Ten Forward

[Sawneeks]

I hope you all are cool with me being salty as hell in here :|

you could have been salty down there if you had just spoken up

 

[Sawneeks]

jman and anex being the voice of reason to look elsewhere for today. HP isn't helping his case but it's worth it to look elsewhere.

Preeetttyyyy sure ATP is town from all this, though.

 

[Maolfunction]

jman and anex being the voice of reason to look elsewhere for today.

Preeetttyyyy sure ATP is town from all this, though.

lol, I was thinking the same thing.

ATP is in a tunnel, don't think that's particularly indicative of his alignment, but it won't be a great look if HP does flip town and ATP is a wolf. But, he could harp on HP all game and never push for votes on him enough to flip him until late game.

Leo looks town to me. He's the only one trying to push past old topics. And Blarg doesn't feel like town Blarg still.

 

[Maolfunction]

lol, Fate and Neki are definitely not scum together.

 

[Maolfunction]

I think Ephi gets herself in trouble by overexplaining sometimes. Typically, vote hopping at EoD is town indicative, but she just posted a short novel on why she was jumping around when she could just say she wasn't sure what to do with her vote. Unnecessarily long posting always looks suspicious to me since it looks like you're hiding the deficiency of the honest reason with words.

 

[Maolfunction]

ATP with a red check on Neki? I sense shenanigans.

Was his hard tunneling on HP bait? This probably clears him of being a wolf tho, maybe still a neutral.

 

[Maolfunction]

I wonder how many of the fast snap voters on Neki are wolves.

 

[Hedin]

ATP with a red check on Neki? I sense shenanigans.

Was his hard tunneling on HP bait? This probably clears him of being a wolf tho, maybe still a neutral.

It was apparently a wild night last night so....

 

[Maolfunction]

It's 9 for majority so we're not close yet, but ease up on the bussing.

wrong thread, LP

 

[Maolfunction]

you should talk to Monkey about faking red checks on D2, Neki.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Neki not claiming here or saying anything in his defense looks bad, honestly. I would lean towards believing the check, since Neki's hesitance to claim reads like he doesn't have a believable town claim to use. ATP/Neki could be hunters, I suppose.

 

[Neki]

Hello fellow townies

 

[Fanto]

since Neki's hesitance to claim reads like he doesn't have a believable town claim to use.

Well, this part was right lol.

 

[Fanto]

Also, LP saying "You can always self vote..." had me laughing so hard lmao.

Neki literally could not self vote.

 

[Neki]

@LaunchpadMcQ I am very sorry Launch, EoD crept up on me and I really didn't like the push on HP. No one wanted to go elsewhere so I did what I could to try to save him and you got stuck in the crossfire. I didn't think the vote would actually happen for you.

 

[Neki]

@Fanto Evil evil role you gave me. I'm glad that my death will mean something hopefully because playing that role past D2 would have been a nightmare.

 

[Fanto]

@Fanto Evil evil role you gave me. I'm glad that my death will mean something hopefully because playing that role past D2 would have been a nightmare.

Yeah, that was a super negative utility one lol, thanks for being a good sport about it. It was a tough one to design, because I knew whoever had it was gunna need to really put in some work to get use out of it and not look awful to Town.

 

[Neki]

I mean hey, I like tunneling people. That's a townie thing to do!

 

[Neki]

This is why I'd rather vote out low activity on D1 so I don't feel bad about it. Voting out and killing out all the high activity players just feels boring to me. But scum shouldn't gripes about that, a win is a win. :)

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

@LaunchpadMcQ I am very sorry Launch, EoD crept up on me and I really didn't like the push on HP. No one wanted to go elsewhere so I did what I could to try to save him and you got stuck in the crossfire. I didn't think the vote would actually happen for you.

No worries. Sorry you had to go like that. I know firsthand it's not fun having a red check leveled at you as a town player :(

 

[Neki]

Nah I think it was funny. I was really hoping that I was gonna flip scum and the game would have turned into some wacky role madness. But it was just a fake check which is boringgggggg. I even asked Fanto if I could modkill myself to catch ATP in a lie but it was against the game spirit so I just wrote up my analysis and waited for my slow and eventual death.

 

[Neki]

I don't get the 1:1 trade though so I must be missing some master game plan by the scum team.

 

[Hedin]

That is a rough role, especially when you aren't tunneling anyone. ATP is in a really tough spot now.

 

[Neki]

That is a rough role, especially when you aren't tunneling anyone. ATP is in a really tough spot now.

Am I missing something? Didn't he open wolf in his post before EoD?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I even asked Fanto if I could modkill myself to catch ATP in a lie but it was against the game spirit so I just wrote up my analysis and waited for my slow and eventual death.

lol I was going to ask Fanto myself if that would've been a viable strategy or against the spirit of the role.

Am I missing something? Didn't he open wolf in his post before EoD?

I didn't see the post until now, but I think that's ATP admitting to a gambit. lol

 

[Maolfunction]

ATP isn't scum. He might be a neutral, but no need to expose himself like that as a wolf with a straight up fake red check.

Spoiler

Spec chat was already told that Sneeks wasn't the mafia's original kill choice, so there's some sort of switching going on. ATP probably got a red check for a different player entirely.

 

[Neki]

Maol is that your opinion after seeing his EoD post?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

"If I'm wrong" doesn't feel like the kind of thing you say when you've got an alignment check.

 

[Neki]

Maybe I'm taking it too much at face value but the gif usage makes it seem like he took one for his mafia team.

 

[Maolfunction]

If ATP is doing what I did when I faked a tracker result on EC and is town, that'd be wild considering I did that with the idea that I had blocked a NK and wanted to stay alive two more night phases to get another doc save off.

 

[Neki]

I feel like there was better choices if he was gonna fake an alignment check but maybe I am being bias

 

[Maolfunction]

Maybe I'm taking it too much at face value but the gif usage makes it seem like he took one for his mafia team.

He wasn't in contention to be voted off, it'd be entirely unnecessary this early on in the game unless his scum role literally has him exploding tonight or something.

 

[Neki]

I guess we'll have to see but town letting someone live after a fake red check seems kinda dicey. Didn't work with you Maol and I don't see it working here.

 

[Hedin]

Either way he's pretty much compromised right now. Scum try to kill or RB him tonight because you don't take the chance on leaving a cop active. He's going to have a lot of questions on him tomorrow then too.

 

[Maolfunction]

I guess we'll have to see but town letting someone live after a fake red check seems kinda dicey. Didn't work with you Maol and I don't see it working here.

Again, talk to Monkey lol

 

[Maolfunction]

Either way he's pretty much compromised right now. Scum try to kill or RB him tonight because you don't take the chance on leaving a cop active. He's going to have a lot of questions on him tomorrow then too.

If they redirected him in the first place, they can just do so again and effectively neuter him. If that's the case, I wouldn't NK him because of how difficult it would be for town to leave him alive for more than a couple of phases.

 

[Sawneeks]

What if this is Harry Potter Mafia redux and we have two Switchers again

 

[Sawneeks]

But uh, if HP and ATP are Town then scum is probably laughing it up in their thread. This is a great situation for them.

 

[Hedin]

Yeah if they can keep messing with him just let him twist in the wind.

 

[Sawneeks]

And reading over this day...

Ephi's activity just disappears the second ATP claims and she doesn't end up voting there until others go there first. For someone who was questioning people she takes a weird backseat here and doesn't question ATP at all about the check. I'd look at her more.

Royal too. He needs way more pressure since his wagonomics vote on HP is very safe.

 

[Maolfunction]

Town needs to get a little better at pressing for info when red checks come out, for sure. Was it an alignment check, did ATP see Neki kill Sneeks, did he get a peek into the scum chat, etc. Not all red checks are created equal, and a little push on ATP to be more specific would have been useful.

No point being coy about your role as town if you think you have a legit red check, a 1 for 1 tradeoff is good. And you may draw a doc save for the honesty if there is one.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Town needs to get a little better at pressing for info when red checks come out, for sure. Was it an alignment check, did ATP see Neki kill Sneeks, did he get a peek into the scum chat, etc. Not all red checks are created equal, and a little push on ATP to be more specific would have been useful.

No point being coy about your role as town if you think you have a legit red check, a 1 for 1 tradeoff is good. And you may draw a doc save for the honesty if there is one.

I think so too, but good luck not getting called out for fishing! I think we've built up this culture where asking questions about a red check is seen as scummy, because "red checks get checked", but it's become increasingly clear through recent games that we need to press people and ask questions.

There are definitely situations where keeping some details under the hood make sense, but it didn't seem like anyone asked ATP a single question, even though pure alignment checks are becoming increasingly rare among the gamerunners here.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Town needs to get a little better at pressing for info when red checks come out, for sure. Was it an alignment check, did ATP see Neki kill Sneeks, did he get a peek into the scum chat, etc. Not all red checks are created equal, and a little push on ATP to be more specific would have been useful.

No point being coy about your role as town if you think you have a legit red check, a 1 for 1 tradeoff is good. And you may draw a doc save for the honesty if there is one.

Yeah I think not asking any questions about it hurts town more in the long run. MGS is a real good example on why you shouldn’t just always blindly follow those

 

[Maolfunction]

I think so too, but good luck not getting called out for fishing! I think we've built up this culture where asking questions about a red check is seen as scummy, because "red checks get checked", but it's become increasingly clear through recent games that we need to press people and ask questions.

There are definitely situations where keeping some details under the hood make sense, but it didn't seem like anyone asked ATP a single question, even though pure alignment checks are becoming increasingly rare among the gamerunners here.

To which the response should be, absolutely I'm role fishing. Why should I trust this person's red check? lol

 

[Alexem]

Either ATP's open wolfing or he was already well aware that his chances of making it to N3 in the event of a town flip were slim to nil.

 

[Neki]

I mean if town!ATP does this gambit then I'm just at a loss of words. He's definitely shifted the focal point of the discussion so I'm interested to see where town tries to look.

 

[Leo]

Hey y'all. RIP me.

 

[Faddy]

LOL ATP.

Let's see if that works.

 

[Leo]

My money is on ATP, LP, HP and maybe Ephi.

I knew ATP was off D1, should have been more stubborn.

 

[Leo]

I requested spec access specifically to say that, yes, I am scum in this game.
What are you going to do about it?

I knew it!

 

[Maolfunction]

I'm curious as to what ATP is doing because the vote tool definitely did not react to that command lol.

Is he a survivor

 

[Hedin]

What the what is going on?

 

[Leo]

I'm curious as to what ATP is doing because the vote tool definitely did not react to that command lol.

Is he a survivor

He left the game, he's scum with some weird power, and he knew he would leave (or he chose to use his power and leave) today so he used that to take neki out.

I still think HP is his scum buddy and that tunnel was to make town think HP is innocent.

 

[Neki]

I'm like half it was a scum power and half that it's a minstrel message. The way it's written is just odd.

 

[Leo]

If HP was town, it would be easier for him to convince town he had a red check on him than on neki, I think, so he would have faked the red check on HP

 

[Maolfunction]

He left the game, he's scum with some weird power, and he knew he would leave (or he chose to use his power and leave) today so he used that to take neki out.

I still think HP is his scum buddy and that tunnel was to make town think HP is innocent.

But he didn't leave the game, the vote tool still shows him as an active player. I'm curious if he'll still be able to be voted for when the day starts.

I really think HP is town too lol. a scum double voter feels too swingy in this setup.

 

[Leo]

Hmm, maybe the vote tool just didn't update yet? It's showing D2, but i don't know how it works.

 

[Hedin]

That's not a vote tool exiting the game command so will need to see if any additional commands get put up at EOD.

Hmm, maybe the vote tool just didn't update yet? It's showing D2, but i don't know how it works.

It'll say D3 with a command at day start.

 

[Maolfunction]

Hmm, maybe the vote tool just didn't update yet? It's showing D2, but i don't know how it works.

Another clue that's it's a role thing that's not actually him leaving the game is it was posted during dusk, when role actions are processed and not at the start of day, when moderator actions happen.

 

[Hedin]

That's not a vote tool exiting the game command so will need to see if any additional commands get put up at EOD.

And by EOD I meant EON.

 

[Faddy]

But he didn't leave the game, the vote tool still shows him as an active player. I'm curious if he'll still be able to be voted for when the day starts.

I really think HP is town too lol. a scum double voter feels too swingy in this setup.

The vote tool does not support that type of command. The only way recognised by the vote tool is [player] has died and ATP certainly is not dead.

 

[Neki]

How does the vote tool handle someone exiting the game via a win condition?

 

[Maolfunction]

The vote tool does not support that type of command. The only way recognised by the vote tool is [player] has died and ATP certainly is not dead.

I want to know what his role is. It's almost certainly some sort of funky neutral thing with a weird win con.

 

[Faddy]

How does the vote tool handle someone exiting the game via a win condition?

[player] has won.

At this point ATP has not won.

 

[Maolfunction]

How does the vote tool handle someone exiting the game via a win condition?

I think the command is just [player] has won or something very similar to that effect

 

[Fanto]

How does the vote tool handle someone exiting the game via a win condition?

"X has won the game" is the command for that.

 

[Leo]

Well, let's wait and see. He hasn't showed up in spec yet either.

 

[Neki]

We just play the waiting game

 

[Faddy]

We just play the waiting game

The waiting game is boring.

Let's play hungry hungry hippos

 

[Neki]

@Leo Glad you have a good read on my town game, one day I'll be scum and betray you though

 

[Leo]

@Leo Glad you have a good read on my town game, one day I'll be scum and betray you though

That's how you repay me, you people in this community are shameless!

Spoiler

hopefully I'll get to pocket you first

 

[Maolfunction]

I can't believe you all don't want to engage in wild speculation. My limited knowledge of Star Trek makes me guess that ATP is Q.

 

[Neki]

I've only seen the new star trek movies so my knowledge is limited to none. All I know is they like yelling Khan.

 

[Maolfunction]

I wonder if ATP is a dreaming god, haven't seen that role in a long time.

 

[EvilChameleon]

Two games in a row where players can just bail on the fun and madness that is mafia? Shameful!

 

[Faddy]

I can't believe you all don't want to engage in wild speculation. My limited knowledge of Star Trek makes me guess that ATP is Q.

Set course for wild speculation..

 

[Hedin]

I can't believe you all don't want to engage in wild speculation. My limited knowledge of Star Trek makes me guess that ATP is Q.

Only Janeway would have as blatant disregard for other people's lives.

 

[Maolfunction]

Oh, what a weird role. Day commuter feels too bastard for a role madness game, and a quitter would usually have their role PM revealed.

 

[Maolfunction]

My hot read of the day is that wee is scum.

 

[Leo]

LP has to be scum c'mon town

 

[Neki]

are we sure this isn't a bastard game I'm actually scum guys

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

AllThingsPurple has left the game

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

So I think nows a good time for me to roleclaim. I’m an empath and can sense emotions. On N1 I scanned ATP and was told he was feeing jovial. On N2 I scanned HP and was told he’s feeling confident.

I’m 90% sure I’m a dog sniffer.

above image also applicable here

 

[Neki]

I mean if ambulance is claiming that they need to flip HP to see if confident could mean scum or town, that'd make sense to me since they can't flip ATP

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I'm going to try something.



ATP, are you with us?

 

[Maolfunction]

is there a star trek equivalent to the shadow realm

 

[Neki]

I thought LP was town lean but this soft defending of ATP is making me worry.

 

[Mazre]

is there a star trek equivalent to the shadow realm

Maybe he beamed off the ship temporarily

 

[Leo]

He also said "to my crew" which I assume is town, and then posted a gif that said "stay alive".

 

[Neki]

I mean I trust Fanto game design that ATPs role simply wasn't get someone voted off and disappear for a day because it really destroys the agency of the player getting voted off especially when you can fake a red check with no repercussions.

But I do feel worse about it if it'd a town role though.

 

[Maolfunction]

At any rate, this is all fantastic distraction for scum lol.

 

[Alexem]

My finger-in-the-air guess is that ATP got janitored. If he was town and his red check wasn't as trustworthy as he thought, I can see a scum janitor taking him out with the expectation that town will just assume 'welp, guess he was scum after all'. Mind you, I'd have expected a janitor to make the factional kill and Leo was on the receiving end of that, so who knows what's going on.

 

[Leo]

My finger-in-the-air guess is that ATP got janitored. If he was town and his red check wasn't as trustworthy as he thought, I can see a scum janitor taking him out with the expectation that town will just assume 'welp, guess he was scum after all'. Mind you, I'd have expected a janitor to make the factional kill and Leo was on the receiving end of that, so who knows what's going on.

ATP knew he was leaving the game, he made a last post saying town won't be able be vote him out, and wishing luck to his "crew".

He's either scum or some wacky neutral trying to confuse town into thinking he's scum, for some reason.

 

[Alexem]

That shows what I know, then.

 

[Neki]

How many third parties did I get attacked by on D2 lol

 

[Hedin]

This community sure likes to claim.

 

[Neki]

This community sure likes to claim.

don't get me started, I'm glad I took my claim to the grave

Screw it, my best bet is to claim. I've spent all night agonising about who to trust and who to not trust, and it all being in my head doesn't help. I'm Captain Jean Luc Picard himself and I had the ability to invite people to a night chat with me and ATP. Currently, I've only invited one other person. The Neki red check came from that third person.

How did this person red check me before N1? This is not adding up at all for me

 

[Hedin]

don't get me started, I'm glad I took my claim to the grave

I feel like you and I are pretty much the only ones on that island.

How did this person red check me before N1? This is not adding up at all for me

I think he was in the chat with ATP from the start and your red checker joined N1.

 

[Fanto]

That is probably the most ridiculous PM I have ever written so far btw lol.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

hmm this chat has aged poorly