Scum Thread MGS Mafia |Scum| FOXHOUND Funhouse

heymonkey

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Fanto won't be considered for a while even if she should be, so if we're keeping LP alive, then yes, I do think we could kill her. We know she has two powers also. Then LP tomorrow. also Fanto will be less mad at me if I don't keep her alive until end game

Alternately... we could kill ATP before he uses a revive, but I think he's really good to have in the thread. That would purely be a pragmatic kill.

But I think I vote Fanto.
 

heymonkey

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Honestly, Zeke gave us a gift in that list. Maybe we don't want to push the validity. We just have to save you, Faddy.
 

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Maybe we also kill ATP before he uses Psycho Mantis. Can probably use it the same way Zeke could and that could really fuck us actually.

Yeah. I think that's the kill.
 

heymonkey

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Faddy, you could always say you're this - since rations are health & this prevents death - and say you'd never use it because it wastes a day. https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Pacifist

I'd alter it so it JUST stops the day kill, not the night kill - both is too powerful. I'm still looking though.

If there's something you want, I could swap you, too. I don't have to be Kaz. It's just funny to me to use that fake claim, considering, but Kaz has more flexibility.
 

Ephidel

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He could also be Rosemary if he wants and I'll bullshit something else when I need to claim.

As a psych counselor:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Shrink
Doesn't work with how I've seen cults work here, but could say it blocks someone being recruited/being able to recruit.
Might give him a reason for that cult talk on d1.
Or posit that the world's least effective serial killer is in this game (or hey, maybe the serial killer is super effective and people are roleblocking all the scum every night).

Or as a data analyst and spy:

Spy is an alternate name for this https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Little Girl ?

Useless sentences are technically data. Lol, he can even tell the truth and pick a completely useless sentence from our actual mafia chat each each night if he feels particularly trolly. There's no reason to say anything because the text he got was rubbish and he can be reluctant to claim because he was hoping against hope if he didn't alert scum he might get something with a name in it eventually.
 

Faddy

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I think I am going to claim Universal Back Up. I get the role of the person killed on day 1.

I'll take kazuhiro miller.

N1 - couldn't act
N2 - commute
N3 - manual
N4 - switch monkey and lone prodigy
 

heymonkey

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I think I am going to claim Universal Back Up. I get the role of the person killed on day 1.

I'll take kazuhiro miller.

N1 - couldn't act
N2 - commute
N3 - manual
N4 - switch monkey and lone prodigy
good ol' Kaz (who is really not a good guy at all but technically one of the "good guys.")

Okay, then I'll take rations should I need it. Ephi, I really like the claim you came up with too! - but I think you should also add your elim-proof to anything you fake claim because it's so good and real!
 

heymonkey

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If Faddy feels comfortable, drop that stealth on me, Kopite, and I'll ninjacrush ATP.

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Sorry, ATP, but we can't have you out here reviving people.
 

heymonkey

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okay, team. laser focus on people on that list, pick off the others at night, protect Faddy, profit

GL GL GL GL GL GL
 

Ephidel

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Ephi, I really like the claim you came up with too! - but I think you should also add your elim-proof to anything you fake claim because it's so good and real!
Oh god no, I wasn't making claims for myself, I just thought if Faddy (or someone else I guess) wanted to use the name instead they might be things that might work with it.

I'm actually starting to be a little iffy about the name though, I keep coming back to the fact that she and her ai counterpart are patriots :/

As far as claims go I'm sticking with elimination proof.
Nice and simple. And proveable.
I'll make it work with whatever flavourwise.
 

heymonkey

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I wonder if Zem has another power besides gossip because it's very interesting that he just asked me if he should claim. I hope that's a joke and not a red check. :/
 

Faddy

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I wonder if Zem has another power besides gossip because it's very interesting that he just asked me if he should claim. I hope that's a joke and not a red check. :/

I think ATP had something and they shared the info in a chat.
 

heymonkey

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Oh FUCKING NICE. We stopped the revive but Psycho Mantis helped us out. THANKS, FADDY MANTIS, YOU'RE A REAL ONE
 

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I already re-tailored to the pacifist role but you crazy bastard, I think this wild shit worked.

What a beautiful mess we've made.
 

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ope, Stan knows we redirected him lol

But this may get us to lock up LP because Kalor got foxdie somewhere.
 

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I have a feeling he's going to accuse Kopite, maybe, for mentioning the skull face thing. just something to plan for if it happens. Kopite, can you confirm you are here?
 

Kopite

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I have a feeling he's going to accuse Kopite, maybe, for mentioning the skull face thing. just something to plan for if it happens. Kopite, can you confirm you are here?
Just woke up, havent really caught up with the main thread yet, cliff notes?
 

heymonkey

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Kalor immediately said LP visited him and now he's got foxdie, so LP may be that guy. But foxdie also may be a secret infection deal.

Stan wants to know what Sparks saw when he tracked him. He seems to be chasing the redirector.

ATP did die but was in the chat with Zem and did use the Psychomantis card as predicted... and got a smaller list without Faddy that apparently includes scum. So that'll be the focus.

Glad you're here and my worry there was unfounded!
 

Kopite

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Kalor immediately said LP visited him and now he's got foxdie, so LP may be that guy. But foxdie also may be a secret infection deal.

Stan wants to know what Sparks saw when he tracked him. He seems to be chasing the redirector.

ATP did die but was in the chat with Zem and did use the Psychomantis card as predicted... and got a smaller list without Faddy that apparently includes scum. So that'll be the focus.

Glad you're here and my worry there was unfounded!
Thanks, I just caught up as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if I‘ve just dropped out of consciousness lol, I’ve read multiple long read lists where I’m not on it at all
 

Kopite

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So these are the non Foxhound players left and their claimed/investigated/copied/inferred roles:

FateShirou: Unknown
Funky Dude Sparks / Sparkster: Tracker
Leo: Poison Doc
nin: Unknown but mentioned something to do with frequencies
Zem: Gossip
Stantastic / Stan: Chat blocker + ???
Verelios / Vere: Mason + Sleepwalker
Fanto: Unknown
Kalor: Self watcher
HPsauce / HP: Lover
SkyOdin: Unknown
Zippedpinhead / Zipped: Lover
jman1954goat / Jman: Bomb Defuser
Lone_Prodigy / LP: Foxdyer + ???
Neki: Unknown

If we assume everyone is telling the truth then the cop and/or doc assuming they exist should be in this pool:

Fate
Fanto
Sky
Neki

Would suggest a kill and copy on 2 of the players above. Dark horses who could still be cop/doc:

Nin
Stan
LP

Nin could well be an unconventional doc/cop and maybe made the frequency thing go under the radar. Also, the Patriot team seems really weak considering no NK and easy counters so I wonder if there's a chance that there could be a scum cop to weed us out? I think we should push Vere today and convince Sparks to track LP if Vere flips town, then we direct LP to one of the 4 players in the second list above that we aren't targetting for killing or copying
 

Kopite

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Should i just claim redirector?
Not sure how you can explain your choices (Stan-Zip and LP-Kalor) or why you didn't redirect Zeke(although maybe that one's explainable as you can't target the same person twice and you redirected Zeke onto himself in N2 so when there were no NK you suspected him even more?)
 

heymonkey

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Should i just claim redirector?
I don't think so because it will look very sketch that you didn't say anything the moment LP started pushing back and saying no. I think that's just a surefire path to death.

We also need to make sure what you claim fits with Kaz or the flavorheads are going to push for your death.
 

Kopite

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Oh yeah if we believe ATPs list and Vere/Kalor/Leo claims then patriot scummie in that list is Fanto which means remaining patriots likely:

Fanto
Stan
LP
 

Kopite

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We need 7 days of mislunches and NK to win. Seems almost impossible at this point with things unraveling lol
 

heymonkey

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We need 7 days of mislunches and NK to win. Seems almost impossible at this point with things unraveling lol
No we don't.

4 of us

17 left
NK lovers=
11 vs 4
3 people on ATPs list + 3 NKs=
5 vs 4
We live through that last day, we win. So four phases.
 

heymonkey

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We can also spin that hammer just as I got back, potentially. I am not particularly worried. Our main goal is to push ATP's list and protect everyone who is not me as much as possible. I would say don't push me but leave space, but we need them to focus on ATP's list. But if we can protect all of you and you lose me, that's just one more phase. This is winnable.
 

Faddy

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I think it might be time to abandon me tbh.

Tonight I think we kill Fate just because he is so focussed on Kopite but if we kill him now that is going to get lost in the shuffle.

We possibly want to copy Fate too. unless we are looking for a cop. I think it would have helped massively if LP claimed cop.
 

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Kopite's list from before, updated:

FateShirou: Unknown
Funky Dude Sparks / Sparkster: Tracker
Leo: Poison Doc
nin: Unknown but mentioned something to do with frequencies, also says passive
Zem: Gossip
Stantastic / Stan: Chat blocker + ???
Verelios / Vere: Mason + Sleepwalker
Fanto: Unknown
Kalor: Self watcher
HPsauce / HP: Lover
SkyOdin: Unknown
Zippedpinhead / Zipped: Lover
jman1954goat / Jman: Bomb Defuser
Lone_Prodigy / LP: Foxdyer + ???
Neki: Unknown

If we assume everyone is telling the truth then the cop and/or doc assuming they exist should be in this pool:

Fate
Fanto
Sky
Neki

Would suggest a kill and copy on 2 of the players above. Dark horses who could still be cop/doc:

Nin
Stan
LP
 

heymonkey

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I think it might be time to abandon me tbh.

Tonight I think we kill Fate just because he is so focussed on Kopite but if we kill him now that is going to get lost in the shuffle.

We possibly want to copy Fate too. unless we are looking for a cop. I think it would have helped massively if LP claimed cop.
I would rather not abandon you unless we have to. I think we can power wolf this to the end because a path has been laid out.

These are the people who have to get voted out:
Vere, Fanto, Kalor

Kalor will be the hardest and should be last, I think. We can push Vere and Fanto as possible partners. Kalor has to be pushed as team Liquid and as the key to unlocking it but we can in the meantime push that there may actually only be one scum team, maybe.
 

Faddy

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Fanto is unlikely to be cop because they said they thought maol was the cop. unless that was just a deflection.
 

Faddy

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or maybe there isn't a cop. no one is playing like they have info either way.
 

heymonkey

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I think at some point I might claim cop tomorrow.
Mmm. Natiko actually doesn't use cops usually but you could as Kaz claim weak hider. He LOVES weak modifiers.

(I assume there really is a cop because godfather but there may not be. If you claim it as a check you might bait the CC and then you can be like "oh actually I'm a hider.")

But I think tomorrow the focus is really on ATP's list, and you're not on it. So don't open there. Don't assume you're gonna die.
 

Faddy

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We also need to remember that if we are 1 away from winning we can have Ephidel make a "slip" in the game thread and use their unlychable power.
 

heymonkey

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If there is a real cop I'm getting checked tonight unless they're out of shots. I do agree it's not Fanto, so I'd like to kill for that. It leaves Fate, Sky, and Neki. We can direct one, kill one, and gamble on the third.
 

Kopite

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I think Fanto's the bomber since she's on ATPs list, the 2 actions she has is the bomb and +1? Not sure if we want to kill another Patriot so quickly.

Fate's an odd one, they're also on LPs list so killing them means the focus will fall even more on you two (and possibly me).
 

heymonkey

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There’s no good reason for town to focus outside of ATP’s list. We know there’s scum there. But it’s Patriot scum so we don’t want to NK them. And if so they will go after me first.
I mean, town does stupid shit but that would be real dumb.
 

heymonkey

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Zem? man, my feelings are hurt that I haven't been invited. I love me a night chat. :( TIME ZONES MEAN NOTHING IF YOU DON'T SLEEP, ZEM
 

heymonkey

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Interesting though. Zem said he was inviting people he townread who were in closer timezones. does he town read you?
 

Faddy

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Interesting though. Zem said he was inviting people he townread who were in closer timezones. does he town read you?

I don't think so. He is bullshitting that he had some sort of truth telling power for messages in the chat.
 

Faddy

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Like Zem. come on, if you actually had such an ability you wouldn't have double dipped on ATP
 

heymonkey

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I mean, maybe. Night chats are good for building reads. But I don’t think he did that with Ephi so yeah. BS.
 

Faddy

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Zem said

Right now my top scum are:

Vere - roleblocked night two with no kill or bomb, his reveal smells, his breadcrumb for that sleepwalking part is basic mafia stuff when you're doing mafia kills and need something to point back to. Refusal to name his mason (I think he said even if he was voted out)
Kalor - I don't think LP actually moved last night, that part was true imo. So someone either moved him, or Kalor lied as he knows he's under pressure and thinks getting rid of scum from another team might buy him some days.
Fanto - Been null/scum read for a while now and that vote on Monkey after the LP reveal was not good.
Stan - For days been "ignore flavour!" then today when Kalor said he was Quiet and LP said he was the goggles he completely accepted it as flavour, and even suggested the flavour for LP. He also went all in on Sparks, knew Sparks would be an easy target? Could have lied about moving, felt like a distraction for LP no matter how much he protests.
 

heymonkey

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Do I risk the strong or do I play it safe with the stealth? I agree that Fate is probably the target.
 

Ephidel

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If there is a real cop I'm getting checked tonight unless they're out of shots. I do agree it's not Fanto, so I'd like to kill for that. It leaves Fate, Sky, and Neki. We can direct one, kill one, and gamble on the third.
Do I risk the strong or do I play it safe with the stealth? I agree that Fate is probably the target.

I feel like we should kill SkyOdin.
He's thoughtful, well reasoned, and has come out sounding Very Certain about things at times and we don't know if there's a reason for that.
He's been wrong a bunch too, yes, but he's been flying pretty under the radar and his role is still unknown.
He's shown signs of looking into Faddy and Kopite but his lack of presence means that might not have been noted and if he dies people might just shrug a bit and focus on the louder issues like lists and open wolfing scum.


Copy Neki or Shirou, perhaps?
Neki is an enigma, Shirou has that unknown day ability.
I don't know what day abilities are common, I don't know how likely it is to be something worth playing with.


Stan is also still a risk, but hopefully not an immediate one.
We now know the disruption is temporary, but we still don't really wanna be hit by it.
I feel like if anything he's probably more likely to chuck it at Sparks though, and I don't want to cut off potential for the Stan & Sparks show to make them both look worse if they return to it, or if people want to accuse one or both of them from trying to distract from LP for a time yesterday.


I'm tempted to say we leave Shirou alive because if people actually do want to look at LP's deathbed scumhunt I think he's one of the ones people will come away from thinking worse of.
People have commented on his attempts to push being erratic in terms of questions, targets, and followthrough before. He has a lot of posts. His votes are weird. I kinda want to let people waste their time trying to analyse him.
He's not on The Lists but I think he's a decent misvote target if people want to stray from them.
Giving LP's scumlist some Serious Thought and coming away from it thinking Vere and Shirou look the worst feels potentially doable.

... and entirely selfishly I think he's less likely to scum read me. The longer I'm not in a position to need to claim for the more versatile that lynchproof is.
 

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
Question about Leo.

He's been scumreading Kalor, and he's been voting for him, but assuming he is the poison doc do you think that would stop him trying to cure him?

Because if Leo is the kind of good samaritan who intends to play his role properly, maybe he does try to cure him anyway. Even if just to try and prove himself.

And if he does, and he goes into the thread and says he did, and Kalor says he didn't...
Well. That would be unfortunate, wouldn't it.

We could make that happen.
 

heymonkey

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I don’t think Foxdie matters anymore. Maybe it does, but only if it’s a real poison. And while it would be great to see an extra kill, not sure I want to gamble on someone who could be day killed.
I think you make solid points about Fate though.
 

Faddy

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Do I risk the strong or do I play it safe with the stealth? I agree that Fate is probably the target.

i think the stealth is better. We need the strong for a cop. But honestly Hawthorn was the super doctor so I don't think it matters.

Fate is Sunny btw. Or at least that is what i go from breadcrumbs.
 

Faddy

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i think Leo cures Kalor because what else is he going to do?
 

heymonkey

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Kalor would know he wasn't visited.
oh right lol

I'm very smart
i think the stealth is better. We need the strong for a cop. But honestly Hawthorn was the super doctor so I don't think it matters.

Fate is Sunny btw. Or at least that is what i go from breadcrumbs.
Yeah, and I was thinking last night about what Sunny could be. Fate could be an innocent child - that could be a day command deployed by him. That would be not super great. Not a vig. Not sure about too many other possible day commands, but could be a major curveball.

@Ephidel, Neki softed a shitty role - do you think that could be a lie or more likely truth?
 

Faddy

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i really don't think we can get fate voted ou and they are a much louder town voice than sky
 

Faddy

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I should probably note what I claimed to Zem before the chat gets taken away

I didn't get to use a command on night 1 since I took the role at the start of of day 2.

I roleblocked Zeke on night 2.
night 3 recharge
night 4 I commuted
night 5 recharge

The lack of bombs, poisons and kills on day 3 made me even more suspect of Zeke. And I really believe the tailor thing because the role that flipped lacked instructions. Like there is nothing that tells him what to do but he has a very powerful role if he just happen to know MGS lore and mess about? Not believable.
 

Ephidel

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I don't actually have a rubric for what Neki might consider a good role, let alone a shitty one.
I think it's a safe bet he doesn't have anything crazy and weird like like ATP or what you three have. Past that I wouldn't like to say.
 

Ephidel

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Something passive, maybe.

Hell, maybe he's Vere's mason and when he was asking why the partner shouldn't claim in thread he was trying to sound out his own options.
 

Faddy

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Something passive, maybe.

Hell, maybe he's Vere's mason and when he was asking why the partner shouldn't claim in thread he was trying to sound out his own options.

Possible. Who should I be controlling?
 

heymonkey

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Then my vote is Sky today and Fate tomorrow, then the lovers, I think. Fate isn't someone we want to try to get voted out. We want to focus on ATP's scum list for vote-kills, which is:
Vere
Kalor
Leo - probably not him
Fanto

We get through those, do NKs, especially the lovers, and at some point push a vote on Sparks. We do that, we win.
Something passive, maybe.

Hell, maybe he's Vere's mason and when he was asking why the partner shouldn't claim in thread he was trying to sound out his own options.
oh, that's a good point. If it's not Sky as partner, then I think Sky is the one with the riskiest role.
 

heymonkey

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and for Kopite, too. Should Kopite copy nin? nin is the big big unknown. or Fate? This is your last copy, right?
 

Faddy

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oh, that's a good point. If it's not Sky as partner, then I think Sky is the one with the riskiest role.

Yeah that is true. if Sky isn't masons with verelios they could be a cop role.

They were pushing me about the Zeke flip. I asked how they knew I was wrong and they just went quiet
 

heymonkey

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CREEPING UP ALL SILENT LIKE A CAT AND THEN POW! MURDERIZE: SKYODIN

Sorry, Sky, but you are the chosen one for silent ninja death.
 

Ephidel

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What would actually happen to Kopite if Shirou is innocent child and Kopite tried to use the power?

Loki told me before that there was some dispute in the end of season discussion over how that was handled when her confirmed role was copied in one of the HvV games. I know we discussed what we thought should have happened (The result in game was that he was mod confirmed town as his fake claim, she thought he should have been mod confirmed scum, I thought he should have been mod confirmed town but with her flavour and thus look sus because of it as hers was already known) but I can't recall what she said the actual decision was.
 

heymonkey

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What would actually happen to Kopite if Shirou is innocent child and Kopite tried to use the power?

Loki told me before that there was some dispute in the end of season discussion over how that was handled when her confirmed role was copied in one of the HvV games. I know we discussed what we thought should have happened (The result in game was that he was mod confirmed town as his fake claim, she thought he should have been mod confirmed scum, I thought he should have been mod confirmed town but with her flavour and thus look sus because of it as hers was already known) but I can't recall what she said the actual decision was.
That was muffin, right? He copied it? He was mod confirmed town, I believe. But that was Geno so... no telling.

But Kopite BECOMES that role, we asked that before. So I don't know but... it seems like he's that role for the day. I don't think would want to force that thunderdome though. I think Fate would be believable in his outrage and Decoy Octopus has already been brought up in the thread.
 

Faddy

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Yeah there are no rules that mods have to do things the same way in different games, and especially not in bastard games.
 

heymonkey

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I am double good on this kill because I have a weird feeling Sky can see through tailoring. Maybe it's a cop thing that Faddy picked up on with Zeke but his "no" to the tailoring suspicion made me wonder.

If so and we see that in his flip, that's good actually - it means Zeke wasn't the scum on the list.
 

heymonkey

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God I hope there are no more roleblocks. We should consider if Ephi should do the kill, maybe. I don't think there are, but we are fucked if there is.
 

Kopite

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and for Kopite, too. Should Kopite copy nin? nin is the big big unknown. or Fate? This is your last copy, right?
Yep, last copy. Innocent child fits with Fate's flavour and would be a wack copy, I think Fanto's the bomber and that won't give us much either. And if nin's power is really something to do with frequencies or Neki's really a mason then that would be meh too. Any ideas?
 

Faddy

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Yep, last copy. Innocent child fits with Fate's flavour and would be a wack copy, I think Fanto's the bomber and that won't give us much either. And if nin's power is really something to do with frequencies or Neki's really a mason then that would be meh too. Any ideas?

we know stan is doing something. although probably just a chat blocker
 

heymonkey

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Yep, last copy. Innocent child fits with Fate's flavour and would be a wack copy, I think Fanto's the bomber and that won't give us much either. And if nin's power is really something to do with frequencies or Neki's really a mason then that would be meh too. Any ideas?
You could copy Fanto and if she's the bomber, we could cop check her, except we don't actually have a fake claim that could be a cop check. if we kill jman tomorrow night and bomb someone, that could be good for us if the bombs actually explode.

I really don't know. There's not a lot left. I say just copy whomever we really need to find out about and I think that's nin or Fanto from what we have left, unless we want to see what Fate is sitting on.
 
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