Verelios
Were-elios
Ty is a good choice. You're right that Hedin seems to be getting some smoke, might be better to leave him in.
Scum Thread The Top Shelf
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The more I am thinking about it the more I like a Ty kill.
If Stan is the doctor, he isn't likely to protect Ty, so we can use the RB on someone else.
Ty isn't likely to get protected anyway, I think it's more likely to be Chuggs, Launch or Sneeks.
Ty's flip makes EC, Stan and Sneeks look worse.
Ty isn't likely the cop for reasons previously explained but he could be the tracker or doctor.
I can do the kill again. I think I'm pretty townread. Stan said I was n/a and Ty said I could be scum, but he seemed like he wanted to go for Sneeks first. Even if he tracks me he shouldn't get his track results, because kill comes before track in the order of operations. Maybe this game is different because of the night chats, idk.
If Stan is the doctor, he isn't likely to protect Ty, so we can use the RB on someone else.
Ty isn't likely to get protected anyway, I think it's more likely to be Chuggs, Launch or Sneeks.
Ty's flip makes EC, Stan and Sneeks look worse.
Ty isn't likely the cop for reasons previously explained but he could be the tracker or doctor.
I can do the kill again. I think I'm pretty townread. Stan said I was n/a and Ty said I could be scum, but he seemed like he wanted to go for Sneeks first. Even if he tracks me he shouldn't get his track results, because kill comes before track in the order of operations. Maybe this game is different because of the night chats, idk.
I'm gonna be away for day start tomorrow, visiting my parents, so I'd prefer to put commands in either tonight or tomorrow morning.
I'm gonna post in the night chat letting everyone know I'll be away as well "assuming I live" lol. I'll probably post that tomorrow morning
I'm gonna post in the night chat letting everyone know I'll be away as well "assuming I live" lol. I'll probably post that tomorrow morning
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
i swear everyone and their dogs can read me like a rented mule
fate is a bit off
ofc im a bit off, im scum
GOD
fate is a bit off
ofc im a bit off, im scum
GOD
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
heymonkey
go tell haw to eat a croissant, i dont want to waste my 3 posts
go tell haw to eat a croissant, i dont want to waste my 3 posts
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The Wizard
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Probably won't be around much for night chat, will post one in the morning.
Will give night commands I thought. I think kill and roleblock both make sense tonight given we're intact and not necessarily made just yet.
3 main factors for night kill IMO:
Potential cop, potential doctor, usefulness in vote tomorrow.
Will give night commands I thought. I think kill and roleblock both make sense tonight given we're intact and not necessarily made just yet.
3 main factors for night kill IMO:
Potential cop, potential doctor, usefulness in vote tomorrow.
The Wizard
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Pretty similar for me
Don't kill:
Chuggs
Launch
EC
Stan?
Maybe:
Sneeks?
Good chance to hit PR:
Hedin
Ty
Could move Stan to maybe but I kinda want hint at misinterpreting his read of me as a cop crumb in night chat.
Don't kill:
Chuggs
Launch
EC
Stan?
Maybe:
Sneeks?
Good chance to hit PR:
Hedin
Ty
Could move Stan to maybe but I kinda want hint at misinterpreting his read of me as a cop crumb in night chat.
I do not want to kill:
Chuggs
Hedin
EC
I think they might be protected:
Saw
Yeah pretty similar here. With the way night chat is going I think we can swing things to EC or Hedin, maybe even Stan tomorrow.
Chuggs
Hedin
EC
I think they might be protected:
Saw
Yeah pretty similar here. With the way night chat is going I think we can swing things to EC or Hedin, maybe even Stan tomorrow.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
Alright so either TY or launch then?
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
if our kill goes through, we just need 1 mislynch
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
the twist part is kinda mothglarethink
what if the twist is that some town died come back to life, and thats why there isnt a spec chat
what if the twist is that some town died come back to life, and thats why there isnt a spec chat
Verelios
Were-elios
:monkeypaw:
Don't remind me of reviving townies. Overwatch Mafia got fucked over by that D1.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
we started the game with 11 town 4 scum
Verelios
Were-elios
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
something is going to happen
monkey is a expert at making games
myabe stan is a reviver? we RB'd stan N1. This is N2. if someone wakes up alive, then we know stan got something to do with it
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
scum usually make around 15% of the players at game start, the fact we were above 25% just shows that there has to be some reviival mech for town
with the amount of VTs, there either is a player role that does that or monkey will intervene
with the amount of VTs, there either is a player role that does that or monkey will intervene
I don't think reviving is a Normal mechanic. This game just feels to me like, what if the scum team is big but weak. Our best ability is a roleblock which can be hard to use and is only 2 shots. No strongman, no godfather, no ninja. Just a BP presumably to protect from the vig and 2 goons. I don't think there's necessarily cause for alarm yet.
I'm gonna do this so I don't forget:
Kill: Ty4on
Open to changing it. I think Launch would be a good kill but I'm wary of protection.
Kill: Ty4on
Open to changing it. I think Launch would be a good kill but I'm wary of protection.
Oh also another reason why 11 town 4 scum is balanced is because confirmed town can post still after they die, at night. They don't even need to revive to hurt us.
That's not even getting to the fact we don't know the whole setup. There could be a really powerful doctor role, for example.
That's not even getting to the fact we don't know the whole setup. There could be a really powerful doctor role, for example.
The Wizard
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| Player | Cop? | Doctor? | Support for ML? |
| Hedin | Might have checked me n1 unless Fran/Launch, prob not? | could be | Chuggs, Launch |
| Stan | blocked, possible. | Blocked, possible. | EC, Chuggs?, Sneeks? |
| Ty | prob not, should have got green on Sneeks | could be | almost none? |
| EC | should not be unless bluffing on chex. Should have had green on launch. | I don't think so given willingness to go out, feels more VT | Hedin, most of town - Launch |
| Sawneeks | would have checked Fran | could be, although might have protected thorny | Ty |
The Wizard
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Haven't done the full homework on that one it's mostly from skimming and some assumptions.
Ty makes the most sense to keep options open. Stan makes sense for possiblity of PR but is less townread.
I think kill doctor block cop would be ideal, but if kill isn't doc we should block doc if we can.
Sneeks was wondering about EC as cop in way that seemed genuine, could have been fishing to counter but I'm not sure - felt more like info starved town.
Assuming kill on Ty, I would rank
Cop: Stan = Hedin > Sneeks > EC
Doc: Stan = Hedin > Sneeks > EC
Double blocking Stan gives him no chance to claim or protect.
Similar with Hedin, who might have a green check but likely a useless one.
I'd say block whoever we are more hopeful to vote?
Ty makes the most sense to keep options open. Stan makes sense for possiblity of PR but is less townread.
I think kill doctor block cop would be ideal, but if kill isn't doc we should block doc if we can.
Sneeks was wondering about EC as cop in way that seemed genuine, could have been fishing to counter but I'm not sure - felt more like info starved town.
Assuming kill on Ty, I would rank
Cop: Stan = Hedin > Sneeks > EC
Doc: Stan = Hedin > Sneeks > EC
Double blocking Stan gives him no chance to claim or protect.
Similar with Hedin, who might have a green check but likely a useless one.
I'd say block whoever we are more hopeful to vote?
The Wizard
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cop!Hedin is 50/50 to check me or EC. I feel like he would lean EC but it is a risk.
cop!Stan might check Ty or Hedin.
cop!Stan might check Ty or Hedin.
If Hedin is cop he probably checked Launch N1 which ended up being useless.
If Stan is the cop I see him checking Ty tonight because he was really gung-ho about voting him off and only switched when the wagon wasn't taking off.
I'd rather block Hedin than block Stan again. If Hedin is a power role and gets a red check of some kind that would be bad news for tomorrow. I feel like probability wise it's more likely you block at least one person if you do two different players, rather than betting on one player definitely having an ability and then getting blocked twice, but idk.
With EC, after that whole chex fiasco, he put Sneeks as lock-town. Is that an indicator he's a cop? I'm worried he's just bluffing to try and draw a night kill.
I think it would be Hedin > Stan > Sneeks > EC for me for blocking.
If Stan is the cop I see him checking Ty tonight because he was really gung-ho about voting him off and only switched when the wagon wasn't taking off.
I'd rather block Hedin than block Stan again. If Hedin is a power role and gets a red check of some kind that would be bad news for tomorrow. I feel like probability wise it's more likely you block at least one person if you do two different players, rather than betting on one player definitely having an ability and then getting blocked twice, but idk.
With EC, after that whole chex fiasco, he put Sneeks as lock-town. Is that an indicator he's a cop? I'm worried he's just bluffing to try and draw a night kill.
I think it would be Hedin > Stan > Sneeks > EC for me for blocking.
Verelios
Were-elios
The Wizard
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Ugh EC as cop with a green check on Sneeks is technically possible and would be annoying. Explains his willingness to basically double her vote today.
That said not sure why he visited here and not Launch or Stan.
Seems like he would visit Stan, Fate or me tonight if he was.
Worst case for us is Stan, Hedin or EC claiming cop with a red check on one of us.
2nd worst case would be one of those but with a green check on one of the others.
What we have (kill Ty, block Hedin) seems like best we can do barring any night chat shenanigans.
That said not sure why he visited here and not Launch or Stan.
Seems like he would visit Stan, Fate or me tonight if he was.
Worst case for us is Stan, Hedin or EC claiming cop with a red check on one of us.
2nd worst case would be one of those but with a green check on one of the others.
What we have (kill Ty, block Hedin) seems like best we can do barring any night chat shenanigans.
Verelios
Were-elios
Yep, this is very much the time to gamble. We'll see if we're lucky or not. At worst we get caught and die, but we're at a good time to do so. Me and you are linked, Fate and Random are solidly alone. We can take a long approach either way.
If I or Wizard get caught out->the other might get caught. That's 2 days, 3 if we can deflect. 10 alive-6 town, 4 scum
8 alive, 5 town, 3 scum
6 alive, 4 town, 2 scum
Worst case scenario is still pretty good for us so long as Random and Fate keep a lookout.
The Wizard
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Possible night chat post, not sure if is too harsh on scum mates here? Would be setting up to start on Fate with the ability to shift to Hedin with Ty gone. Can go for Stan if anyone else claims cop.
Verelios
Were-elios
It's a good post, I wouldn't worry about it being too hard.
Lol yeah that looks good, I love how vicious those nicknames are
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
i think this game is just the loudest people rolled scum
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
alright posted my three
2 hours till day start
2 hours till day start
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
i want to do some theatricals
The Wizard
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I don't know about everybody else but I've been having a blast so far haha.
This was a stacked roster, there were a lot of very strong potential scum teams. i like this one though :D
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Wondering when town will realize that plainly stating who they like for the next days vote is advantageous to scum.
Sneeks bold underlining a scummy post of mine uh oh
Verelios
Were-elios
:blobaww:
This team has been stellar. We really are rounding off all the best town positions.
Verelios
Were-elios
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
mod kill vere, do it monkey
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
btw monkey can u tell us what the twist is
:Bulbauwu
i will let u call me friendshirou
:Bulbauwu
i will let u call me friendshirou
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
I thought with a twist was just a cocktail pun + the open night chat switch up
Verelios
Were-elios
But...people are friends when they make friends. *serious face
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
THERES SOMETHING GOING ON
15 PLAYERS AND HOW MANY VTs???????
15 PLAYERS AND HOW MANY VTs???????
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
i already used my monkey pings
its ur turn vere
ping monkey and ask where the PRs besides launch
its ur turn vere
ping monkey and ask where the PRs besides launch
The Wizard
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On the bright side if there was going to be anyone bringing people back to life Corpse Reviver would be the drink to do it.
Verelios
Were-elios
@heymonkey Where are the PRs!? Are yiu hiding them!?
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
nice one vere, im proud of you
Verelios
Were-elios
The more we scum read Fate, the
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
i still think you guys should buss me and set urselfs up for a long game, (like 5-6 days)
Verelios
Were-elios
It's going to be HARD to bus you today, with Chuggs, Launch and Saw in the wings.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
ok
so mass claim talks
what should we claim as? VTs?
so mass claim talks
what should we claim as? VTs?
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
maybe i should pull a nat:tm: and claim unused lightning rod
Verelios
Were-elios
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
good luck friendo
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
wait who did you check?
Verelios
Were-elios
I just got home.
Seems like we mass claiming. I'm gonna claim vanilla. There's like no power roles in this game, I think getting cute will backfire.
I'm gonna go for a shower irl before I make my appearance in the thread.
Seems like we mass claiming. I'm gonna claim vanilla. There's like no power roles in this game, I think getting cute will backfire.
I'm gonna go for a shower irl before I make my appearance in the thread.
Stan is even night doc lmao
So we were accurate with our RB but it did nothing, amazing
So we were accurate with our RB but it did nothing, amazing
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
ok guys we cant all claim vanilla
The Wizard
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Uhh just back hold on for claims a sec
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
I AM UNUSED LIGHTNING ROD
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
ok.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
@heymonkey gib fake claim now
The Wizard
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Mass claim is an excellent town play. Chuggs if you're reading this post game, fair play.
Our advantages:
- We can coordinate
- Town thinks there's 3 of us
- Rando gets to go last
Our advantages:
- We can coordinate
- Town thinks there's 3 of us
- Rando gets to go last
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Okay EC and Stan are out there. One doc, one vanilla town.
I think 1-2 vanilla town make sense. Thinking one counter claim on town protect or town investigate as well
I think 1-2 vanilla town make sense. Thinking one counter claim on town protect or town investigate as well
I would not counter claim a protect or invest. We only need a single mis-elim today and we win.
Unless you mean claiming an additional role? So like claiming Bodyguard even though we have a doc already. I suppose that could work.
Unless you mean claiming an additional role? So like claiming Bodyguard even though we have a doc already. I suppose that could work.
The Wizard
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I think Fate VT makes sense and makes his fight against EC which won't be helpful to town
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Oh we need only one mis-elim?
VTs and Rando counter claims doctor, we push Stan over Rando?
VTs and Rando counter claims doctor, we push Stan over Rando?
Marg checker is kinda weird depending on if there's a lot of margheritas. You'd think there would only be one.
Maybe a shaken/stirred checker instead? Like if a drink is one or the other. Or like a bitters checker? Something like that
There's 10 people alive. We get 1 mis-elim, 9 people. We kill anyone (assuming Stan is telling the truth and doesn't have a protect) and we win.
I would not get frisky now unless we want to play the long game and all bus someone.
Verelios
Were-elios
Oh no, let's not do that.
The Wizard
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I could just claim bulletproof, I did crumb it.
We need Hedin, Stan or EC as the ML.
EC if there's too many VTs.
Stan if we can get a more believable counter claim on the doctor.
Hedin - we could try to intercept but it's him or Sneeks as the cop
We need Hedin, Stan or EC as the ML.
EC if there's too many VTs.
Stan if we can get a more believable counter claim on the doctor.
Hedin - we could try to intercept but it's him or Sneeks as the cop
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Sorry not trying to create panic, I'm afk on the main thread and so is Rando to some degree so I think we're fine there.
Btw let's spread out our return to the thread so it doesn't look too coordinated.
Btw let's spread out our return to the thread so it doesn't look too coordinated.
Verelios
Were-elios
Uh, the thing would be I'd have to know if they were shaken or stirred.
I could claim I tried Stan N1 and got no result and Random N2 and got shaken? How is that?
Actually no, then I would have to explain why I didn't say there was a RB.
Oh, I could say one of the VT are lying because I got RBed!
Verelios
Were-elios
Yeah, I'll be waiting for Fate to claim 1st which matches my tone.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
ok so i claim VT, vere claims favour cop, rando claims something and wizard claims bulletpoof
Verelios
Were-elios
I suppose. We good?
I would be wary of saying you checked me because if you flip it links us, but that sounds good otherwise.
I think Chuggs and Launch will be pretty sus of any "Dog Sniffer" type roles from experience.
FateShirou
ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
frick launch is still in this game
Also there's a part of me that's concerned Stan is actually playing us with the even night doc and if you say you got roleblocked Stan will go, actually, I got roleblocked N1
Verelios
Were-elios
Aight, so maybe Stan and Fate?
Verelios
Were-elios
Oh, fuck that then. Will not claim stan.
The Wizard
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I think Vere will get booted if Sneeks is some other type of cop though? Or do you think flavor + alignment is possible?
Also also Chuggs seems to be very deep in my pocket so I'm hesitant to do anything to link us that could backfire
Could you say you checked Shirou or Wiz instead?
Could you say you checked Shirou or Wiz instead?
You could say you checked one of the dead players?
Verelios
Were-elios
Yeah, so Fate and Hedin? I got RBed N2 maybe?
Verelios
Were-elios
Oh, Ty, nice.
Yeah I would do Ty N1 Fate N2