Spectator Thread Chilling at Neutral Holy Ground

[lokiduck]

Not certainly. I still didn’t know if i was redirectd and my marster was scum.

trueeeee

 

[weemadarthur]

Actually it screwed over day two.....that uh....I can take a hint and zipped was obviously related to sky, I’d have gone in hard on NOT killing sky. No wiat. Me talking to sky is in spec here.

....I got dumber.

 

[SkyOdin]

I am still somewhat astounded at people's ability to insist that there absolutely must be a connection between me and fateshirou on the basis that we had a brief back and forth across fifteen minutes.

 

[weemadarthur]

I am still somewhat astounded at people's ability to insist that there absolutely must be a connection between me and fateshirou on the basis that we had a brief back and forth across fifteen minutes.

No, it’s because he’s been your strongest defender.

Launch out there lying about me and night chats, smh.

 

[AllThingsPurple]

No, it’s because he’s been your strongest defender.

Launch out there lying about me and night chats, smh.

 

[lokiduck]

We forgot to notify someone about something that happened to them. Good news is they didn't do anything so I don't have to tell them in thread not to do that.

 

[lokiduck]

I am still somewhat astounded at people's ability to insist that there absolutely must be a connection between me and fateshirou on the basis that we had a brief back and forth across fifteen minutes.

I find it amazing that people think Shirou was your partner too It seems obvious to me who it is but I am the gamerunner sooo....

 

[lokiduck]

Day 2: Flips the town selfish Vouyer
Day 3: Night kill was the town tracker.

I'm a 2 shot motion detector, I targeted fran night 1 and got no result and was refunded. Natiko moved night 2.

 

[Hedin]

It's an interesting move.

 

[jman1954goat]

I really feel like I've set back Town a hundred years. This lost is gonna all be on me.

 

[lokiduck]

I really feel like I've set back Town a hundred years. This lost is gonna all be on me.

Don't say that. It def didn't help, but a lot of this was a bunch of stuff coming together, just like it was in Nier Mafia.

 

[AllThingsPurple]

Sometimes being spec is just to frustrating..

 

[lokiduck]

Sometimes being spec is just to frustrating..

How so? :D

 

[AllThingsPurple]

How so? :D

Because you see peeps scumming it up and you just desperately want to call them out on it :p

 

[lokiduck]

Because you see peeps scumming it up and you just desperately want to call them out on it :p

Yeahhhhhhh or like I'm waiting for people to point out town having two movement based roles already

 

[lokiduck]

So I guess I’m gonna be the one to say it. A tracker and a motion detector for town in an 18 person game? Game design and balance can be fickle so it’s not impossible, but it is a bit unusual.

Okay this is almost pretty close but what about the vouyer ;w;

 

[weemadarthur]

Okay this is almost pretty close but what about the vouyer ;w;

Not like he can select a target, it’s too insular.

 

[lokiduck]

Not like he can select a target, it’s too insular.

It's still an information role and even more powerful in that it learns what powers might be in the game if his target gets targeted.

I mean would you really see me putting in three roles that give info on movement in town???

 

[weemadarthur]

It's still an information role and even more powerful in that it learns what powers might be in the game if his target gets targeted.

I mean would you really see me putting in three roles that give info on movement in town???

Oh i’m not kidding about “wee promises not to write games”, it’s not just a meme. I have no idea how t write or balance games.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

If I knew I was going to die N1 I would've blocked Sorian.

 

[SkyOdin]

From these reactions, I take it SalvaPot is making shit up right now?

 

[AllThingsPurple]

From these reactions, I take it SalvaPot is making shit up right now?

Launch and Salva are scum. Maol too probably.

 

[lokiduck]

Weekends man XD I left for a few hours to play Stardew with friends and barely even a page has happened :I

 

[Hedin]

There needs to be a logic to a fake claim.

One would think. One would also normally be wrong thinking that.

 

[malus]

Salva will soon reach earths outer mantle with how deep he's dug himself with that claim.

 

[Hedin]

This day is confusing me.

 

[turmoil7]

next time claim game watcher

 

[turmoil7]

someone good at jokes think of something to make a card for Salva's flip

 

[Verelios]

From the outside looking in, this day is wild.

 

[malus]

From the outside looking in, this day is wild.

I'm gonna say, Salva is actually Town and Launch is hard defending him as Scum.

 

[SkyOdin]

I feel like there is definitely scum in there somewhere. Like I said on Day 2, Launch is operating with some massive blindspots right now, and I am back and forth on whether or not they are willful or not.

I do kinda think my vote on SalvaPot is where someone decided to go all in on lynching me, at the very least.

 

[lokiduck]

I'm gonna say, Salva is actually Town and Launch is hard defending him as Scum.

Lol watch it be a gambit where Salva was trying to see how hard Launch would defend him because he was suspicious of him XD

 

[lokiduck]

-Began with lavor discussion that made me realize for the first time that FateShirou's name is a reference to the games this game is based on XD

FateShirou's avatar is also Fate Related Thorny. It's Shirou.

 

[Verelios]

I'm gonna say, Salva is actually Town and Launch is hard defending him as Scum.

The mind wants what the mind wants.

 

[Hedin]

Is Ephi a clone of Reki?

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

someone good at jokes think of something to make a card for Salva's flip

 

[weemadarthur]

Is Ephi a clone of Reki?

Once she has her thoughts together,.....yeah pretty much.

 

[SkyOdin]

I'm impressed by Ephidel's play. I'm not surprised that someone mistook her for a veteran player while other people mistook me for a newbie. She has really been paying attention to recent games.

 

[SkyOdin]

Also, is it me, or is Shirou intentionally playing up the possibility that he was my partner? Interesting play there, but I don't know if he's scum or town, so I have no idea what his motivation is. Self-preservation, maybe?

 

[weemadarthur]

Salva is 404? Like, website not found 404??

 

[Alexem]

It really baffles me sometimes how there can be so much dancing around with the votes in a situation like this. "Salva's looking dodgy as all hell after those claims, but you know what? Let's boot Edgey instead! Anyone? No? Alright, let's boot Natiko instead!"

 

[turmoil7]

Salva is 404? Like, website not found 404??

Yeah it's just a perfect fit

It really baffles me sometimes how there can be so much dancing around with the votes in a situation like this. "Salva's looking dodgy as all hell after those claims, but you know what? Let's boot Edgey instead! Anyone? No? Alright, let's boot Natiko instead!"

Well, it's boring if nothing happens in the last hours of the day

 

[lokiduck]

Wow that was a long con by Launchpad.

 

[turmoil7]

hammer I think?

 

[lokiduck]

hammer I think?

lol I was about to go do something when suddenly my brain was like Wait 5+2=7

 

[heymonkey]

I mean that's a fine flip but please get Natiko on principle, in every game forever. Get Natiko. That's what my title really means. NATIKO MUST DIE.

 

[SalvaPot]

Lol I really botched that didn't I.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Still the only person to unceremoniously die with their master.

Not salty.

 

[heymonkey]

Still the only person to unceremoniously die with their master.

Not salty.

But you did make a really good card, so there's that.

 

[SalvaPot]

I dug myself in my personal chat and from there I just decided to double down and dig deeper to see if i could be SO scummy I was actually AND IT ALMOST WORKED.

I feel so bad for Launch at every step of the way.

And sorry Loki I was really busy with work (Last week was Funko Fair so I had to run preorders) and I actually did follow the game but i tried to coast and the lack of paying attention bite me in the ass.

Also dammit I should have gueesed that the servant doesn't go with the master if they are different alignment, I laughed out loud, well played.

I feel my team is in a good position to win this.

 

[weemadarthur]

Hmmm were you paired with maolfunction?

 

[Hedin]

Yeah I thought you were in good shape so I didn't know why you were going with the fake claim. I supposed that maybe you thought it might take a decent servant role out but still was iffy on that.

 

[SkyOdin]

Okay, let me take a wild game mechanic guess here. Servants dissipate at the end of Night phase, rather than immediately, don't they? Is there someone out there who can interact with unpaired Servants during Night phase?

 

[SalvaPot]

Yeah I thought you were in good shape so I didn't know why you were going with the fake claim. I supposed that maybe you thought it might take a decent servant role out but still was iffy on that.

I was going to keep getting heat from fran so I kinda decided to claim to get him off my back, realized I couldn't claim cop and misremembered how motion detector worked, it really is that simple.

Once i botched that I just doubled down and hopes town would either take me down to end my suffering and take my servant with me, or somehow decido to save me for later.

 

[Fanto]

I haven't been keeping up with the thread unfortunately, but I see Salva got got?

I still think Scum has this one in the bag, tbh.

 

[lokiduck]

I dug myself in my personal chat and from there I just decided to double down and dig deeper to see if i could be SO scummy I was actually AND IT ALMOST WORKED.

I feel so bad for Launch at every step of the way.

And sorry Loki I was really busy with work (Last week was Funko Fair so I had to run preorders) and I actually did follow the game but i tried to coast and the lack of paying attention bite me in the ass.

Also dammit I should have gueesed that the servant doesn't go with the master if they are different alignment, I laughed out loud, well played.

I feel my team is in a good position to win this.

It's okay you tried your best and that's what counts. :D I do agree with you that your team is in a good position. I'm just happy that at least one scum died in one of my games >>;

Was worried we were going to have a second Nier Mafia (we are but LOL)

 

[lokiduck]

Also I'm sad to announce that scum has missed out on their chance of getting one of the scum win endings

Spoiler

I made several endings for the scum team based on who in the team is alive at the end if they win.

Spoiler

The ending they lost access to is ending C

 

[SkyOdin]

I'm going to have to read through the scum chat when this game is over. These snippets make it sound fun.

 

[lokiduck]

I'm going to have to read through the scum chat when this game is over. These snippets make it sound fun.

I def recommend all the chats LOL.

They've been fun. Especially one tonight because the master and servant are suspicious of each other now.

 

[lokiduck]

Also gotta say that gambit by Launch is one of the best moves this game. I'm super proud of him and will cherish it forever <3

 

[turmoil7]

what's the concert about?

 

[Verelios]

Also gotta say that gambit by Launch is one of the best moves this game. I'm super proud of him and will cherish it forever <3

That gambit flipped the whole day on its head. What a turnabout from Launch, truly spectacular.

@SalvaPot, you had me in the first half, I'm not gonna lie. But your death is probably going to make scum go beast mode.

 

[Verelios]

what's the concert about?

What else is a concert for <3

 

[lokiduck]

what's the concert about?

Something everyone is going to enjoy and feel the consequences of ;)

 

[Conditional-Pancakes]

Also I'm sad to announce that scum has missed out on their chance of getting one of the scum win endings

Spoiler

I made several endings for the scum team based on who in the team is alive at the end if they win.

Spoiler

The ending they lost access to is ending C

This is amazing!

 

[lokiduck]

This is amazing!

Thanks :D I love proving that sometimes the flavor is important.

I'll post all the potential scum endings at the end of the game lol

 

[Hawthorn]

Hello all. I don't think I've ever been night killed before, another mafia first!! Very fun game. Very curious to see how things develop with my partner. I could never completely get a read on them but if I had to guess

Spoiler

I would guess that they're neutral, despite the many many times they told me they're not neutral.

Also, I thought it was completely obvious who Salva's partner was, so much so that I had a conspiracy theory in my night chat about that not being the case, but the discussion doesn't seem to be going the way I'd thought it would.

 

[SkyOdin]

Welcome to out chat, Hawthorne. You did good out there.

I'm still not really 100% sure about my own partner's alignment. I kinda figured they had non-zero odds of being a hidden partner or recruit target for scum.

 

[heymonkey]

Sorry, Thorny, you've proven yourself, so now you'll either die early or live forever and be suspected. This is the way.

 

[lokiduck]

LOL I kind of love it that in a game with one sided lovers so far only one master servant pair have died I guess the masters have done a good job of hiding >>

 

[lokiduck]

purely speculation, but I think Vanilla, not vanilla and no result is kinda taking the piss out of the whole cop meme.

I mean look at the sample role. It doesn't have "Vanilla" in it at all.

:I Zipped "Just a Magus/Just a Servant" is this games version of Vanilla. :I I thought that was clear with the sample role PMs. Lit's like how in scooby doo mafia as a vanilla I was an innocent party goer.

 

[Hawthorn]

Sorry, Thorny, you've proven yourself, so now you'll either die early or live forever and be suspected. This is the way.

Now I know that I've really made it XD

 

[lokiduck]

:I

What if they align like vanilla = just a magus, not vanilla = servant, and no result = something else?

Then it's basically a detector to see how scum can maximize their kills.

Pepe isn't a servant and he had a power Launch.

 

[weemadarthur]

Launch should be the lynch based on the flip, there’s just no way anyone should believe in 2 town sided extra voters.

also i’m not related to salva. c’mon zipped. you’re stuck in a headloop of nothingness. If we were both dead there’s no reason to redact the 2nd flip.

 

[weemadarthur]

Fran being RBd and not killed is possible but why would that then make him bother claiming who he was gonna protect? It’s not like anyone thinks he could share that info in advance since his master [presumably still] is dead. And scum would just block no matter what his target was. Why bother even talking.

 

[lokiduck]

Launch should be the lynch based on the flip, there’s just no way anyone should believe in 2 town sided extra voters.

also i’m not related to salva. c’mon zipped. you’re stuck in a headloop of nothingness. If we were both dead there’s no reason to redact the 2nd flip.

Not so sure about that.

 

[Alexem]

Launch should be the lynch based on the flip, there’s just no way anyone should believe in 2 town sided extra voters.

While what I've read here makes me suspect that I was on the wrong track about Launch, were I in the game right now, I'd be calling for his head at this point.

 

[weemadarthur]

Not so sure about that.

Well I’m pretty sure I wasn’t salva’s partner. ....pretty sure...

course if i was in the game i’d probably say so and get modkilled for being an idiot, I haven’t had goodbrain this week.

 

[Hedin]

Sorry, Thorny, you've proven yourself, so now you'll either die early or live forever and be suspected. This is the way.

The secret is to make people think you're scummy even though you're not which makes you safe from night kills and comes down to how well you can talk your way out of it.

 

[Hedin]

Are there any town investigative powers left? It doesn't feel like town is going to be able to latch on to the rest of the scum without a result.

 

[lokiduck]

Are there any town investigative powers left? It doesn't feel like town is going to be able to latch on to the rest of the scum without a result.

Spoiler

There is one power... but they only have 1 maybe 2 shots left. However, it's not going to be solid proof of scumminess like a alignment check or wee's tracker shots.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

LOL I kind of love it that in a game with one sided lovers so far only one master servant pair have died I guess the masters have done a good job of hiding >>

Still not salty.

 

[Hawthorn]

I really thought I hinted at who my partner was ... maybe it only felt like that to me XD

 

[lokiduck]

Poor HP :< Hang in there buddy you can do it.

 

[SkyOdin]

Being scum read all the time for what feels like no discernible reason can be rough. I feel for HP and Maol. I've been there more than once.

 

[Hedin]

This won't bother Maol at all, but for a newcomer (it seemed like HP had some experience in a different community maybe) it can be a little rough.

 

[weemadarthur]

Ok HP, claiming Master at this point is GOOD
asking to be voted out is BAD.
always. BAD. Stopppit.

 

[Hawthorn]

This won't bother Maol at all, but for a newcomer (it seemed like HP had some experience in a different community maybe) it can be a little rough.

I think it was Shirou who played in another community. HP said this is his first actual game. I hope he doesn't give up, it can be galvanizing when you're arguing for your life

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Man, I feel like town is not giving off very good vibes right now. Y’all can still win this!

 

[malus]

Everything Launch says makes me Scum read him more.
But Town be like "Launchs claim is just as bad if not worse than Salvas and Salva flipped Scum, but after hard deflecting to other players he switched to voting Salva when that was going to be the outcome anyway, so Launch must be Town."

 

[lokiduck]

Man, I feel like town is not giving off very good vibes right now. Y’all can still win this!

Yeah i was thinking town would be more excited and ready to scum hunt after getting out Salva, but guess not >>

 

[Verelios]

Man, I feel like town is not giving off very good vibes right now. Y’all can still win this!

Town always starts feeling themselves the day after hitting scum. That was the candy, today is the whip.

 

[Alexem]

For HP when you get here - try not to let it get to you too much if circumstances make you look scummy incorrectly. It's a crap feeling, but sometimes that's how the game turns out. It could be that the mafia team have intentionally picked a target that you were pushing against to try and set you up as a scapegoat, or it could just be plain bad luck if a player that you were sure was scum ends up flipping town at the end of the day. (I know there've been times where I've been only too glad to be the night victim after seeing an end of day flip!)

In situations like that, it's best just to press on as best as you can. You might have to be a little more gutsy or push harder than might otherwise be advisable, but if you're serious in your opinions, they're still worth airing. After all, even if you do go out, you might be on to something that town can put to good use in the end. If all else fails - and you're vanilla - then you can always try baiting scum into going after you so that they don't hit a PR instead as a last-ditch play.

Of course, this is all assuming that you're town...

 

[AllThingsPurple]

Ephi is really good at this mafia thing.

I could be wrong about launch, but there would be no way I don't put my vote on him this day if I were in there.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Hmm that vote analysis doesn't look right. I mean it probably is, but the info available isn't sufficient to solve the game that way.

 

[SalvaPot]

Launch is not the same alignment as me, lol. No way. I think he was neutral.

 

[Hedin]

Hmm that vote analysis doesn't look right. I mean it probably is, but the info available isn't sufficient to solve the game that way.

When your analysis spits out 3 newbies being on the same team (which is possible but very unlikely) then I think you need to rethink your analysis.

 

[Hawthorn]

It's as likely as any three random players being on a team together, right? It's like that thing about how probably two people in a group share a birthday or something like that?

I actually think it would be kind of neat if an almost-all-new scum team won the game XD

 

[Hawthorn]

I've come back around to thinking Launchpad is town.

 

[heymonkey]

It's as likely as any three random players being on a team together, right? It's like that thing about how probably two people in a group share a birthday or something like that?

I actually think it would be kind of neat if an almost-all-new scum team won the game XD

My first time as scum, it was me, Sneeks, and GoG, who hasn't been around in a minute, but it was an all-woman mafia team and two of us were first-time scum. We made it without losing anyone.

It was a fine enough moment to bring a tear to the eye.