If I get a chance today before day start I'll ISO that potential power role list Wiz posted and see if any of them softed anything. If not, I'm happy enough with Stan.
Scum Thread The Top Shelf
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The Wizard
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Not seeing much in the way in soft claims.
Here's a hunch: Launch could be the cop
Here is his PIK
Kill EC is interested here given his dad joke mentions, on the face they seem to be defending EC but the kill here gives me pause on why else he would be mentioning that game (it could have just been his most recent game / memory too)
Here's a hunch: Launch could be the cop
The first is innocuous enough, the 2nd stood out to me. I hadn't read dad joke and the context of this quote is cooling Haw on EC but Launch brings Dad joke up a few times and it made me think he might be hinting that his play is similar because his role is similar. I already had cop in mind so when I checked Dad Joke I saw he was an alignment cop.
Here is his PIK
I'm not sure if Launch uses cop to green check a town lean or red check a scum lean. If he's looking for red I'd expect him to check Fran or Hedin. Green could end up hitting Vere or Rando which wouldn't be great.
Kill EC is interested here given his dad joke mentions, on the face they seem to be defending EC but the kill here gives me pause on why else he would be mentioning that game (it could have just been his most recent game / memory too)
If Launch is a cop AGAIN I am gonna laugh so hard.
Yeah I mean I brought up Launch as an option in my initial post. If we want to go for a safer kill, I imagine the Doc (if there is one) will absolutely protect Hawthorn or Chuggs so Launch will be open.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Sawneeks:
Tongue in cheek, but I could see vig Sneeks playing around here.
Didn't see anything else. Less sure Stan is doing anything from his EOD, looks like he just wasn't very active more so than intentionally laying low.
If Sneeks is vig then Fran is going down tonight. I don't think we need to worry.
Verelios
Were-elios
The Wizard
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Thinking there might be enough soft support to get some votes on him tomorrow (not necessarily voted out, but enough to force a claim?)
1. Haw 2. Launch or Sneeks
@Randomless you feel good with town Sneeks asking you questions tomorrow? She had a hunch yesterday and will likely grill vote switching from EoD
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PIK totals
Think we are mostly safe here, protect is likely Haw or Chuggs. Investigate will need to consider Fran. Kill will be looking at Fran too, to clear up d2.
Yeah I think I'd stick with 1. Haw 2. Launch. Go big or go home
Will she like my explanations? Idk, but Hawthorn saying she still thinks I'm town is a good sign because Chuggs will likely be aligned.
Yeah absolutely. I don't think there's anything I've done that I can't explain. "I offered the Hedin wagon because Ty expressed interest in another wagon and I know Hedin was taking heat earlier but was mysteriously absent. I thought there might be some interest there. I felt Hedin was posting pretty safe D1 and could viably be scum. Launch and Sneeks jumped on the wagon, I figured Chuggs and Ty would too but they did not, so I switched back to Fran because I felt if it was between malus and Fran then Fran is more likely town."
Will she like my explanations? Idk, but Hawthorn saying she still thinks I'm town is a good sign because Chuggs will likely be aligned.
Verelios
Were-elios
I think you're right, and Haw having you as a town lean is a good indication if we get her gone. It doesn't matter then if it's true on Chuggs/Haw being aligned. She still seems to want Fran to be scum while Chuggs believes he might be town, so there's less cross play there.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Night chat 2/3 lmk what you think.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Haw talked about Chuggs wanting to claim so I'm inclined to think they share a chat since this wasn't clear in the game thread. Neighbours is a possibility but I think we remain in good shape with Haw out and Chuggs in (vice versa too). If we do get blocked, town is still starved on information. If we're blocked vig might still shoot Fran. Without a green check / flip Fran should be the main discussion point tomorrow.
Launch and Hedin being higher up on Investigate lists, look out for players who town read them more tomorrow without a lot of explanation.
Verelios
Were-elios
Good list. What's your reasoning for town reading Random, that's likely to be asked tomorrow too.
The Wizard
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Yeah I think I can justify it, he was in my top 2 town with Fran who has dropped for obvious reasons.
Can talk about how his defense on Fran doesn't make sense for scum/scum and seems like a stretch for town/scum.
Liked him propping up EC after his read.
Only thing I wouldn't like would be vote jumping, but you, Sneeks and Launch all did a bit of that in a way that it doesn't stand out
Verelios
Were-elios
That's a good list then, go for it.
Verelios
Were-elios
Like: Chuggs (Up), Haw(Up)
Could Like: The Wizard, Saw(1 1/2 Down), Fran(1/2 Down), Launch (1/2 Down)
No Self: Hedin(Down), Randomless (Down), EC(Up), Ty(Up- Would like to see if he keeps up the energy D2 if he lives)
Bad: Fate (Down), Stan (Down)
Grudgingly like: Sparks
Here's my current read list. What needs change?
Could Like: The Wizard, Saw(1 1/2 Down), Fran(1/2 Down), Launch (1/2 Down)
No Self: Hedin(Down), Randomless (Down), EC(Up), Ty(Up- Would like to see if he keeps up the energy D2 if he lives)
Bad: Fate (Down), Stan (Down)
Grudgingly like: Sparks
Here's my current read list. What needs change?
Yeah I'd say bump someone up to like so you aren't just liking claimed lovers. Otherwise looks good
Verelios
Were-elios
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Are you planning to include those up and down movements in your post?
I thought about doing something like
Italic = down from yesterday
* = Up from yesterday
To get around word count limits, but I didn't have enough movement in my list to justify it
I thought about doing something like
Italic = down from yesterday
* = Up from yesterday
To get around word count limits, but I didn't have enough movement in my list to justify it
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
@heymonkey can u tell us how many protective roles town has?
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
It'll be interesting if the three of us as scum are the only ones to post full read lists, wonder if that will confer any town cred.
Verelios
Were-elios
Yep, saves time explaining and helps people know how my reads progressed haha.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Do you think the fact that we are 2 goons +a passive + a RB make it unlikely town has roleblock?
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
I guess we can all still get blocked on the factional kill so maybe not.
Verelios
Were-elios
I'd say it's unrealistic they have a RB. A tracker is likely, as is a doctor, cop and vig.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
always assume the worst
town has doctor, cop, vig, rb, and tracker
town has doctor, cop, vig, rb, and tracker
Verelios
Were-elios
Then life is going to be short and bitter.
Thanks for taking care of this for me.
Verelios has used one shot; one shot remains.
Verelios
Were-elios
Boooo you. Boooooo
Lol we should've shot Launch
What did I do?! go play with your friends
If Launch is the vig then offing him wouldn't have done much so eh
We'll see what's up
We'll see what's up
Verelios
Were-elios
All my friends will soon be dead T_T
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
He'd probably shoot Fran. I'm good with that.
I called it. Neighbours/Masons not Lovers. Chuggs I am inside your head!
Great job memers, either way.
Great job memers, either way.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Yup good call, it made sense with his eagerness to claim.
Pretty good outcome I think, two town down and we know who the vig is. Also managed to dodge protection on Hawthorn.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
yea launch and chuggs are good
now they are town confirmed
hmmm
now they are town confirmed
hmmm
Verelios
Were-elios
@The Wizard run by why you were off wagon. Have your defences up by 100 man
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Yeah catching up now, I'd do the same thing as town so I'm not too worried there but I may come up today so don't preclude a bus.
Especially Fate who I think it would look weird if he trusted me.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
all imma say is that im going to do my own thing and if u guys want to bus me go ahead
im going to have fun and enjoy myself
im going to have fun and enjoy myself
Verelios
Were-elios
>.> Why would you get bussed.
We should hit each other so we don't get connected though.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
dont make me ping monkey again
Verelios
Were-elios
Could be a power team mate.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
I think that's a good approach tbh. You picked up some town cred yesterday for seeming like you weren't on a team.
I don't intend to bus you but I'll probably still put some pressure.
Thinking I might be able to build a Ty case with EC and Sneeks on board, could probably get Chuggs with some EoD analysis?
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
But yeah don't ignore each other altogether it'll look worse if one of us gets knocked out
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
if you are saying that i can be a power wolf with you wiz, rando and vere
than thats above my punching something
i am not able to articulate as well as you three, but i will try my best to keep up with you trio
Verelios
Were-elios
Ayy, what? Don't discount yourself Fate, you were a game changer in Star Trek. Bring that same energy and we'll be golden.
Seems like the energy in the room is towards Sparks today. I'd prefer to keep him alive for longer but I'd rather yeet Sparks than one of us.
If we do Sparks today and our night kill succeeds, than we can pretty much power wolf D3, just wait until a townie has 2 votes on them then all stack, get another night kill and win the game.
If we do Sparks today and our night kill succeeds, than we can pretty much power wolf D3, just wait until a townie has 2 votes on them then all stack, get another night kill and win the game.
Verelios
Were-elios
Whew, this gonna be a trial. I'm hoping we can dump one of them today and get through this squeeky clean.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Fine with Sparks or EC over us. Ty would be nice. Sneeks would be great if town want another Fran moment :D
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Hedin and Stan would also work.
No hints from Stan if we actually blocked him on anything.
No hints from Stan if we actually blocked him on anything.
Verelios
Were-elios
Hmmmm, true. We need to decide if we want to gamble on RB tonight if we make it through or save it for a shot at the next night.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Do you think Launch shoots any of us tonight? (Assuming he has more than 1 shot?)
Otherwise I don't know who we would block, EC is hinting at something but I can't see what right now
Otherwise I don't know who we would block, EC is hinting at something but I can't see what right now
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
I think EC is hinting at a Hedin crumb, unless he thinks Ty had a scum tell
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
Ec being cop would be a nightmare situation lol
Verelios
Were-elios
Thankfully it looks like EC was just fucking around.
If Launch has more than one shot he's a serial killer. 2-Shot Vig in this setup would be a lot.
I made a list of remaining possible power roles:
EC
Stan
Hedin
Sneeks
Ty
So one of those probably.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Okay good to know, I figured with my bulletproof a slightly stronger vig was a possibility but I'm not really familiar with balance.
EC should not be the cop unless he is bluffing. Sneeks has all of us on her watchlist. Haven't picked up anything otherwise.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Btw Stan used the word green on his description for me, consider interpreting that as a cop crumb from him subtly in your remaining reads
Verelios
Were-elios
Oh, that's interesting.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Oh I didn't realize blocked roles aren't necessarily told they were blocked. Any roles which could interpret blocked as green? Cop and tracker seem like they would know it failed. Could just be bad word choice.
Sorry I'm dropping the ball a bit here, I'm legit not feeling well. Hopefully tomorrow will be better.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Don't worry about it Rando, I think you're doing well and everyone is flying somewhat under the radar. Hope you feel better soon!
Verelios
Were-elios
Same, have a bit of a headache so I couldn't concentrate very well today.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Wondering if Sparks vs. EC will last until day end or if town will throw a curve ball. Got some light suspicion on me but no one has bothered to ISO yet and no one has voted me, wouldn't be surprised if I catch a few close to day end.
Launch stating there are 3 scum is kind of interesting. Could he be a serial killer? I don't think so but worth bearing in the back of our heads
Launch stating there are 3 scum is kind of interesting. Could he be a serial killer? I don't think so but worth bearing in the back of our heads
I can see Sparks vs. EC lasting. After all the jumping yesterday people might be more opposed to it today.
So Wiz, I need to ISO you. Are you alright if I dig in a little bit? The main things I'm going to be looking for are content and progression. So how much of your posts are fluff vs. informative and how your reads progress. I'm planning to settle on you being viably scum and going in the Light Scum part of my reads list, but still wanting to stick to Sparks for today, and having Shirou as a more prominent possibility compared to you. Is that alright with you? I don't want to draw additional heat your way, but I've been saying I will look into you and I think I'll need something stronger than "yeah looks okay I guess"
I think this is a result of Launch becoming a reviewer actually lol. In the game design rules on OM you're supposed to have roughly 20-25% of players in a game be scum normally. So a normal amount of scum for a 15 person game would be 15, but we've got an extra one.
Launch still could be a serial killer but he'd be an unusual one because our win con is to control 50% of the votes and not eliminate all threats to Mafia. So a serial killer wouldn't count as a threat to us, so their normal win con of "be the last one alive" wouldn't be possible here. He could have some other win con, like "need to kill 3 people, one of them needs to be scum" and I think that would be balanced with our 4 scum here, but idk. The simplest explanation is just that he's town. I think I would avoid killing Launch because there is that paranoia there that he's a serial killer playing the long game. Town won't know our win con unless one of us flips first so we have that information advantage.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Yeah go for it, it looks weirder if I come out clean I think. I've been town reading EC and sparks so far, maybe dig into a partner angle with EC somewhere along the line (particularly with my sparks vote today)
I haven't checked too thoroughly but people I think would likely put a vote on me:
Hedin, Ty, Chuggs
Verelios
Were-elios
Yeah, Launch knows in a game this size we have at least 3 scum haha. Not to mention that SK doesn't get to know how many scum there are, contrasted to Hunter who might.
I totally wrote 15 scum and not 3 scum lmao
You understood what I meant
You understood what I meant
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
15 scum dream team
Yeah I didn't think Launch would now the count for sure, more that he might be confident in fewer scum if he was neutral. But seeing that our count is high it's probably nothing.
EC sure does like to self incriminate huh
Yeah I didn't think Launch would now the count for sure, more that he might be confident in fewer scum if he was neutral. But seeing that our count is high it's probably nothing.
EC sure does like to self incriminate huh
Verelios
Were-elios
Will be a good take off point if any of us ever flip before him. Hopefully we don't need that and can just charge ahead tomorrow.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
That ISO is really cool Rando, nice work. Looks like it has earned some good town cred.
I haven't gotten ISOed much in my previous games so I think you're right on the big posts turning people away - might work out this game.
I haven't gotten ISOed much in my previous games so I think you're right on the big posts turning people away - might work out this game.
Verelios
Were-elios
It's a work of art.
Haha thanks guys
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
stuff like sparks just makes me feel like an a-hole for doing this but man
ice in my veins
BLOBSHEESH
ice in my veins
BLOBSHEESH
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
@heymonkey is launch a serial killer?
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
is it too late to change game runners :kappa
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
wll im dying trmw now ROFL
Verelios
Were-elios
We can swing it to Stan or EC, we just need 1 vote and we're golden.
Great work memers.
I think we'll need some deliberations on who to target tonight.
If we could guarantee a kill, I think Chuggs is the best one to go for, but he's also most likely to be protected.
I think leaving Launch alive isn't a terrible idea. In the unlikely scenario he's a serial killer and kills again town will need to take care of him during the day. Even if he's just the Vig I think the small kernel of doubt is worth leaving simmer in there.
Leaving Sneeks alive could be good if we want to push her as a deep wolf. Ty is on board there, maybe others could be convinced. I would be surprised if she would be protected though, and she's a strong town voice.
Stan or Hedin would be wild card picks to target. They could be power roles based off process of elimination.
I think we'll need some deliberations on who to target tonight.
If we could guarantee a kill, I think Chuggs is the best one to go for, but he's also most likely to be protected.
I think leaving Launch alive isn't a terrible idea. In the unlikely scenario he's a serial killer and kills again town will need to take care of him during the day. Even if he's just the Vig I think the small kernel of doubt is worth leaving simmer in there.
Leaving Sneeks alive could be good if we want to push her as a deep wolf. Ty is on board there, maybe others could be convinced. I would be surprised if she would be protected though, and she's a strong town voice.
Stan or Hedin would be wild card picks to target. They could be power roles based off process of elimination.
Yeah exactly this. Chuggs thinks you're town Shirou, he could be our one vote. If he turns on Sawneeks and Ty votes there still, we could all just stack on Sawneeks and turbo. Kill someone very unexpected like EC N3 and it's over.
The Wizard
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Not as bad as it looks, two of us are on you + sparks who just ate it. Launch wasn't would as much as putting pressure.
Another pretty smooth day for us. Will give the night kill some thoughts. Thinking Hedin or Sneeks.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Oh yeah and vote count analysis tomorrow should be messy for town. Only one scum on Sparks who is generally town read. Only Chuggs is known town there. Fate is off wagon rather than pushing counter for self preservation.
Verelios
Were-elios
Sneeks might be a protect target, I would think a bit about gambling there.
Hm, I'd vote for Hedin or Ty.
I say we should use the RB tonight. If we use the RB and our kill is blocked, then at least we have successfully narrowed down the list of who can be the doctor, even if it's a bummer that the kill got blocked.
Hedin getting some heat in the night chat? Maybe we should leave him alive. I guess the worry is he has a confirmable power role.
Hedin getting some heat in the night chat? Maybe we should leave him alive. I guess the worry is he has a confirmable power role.
If we go for Ty we can push Sneeks during the day, or would that be too obvious?
I don't think Ty is a cop, because he would've checked Sneeks and backed off after getting a green, but instead he doubled down. He could be a doctor though.