Spectator Thread Switzerland

[Faddy]

Kawl kills a player for no reason then actively says he has no initerest in playing the game.
"Hey everyone! Lets gang up on the guy whose actually given a shit, because fuck him right!"

Engagement with the game is not alignment indicative.

People need to remember that.

I do sympathise Stan because this is a tough game for you with all the Risk elements being more time sensitive than a usual game. But that has been a typical thing in games with one offf events and mini-games. And think how much you enjoyed those type of games in the past.

@Stantastic While it's not even close to having the day end in the middle of the god damn night, it always ends while I'm at usually busy at work so I feel you. Town fucking around all day before throwing a hail mary at the last hour when you aren't able to play always sucks, but I don't really know what the solution is for it.

Yeah it is a tough break. Town did the thing where they were clueless and Tearable stepped up to lead and everyone followed. Sometimes the smart town play is to listen and be a sheep. It sucks to be got like that when you seemingly did nothing wrong. But that is the game.

 

[Stantastic]

Welcome to Risk Mafia where attacking people out in the open for bad reasons and voting for yourself gives you +100 town cred.

Most annoying is i was gonna have a fucking field day with doing this shit.
i had the biggest fucking army in the game by a mile, it was gonna be a BLOODBATH

 

[Chuggernaut]

Yeah it is a tough break. Town did the thing where they were clueless and Tearable stepped up to lead and everyone followed. Sometimes the smart town play is to listen and be a sheep. It sucks to be got like that when you seemingly did nothing wrong. But that is the game.

Yup. It takes one town to start operating at Super Saiyan 2 levels to just fuck up a scum team

 

[Stantastic]

Yeah it is a tough break. Town did the thing where they were clueless and Tearable stepped up to lead and everyone followed. Sometimes the smart town play is to listen and be a sheep. It sucks to be got like that when you seemingly did nothing wrong. But that is the game.

yeah see the thing is, to me "the game" involves the ability to respond, make an argument, participate.
when people pull this shit like this they are actively and deliberately not letting me do that.

like its a matter of sportsmanship at that point. its bullshit. and i reserve the right to swear a lot about it.

 

[jman1954goat]

It seems like a lot of people did not have a great time this game During the review thread I am going to suggest Mafia therapy. I am not talking about an actual licensed therapist one of the things that really sets me off is having no one to talk to while nobody trust you.

This is less of a problem for Mafia but maybe town can have a designated person who's not the game runner who Players can PM and vent there problems to. And talk about things as the game is happening to help the mental state of the player.

Of course the therapist will not offer gameplay advice just be a supporting person any player can PM when things get stressful.

For gameplay integrity this " Therapist" should not be someone with spectator chat access.

Maybe you can bring it up in season review @Sawneeks

 

[Blargonaut]

yeah see the thing is, to me "the game" involves the ability to respond, make an argument, participate.
when people pull this shit like this they are actively and deliberately not letting me do that.

like its a matter of sportsmanship at that point. its bullshit. and i reserve the right to swear a lot about it.

:(

You've all the real right in the world to be pissed about being done dirty like that

Honestly if my work wasn't night-shift allowing me to sync waking hours with the majority of the people here, I too would be having the same playability problem as you Stan.

I only speak for myself when I say I don't mind being hit by pocket sand... you're asking for an honourable death; one can't truly rely on people/players to grant a fighting chance like that unless our game-hosts enforce some kind of honour system for us though...

If not / until then... shikata ga nai laissez-faire...

 

[Blargonaut]

[...] During the review thread I am going to suggest Mafia therapy. [...]

We do already have [Mafia] mentorships on request; perhaps this could be folded into those if they aren't already? :o

 

[lokiduck]

Sorry that happened to you Stan :<

 

[Stantastic]

:(

You've all the real right in the world to be pissed about being done dirty like that

Honestly if my work wasn't night-shift allowing me to sync waking hours with the majority of the people here, I too would be having the same playability problem as you Stan.

I only speak for myself when I say I don't mind being hit by pocket sand... you're asking for an honourable death; one can't truly rely on people/players to grant a fighting chance like that unless our game-hosts enforce some kind of honour system for us though...

If not / until then... shikata ga nai laissez-faire...

yeah exactly, like there were some valid reasons for that lunch, its just they all could have been brought up when i was around and able to argue them.
I might not have succeeded, but i think i would have been able to put up a damn good fight about it and it would have been a lot of fun.

 

[jman1954goat]

yeah exactly, like there were some valid reasons for that lunch, its just they all could have been brought up when i was around and able to argue them.
I might not have succeeded, but i think i would have been able to put up a damn good fight about it and it would have been a lot of fun.

While I understand your frustration what else is town supposed to do in that situation?

They did not realize you were scum until late in the day are they supposed to pardon you and lynch an innocent town because your not there?

Your a part of a team and it's your teammates job to defend you in that situation town did nothing wrong.

 

[jman1954goat]

@Stantastic you can take it as a compliment that you played well enough to avoid detection by most players for 4 full days people would have targeted you sooner if you played worse but you played so well you avoided suspicion until the very last moment.

 

[Stantastic]

While I understand your frustration what else is town supposed to do in that situation?

They did not realize you were scum until late in the day are they supposed to pardon you and lynch an innocent town because your not there?

Your a part of a team and it's your teammates job to defend you in that situation town did nothing wrong.

i mean they didnt know i was scum, the arguments were hardly airtight, and they decided to lunch me without an opportunity to refute it. and again they had 3 days to address any of this, and plenty of other targets they were already gunning for, like theres a reason i brought up Kawl earlier, why not lunch one of them, one who was there, or better yet one who had actively chosen not to defend themselves.

Like i said this is a matter of sportsmanship, its just a shitty way to play the game regardless of alignment.

@Stantastic you can take it as a compliment that you played well enough to avoid detection by most players for 4 full days people would have targeted you sooner if you played worse but you played so well you avoided suspicion until the very last moment.

this would be nice if i wasnt left feeling like i could have won if they didnt do all this.
Like yeah i did play well, to bad i wasn't allowed to make use of that when it bloody mattered.

 

[Stantastic]

Im well aware this isnt exactly fair of me, im going to be upset anyway.

 

[Geno]

Yeah it was kinda bullshit Stan, if you were town I'd say they fucked you up for no reason. But since you were scum I'll give them a bit of credit for realizing it, even if it was at day end.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

@Stantastic I don't know if it means much coming from a noob, but as a spectator I found your gameplay and posts to be very enjoyable.

 

[jman1954goat]

Yeah it was kinda bullshit Stan, if you were town I'd say they fucked you up for no reason. But since you were scum I'll give them a bit of credit for realizing it, even if it was at day end.

Even if Stan was town I don't see how any of the plays fall into bad sportsmanship.

Flipping votes last second is a valid strategy because it gives scum less time to react and can lead to leads in vote behavior it's a strategy often used when all scum are present.

Plus town was not trying to screw Stan for no reason they were following there heart about who they believed scum was. Even if they were wrong like with malus it's valid play.

Time zones suck but restricting plays town can make would be as unfair to town as getting voted out without defense was to Stan.

 

[Stantastic]

Even if Stan was town I don't see how any of the plays fall into bad sportsmanship.

Flipping votes last second is a valid strategy because it gives scum less time to react and can lead to leads in vote behavior it's a strategy often used when all scum are present.

Plus town was not trying to screw Stan for no reason they were following there heart about who they believed scum was. Even if they were wrong like with malus it's valid play.

Time zones suck but restricting plays town can make would be as unfair to town as getting voted out without defense was to Stan.

its an unfair disadvantage i already have to endure and they exploited it further knowing full well what they were doing.
Understanding that real life is a complication everyone has to deal with and not using it against them is whats expected. Hell we even have rules to that effect.
Like yeah its effective, that doesn't make it not shitty, and after the amount of times its happened, usually when i am town and it *is* a fucking stupid idea, i expect better from everyone here since its a very small sacrifice to avoid making the game unfair and unpleasant for whoever gets the unlucky draw.

 

[Stantastic]

Probably a big part of it is that your missing the sizable history of this happening to me, people just happening to start their push for me after iv announced i wont be around for the rest of the day.
Iv pretty much just started assuming that anyone doing it is doing it deliberately at this point, because im just a petty bitch sometimes.

 

[Stantastic]

That was some bullshit. No wonder Stan is as jaded as he is.
Stan if you read this: I'm sorry for every time I voted you while you weren't there.

pfffffffffffffffffffff
Just thought id read through and im immediately greeted by this.
Classic.

 

[Yuta]

Stan, people didn't lynch you because you happened to be afk. They lynched you because you were scummy as fuck.

Yes, it's unfortunate you couldn't react, but how do you imagine it to go? Hey I've reread the thread, he's probably scum, let's wait till tomorrow to follow that lead?

 

[Stantastic]

Stan is in way too good a mood to be Town.

God i really do have this rep dont i?

Stan, people didn't lynch you because you happened to be afk. They lynched you because you were scummy as fuck.

Yes, it's unfortunate you couldn't react, but how do you imagine it to go? Hey I've reread the thread, he's probably scum, let's wait till tomorrow to follow that lead?

hey thanks for not hearing literally any of my issue with the , great contribution.
They had several other target, they had or could argue with them, instead they waited and went for me.

Like how long have half the people that deserved to be lunched stayed alive for multiple days this game? but i get 4 fucking hours from re-read to death? fuck that noise.

 

[Yuta]

That being said, I mean not offense. Timezones are a bitch and I feel you in that regard.

Just don't take it as a personal attack when people play the game normally - ping people, debate, vote & lunch.

 

[Stantastic]

Oh and reading this thread reminds me,
Geno even despite that annoyance I actually really enjoyed this game, thanks a ton for running it.

i mentioned i was close to subbing out round D2 but im very glad i didnt, this was a deeply enjoyable cacophony to ride out and im very excited to see where things go from here now that the momentum seems to be shifting.

 

[Yuta]

No one sat around and thought "oh, Stan's asleep, let's focus on him now"... You know the game, you know that we are an EoD heavy community, you know that lunches fluctuate and sometimes the smallest things snowball into the lunch within minutes.
This isn't a personal vendetta directed against you from every living player.

TP gave it his all this day phase looked at nearly everyone and just came around late in the day to be confident in his read of you. Calling this bullshit is disrespectful in regards to his effort.

 

[Geno]

Oh and reading this thread reminds me,
Geno even despite that annoyance I actually really enjoyed this game, thanks a ton for running it.

i mentioned i was close to subbing out round D2 but im very glad i didnt, this was a deeply enjoyable cacophony to ride out and im very excited to see where things go from here now that the momentum seems to be shifting.

I was very much looking forward to you taking over Africa D5, it's unfortunate we didn't get to see that. Everyone basically had 1 battalion in every territory

 

[Stantastic]

No one sat around and thought "oh, Stan's asleep, let's focus on him now"... You know the game, you know that we are an EoD heavy community, you know that lunches fluctuate and sometimes the smallest things snowball into the lunch within minutes.
This isn't a personal vendetta directed against you from every living player.

TP gave it his all this day phase looked at nearly everyone and just came around late in the day to be confident in his read of you. Calling this bullshit is disrespectful in regards to his effort.

Im well aware this isnt exactly fair of me, im going to be upset anyway.

Im aware, im still going to be mad, eat me.

Hell TP doing the actual work there is about the one reason im not just going to quit playing right about now.

 

[Stantastic]

And hey i would have stopped talking about this a while ago if yall didnt feel the need to "well actually" me.

 

[malus]

While flipping votes late in the day has certainly its merits, I feel it shouldn't be the strategy all the time. It can very easily just muddle the waters for later vote analysis, since Town can't really coordinate that well. At the start of the game this may be more useful, because there isn't much data available and you want to use the data of the current day as well. But once things have established themselves I think pushing for your Scum reads shouldn't wait until EoD, which is also why I really appreciate players that push for votes early in the day, so it is known who is in contention.

 

[lokiduck]

I was very much looking forward to you taking over Africa D5, it's unfortunate we didn't get to see that. Everyone basically had 1 battalion in every territory

100% agree here. It would have been glorious to see Stan storm across the map as he finally got his moment to shine after being stuck in south Africa all game. LOL

Oh what a world it could have been :<

While flipping votes late in the day has certainly its merits, I feel it shouldn't be the strategy all the time. It can very easily just muddle the waters for later vote analysis, since Town can't really coordinate that well. At the start of the game this may be more useful, because there isn't much data available and you want to use the data of the current day as well. But once things have established themselves I think pushing for your Scum reads shouldn't wait until EoD, which is also why I really appreciate players that push for votes early in the day, so it is known who is in contention.

I agree, especially because most of the time, the last minute vote flipping I have seen has happened with people suddenly flipping to town most of the time. Scum can be gotten this way, and you can even sometimes based on how they react if the one being flipped to is scum, but it's not something you should do all the time, especially if it's to a player who can't even role claim or defend themselves like Stan in this case.

My first ever game with Steven Universe, we voted out wee after she had left for the day and ever since then I've been a lot more cautious about voting people out like that especially right after they left.

 

[jman1954goat]

@Stantastic I just feel your taking credit away from towns very real accomplishment
Like town finally got something right but instead of finally feeling pride about something in a very stressful game where most players are upset they will be greated with no you are a shifty sportsman who used unethical strategy to kill the scum your accomplishment doesn't count.

Just let town have this they victory they beat you Stan period they did not magically pick you randomly at the end of the day it's based on your actions in the thread the first 4 days.

How i is your death any worse than people who you night killed this game did they get a chance? I honestly feel worse for chuggs who died night 1 than for you.

I don't blame mafia for night kills its what they have to do there just playing the game but you can't blame town for playing the game with valid tactics that are in the rules when all they are trying to do is catch mafia it sucks that people have to die along the way in less than ideal circumstances. But every one is gonna take deaths they don't like this is not unique to people with bad time zones.

 

[jman1954goat]

While flipping votes late in the day has certainly its merits, I feel it shouldn't be the strategy all the time. It can very easily just muddle the waters for later vote analysis, since Town can't really coordinate that well. At the start of the game this may be more useful, because there isn't much data available and you want to use the data of the current day as well. But once things have established themselves I think pushing for your Scum reads shouldn't wait until EoD, which is also why I really appreciate players that push for votes early in the day, so it is known who is in contention.

I agree, especially because most of the time, the last minute vote flipping I have seen has happened with people suddenly flipping to town most of the time. Scum can be gotten this way, and you can even sometimes based on how they react if the one being flipped to is scum, but it's not something you should do all the time, especially if it's to a player who can't even role claim or defend themselves like Stan in this case.

My first ever game with Steven Universe, we voted out wee after she had left for the day and ever since then I've been a lot more cautious about voting people out like that especially right after they left.

I agree that it's very risky strategy for town that can have negative effects and help scum. I am not saying it should be towns go to strategy .

I take no issue with anyone saying this is bad strategy and Town should try better tactics.

It's still a valid way to play the game and not "Bad sportsmanship" like Stan said in an early post that phrase is what I Wholeheartedly disagree with.

 

[jman1954goat]

Stan I am just trying to have a discussion but if you don't want to talk about it anymore I will drop it.

I understand Stan is just upset and not doing it intentionally but I feel like he invalidating Towns potential win by saying they were unsportsmanlike in their path to victory

@Stantastic If players really only targeted you after you were sleep as an intentional plan yes that's wrong of them and you can argue there sportsmanship

But I was there that's not what happened people did not shift to you because you were sleep they did not think you were scum until detective puns cracked the case wide open with a lot of work grabbing data on not just you but multiple players.

You were not singled out in an attack The cards just fell that way this time.

What I'm trying to say is town had no choice but to attack you late because they honestly did not think you were scum until late in the day. At that point they can't handcuff themselves and say I think that person is scum but I can't vote there since that person's absent

(not your fault at all you are sleep it sucks I agree but it's the games fault not the players.)

 

[Yuta]

So Reki should be the next lunch/kill.
Wee is moving up in priority, I'd maybe lunch her over Reki even.
Kawl basically gave up, could be brazen scum that panicked.

Stan left little vote data, mostly Jman. TP, Launch.. mhm.

As was brought up D2 is interesting, no flipped scum on Fanto yet. So between TP, Kopite, Kalor, Kawl, Hawthorn. Kawl or Hawthorn or both? If Hawthorn/Wee are scum, than probably w/w I'd say. Wee could've tried to shift the narrative of EoD 2 there to get Hawthorn townread. That's what probably happened, mostly townies on him there too.

Based on the comments in here:
nin is probably neutral / not-scum
Kalor's green check is more trustable than Vere's, but I'd still look there way way later.
I know where to sort Salva.

Zipped, TP is town. Kopite too, Kalor, Vere.
nin, Salva, LP
Fran (who knows?)
Launch, Terra, Kawl
Wee, Reki, Hawthorn

 

[Stantastic]

Oh my god Jman how are you still on this, im over it and im the one that was killed.

I didnt say a bloody thing about towns accomplishment, i talked about the players in the game lunching me when i wasnt there, its fucking infuriating and im angry about it.
Thats it, thats the end of the discussion.

 

[jman1954goat]

And hey i would have stopped talking about this a while ago if yall didnt feel the need to "well actually" me.

I am enjoying the debate/conversation I need something to do while dead. But if your not enjoying this talk I will drop it.

Also I like playing with you and I hope you keep playing games with us.

Also I will try to attack you when awake from now on and try to put my vote on you when it's good for your time zone I just don't think it's a thing you can realistically expect from the whole town

 

[jman1954goat]

Oh my god Jman how are you still on this, im over it and im the one that was killed.

I didnt say a bloody thing about towns accomplishment, i talked about the players in the game lunching me when i wasnt there, its fucking infuriating and im angry about it.
Thats it, thats the end of the discussion.

sorry I will drop it my goal was not to make you upset I just wanted to debate the ethics/validity of the moves

This was meant as a friendly debate I am sorry.

 

[jman1954goat]

So Reki should be the next lunch/kill.
Wee is moving up in priority, I'd maybe lunch her over Reki even.
Kawl basically gave up, could be brazen scum that panicked.

Stan left little vote data, mostly Jman. TP, Launch.. mhm.

As was brought up D2 is interesting, no flipped scum on Fanto yet. So between TP, Kopite, Kalor, Kawl, Hawthorn. Kawl or Hawthorn or both? If Hawthorn/Wee are scum, than probably w/w I'd say. Wee could've tried to shift the narrative of EoD 2 there to get Hawthorn townread. That's what probably happened, mostly townies on him there too.

Based on the comments in here:
nin is probably neutral / not-scum
Kalor's green check is more trustable than Vere's, but I'd still look there way way later.
I know where to sort Salva.

Zipped, TP is town. Kopite too, Kalor, Vere.
nin, Salva, LP
Fran (who knows?)
Launch, Terra, Kawl
Wee, Reki, Hawthorn

when will I get a chance to play with you Gorlak?

 

[Stantastic]

sorry I will drop it my goal was not to make you upset I just wanted to debate the ethics/validity of the moves

This was meant as a friendly debate I am sorry.

its fine, but this was all just me being mad and venting it.
Like theres a reason i avoided calling anyone or any specific posts out.

 

[Geno]

I think the only time I played with Gorlak was in Marvel

 

[Natiko]

@Gorlak @jman1954goat

It’s all well and good to look at what happened and pat town on the back, but we’ve seen this exact situation unfold time and time and time again where town is aimless, then at the last second everyone just says fuck it and picks a random player. It very often does not work out. Look at the Malus vote D1. It’s lazy play to not really engage on a case for why someone is scum and to instead just have someone offer someone up at the last second and everyone follows along because they’re too lazy to bother making an actual argument themselves. Sure, they got scum Stan this time. Congrats. I would bet all the money in the world if you went and analyzed every late vote shift in this community a majority of the time it lands on town because it’s piss poor play, straight up. It’s why our community has so many games that are aimless and end with us talking about how little effort people put in. We do good in the Mafia Universe Championships because we keep sending one of a handful of people that actually do the leg work, but boy would it be funny if we sent a random selection every year so people could experience just how far the average playstyle here gets them. Spoiler alert, it wouldn’t get far.

 

[Stuart444]

Friendly reminder, one of the previous spec threads had Stan making a lot of posts... about D&D which had nothing really to do with the game iirc

<.<

Now that was a fun spec thread LOL

 

[Geno]

Legit would fail round 1 on Mafia Universe championship.

 

[Stantastic]

Friendly reminder, one of the previous spec threads had Stan making a lot of posts... about D&D which had nothing really to do with the game iirc

<.<

Now that was a fun spec thread LOL

fun fact we had a discord D&D session just today shortly after i woke to see all this mess, and it also really helped me to get over it.
Apparently D&D is all i need to deal with Mafia induced rages.

 

[Hedin]

Look at the Malus vote D1. It’s lazy play to not really engage on a case for why someone is scum and to instead just have someone offer someone up at the last second and everyone follows along because they’re too lazy to bother making an actual argument themselves.

Hey! The malus vote was pure logic. Yep, absolutely 100% pure logic, no fault to be found there.

I do put D1 votes in a different category because there is usually very little happening unless you get a scum slip (and then enough people notice it). Beyond that, however, I do agree that the town tends to be a bit passive waiting for a slip or some town PR to make a claim. I don't know if people just have trouble keeping up with posts or afraid of being turned on by putting out their own reads if they go bad or what it is.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Note to self: all it takes for Stan to get over it is to let him light the neutrals on fire

 

[Geno]

Ok, I'll give you the scum team in spoiler

Spoiler

Hawthorn, Terra, Launch, Nin is the last neutral

 

[Stantastic]

Note to self: all it takes for Stan to get over it is to let him light the neutrals on fire

...yeah that did happen didnt it, like just them and noone else, lol.

 

[Hedin]

Interesting. I see what Nat was saying about starting positions now.

 

[jman1954goat]

Note to self: all it takes for Stan to get over it is to let him light the neutrals on fire

Night 1 I was very close to switching you with Fran by the way. Wonder how the game would have turned out.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Ok, I'll give you the scum team in spoiler

Spoiler

Hawthorn, Terra, Launch, Nin is the last neutral

Spoiler

Okay you know what. Launch dies first from here on out.

 

[Natiko]

Legit would fail round 1 on Mafia Universe championship.

I would too! And have as a sub for that matter. It’s okay if we’re not all top tier players, but that doesn’t mean as a community we shouldn’t point out our shortcomings.

 

[Hedin]

Spoiler

Okay you know what. Launch dies first from here on out.

Spoiler

I mean I did vote for him in my 2nd post of the game. I still wonder if he would have been lunched if malus didn't go on his attack spree

 

[jman1954goat]

Spoiler

Okay you know what. Launch dies first from here on out.

Spoiler: Original day 2 swap plan

man if Kopite did not reveal himself doctor I would not start trusting launch. If I don't start trusting launch my original plan when I asked launch to place a trap was I was gonna swap myself with him steal his trap for myself and never say anything completely setting him up to get lynched

 

[jman1954goat]

@Gorlak @jman1954goat

It’s all well and good to look at what happened and pat town on the back, but we’ve seen this exact situation unfold time and time and time again where town is aimless, then at the last second everyone just says fuck it and picks a random player. It very often does not work out. Look at the Malus vote D1. It’s lazy play to not really engage on a case for why someone is scum and to instead just have someone offer someone up at the last second and everyone follows along because they’re too lazy to bother making an actual argument themselves. Sure, they got scum Stan this time. Congrats. I would bet all the money in the world if you went and analyzed every late vote shift in this community a majority of the time it lands on town because it’s piss poor play, straight up. It’s why our community has so many games that are aimless and end with us talking about how little effort people put in. We do good in the Mafia Universe Championships because we keep sending one of a handful of people that actually do the leg work, but boy would it be funny if we sent a random selection every year so people could experience just how far the average playstyle here gets them. Spoiler alert, it wouldn’t get far.

Look how depressed and upset everyone is They need all the pat's they can get right now for their mental health alone.

 

[Uzzy]

Ok, I'll give you the scum team in spoiler

Spoiler

Hawthorn, Terra, Launch, Nin is the last neutral

Spoiler

I KNEW IT

 

[malus]

Spoiler

I mean I did vote for him in my 2nd post of the game. I still wonder if he would have been lunched if malus didn't go on his attack spree

Spoiler

I don't think he would have been lunched. I only started the attack because nobody was even talking about voting anymore and some people had indicated that they would rather keep launch than me. Tbh I think people were just waiting to snipe the territory at that point.

 

[jman1954goat]

Spoiler

I don't think he would have been lunched. I only started the attack because nobody was even talking about voting anymore and some people had indicated that they would rather keep launch than me. Tbh I think people were just waiting to snipe the territory at that point.

By the way malus I never planned on keeping my vote on you I was looking for reactions. I was about to swap my vote when you attacked someone (I did not even think the attack made you scum.) I didn't want to look more suspect to the rest of town that point so I just let things play out.

I know this is cowardly play by me.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Yeah, honestly I was right about to switch off too and then you started attacking and I was all “Ladies and gentleman, we got him.”

 

[Fanto]

Note to self: all it takes for Stan to get over it is to let him light the neutrals on fire

...yeah that did happen didnt it, like just them and noone else, lol.

Stan was just salty that I finally realized I could use Hold Person on a Warforged lol. :P

----

On a side note, I'll go ahead and click that spoiler with the Scum Team now, I doubt my reads will change all that much from now on.

My last call was Reki/Hawthorn/Terra.

 

[Fanto]

On a side note, I'll go ahead and click that spoiler with the Scum Team now, I doubt my reads will change all that much from now on.

My last call was Reki/Hawthorn/Terra.

Spoiler

Two out of three ain't bad, as Meat Loaf once sang.

 

[Fanto]

Spoiler

Also, fuck me, Reki is going to be upset at me for that post where I tore them apart and called them Scum in here lmao.

Sorry, Reki!

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Ok, I'll give you the scum team in spoiler

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Hawthorn, Terra, Launch, Nin is the last neutral

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AHH! I feel like such a moron for defending Launch.

 

[Geno]

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AHH! I feel like such a moron for defending Launch.

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welcome to the club, and you'll do it again for someone else, it's an endless cycle haha

 

[Yuta]

These spoilers are getting out of hand.
Looks like I should get it over with and spoil myself?

 

[malus]

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At least my "D1 pocket attempt" sensors are working well

 

[Yuta]

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Well, there's that. Not surprised to see the names, but the constellation is interesting. Tell you how it is, game's not over, town is going to have a hard time here. And I definitely didn't expect a team of just 5 in 28.

 

[Yuta]

Wow, they killed off Wee?

 

[malus]

Wee was definitely going to be a lunch candidate today, but I assume they wanted to get at least one doctor out of the way.

 

[lokiduck]

Yep that seems to be the reason based on scum chat.

Spoiler: scum reasoning

they wanted to get out one of the threats but were worried about Kopite, so they picked wee.

And now for one comment I have wanted to say all game in here post scum team reveal

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This game is basically "stop hitting yourself" the game because:
- Kenny burned his own territories
- Scum has done more attacking of scum/voting for scum than town has lol
-town has attacked town more than scum
-because of the jman switch scum targeted themself with puppetmon
-all the self targeting shots used this game LOL

 

[lokiduck]

One of my main hopes for town to figure out this day phase

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That Terra's fake claim is totally Bullshit LOL.

1. Why are there two Khan's in the game if LP is Genghis
2. why was there another protective power in town lol.

Luckily Fran already seems suspicious.

 

[Kyanrute]

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Tearable, Vere, Kalor and Zipped are cleared. Kopite should be trusted now as well. 10-1-3 without a nin-leave needs four cycles to win, if nin wins, three and a half. That's four mislynches no matter what and the realistic mislynch pool is no greater than six, five if you don't count LP. Have to dodge Kopite's heals too and hope that the gamble on Tearable having no more than three shots doesn't backfire.

Very challenging to say the least.

 

[lokiduck]

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Tearable, Vere, Kalor and Zipped are cleared. Kopite should be trusted now as well. 10-1-3 without a nin-leave needs four cycles to win, if nin wins, three and a half. That's four mislynches no matter what and the realistic mislynch pool is no greater than six, five if you don't count LP. Have to dodge Kopite's heals too and hope that the gamble on Tearable having no more than three shots doesn't backfire.

Very challenging to say the least.

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Yeah it actually seems like it could still go either way on the game at this point. While scum has def had some pitfalls, they are still in this game especially since each member is being town read by someone in town (though all three have had suspicion thrown at them.

 

[lokiduck]

Lol scum team telling each other to not buss as hard.

 

[Natiko]

I think it’s extremely, EXTREMELY unlikely scum have any chance. All calculations being made ignore that they could just be Risk wiped. Game is probably wrapped, just a matter of time. We had tools to handle some of town’s PRs but it would have required perfect targeting (blocking Jman, long range strong killing Kop, and with Kop being removed we have more ability then to deal with Tearable but no actual way to reach him at the time so that’s probably still fucked for us). Not getting those pieces removed just doomed us. Hell if Kop uses his action N1 we also end up with a watcher that gets multiple results a night still alive and yet another whiffed kill.

 

[Hedin]

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This game is basically "stop hitting yourself" the game because:
- Kenny burned his own territories
- Scum has done more attacking of scum/voting for scum than town has lol
-town has attacked town more than scum
-because of the jman switch scum targeted themself with puppetmon
-all the self targeting shots used this game LOL

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Gotta love Launch calling out his remaining team and then giving Reki a pass when I think it could be fairly easy to push Reki today.

Also, I wonder if during the next day phase the town will start connecting the dots on where all the kills are happening at.

 

[lokiduck]

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Gotta love Launch calling out his remaining team and then giving Reki a pass when I think it could be fairly easy to push Reki today.

Also, I wonder if during the next day phase the town will start connecting the dots on where all the kills are happening at.

Yep... XD

 

[Geno]

The biggest mistake was Kop targeting 5 players, that was uber doc

 

[lokiduck]

yeah :/ During review it seemed fine because there are a lot of territories and he was x shot, butdef should have lowered the amount of territories.

Good news for scum is he's out of shots now.

 

[weemadarthur]

Guess I wasn’t mafia kill protect, suck it polter! ;)

i really really wanted to say to the thread “but today the dice ARE loaded”, so screw you scum

 

[lokiduck]

:o Wow Wee really is great.

Thank you wee for liking this post. It was a little breadcrumb I did because wee was Catherine the Great x3

 

[weemadarthur]

Oh and here’s some pipping hot takes.

I’m very confident both Wee and Blarg are town. Would probably put Puns on that list too.

Agree on Wee, but I'm not so sure about Blarg. Will have to see how he plays in the coming days, but so far he's not as helpful as usual Town!Blarg, but I guess he's also not completely incomprehensible.

Would probably keep an eye on Kopite, nin and maybe Kyan.

how can you tell i’m town lol?

:o Wow Wee really is great.

SOOO many greats in the game.

FOR WEEMADARTHUR'S PERSONAL USE ONLY:

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OK well I knew that would be the reaction, lol. Day 2 got weird for me.

Getting bad vibes from Wee again. She can't work against Kopite anymore, now Vere was checked, so she goes to Fran? Either I missed it (skimmed a lot) or she's completely ignoring Stan and Reki?

Oh and she kills jman and doesn't even comment on him flipping town? That town just lost a way to protect their PRs?

no need to comment? He had to be removed to get Fran to play....and maybe some others

Wee you are another all-star reading your post is great even though I got mad at you multiple times. Still don't know your alignment but your playing amazing regardless.

I’ve been in mental breakdown mode, there’s no need to apologize. Scum was constantly riling you up though, and your presence was interfering with scum hunting at that point.

yeah see the thing is, to me "the game" involves the ability to respond, make an argument, participate.
when people pull this shit like this they are actively and deliberately not letting me do that.

like its a matter of sportsmanship at that point. its bullshit. and i reserve the right to swear a lot about it.

No one sat around and thought "oh, Stan's asleep, let's focus on him now"... You know the game, you know that we are an EoD heavy community, you know that lunches fluctuate and sometimes the smallest things snowball into the lunch within minutes.
This isn't a personal vendetta directed against you from every living player.

TP gave it his all this day phase looked at nearly everyone and just came around late in the day to be confident in his read of you. Calling this bullshit is disrespectful in regards to his effort.

I for one stan had a proper read on you and wasn’t gonna listen. TP really put in the work and I tried to step up and participate Too. Even if others were sheeping I think we had a good shot of crushing anything you could bring.

 

[Uzzy]

wee got nked? Scum are doing a better job at policing day time townie kills than town is.

 

[weemadarthur]

Dunno why it’s been hard for people geno, i for one thoroughly enjoyed the complexity of this game.

 

[Chuggernaut]

how can you tell i’m town lol?

I was in that game where scum Reki got us and I was also around pretty late game. You're paranoia around them in your read due to that felt very real because of that because that's exactly where my scum read on them was coming from also. It just felt very authentic in a way that I didn't think it would be if you were scum.

 

[Stantastic]

how can you tell i’m town lol?

SOOO many greats in the game.

OK well I knew that would be the reaction, lol. Day 2 got weird for me.

no need to comment? He had to be removed to get Fran to play....and maybe some others

I’ve been in mental breakdown mode, there’s no need to apologize. Scum was constantly riling you up though, and your presence was interfering with scum hunting at that point.


I for one stan had a proper read on you and wasn’t gonna listen. TP really put in the work and I tried to step up and participate Too. Even if others were sheeping I think we had a good shot of crushing anything you could bring.

I was about to say i deserved to go out in glory, but a dissapointing death on the eve of further conquest is probably what i get for making my avatar Alexander the Great.

 

[Geno]

Respect for choosing Alexander at least

 

[jman1954goat]

I am confused at puns going for verelios Godfathers exist but isn't vere a confirmed mason ?

I doubt you can be both.

 

[weemadarthur]

My will

 

[jman1954goat]

@weemadarthur I know you don't want an apology but you still deserve one I got mad at you because of my own insecurities as a player and I regret yelling at you.

When you said I was to desperate to survive to day 5 that desperation came from wanting my first town win extremely bad. I've played 3 town games and performed terrible each time I'm so desperate to Get a town win before season is over.

 

[Geno]

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My will

You should post it.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Man, poor Puns doing really well before getting stuck in some crazy worst case scenario theory is some textbook Puns lol.

 

[weemadarthur]

I was really hoping to bait terra into attacking me and then laughing up my sleeve, RIP my bonus

 

[weemadarthur]

Really the best-case scenario for this game would have been dinos killing everything and the map ending FULL OF GODZILLAS

 

[Geno]

Really the best-case scenario for this game would have been dinos killing everything and the map ending FULL OF GODZILLAS

I hid it from the PM but if Dinos ever reached 9 territories then Fanto would win the game even if dead.

 

[weemadarthur]

@weemadarthur I know you don't want an apology but you still deserve one I got mad at you because of my own insecurities as a player and I regret yelling at you.

When you said I was to desperate to survive to day 5 that desperation came from wanting my first town win extremely bad. I've played 3 town games and performed terrible each time I'm so desperate to Get a town win before season is over.

Fair enough, just remember, you win with your team. You ain’t gotta be alive personally to Win. XD

 

[weemadarthur]

I hid it from the PM but if Dinos ever reached 9 territories then Fanto would win the game even if dead.

I assumed that when she was able to control them. The only question would be, would the dinos evaporate in that event.

 

[Geno]

I assumed that when she was able to control them. The only question would be, would the dinos evaporate in that event.

Yeah they would lol

 

[weemadarthur]

Yeah they would lol

Bad! Bad geno!! You don’t write evaporating dinos!!

 

[Geno]

Bad! Bad geno!! You don’t write evaporating dinos!!

Then let's say they time travel back to their timeline :P

 

[weemadarthur]

Then let's say they time travel back to their timeline :P

End the mammalian oppressorship!