I'm wrong. Only one of them though.

 

[Mr. Mew]

After Miss Piggy claimed Poison Mirror, Mr. Mew pretty much ignores it and instead discusses the wagon on himself.

Go back and read that day. I sound like someone in a good mood and eager to solve mafia or like someone pissed they were getting tunneled without anyone providing receipts?

 

[Jeff Tracy]

This was before I made everyone mass claim right? I just thought they felt town. I actually don't why why I specifically said vanilla though, just because I had a hunch that most players were vanilla in this game.

Yeah it was before the claims. Ok thanks, I thought it might have been a crumb, but then I remembered you claimed vanilla and since you did that first I don't think you were setting up a fake claim there.

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

Are you trying to get me killed when you flip Scum, lol?
I keed, I keed! (or am I?)

XD

 

[Mr. Mew]

Where do you think you will vote?

While the mew ignoring piggy's claim is certainly noteworthy, what if lamb is mew? I can kind of see a tactic where you tunnel yourself all game. That way if mew were to flip scum lamb looks good? And if lamb were to flip scum it kind of makes mew look better? Mew being teammates with piggy could also explain not acknowledging the claim.

Either way this definitely has made me look at mew differently

Ppl gotta stop trying to figure these alts out this stage. We stumbled so far with the limited info Piggy gave us, and everyone keeps rehashing and missing. "These are alts because they didn't talk" "Alts because they did talk." "Alts because they only talked this much." Have we had a costume game with two accounts before? How is everyone going to assume how scum is using their accounts?

Scum is on Grogu.

 

[Mr. Mew]

I've been going back and forth about Abby again, particularly because of his vote on Oscar on D1, but today has felt really townie again.
If we're to believe Fozzie is town, and I'm willing to hand it to them if they're not, that only leaves Mr. Mew as potential Scum trying to save Piggy on D1.

Giving Abby the clear with enough room in case they flip scum

It looks like Scum was quite ok losing Piggy, since all puppets that switched near EoD turned out to be Town. It might make sense to look into the players who tend to park their votes early.

Then uses this to call me out for parking early. Guess who else parks their vote early?

 

[Jeff Tracy]

I think I'm between Mr. Mew and Pinocchio today. Tbh I think both could be scum, seems like they only really started going back and forth today.

 

[Mr. Mew]

I think I'm between Mr. Mew and Pinocchio today. Tbh I think both could be scum, seems like they only really started going back and forth today.

Pinocchio could be misguided town. I think Abby is the better play. If he flips scum and I die tonight then you go Pinocchio.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I’m not going Abby today, there is three scum out there. Should be easy to give me a back up option that isn’t contingent on you dying.

 

[Randomless]

==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start

Mr. Mew (3 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,326
Abby Cadabby - #1,380
Lamb Chop - #1,382

Abby Cadabby (1 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,403

Lamb Chop (0 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,340 #1,403

Triumph the Comic Dog (0 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,302 #1,340

Jeff Tracy (0 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,298 #1,326

Pinocchio (0 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,296 #1,298

Not voting: Jeff Tracy, Kermit the Frog, Fozzie Bear, Pinocchio, Elmo, Oscar the Grouch

Post Counts:
Triumph the Comic Dog: 30 Mr. Mew: 20 Fozzie Bear: 16 Pinocchio: 14 Jeff Tracy: 13 Abby Cadabby: 13 Kermit the Frog: 9 Lamb Chop: 8 Oscar the Grouch: 7 Elmo: 4

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[Mr. Mew]

I’m not going Abby today, there is three scum out there. Should be easy to give me a back up option that isn’t contingent on you dying.

Ignore the me dying piece then. If Abby flips scum, Pinocchio is scum. That's all. If it's not Abby, it's someone else on Grogu vote. I've been tunneled on Lamb Chop so you know where I'm gonna fall back if not Abby. I don't know what to make of Pinocchio without Abby flipped, and if Pinocchio flips town where does that lead us.

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Mew and Pinocchio

The vote on Headdy is easy but its D1 and he isn't fighting so I'll take easy.

Vote: Dynamite Headdy

That sounds like a really flimsy reason to vote someone

Pinochio is the first to call out Mr. Mews vote on Dynamite. Mew waits until day 2 to respond and defends against it lightly.

Show me a vote that wasn't flimsy on the first day of a costume game.

Mr. Mew is still my top pick among those names. He defended the Dynamite votes D1 when we now know there was Scum:Miss Piggy on it and also stayed quite while the whole claim debacle happened. Looks to me he was observing which way the wind would go before getting involved.
While I don't really agree with Fozzies play style, I'm not ready to put them in the Scum pile just yet.
Abby was pushing Mew last day phase, so I don't see them being partnered.
I didn't like Kutaro voting me as a prod vote, and only later declaring me as sus to justify it. There was also some soft defending of Miss Piggy D2. Probably number 2 after Mr. Mew for me.

On day 3, Mr. Mew is Pinocchio's top pick following the Piggy flip. But Pinocchio never goes for Mew all of day 2 when Mew is the leading wagon, and only voted once Piggy's claim occurred. They end up voting Kutaro who has 2 votes while Mew has 1 vote on them:

I'd rather go for Mr. Mew, but I'll take Kutaro as a second

vote: Kutaro

Meanwhile Mew keeps finding reasons to not look at Pinocchio.

Pinocchio gets bonus points for putting some actual effort in their read of me even if I don't agree.

I can't untangle Pinocchio's claim like how I can't untangle you asking for role claims. Pinocchio might not be scum, but they gave scum cover they can use.

If Abby is scum, Pinocchio is my next look. Abby has given us a read of everyone except Pinocchio.

Pinocchio could be misguided town.

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Vote: Mr. Mew

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Welpers. I've missed some fun. I see I've become somewhat of a hot topic for someone....

Abby and Lamb voting me again. Complete surprise. I'm going to do it different this time though.

Vote: Abby Cadabby



1. You agree about looking at the Grogu voters, but you're nervous about us looking at them too much
2. if Grorgu vote is the place to look why are you voting me


3. Like you did with Grogu?

Truthfully, I couldn't make up my mind last night and the room was so quiet so I voted you just to see how people would react and if anyone would jump on the opportunity to join along. Only person who really did was Lamb Chop, but it's not like they dropped an empty post and bailed suspiciously so I dunno. Their vote post read okay to me. So I'm back to where I was when I left last night.

 

[Elmo]

Vote: Mr. Mew

Lots of good points made about mew happy to go here today

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Unvote

Woo, folks. One more hammer. Let a muppet catch up.

 

[Jeff Tracy]

@Elmo for day one why did you break the first tie between Dynamite and Piggy but not the 2nd? Looking at the times it was about 5 minutes to go, did you step away or did you think someone else would break it?

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Here is my case on why Mr. Mew might be Miss Piggy (or at least connected to her):
1. They post roughly around the same time of day (not very conclusive, but it's still evidence)

2. How they interact with each other (or don't)

After Miss Piggy claimed Poison Mirror, Mr. Mew pretty much ignores it and instead discusses the wagon on himself.


Miss Piggy in her claim calls attention to the fact that a Poisoner is often neutral and that Fozzie is Shangs (who is Neutral) other half.


Later Mr. Mew brings again attention to the fact that Fozzie could be Neutral, still without mentioning Miss Piggys claim.


Once Kermit claims Poisoner, he tries to nudge the attention on Kermit possibly being neutral and potentially a threat to Town.



3. Miscellaneous points


After Oscar dropped her first investigation bread crumb, Mr. Mew claims he doesn't want to call attention to the reason for his unvote, thus calling attention to it. Also honestly a blind puppet would have seen that bread crumb for what it is, the question would more have been why it was so openly telegraphed.

He's been tunneling Lamb for pretty much the whole game, without giving much input on other puppets.

Mr. Mew likes to park his vote relatively early and watch the EoD unfold without much intervention. As we have seen on D1 and also D2, that seems to be the modus operandi for Scum this game even if one of their own is on the block.

I love a good long post like this. #1 and #3 don't move the needle for me at all, but the neutral stuff is intriguing. Gonna go back and ponder.

I don't buy this verbal vomit isn't part of this player's style. It reads as indecisive town. Unsure Abby has come for me more than once and both times when I put them in my sight. When I started tunneling Lamb, Abby left me alone. He actually got agreeable and was willing to sheep my posts. Today I call out Grogu votes and the mass claim and Abby finds a way to come back at me all while sounding like they agree.

Vote. Scummy. Behavior.

Everything you've written about me has me nodding along like, "yep!" but it hinges a lot on my vote on you being genuine. That's my fault for taking so long to show up today. Really hoped to get here in the morning and see if anyone jumped one the chance to go after Mew again. So yeah...I kinda shit this up.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

We really think scum is bussing today? Because that’s the choice you are making if Mew is the lynch.

 

[Elmo]

@Elmo for day one why did you break the first tie between Dynamite and Piggy but not the 2nd? Looking at the times it was about 5 minutes to go, did you step away or did you think someone else would break it?

I'll be honest I don't remember, I can only assume I wasn't able to keep track minute by minute as I would have broken the tie again

 

[Jeff Tracy]

I'll be honest I don't remember, I can only assume I wasn't able to keep track minute by minute as I would have broken the tie again

Ok, that sounds fair enough.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

People seem to want pinocchio but not today for some reason

VOTE: Pinocchio

I think scum is trying to guide this conversation just enough so they can get one more mislynch today because keeping 3 until tomorrow is a super strong position. Maybe I’ll regret being sure of myself but my gut was piggy self voted and that leads me here even if I was wrong before.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Hrm. OKay, maybe that was less interesting than I thought. Where were you going with that neutral stuff, Pinocchio? I didn't quite follow other than, "Thought Fozzie could be the neutral, then thought Kermit the poisoner could be neutral."

We really think scum is bussing today? Because that’s the choice you are making if Mew is the lynch.

No time better than today to bus when you're only two days away from a win!

 

[Elmo]

People seem to want pinocchio but not today for some reason

VOTE: Pinocchio

I think scum is trying to guide this conversation just enough so they can get one more mislynch today because keeping 3 until tomorrow is a super strong position. Maybe I’ll regret being sure of myself but my gut was piggy self voted and that leads me here even if I was wrong before.

Whose guiding the conversation? Pinnochio, Jeff and Abby I feel gave been the most vocal. I personally feel good about Jeff and Abby.

 

[Kermit the Frog]

Ok so someone explain me how a neutral+town pair works, there has to be 1 neutral+3 scum left.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Hrm. OKay, maybe that was less interesting than I thought. Where were you going with that neutral stuff, Pinocchio? I didn't quite follow other than, "Thought Fozzie could be the neutral, then thought Kermit the poisoner could be neutral."


No time better than today to bus when you're only two days away from a win!

I mean, if scum dies, that two days doesn’t become one day.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Ok so someone explain me how a neutral+town pair works, there has to be 1 neutral+3 scum left.

Find the rule that says the two puppets have to have the same win condition.

Use your imagination a bit, it’s not that shocking.

 

[Kermit the Frog]

Find the rule that says the two puppets have to have the same win condition.

Use your imagination a bit, it’s not that shocking.

Yes it totally is, we have to win once, they have to win as town AND do the extra wincon, how is that balanced?

 

[Abby Cadabby]

I mean, if scum dies, that two days doesn’t become one day.

Right right. Why bus when you're this close though. Losing just 1 puts them back quite a bit.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Yes it totally is, we have to win once, they have to win as town AND do the extra wincon, how is that balanced?

I don't know if it's worth conjecturing on right now, but I'll throw out a random wondering if the neutral player didn't have another. Maybe two players out there with one account each?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Who’s guiding the conversation? Pinnochio, Jeff and Abby I feel gave been the most vocal. I personally feel good about Jeff and Abby.

Jeff and Mew on this page at least. I don’t feel good about Jeff for sure. But I’m not putting them on trial here because I don’t know which of them is bad but either Jeff is trying to link scum Pinocchio to a town Mew to save Pinocchio later or Mew is trying to distance himself from Pinocchio if he’s scum. Either way, Pinocchio is the link

 

[Elmo]

Yes it totally is, we have to win once, they have to win as town AND do the extra wincon, how is that balanced?

It actually just means that account has two chances to win

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Yes it totally is, we have to win once, they have to win as town AND do the extra wincon, how is that balanced?

How does that affect balance. The player behind the puppets doesn’t win. The puppet accounts win. Why can’t they have two different win cons. You aren’t fine with that but you think one player has two neutral accounts with different win cons?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Right right. Why bus when you're this close though. Losing just 1 puts them back quite a bit.

That’s my point, so Mew likely isn’t a good vote here.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Everything you've written about me has me nodding along like, "yep!" but it hinges a lot on my vote on you being genuine. That's my fault for taking so long to show up today. Really hoped to get here in the morning and see if anyone jumped one the chance to go after Mew again. So yeah...I kinda shit this up.

People seem to want pinocchio but not today for some reason

VOTE: Pinocchio

I think scum is trying to guide this conversation just enough so they can get one more mislynch today because keeping 3 until tomorrow is a super strong position. Maybe I’ll regret being sure of myself but my gut was piggy self voted and that leads me here even if I was wrong before.

I was gonna ask what we do with a Pinocchio flip

Jeff and Mew on this page at least. I don’t feel good about Jeff for sure. But I’m not putting them on trial here because I don’t know which of them is bad but either Jeff is trying to link scum Pinocchio to a town Mew to save Pinocchio later or Mew is trying to distance himself from Pinocchio if he’s scum. Either way, Pinocchio is the link

but this tracks

 

[Elmo]

Unvote

 

[Abby Cadabby]

That’s my point, so Mew likely isn’t a good vote here.

Agreed. Sorry, I was being a smartass in my initial reply because I thought bussing made no sense myself

 

[Kermit the Frog]

I don't know if it's worth conjecturing on right now, but I'll throw out a random wondering if the neutral player didn't have another. Maybe two players out there with one account each?

Possible, but I doubt, probably would go against "normal" setting.

It actually just means that account has two chances to win

Then both would've gotten out, the other serves no purpose being in the game because they can troll to their hearts content.

 

[Kermit the Frog]

How does that affect balance. The player behind the puppets doesn’t win. The puppet accounts win. Why can’t they have two different win cons. You aren’t fine with that but you think one player has two neutral accounts with different win cons?

Yeah? Much easier to win as 2 hunters than 1 hunter and 1 town, not even close. Like I don't wanna stop us from scumhunting but there's a real possibility a neutral exists and CAN screw us over when the time comes.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Possible, but I doubt, probably would go against "normal" setting.

Then both would've gotten out, the other serves no purpose being in the game because they can troll to their hearts content.

Elmo should have said the player has two chances to win. They could theoretically also win on one account and lose on one account.

This is cute and all but does it have a point that is relevant? We are trying to kill scum here not discuss the ethics alt accounts with different alignments.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Yeah? Much easier to win as 2 hunters than 1 hunter and 1 town, not even close. Like I don't wanna stop us from scumhunting but there's a real possibility a neutral exists and CAN screw us over when the time comes.

Shang won already, nothing takes that away from the Shang player even if her other account loses. Idk what that has to do with easier or harder. If you have someone who you think is hunting and actually makes sense as Shang’s alt then say something specific instead of the fearmongering.

 

[Kermit the Frog]

This is cute and all but does it have a point that is relevant? We are trying to kill scum here not discuss the ethics alt accounts with different alignments.

This is rich coming from the person who "I believe and will vote Kermit because he is neutral"
Vote: Fozzie Bear

 

[Fozzie Bear]

This is rich coming from the person who "I believe and will vote Kermit because he is neutral"
Vote: Fozzie Bear

I’m glad the difference between day 3 and day 5 in a 20 person game where only one scum had died is lost on you. Am I scum or are you throwing?

 

[Kermit the Frog]

I won't get heated again, out for the day, see you Day 6.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Helpful, still shocked you’re town

 

[Elmo]

I don't understand what kermit is doing

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I don't understand what kermit is doing

or are you throwing?

^

 

[Elmo]

Like even if you think fozzie isnt town give us something to work with? I'm not sure why you've voted them

 

[Abby Cadabby]

I could go Pinocchio, but I wanna call out one lil' thing and get everyone's opinions because I can't get off these Grogu voters. Lamb is actually reading pretty damn good to me today? Genuine towniness. Seems unsure, but not TOO unsure and fake. But Triumph is almost too agreeable. Very much not wanting to rock the boat and ruffle feathers agreeable.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

The only real pushback I see is on Mew voting her, but then "Great post" to Pinocchio. "Wow this feels town" for Jeff.

 

[Elmo]

The only real pushback I see is on Mew voting her, but then "Great post" to Pinocchio. "Wow this feels town" for Jeff.

Yeah his post to Jeff did ping me

 

[Elmo]

Her* sorry

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Look, if I found out the scum team was Pinocchio, Triumph, and one of Mew/Jeff/Elmo. I wouldn’t be shocked. Triumph is definitely not rocking the boat but tbh I also don’t think Elmo or Pinocchio are rocking the boat either today so it’s not a perfect scum tell to me on its own.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Vote: Pinocchio

I'm burnt out from Abby's gambit and the time I wasted. Questioning if this is still a gambit but I can't right now.

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

I Am quite an agreeable doggo, I'll agree to that!

 

[Pinocchio]

Hrm. OKay, maybe that was less interesting than I thought. Where were you going with that neutral stuff, Pinocchio? I didn't quite follow other than, "Thought Fozzie could be the neutral, then thought Kermit the poisoner could be neutral."


No time better than today to bus when you're only two days away from a win!

My point is the following: They knew there has to be a poisoner in the game, so when Mew is in trouble they try to start a hunt for the poisoner. A good starting point would be the second account of already confirmed Neutral Shang who would have a good chance of being Neutral too. However when Kermit comes forward as the poisoner that lead falls in the water, so they pivot to Kermit instead.

People seem to want pinocchio but not today for some reason

VOTE: Pinocchio

I think scum is trying to guide this conversation just enough so they can get one more mislynch today because keeping 3 until tomorrow is a super strong position. Maybe I’ll regret being sure of myself but my gut was piggy self voted and that leads me here even if I was wrong before.

You'll just be wrong again.

Elmo should have said the player has two chances to win. They could theoretically also win on one account and lose on one account.

This is cute and all but does it have a point that is relevant? We are trying to kill scum here not discuss the ethics alt accounts with different alignments.

I think it's possible to pair a Neutral and Town, but if we look at this game as a 10 player game, it would make sense for the Neutral to have two Neutral accounts. Also having one account work against the other account seems a bit cruel. Imagine you're in final 5 with both accounts and need to decide with which account you want to win.

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

I'm equally happy to flip Pinnochio or Mr Mew today.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Look, if I found out the scum team was Pinocchio, Triumph, and one of Mew/Jeff/Elmo. I wouldn’t be shocked. Triumph is definitely not rocking the boat but tbh I also don’t think Elmo or Pinocchio are rocking the boat either today so it’s not a perfect scum tell to me on its own.

Maybe I'm putting too much into how Piggy's claim went down and my read of it all, but Elmo is who I feel the most confident as being town.

Vote: Pinocchio

I'm burnt out from Abby's gambit and the time I wasted. Questioning if this is still a gambit but I can't right now.

I'm not going to feel too guilty about it yet since you can still be scum, but yeah. It wasn't all for nothing.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

My point is the following: They knew there has to be a poisoner in the game, so when Mew is in trouble they try to start a hunt for the poisoner. A good starting point would be the second account of already confirmed Neutral Shang who would have a good chance of being Neutral too. However when Kermit comes forward as the poisoner that lead falls in the water, so they pivot to Kermit instead.


You'll just be wrong again.


I think it's possible to pair a Neutral and Town, but if we look at this game as a 10 player game, it would make sense for the Neutral to have two Neutral accounts. Also having one account work against the other account seems a bit cruel. Imagine you're in final 5 with both accounts and need to decide with which account you want to win.

Shang could have won as a survivor, nothing forced her to work against a potential town other puppet other than convenience.

 

[Pinocchio]

I think it's possible to pair a Neutral and Town, but if we look at this game as a 10 player game, it would make sense for the Neutral to have two Neutral accounts. Also having one account work against the other account seems a bit cruel. Imagine you're in final 5 with both accounts and need to decide with which account you want to win.

Actually, reading back it looks like Shang could also win with Town or Scum, so that argument is moot.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Maybe I'm putting too much into how Piggy's claim went down and my read of it all, but Elmo is who I feel the most confident as being town.


I'm not going to feel too guilty about it yet since you can still be scum, but yeah. It wasn't all for nothing.

Elmo is very much a blind spot for me and that’s not new info. I’ve seen you say this a few times and I’m just taking it at face value for now. I don’t really see what you saw.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

My point is the following: They knew there has to be a poisoner in the game, so when Mew is in trouble they try to start a hunt for the poisoner. A good starting point would be the second account of already confirmed Neutral Shang who would have a good chance of being Neutral too. However when Kermit comes forward as the poisoner that lead falls in the water, so they pivot to Kermit instead.

So you say: "he tries to nudge the attention on Kermit possibly being neutral and potentially a threat to Town." But when I go back to Kermit reveal, this is you almost immediately:

Are you neutral?

What kind of question is that?

Are you projecting what you all were up to/trying to do?

Vote: Pinocchio

 

[Randomless]

==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start

Mr. Mew (3 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,326
Abby Cadabby - #1,380 #1,436
Lamb Chop - #1,382
Jeff Tracy - #1,433
Elmo - #1,435 #1,456

Pinocchio (3 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,296 #1,298
Fozzie Bear - #1,442
Mr. Mew - #1,474
Abby Cadabby - #1,482

Fozzie Bear (1 votes)
Kermit the Frog - #1,462

Lamb Chop (0 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,340 #1,403

Triumph the Comic Dog (0 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,302 #1,340

Jeff Tracy (0 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,298 #1,326

Abby Cadabby (0 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,403 #1,474

Not voting: Pinocchio, Elmo, Oscar the Grouch

Post Counts:
Triumph the Comic Dog: 32 Fozzie Bear: 31 Abby Cadabby: 24 Mr. Mew: 23 Jeff Tracy: 17 Pinocchio: 16 Kermit the Frog: 15 Elmo: 13 Lamb Chop: 8 Oscar the Grouch: 7

Current Countdown:

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[Elmo]

@Jeff Tracy what do you make of these Pinnochio votes?

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Elmo is very much a blind spot for me and that’s not new info. I’ve seen you say this a few times and I’m just taking it at face value for now. I don’t really see what you saw.

I was gonna say, "we can hash it out another day if Elmo becomes a serious consideration for you," but that assumes I'll be around so I'll just mention it.

-Piggy claims poison
-Triumph, Fozzie, Bert, Lamb make a few posts and no one puts heat on Piggy for the claim. You say we can come back to it, Triumph simply says they like a claim midday instead of 10 before end of day, Lamb and Bert aren't happy with you and your defense of Mew.
-Then about 50 minutes later if my math isn't awful Elmo comes in and says they don't like the Piggy claim and slaps a vote down

So it ain't much, but it's that the wind hadn't gone sour on Piggy and the claim yet. The votes slooowly start rolling in after, and eventually Piggy dies.

 

[Lamb Chop]

I won't lie I don't see Pinocchio as scum

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Forgot Lamb Chop is in the game again

 

[Lamb Chop]

But Triumph is almost too agreeable.

I hadn't considered this but I can totally see that.

 

[Lamb Chop]

Forgot Lamb Chop is in the game again

Ok? I work you know.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

I won't lie I don't see Pinocchio as scum

I know I just gave you "they're feeling more townish today" posts but you've been on the hotseat so without something strong and solid outside "I know" this won't move the needle for me. Begging you to give us something, or a better more likely scum target.

Ok? I work you know.

Everyone knows Shari is the one who does the real work.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

So you say: "he tries to nudge the attention on Kermit possibly being neutral and potentially a threat to Town." But when I go back to Kermit reveal, this is you almost immediately:


Are you projecting what you all were up to/trying to do?

Vote: Pinocchio

I have to head out for now, but I am going to struggle to unsee this. I like Pinocchio or Triumph, but my case on Triumph is thin unless someone finds something more than "they're a nice doggo."

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Vote: Pinocchio

I'm burnt out from Abby's gambit and the time I wasted. Questioning if this is still a gambit but I can't right now.

Is this self-pres? I thought you were focused on the Grogu voters/

@Jeff Tracy what do you make of these Pinnochio votes?

Not sure, you'd figure if it was scum vs. scum they'd have made a bigger effort to present a third option and not gone all in on bussing. It didn't look like Mew was getting much traction with Abby.

 

[Elmo]

@Oscar the Grouch what are you thoughts on the two current wagons?

 

[Mr. Mew]

Is this self-pres? I thought you were focused on the Grogu voters/

Both true and more. Fozzie is right.

Jeff and Mew on this page at least. I don’t feel good about Jeff for sure. But I’m not putting them on trial here because I don’t know which of them is bad but either Jeff is trying to link scum Pinocchio to a town Mew to save Pinocchio later or Mew is trying to distance himself from Pinocchio if he’s scum. Either way, Pinocchio is the link

Though I'm still not sold on Abby and his 4d chess.

 

[Pinocchio]

I guess it's going to be that way then

vote: Mr. Mew

 

[Abby Cadabby]

I guess it's going to be that way then

vote: Mr. Mew

I really hope you're going to respond to this:

So you say: "he tries to nudge the attention on Kermit possibly being neutral and potentially a threat to Town." But when I go back to Kermit reveal, this is you almost immediately:


Are you projecting what you all were up to/trying to do?

Vote: Pinocchio

 

[Lamb Chop]

I know I just gave you "they're feeling more townish today" posts but you've been on the hotseat so without something strong and solid outside "I know" this won't move the needle for me. Begging you to give us something, or a better more likely scum target.

Yeah I know, I generally am ok with Pinocchios posts, I've been suspicious of Mr. Mew since day 2 and if I have to choose one of the 2 I go Mr. Mew

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Really cool that Kermit showed up to waste his vote, I love that for our chances of town getting this right.

 

[Pinocchio]

So you say: "he tries to nudge the attention on Kermit possibly being neutral and potentially a threat to Town." But when I go back to Kermit reveal, this is you almost immediately:


Are you projecting what you all were up to/trying to do?

Vote: Pinocchio

I'm definitely not projecting. At the time I was just surprised at a poisoner coming forward after Piggys claim. If you read further I didn't believe either of the claims.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

I'm definitely not projecting. At the time I was just surprised at a poisoner coming forward after Piggys claim. If you read further I didn't believe either of the claims.

It's not a question of you believing the claims or not. It's about you thinking Mew nudged attention to Kermit possibly being neutral while you yourself first shoved the idea out there by directly asking Kermit right after the claim. I'm trying to sort out why what Mew did is a problem while your move wasn't too.