Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Neato. Didn't notice that.
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El Topo
Spanish for "The Topo"
It's late here, please be so kind and link to the post where you explain your vote for Crimson. Thanks.
Kark and FEP are echoing each other so completely that there are only very subtle differences. Kark is the much more hard headed of the two but that's him regardless where as FEP tried to tunnel but then steps back if resistance gets to high. Like I said, I think FEP is the one sheeping Kark here. They could also both be scum but that seems very short sighted. Feel like 2 scum don't go all in on a tunnel like this.
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
Okay, so after having gone through the entire thread I feel that I will start with:
VOTE: Sorian
I actually kinda agreed with his day 2 obsession over the killing of Kawl being dumb luck on an inactive, but his subsequent posts just did not sit right with me.
People I will keep my eyes on for various reasons:
El Topo
Faddy
Dusk
VOTE: Sorian
I actually kinda agreed with his day 2 obsession over the killing of Kawl being dumb luck on an inactive, but his subsequent posts just did not sit right with me.
People I will keep my eyes on for various reasons:
El Topo
Faddy
Dusk
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
I'm awake.
You love talking about tunnels, Sorian. Think about the one you've been in. Tell us about that. More, tell us what my flip teaches you about the game. More, tell me about why you don't want to pursue the CCS train today. There is no way there's not scum on that train. As in, literally no way.
Faddy, I don't understand your logic at all. There's no scum on the Kawl lynch therefore Sorian can't be scum? Something about if there is bussing then Sorian can't be scum? Literally no comprendo.
Worm, the two more scum thing was a mistake. I think sorian pointed it out right after i said it too.
You love talking about tunnels, Sorian. Think about the one you've been in. Tell us about that. More, tell us what my flip teaches you about the game. More, tell me about why you don't want to pursue the CCS train today. There is no way there's not scum on that train. As in, literally no way.
Faddy, I don't understand your logic at all. There's no scum on the Kawl lynch therefore Sorian can't be scum? Something about if there is bussing then Sorian can't be scum? Literally no comprendo.
Worm, the two more scum thing was a mistake. I think sorian pointed it out right after i said it too.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
The fact is there is no way scum lose a 2nd player to 4 votes if there is 3 scum left. Nin ended the day with 2 confirmed Town players on him plus heymonkey. There are at least 2 scum left, why doesn't that nin vote carry instead of town being able to hit alleged scum Sorian. The only way that happens is if heymonkey and Sorian are scum together, which is what Kark was pushing at the start of the day but backed off because he realised it was dumb.
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
You're assuming there are no inactive scum. You're assuming scum votes weren't already tied up on the second train.
What do you suggest scum were doing? Voting sorian?
What do you suggest scum were doing? Voting sorian?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
yes, just like they voted Sorian on day 1.
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
Kark is the only one on both of those votes. Who are the other two then?
karkador
Board Game King
This is where we're misunderstanding. I haven't backed off of that idea at all.
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
Why did Nin and Kark split their votes d1 instead of saving kawl? Why did scum both lead into a wagon rather than create one?
I see where you're coming from, but I'm not convinced. Food for thought. I guess the million dollar question is: who do you think is best lynch?
I see where you're coming from, but I'm not convinced. Food for thought. I guess the million dollar question is: who do you think is best lynch?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
That is pretty obvious. Split the vote and see if one of the trains gathers momentum. Then one on the failed wagon can move over if it becomes a 2-way race on the premise that they were picking between two people. Since neither train really picked up they played it safe and kept separate votes.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
it sure looks like you are backing off that idea...
or at least wanting to unlink the idea from the case for lynching Sorian.
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
CCS v Sorian is 5v3
Looks like one trained gained momentum to me...
Looks like one trained gained momentum to me...
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I demonstrated with the votes that the only way Sorian is scum is if heymonkey is scum. From the scum flip and the utility of monkey's power it is very unlikely she is scum.
imo heymonkey isn't scum therefore sorian isn't scum.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Not enough to overtake Kawl though. And if scum were reading my posts closely they would be nervous I would switch from CCS.
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
Enough to tie Kawl and then force to either bounce off kawl or ccs or for other sorian voters to choose between those two. And it isn't like tying the vote is a scumtell provided there is reasonable time for people to adjust accordingly.
While i see what you're saying, I'm not convinced. The votes don't tell any definitive story of sorian being town imo. Dusk and Worm look there cleanest to me. Everyone else ranges neutral to bad.
You give a small reason for Sorian and none for the others. Care to share?
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
I gave reason for Sorian as I voted him, and it would be weird not to.
Topo seemed kinda aggro from what I have read. Not nessisarily a scum tell , just a point of interest.
Faddy kinda seems to flip flop quite a bit. One moment he's trying to Lynch Sorian the next he's defending him for example.
Dusk is purely gut at the moment.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
looking at nin vote timeline from yesterday
nin gives a pretty shitty answer here tbh, Sorian punishes him for it, so that's the ball a-rollin'
kyanrute follows up when Sorian calls out people without votes
at 4-3-2 CF-Sorian-Nin monkey moves to tie the vote to 3-3-3 to make things interesting I guess
nin gives a pretty shitty answer here tbh, Sorian punishes him for it, so that's the ball a-rollin'
kyanrute follows up when Sorian calls out people without votes
at 4-3-2 CF-Sorian-Nin monkey moves to tie the vote to 3-3-3 to make things interesting I guess
Blarg is making some shifty movements in the last two minutes, no doubt inspired by monkey. It's unclear what Sorian would've/could've seen here - Blarg had been voting CF since T-8 minutes to eod, but he didn't start shifting until T-2, and Sorian shifts tracks at T-1. We also get Cabot voting Sorian at T-2 right before Blarg's shifting.
Your flip is the only one that ties to someone else actually so asking me what information it gives is dumb. If you are scum then Kark is likely town and vice-versa. That said, I don't flip for info. I want to flip you because I think you are scum. I've made myself very clear on the CCS train and I'm also well aware that the majority of the votes will end up there today but until then, I can make my stance here known. Trust me, I can read the room perfectly fine, if I were actually trying to avoid my own lynch, I'd be rallying votes against nin or Topo, that would be much easier than diverting to you.
vote: nin1000
Kyan was there, I ended there, and Blarg was there before I overrode - it's where he stopped, and since he didn't seem to be doing it for nefarious purposes, I'll sit here a bit and see how it feels. nin has been largely absent, making some noise when here but not seemingly paying much attention to the thread. Also, I did some counting of the remaining players on posts since this phase started.
Dr. Worm, El Topo, Faddy, cabot, Sorian, flatearthpandas, Karkador, and I are all pretty active. Ty4on and Terra get a pass as they've just replaced (but have already outposted the people they replaced).
However:
Dusk Solider: 2
nin1000: 3
Nomadic: 1
^^these people are not here. nin, in fact, has been consistently not here throughout the game. Same with Dusk. They roll in, do a bit of a drive-by, vote, and roll out. Dusk, this seems typical. nin, less so. Add this to his votes, the things he's gotten wrong in the thread so far, and for now, going into the last day of the phase, here I am.
Kyan was there, I ended there, and Blarg was there before I overrode - it's where he stopped, and since he didn't seem to be doing it for nefarious purposes, I'll sit here a bit and see how it feels. nin has been largely absent, making some noise when here but not seemingly paying much attention to the thread. Also, I did some counting of the remaining players on posts since this phase started.
Dr. Worm, El Topo, Faddy, cabot, Sorian, flatearthpandas, Karkador, and I are all pretty active. Ty4on and Terra get a pass as they've just replaced (but have already outposted the people they replaced).
However:
Dusk Solider: 2
nin1000: 3
Nomadic: 1
^^these people are not here. nin, in fact, has been consistently not here throughout the game. Same with Dusk. They roll in, do a bit of a drive-by, vote, and roll out. Dusk, this seems typical. nin, less so. Add this to his votes, the things he's gotten wrong in the thread so far, and for now, going into the last day of the phase, here I am.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
Cabot voted you, Blargonaut voted you then unvoted you within the same timestamp that you voted CrimsonFist
I can't reasonably make speculations about your expectations based on that
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
Just so you know, i did a spit-take IRL
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
I'm calling all of the votes lazy, I want to know how many are on my, not how many voted since then and as said above, shit is lazy. Subbed in and immediately baited into the hot topic.
cabot
Why.
I find this rather odd and un-Ty like.
You gonna answer this question Topo?
Why don't they sit right, what exactly is it you're scumreading?
Also who are your top Town?
You've most definitely stepped back. Your second post of the day was saying how obvious it was scum monkey protected scum Sorian. You've since, as Faddy said, distanced yourself from Monkey being certain scum.
Hell you've even mentioned the possibility of a Town Sorian flip.
I tell you what I struggle with Kark. You and Sorian have history, so it's easy to create a tunnel/genuine attack on players you have history with.
I know this because I did this. In Anime, as scum I spent most of three day phases arguing with Dusk Soldier, because he was clearly lying and I knew it. He wasn't on my team, but the argument felt real because it was. I can see scum!Kark going for the easiest emotional well in this game, which is tunnel in on Sorian.
You did this from Day 1, I've seen nothing from Sorian that's a clear as shit scumtell.
cabot
Why.
I don't really find myself agreeing with Feps either, but I feel much better about him
VOTE: nin1000
I huffed and I puffed, now I'm going to blow your house down.
With a single vote.
VOTE: nin1000
I huffed and I puffed, now I'm going to blow your house down.
With a single vote.
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
Thought the question was how many lazy votes came after terra's.
Was just monkey's, thought it was meh.
Was just monkey's, thought it was meh.
Now that I have more than a second. Why? You and Kark are the only two with a real link. Topo and nin could be any orientation of town and scum so one flipping doesn't dawn anything on me. Who else is linked? And if you try to say me and monkey then let me stop you right there because no shit I don't care about myself and I'm still sure monkey is town.
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
You and Mo--oh damn.
More links, don't worry. Keep pulling the sweater. I'm at work now and won't have time to really engage for a few hours.
But I want to say that I object to this idea of sharing reads as being scummy. Kark and I share some reads. That isn't a link. Lynching one of us does not indicate alignment of the other. Especially without knowing your alignment. When you flip scum we both look great.
More links, don't worry. Keep pulling the sweater. I'm at work now and won't have time to really engage for a few hours.
But I want to say that I object to this idea of sharing reads as being scummy. Kark and I share some reads. That isn't a link. Lynching one of us does not indicate alignment of the other. Especially without knowing your alignment. When you flip scum we both look great.
There's a difference between sharing reads and sheeping reads.
And what happens when I flip town? Because I recommend you take a step back and think about that now.
Dusk Soldier
Not contagious
How are you counting our posts?
cabot
Why.
Dusk, you sure changed your mind on monkey quick enough.
Tell me why scum monkey would not override Kawl D1
Dusk Soldier
Not contagious
I changed my mind?
Are you sure?
Are you sure?
So I just only noticed this because cabot quoted it. Are you trying to make an argument on the basis that Ouro purposely made the game unbalanced?
Dusk Soldier
Not contagious
Faddy was making the case that scum team having both a lynch bomb and an override would be game breaking balance wise.
And I was countering that we don't have enough information to make reads based on game balance.
Monkey being scum at this point seems unlikely, because she two weapons D1 she could have used to save Kawl, but she didn't.
karkador
Board Game King
Scum monkey would not override Kawl because that was day 1. Too early to use up an override on a situation that was getting fixed by the rush on CCS.
Day 2 came around and Sorian was yet again in trouble. Sorian was a more important scum to protect , and the rush on someone else was there, but not as strong. Sorian ended up winning the vote, so it was a desperation move.
They chose a bystander with no clear target, Blarg, to not make it look like a retaliatory move (despite that, the command has a pretty retaliatory sound, "NO U:")
Day 2 came around and Sorian was yet again in trouble. Sorian was a more important scum to protect , and the rush on someone else was there, but not as strong. Sorian ended up winning the vote, so it was a desperation move.
They chose a bystander with no clear target, Blarg, to not make it look like a retaliatory move (despite that, the command has a pretty retaliatory sound, "NO U:")
An actual thing that could happen. Meanwhile, an ability that lets scum control an entire day phase with no repercussions. Uh huh.
So what does it answer when I flip town? You seem to have created a whole narrative for if I'm scum but you've said very little about a town flip.
karkador
Board Game King
Yeah, I noticed people talked about something in a recent game that didn't go over well. Gonna go out on a Lin and say Ouro doesn't repeat the same mistake again when he is so tame in terms of what he considers bastard.
I'm off work in like 10 minutes when I get home ill shortly be gone until like an hour or two before deadline.
Dusk: I counted with paper and pen, and stopped on each player after I got over ten, since the more active players had loads.
Kark: are you really arguing I'm scum on the basis of the COMMAND? Did you notice we are all terrible people in the flips? Don't you think that mitigates your "argument" a bit?
Kark: are you really arguing I'm scum on the basis of the COMMAND? Did you notice we are all terrible people in the flips? Don't you think that mitigates your "argument" a bit?
karkador
Board Game King
It's a boon either way. Protective roles have less of an idea of who to protect. And Kawl was MIA, not a lot they could do. But it does lend more credence to the idea that they wouldn't override Kawl.
karkador
Board Game King
Because the little bit of goodwill from that Kawl lynch (a lynch bomb, not the most difficult sacrifice to make) wouldn't make up for losing a second mafia member on day 2.
Here, at least, we agree. I see where feps is coming from and where he's going. Kark is weaving and because I know where I stand, it's actually done the opposite of what he intended and made me think you might be town. But I still don't trust you - or rather, I trust your ability to say the best thing at the best time to make yourself look clean.
Still, I have only meta reasons to think Kark could be scum and regardless I think it's much more likely that we're seeing a big town knot while scum skates by without a care in the world. I understand why Kark is weaving this narrative, though not why he's so dedicated to it. It's just he's wrong about a big part of it and then the whole thing collapses.
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
Still curious how I'm sheeping reads when I started the train on you d1 and d3 but w/e. I don't think right now kark is sheeping either.
If you flip town, I would go after next scummiest on CCS votes. I mentioned earlier that would probably be nin.
Day one I idly considered blowing it immediately to get Sorian out of the way. Activity levels changed my mind and I figured I'd keep it in my pocket until a need arose.
My thought process is generally pretty transparent; I've been open about these feelings, at least, in the thread.
My thought process is generally pretty transparent; I've been open about these feelings, at least, in the thread.
It's amazing how grounded in the votes you are. Yeah, you started the train today with the logic of "it was supposed to happen yesterday, continue." I'm talking about sheeping of logic, not necessarily who was fastest with the highlight tags.
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Anyway, I'm going to bed, I'll be awake before day end (by more than normal because the rest of you losers had to do daylight savings time). I'm talking to a brick wall at this point but "information" is not why you lynch. Take a step back and consider why you've pigeon holed yourself into thinking you have to vote for me and how a scum Sorian makes any sense with how the votes have gone so far. There is clearly town amongst the people tunneled on me and you need to take a long hard look on how you arrived there and who guided you to that choice because you are either figuring it out before the deadline today or, if not, you'll have to do it after I flip. At the end of the day, I'm not really going to fight that hard because I have nothing to lose here but I am going to keep frustratingly throw my reads out there until more people get it because as it stands now, we are dancing in a circle because a lot don't want to bother thinking until they see me dead.
karkador
Board Game King
Did you consider me on Day 2?
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
That's frustrating to read lol.
Vote count last I checked. Pretend those with two numbers have strikes, can't be assed to fix formatting
Sorian
flatearthpandas 1172
karkador 1174
Dusk Soldier 1251
Terrabyte20xx 1305
nin1000
hey_monkey 1327
cabot 1337
flatearthpandas
Dr. Worm 1174 1174
Sorian 1193 1197
Sorian 1199
No. I never considered using it on you at all. Sorian/Blarg/wait were my thoughts.
Why do you think I would have considered using it on you or anyone else I did not mention?
karkador
Board Game King
not nin?
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
I actually have answered that first question:
As for top town, it would have to be Monkey and Kark. I don't see this game having a scum override(at least, I wouldn't balance it that way) and while Kark does have tendencies to play hard and fast as scum, I don't see that... Lack of conviction that is normally present? He just seems TOO into his idea for it to be a scum ploy.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
Blarg and kyan were town, so if monkey and Sorian are town then the nin vote was pure
monkey was on Crimson earlier, while Sorian just went to him for self-pres. cabot was on Crimson before he went to Sorian. fep and Faddy stuck with Crimson.
if monkey isn't scum I don't know who's scumming with Sorian other than I guess Faddy who's trying to defend him.
trusting fep more than Kark here
monkey was on Crimson earlier, while Sorian just went to him for self-pres. cabot was on Crimson before he went to Sorian. fep and Faddy stuck with Crimson.
if monkey isn't scum I don't know who's scumming with Sorian other than I guess Faddy who's trying to defend him.
trusting fep more than Kark here
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
At risk of sheeping, why didn't you consider your own lynch target for override?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Is this the fabled part 2 from Quarantine Mafia?
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
I'm lying but I'm ready
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
Actually, falling asleep any second but will be back for day end
karkador
Board Game King
The vote I'm referring to.
Very easy to make, very unsubstantiated. Lined up for the kill. Boom.
Very easy to make, very unsubstantiated. Lined up for the kill. Boom.
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
That... Is simultaneously the dumbest thing I ever heard and yet somehow makes a lot of sense in a twisted sort of way.
Not quite sure I buy into it yet though.
Not quite sure I buy into it yet though.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Sorry had a busy day. Had to pick up new phone then go to school and now I have to get the phone activated and eat dinner.
Nomad Sparkster
This is some wild shit maynard
vote: El Topo
highly suspect bussing of blargh
highly suspect bussing of blargh
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
So your scum team is Sorian, heymonkey and El Topo?
You are off the rails with your conspiracy shit, man. I mean you are just making stuff up with no basis whatsoever, raw conjecture to confirm what you think you know.
nin was never going to be my final vote yesterday. I didn't even use final-vote language. I don't even know if he's my final vote today. Once I decided to override, what reason did I have to change my vote? Why would I bother? I was in the car coming back from the symposium. Voting is hard enough on mobile without shifting votes and trying to pull off a command in twilight.
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
Why vote nin at all i wonder? If planning to override. 4 minutes before deadline
cabot
Why.
No you didn't. I was asking specifically what was it about sorian outside of his obsession with Kawl.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
This makes sense. You posted your nin vote to see what would happen. i.e. would scum jump out to save a scum Sorian, that didn't happen. The only vote playing about was Blarg, who is confirmed town, which means we can read that scum were happy with the direction the vote was going.
So if we flip nin and he is scum we can be pretty sure the other scum votes were on Sorian. If nin is town it narrows down our search for scum on the CCS train.
Look, I gotta go teach. But let's take a second to look at this:
me: override, whoops, hit town. Looks like a saving move for Sorian. Sure, can see that.
Kark: tunnels from day one, focuses on mechanics, reads into flavor, tries to see overall game structure, tries to cut off other lines of inquiry, determined to see scum override regardless of whether that makes sense in game, makes up wild mechanics, does not look at anything outside of tunnel.
I get where you see I could be scummy. I can follow that logic chain. But dude, it's like you pulled down the scum playbook and are self-challenging to see how many tells you can drop at once.
me: override, whoops, hit town. Looks like a saving move for Sorian. Sure, can see that.
Kark: tunnels from day one, focuses on mechanics, reads into flavor, tries to see overall game structure, tries to cut off other lines of inquiry, determined to see scum override regardless of whether that makes sense in game, makes up wild mechanics, does not look at anything outside of tunnel.
I get where you see I could be scummy. I can follow that logic chain. But dude, it's like you pulled down the scum playbook and are self-challenging to see how many tells you can drop at once.