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The Wizard

The Wizard

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There are some other gambits possible, more funny than good but throwing it out there

Multiple VTs
Town needs to pick among them

Counter claim each other as a bus
Town boots one tonight, thinks the other is clear tomorrow

Triple counter claim a towny
3 doctors, chaos
 
The Wizard

The Wizard

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Alright this is too much brainpower for a Saturday night.
Rando is due to go 2nd last. Rando says he'll hold for all but Sneeks.
Once Hedin claims, Rando makes him out to be a liar. Town concludes that scum team is Hedin + Vere + one of the VT claims. If 2 votes get on Hedin we win.
 
The Wizard

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Important thing to remember is as long as none of us vote town need to all agree on the same person to hammer
 
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I'm down to pounce on Hedin but I want to do an ISO first. I'm gonna be free all day tomorrow, I'll try to whip something up.

Unless 2 townies vote for another townie while we're all here and we can just win it I guess?
 
Randomless

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Nobody has jumped on Vere yet. We've had funky roles before, usually a game has something like a fruit vendor.

Vere has literally been a flavour cop before and it was a worthless role lol
 
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You could say you picked Ty and Shirou because they were in contention as wagons on those days near the end, maybe? You thought maybe scum would have a different flavour result perhaps.
 
The Wizard

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Moscow mule VT sounds iffy I think

Vanilla Rum Punch
Vanilla Mojito
Vanilla Tom Collins

Just want to pick something different to Sneeks. Same as EC, I can live
 
The Wizard

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Now we have battle of vanillas.
Hedin, EC, Fate, Rando, Me.
Town will probably try and construct a scum team of 3 within these. Vere claim might be wacky enough to seem safe now
 
Randomless

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I think Sneeks wants you to say you think you're the real cop so she can "counter" claim you, but a flavour cop coexisting with a normal cop is pretty normal.
 
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I don't know why she isn't claiming.

Also Chuggs asking why you didn't ask for Fate's drink name even though you did? Does he not realize you "checked" him last night? We're only D3 and the day just started.
 
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I want to defend you here and say it feels like you're getting bullied for not using your role correctly, ala myself in Thing.

I don't know if that would be wise.
 
The Wizard

The Wizard

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Vere goes today.
Kill Stan tonight.
8 tomorrow with a majority of 5, 3 of us.
Town: Sneeks, Chuggs, Launch
Unconfirmed: EC, Hedin, Rando, Me, Fate

If 2 town go EC or Hedin we win.
 
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I'm trying to think of a reason why Stan wouldn't say he got blocked if he actually did get blocked. I feel like that's really good info for town to have right?
 
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The Wizard said:
Wait what's the Stan bluffing play I think I missed something there?
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He said he's even night doc, and thus he couldn't protect anyone N1. However, we roleblocked him N1. So if he is actually a normal doc and got roleblocked, he could be lying about it to try and bait scum in to hitting him tonight, because it's an odd night and he wouldn't be able to do anything to stop it. Like if he's a regular doc and he can self-protect, for example. Self-protecting docs are pretty rare though. I think we need to risk it and take that shot tonight.
 
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Randomless said:
He said he's even night doc, and thus he couldn't protect anyone N1. However, we roleblocked him N1. So if he is actually a normal doc and got roleblocked, he could be lying about it to try and bait scum in to hitting him tonight, because it's an odd night and he wouldn't be able to do anything to stop it. Like if he's a regular doc and he can self-protect, for example. Self-protecting docs are pretty rare though. I think we need to risk it and take that shot tonight.
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Thanks, I got the even part but not the self protect half. I think we will still need to go for it.
 
The Wizard

The Wizard

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Tomorrow will be a bit of work I guess.

If we are going to ISO / come up with partners we should not all have the same answer in case town seems through it.
I think Chuggs trust in Rando can swing this.
Rando if you can make the partners seem like one of Hedin/EC and one of Fate/me, with the non-real case being stronger that might be enough.

Any of us that claimed VT could come back and say we had a role we wanted to get one more use out of to solve if need be, but it is risky.
 
The Wizard

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See what town does but Sneeks think she has a gotcha on me.
If I construct the scum team as Vere, EC, Fate and Rando does it as Vere, Hedin, Me town can pick up that I'm covering Hedin. Then they just need to vote Hedin first.
 
The Wizard

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Actually Vere, Hedin, EC would be the best construction if we can sell it. Town think there's 3 of us and will underestimate MYLO.

I'll post here before dropping ISOs tomorrow, night all
 
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People find Vere's claim weird, might make them consider Vere = neutral / SK. I don't think there's any normal neutral that town won't vote out today sadly, but if town stay a bit confused they are more likely to mess up.
 
The Wizard

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Vere I think it's very likely you flip so it might be a good idea to ghost the main thread.

Seeing a few angles:
1. Vere can be neutral and there can be 3 other scum out there
2. If Vere is 100% scum, flipping one of his partners scum might be the best path to avoid MLYO
3. Vere and Sneeks can be partners, setting up a bus to cement her town cred

Still the most likely path is Vere flips and we need to hit a false partner tomorrow, so I'll try to end up in the town range there.
Hedin might not work for Hedin/EC with his search off wagon :/
 
The Wizard

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The Wizard said:
Alright put in enough work that maybe Chuggs will side with me tomorrow. GLHF all
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With the self vote, I think scum has taken this day as a L and want it to move on as quickly as possible. I can tell you what they're not doing. Trying to solve right now, which I think is the biggest credit to Wizard here.
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I don't think it's very fair to say I'm not solving when I got home to a mass claim, went to bed and woke up to people deciding to turbo.

If I was town I wouldn't be "solving" either lol
 
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I'm gonna dig in hard with a Vere ISO next game day, similar to what I did for Wiz. I'll settle on Hedin being likely scum pals.

I think where we're at, we can afford to lose Vere if the Stan kill tonight goes through. That puts us at 8 players, 3 scum. We need one mis-elim to win. If we lose another scum at that point, we'd be down to 6 players, 2 scum. Still need only one mis-elim to win. If we get down to 1 scum, or if the Stan kill is blocked, we're in big trouble.

One thing I was thinking, if Stan does block his own death and he lied about being even night, we could swing that as Stan lying about actually being the doctor. "Maybe the real doctor just claimed Vanilla and wanted to see how things go", etc. Scum trying to go for a Hydro Cannon-esque no kill or something.
 
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Nah we gotta do Stan. Our best hope is leaving Chuggs, Hedin and Launch alive and trying to get Hedin out tomorrow. They think there's only 3 scum total so they don't realize tomorrow is MELO.
 
The Wizard

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2/3 night posts knocked out easily.

Seems like they're starting to consider you Rando, maybe let town do their own ISOs and put some votes down early tomorrow and see if we can swipe it.

Here's what I'm thinking night kill wise.

1. Stan isn't even night and can self protect: we lose a nk, town flip Hedin/EC, we need to gamble on Stan or his target again next night and then get one misvote
2. Stan isn't even night and can't self protect: we kill stan, town flip Hedin/EC, we win.
3. Stan is even night, self protect doesn't matter: we kill stan, town flip Hedin/EC, we win.

Just checked mafia wiki
The standard (and only Normal) version of a Doctor cannot target themself.
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The Wizard

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Town are gonna be salty when they realize there were 4 scum. In fairness I think both sides have played pretty well, and they can still pull it out if they don't tunnel on Hedin too much. Sneeks might dig on me and find something.

Just to check this is balanced:
4 scum (1 RB, 1 BP)
2 masons
1 (1-shot?) Vig
1 even-night(or not) doctor
7 VT

It seems alright. Only things that could mess it up is one of the VT being something else, which would mean a bluff from EC or Sneeks I think.
If Launch has a 2nd shot he shoots Hedin and we win instantly I think.
If EC has a roleblock or checker he probably won't block Rando, he could check and clear Hedin potentially.
Sneeks would RB or check me, red check on me would suck.

Don't think we can do anything different, hopes and prayers time and see if town turbos Hedin for us, stack if not.
 
Randomless

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I have to do some overnight ISOs because I'm not gonna be present at day start again. Going out for dinner, reservation is one hour after day start. This turbo really fucked up my IRL schedule.
 
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I'm gonna drop a bunch of posts, drop a vote on Hedin, and dip for a few hours. If they don't like that there's not much I could do anyway.
 
The Wizard

The Wizard

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I think that'll work out fine, main suspicion on you right now is thinking you don't wanna solve so with that out the way we should be able to clutch it. Gonna dip until day start, I may kinda ghost the start of next day depending on the tone of night chat. If town are confident on Hedin I can sit back. If town are debating me against Hedin, I might need put in some work.
 
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The good news is my Vere ISO is going well so far. Vere has a decent amount of interactions with Hedin, but they're pretty minimal so far. When he does ask Hedin questions, they are softball questions and he doesn't follow up on the answer beyond acknowledging it.

Even better, Vere dogged Shirou a lot throughout this game. I'll push that as them being unlikely aligned, unless Vere hard-bussed, because it feels unnecessarily harsh. Meanwhile with EC, Vere has a lot of hedgy posts about EC that look really bad after his flip. He voted EC at least once, but EC was never in any real danger of being voted out while his vote was on there. I'm gonna push a Hedin-EC team. Hedin doubling down on EC could be him feeling the heat and wanting to bus him for town cred. Something like that. I need to read Hedin, EC and Shirou still but that's what I'm working on.
 
FateShirou

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
Sorry guys that im not as deceptful and cunning as you two
I wasnt expecting for vere to go down today
I will see if i can get some shit on hedin/EC/post general reads in night chat
 
The Wizard

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Yeah Fate it's working out great so far, town shouldn't flip you first because who do you connect to?

FYI I'll be away for the first few hours of the next day phase, might catch start.
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Vanilla town claims
EC
Fate
Hedin
Me
Random
Sneeks
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VTs, flip 2 seeing the flip in between. Me first:
1. EC 2. Town -> Hedin Scum -> Rando.

Reasoning: Don't think it's Hedin+EC. Fate seems good after Vere. More tomorrow on why.
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Night post 3/3. I think getting the town cred will help since Sneeks might try and ISO me. LMK if you think I should change anything.

The reasoning:
Vere was afraid of tracker. He blocked Ty n1. He blocked Fate n2. Explains Ty kill as doctor hunting. Therefore, Fate is likely town.
I could swap the order of Hedin and EC here. EC claimed Salty Dog, while Vere is Margarita - both have a salt rim which could have inspired the flavor cop.
Vere wanted to vote EC day 2 but kept his vote on Fate which looks sketch.
 
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The Wizard said:
Yeah Fate it's working out great so far, town shouldn't flip you first because who do you connect to?


Night post 3/3. I think getting the town cred will help since Sneeks might try and ISO me. LMK if you think I should change anything.

The reasoning:
Vere was afraid of tracker. He blocked Ty n1. He blocked Fate n2. Explains Ty kill as doctor hunting. Therefore, Fate is likely town.
I could swap the order of Hedin and EC here. EC claimed Salty Dog, while Vere is Margarita - both have a salt rim which could have inspired the flavor cop.
Vere wanted to vote EC day 2 but kept his vote on Fate which looks sketch.
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That looks good, I would make it more clear that you think his stated targets were his actual block targets, but otherwise nice.
 
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