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Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
I will say this: When Nin isn't being full of himself, he really does have the hallmarks of an ideal player. His observations are on point, and he sees things that other players don't. If he'd just stop being so haughty, he'd legitimately probably be one of our best players in the community.
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
I have provisionally rolled the board and it isn't too bad for you guys.
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
I really need to stop opening my big mouth.

"This day phase is going slow!" I say.

And then it moves four more pages before day end.
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
This is what I have on you so far. I'm moving on to empressdonna. My goal is to get reads lists for Day 1/2 on you, donna, KetKat, Kalor, Nin, and Zipped. Read it over and see if there's anything I need to change.

Day 1

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6237042/ - Mechanics speculation + Role fishing?
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6237589/ - Refers to the previous post as a mistake.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6250770/ - Wants people to keep roles to themselves. "You don't know how it works. To dangerous. "
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6257912/ - Downplays the slight town read that Brazil gave him.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6271217/ - "kyan being kyan"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6273744/ - "If he really wanted to reveal a token trough a possibility of C12 being drawn from the deck, I don't think he would've attacked Grizzly over it. Could've played along, seems genuine."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6281589/ - "What does kyan being kyan mean?" "For me it meant nothing more than that's the way he posts. Scum or town."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6282199/ - More talk about Kyan.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6282288/ - Yet more talk about Kyan
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6283509/ - Yet MORE talk about Kyan, clarification of "Kyan being kyan"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6284996/ - In regards to if Kyan was potentially trying to identify a role ("C12"): "Okay. I think it's all to vague to be classified as fishing for roles"

Grizzly's D1 read of him: "DCPat – The first noticeable posts from DCPat is him not understanding why knowing who has what card is beneficial for scum. Brazil says that this level of fail is bit more of a town read, but I don’t know… last game Pat was scum, he staged one of the most obvious examples of scum trying to save their partner from lynch, and he got rightfully lynched for it the very next day. So it’s not like Pat is above making major mistakes as scum. Other than that interaction though, pat has been posting short comments here and there. They are at least comments trying to solve the game, but they haven’t been very original in my eyes, mostly just parroting what others have said in the game so far. His activity does raise him above ”scum trying to just blend in and watch from the sidelines”, but it’s definitely not enough for me to town read him."

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6300322/ - Thinks the timing of Kalor/Sexy Fish/Xbro is nothing.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6300362/ - Wonders why Sexy Fish thinks the timing looks "shitty on you"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6301063/ - "I'm not inclined to believe scum would've been on Kyan because of the easy vote. It was not an easy vote because it was purely based on the way Kyan was posting. Votes on Kyan were more bad votes than easy votes."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6301350/ - "How do you feel about Kyan at the moment?" to Geno
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6302176/ - Defends Kyan from Geno
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6302465/ - "Post #311 for example? And I forgot some words in the post you quoted. I meant to say he contributed more than others." Geno: "It ain't much, it was just talk around mechanics, stuff we already said."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6304313/ - "I'm still looking where to put my vote." Ultimately votes Sexy Fish.

My impressions of his Day 1: Early on there's a bit of mechanics talk from him. Brazil gives him a slight town read early on due to said mechanics talk, but Grizzly gives him a more neutral read off the same events. He talks a lot about Kyan and basically tries to justify Kyan's talking patterns as "Kyan being Kyan", which I disagree with. Ultimately he has his vote on Sexy Fish for the day's end. There's no real reads on Sexy Fish prior to this vote, just the conversation earlier on about why the timing looks "shitty on you"


Day 2

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6350685/ - "Still feel like talking about the board and the mechanics is so much speculation at the moment. To many unknowns. At the moment I don't see an incentive to talk it."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6350784/ - As to why he didn't mention Sexy Fish until his vote on him: "Well I've had him on my mind and especially after his reaction to all the suspicion regarding the timing of his unvote caught my attention. I asked him about it but you are right I never layed it out. But I could've voted for somebody else outside the 3 candidates, but I like to help towards an lynch. "
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6350924/ - Something regarding Fandorin's vote on Geno... Not sure exactly.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6364269/ - To Fandorin: "Just like to know your reasoning then for choosing Geno over Sexy Fish. Because to me, without any reasoning on either one of the 2, it looks like you didn't want to burn your fingers on this lynch."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6365211/ - "Fandorin, you can include my quote in your answer to Geno, but you don't really answer me. It was not a clear cut case, so even more reason for a well considered vote between SF and Geno."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6367823/ - "At this point I'm willing to say that not both Kyan and Geno could be scum together this game. That's some good acting if they are." - Geno was indeed not scum.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6367881/ - "I agree with Kyan on this and want to point out that it almost looks like Grizzly is actively framing Kalor into scum fishing for info. Kalor just stated some obvious things. Scum can read the map aswell."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6367970/ - Grizzly: "It's not exactly uncommon for scum to set up visible fights in the thread to distance themselves from each other in case one of them flips." - DCPat: " I know, but this doesn't feel close to fabricated to me."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6368691/ - Brazil disagrees with the Kyan/Geno read above. DCPat: "You really think a scum x scum vote will be based on an argument based on being annoyed? Don't agree with you there. But at the moment we don't have to worry to much about it, since we have no flip. But I will certainly come back to it if one of the 2 is flipped."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6393059/ - To empresssdonna: "Could you explain to me your town read of Fandorin? I seem to lean scum on him. What do you think of his voting yesterday and his defense about that today?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6393462/ - In regards to Stuart's vote on Nin: "Haha wow. Going from a player who does not like to pressure and attack people to this well guided attack on the great Nin (Nin copyright). Bold move, let's see how that works out for him. Sorry Nin, but I like it. Although I dont agree with all of it, specially the part about window-dressing your post count. "
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6414068/ - Defends himself against Fandorin. "Fandorin, please don't drag me into your discussion with Geno. I do not know what's happening between the two of you. But my suspicion of you is based on my own analysis of your suspicious Geno vote yesterday. I asked you for an explanation and you gave it, but that doesn't mean I like it. I'm obviously still open about my opinion because it's still early and some people seem to townread you."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6416605/ - "Ill have to do a reread on Bro en Stuart, but I won't vote Nin. I don't know him very well, but I think the accusations against him are to easy."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6418182/ - Nin: "I am okay with leaving my vote on empressdonna, even though Stuart seems to be a viable choice too I want to leave my vote on her." DCpat: "By the looks of it this will be a thrown away vote at day end tho."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6419027/ - In response to Brazil on Nin: "Off course I liked it. He picks one of the most straight forward players as target for one of his first experiences of pressuring somebody. Don't tell me you didn't like it. And I already said I didn't agree with all of it."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6422412/ - In regards to Stuart's reads: "That's a lot of scum Stuart."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6423467/ - His reads on Xbro, Stuart, and Nin. Town reads Nin. Scum reads Xbro and Stuart. Ultimately votes for Stuart calling Xbro the lesser of two evils.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6423496/ - Immediate followup to his reads: "Oh? Are we going to throw a little bit of Fandorin in the mix?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6423717/ - To Kyan: "How much do you rate the chance of your vote being on Fandorin at day end?"

My impressions of his Day 2: There's a lot more to go on here compared to his Day 1. Firstly, he doesn't want to talk about the board or mechanics. Doesn't see "an incentive to talk it." as he says. This is different from Day 1 where he DID initially talk about the board mechanics. In terms of reads, he ultimately ends up town reading Nin here, while scum reading Xbro and Stuart. He was on the Stuart vote at the end of the day phase, before Stuart attempted his role claim and was counter-claimed by Geno. He does not reappear after the role claim and counter claim as far as I can tell, and makes no comment on it during Day 2. Ultimately he was on the scum lynch, which is slightly townie, but he jumped on a little bit later and we know there was scum bussing their teammate (Grizzly) that day phase.
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
Back in Love Boat 1, I think it was Hecht who said that my notes looked like the notes of a serial killer. Seeing as I'm finally scum, this is probably the closest thing to what the notes of a real serial killer trying to cover her tracks look like...

Here's what I have on Donna D1/D2:

Day 1

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6234181/ - "Train being in jail does mean one less command tonight, if they have one. Which could be good or bad for us :(."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6234359/ - Nicole: If you don't know anything about train and say train jailing could be good or could be bad, why do you use a frown face? Are you soft hinting at the answer to your own pondering?" Donna: "No, just using an emote out of habit, Nothing more than that."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6254649/ - Mechanics speculation about Oxford Street and the associated card.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6257999/ - "I'm really confused by kyan right now but I feel like it is just the posting style more than me thinking he is scum."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6274509/ - After Fandorian votes her: "I did make a post about how I was mostly confused by kyan's posting style but I'm not scumreading him because of it. Overall right now, I'm not sure on any scumreads but it is day one, and I'm sure things will change."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6284926/ - Reads on Brazil and Sexy Fish: " I'm leaning heavily towards that Brazil is town." [...] " Someone I'm uncertain of either way is Sexy Fish, I feel like we need to hear more from them."

Grizzly's D1 read of her: "empressdonna – One of the inactive players at this point of time. Her posts haven’t had much substance to them. I almost get the feeling that she is scared to post, one of the key scum-tells. She is pretty reactionary so far, and also fits the mold of a scum just trying to go with the flow. Somewhat scummy, although I don’t know how much of that is tied to her still being quite a new player."

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6289056/ - Votes Sexy Fish
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6293960/ - Nicole: "I'm assuming this post is in reply to Fandorin, but that wasn't explicitly clear reading through the thread. Are you town reading or leaning town on Grizzly and/or Sophia as well?" - Donna: "In regards to Grizzly, I am certainly reading him as town right now, nothing he said so far comes off as scumlike to me. As for Sophia, I am leaning town but I will do a re-read on her posts to see if there is anything I've missed."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6294439/ - SweetNicole's post on Donna: "Certainly, if you were reading Brazil as town for pressuring someone to show up and talk and get involved, you would be strongly reading Grizzly and Sophia who have done similar things as well. While you town read/lean both of them, I find it interesting that you aren't using the same reasoning to justify town reads for Grizzly and Sophia." [...] "To be clear, I don't think this is scummy, but I did want to point out the inconsistency with your read logic."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6298437/ - "Keeping my vote on Sexy Fish for now, still a bit uncertain on them right now." This happens right after the Kalor/Sexy Fish/Xbro votes/unvotes everyone was talking about.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6303316/ - "I'm not intentionally being inactive, I'm just caught up with some stuff irl (I have some slight food poisoning :()."

My impression of her Day 1: Uhh, I said this before back in Day 1 and I'll say it again: Her vote on Sexy Fish feels weak. It was tossed out somewhat early on in the day phase and never moved. Brazil notes at post #357 (https://www.resetera.com/posts/6301741/) that it feels like she's sliding into it with her vote, and I agree. There's not much else here, the main thing of note being Nicole's commeting on her inconsistent read logic, as one of the three people involved (Brazil, Grizzly, and myself) were scum.

Day 2

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6347479/ - Mechanics speculation - "Curious about why Bond Street is gone, since that means one less safe place to land. It also begs the question if this could happen to more than one place but that might just me overthinking it at the moment so I'll put that thought to the back of my mind for now."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6348618/ - Calls out the three people who didn't have a vote down, but only specifically names Nin, and how he wasn't there at day end. Asks for his thoughts.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6348865/ - Sophia: " Although I have a question for you and empressdonna: Why did the two of you leave your vote on Sexy Fish? You both had votes on him because you wanted to hear more from him, but didn't move your votes after hearing more from him." - Donna: "Despite his posts after my initial vote, I still didn't feel completely convinced by Fish at the time so it felt like it was my best shot at the time."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6351100/ - Sophia: "Apologizes for looping you two together like this, as I'm going down the list, but could you point out specifically what you felt was scummy after your votes?" - Donna: "Despite the fact he had voted for kyan at the time, I felt like this post in particular was him trying to protect kyan."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6364039/ - Nin votes her. "Somehow you have given me the feeling of coasting up to this point."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6366768/ - "I understand it doesn't look good for me, but it was my honest feelings in regards to why I kept my vote there and how I felt at the time."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6367204/ - Nin: "Talk about it, thats the thing votes are a tool to pressure people and force them to engage with one another. I just want to know what forced you into just letting the vote stay on sexy fish." Donna: [talks about it]
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6367675/ - Grizzly asks for her current reads. She has one scum (Grizzly) in her "Lean town category" and one scum (Stuart) in her "Neutral" category. Note from her: " Once I'm done with my re-reads, I'll update this."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6370226/ - "As of my re-reads right now, I'm struggling to get a real read on Zippedpinhead since a lot of it is coming off as neutral in my eyes at the moment. Nothing is jumping out at me as 'hey! I'm scum!' but honestly, I feel like nothing is shouting that he is town either."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6388317/ - Votes Zipped.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6411063/ - Unvotes Zipped. "While I'm still uncertain of how I feel about you right now, I don't feel like you are necessarily a lynch possibility for today." To DCPat: "I've taken the time to do a re-read of Fandorin since there have been new posts since my readlist. [...] Overall, his posts read very much like a townie but perhaps this is nothing more than a general gut feeling that he is town, however as of right now, I honestly don't read him as scum."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6415913/ - Votes Nin. " While all 3 choices on the table were initially on my neutral list, some of Nin's posts from last night have leaned my thinking more towards that he is potentially scum. It's just a gut feeling that something isn't quite right."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6418541/ - "I feel like there must be scum hidden within the people I feel are neutral. As I said above nin is leaning more scum to me so I feel fine with my vote as it stands but others that are curious to me are Geno, Zipped which I discussed before and yourself Kyan."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6418874/ - Grizzly: "empressdonna can I please get your read on Stuart444 that isn't just "eh I'm neutral". It feels like you are avoiding talking about him on purpose."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6419307/ - To Grizzly: "My current opinion is leaning heavily towards a new inexperienced townie that is just copying what he is seeing others do or advice given by his mentor."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6422405/ - Grizzly: " Can you elaborate about what posts from nin made you scum read him? And why?" Donna: [reads on Nin, ultimatly ends in...] "I admit it isn't the best reasoning in the world - that is part of the reason I said I'm leaning scum rather than him being outright scum. I just can't ignore my gut reaction that something is weird, it could be absolutely nothing and just me overreading things again and it is just a townie trying to track down potential scum but I just can't ignore this voice in the back of my mind that says something is strange or odd here."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6424295/ - Votes Xbro.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6425027/ - Grizzly: "It's something to keep in mind, at least. I'm more interested in Donna's vote though - she was sitting on Nin for quite some time, but moved swiftly to Xbro the moment he got more votes." - Donna: "I know that looks bad for me but I was looking at the vote tool and noticed he was the only one under 10 posts. I also don't remember any posts from him recently so I want to pressure him and get him to come out of hiding."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6426705/ - "This doesn't bode well assuming Geno is telling the truth. Why risk giving scum that advantage?"

My impression of her Day 2: There's a lot more activity here. A lot of it reflects poorly on her as I read it over. She has a fairly uninspiring answer for why she voted Sexy Fish in Day 1, when I asked her. Gives a slightly more in-depth answer when Nin prods her. Votes zipped, and then later unvotes him when he appears. Tosses her vote on Nin saying she gut reads him as scum. Grizzly calls her out on Stuart. We know now he was trying to bus his scummate. Grizzly also prods her on her reasoning for voting Nin, asksing for posts, which she doesn't provide. Ultimately ends with her vote on Xbro because he of his low post count. Xbro later claims to have shot Grizzly, which heavily implies he's town aligned. Was Grizzly trying to set up a bus on his teammate here with Donna? Or was he setting up to make her a mislynch later on?
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
Got Zipped done. I'm gonna try and get one more person before the day phase starts, and maybe a day 3 read on someone. Anyhow, here's Zipped:

Day 1

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6234953/ - "Grizzly, why did you unvote and not revote?" - Grizzly: "The unvote was due to Kyan appearing, since the vote was a poke vote. I didn't re-vote at that point because I had a talking point of Kyan in my mind more. But you're right, I should have re-voted, which I'll do now."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6235147/ - "Keeping people honest[.] In that same spirit, I want to find out more about one person." Votes DCPat
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6235948/ - Unvotes DCPat. "I know I have to battle some kids with dinner. I’ll finish the catch up later,"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6239541/ - Mechanics questions regarding dice and movement. I think these go unanswered by Faddy? Others certainly respond to them tho.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6248083/ - "It’s a game with a high degree of movement and complexity into the base game. Likely understanding movement, cards, and tokens will have little to do with the actual scum hunting of the game."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6250382/ - "See that's the reason why I asked, since no one was above 12 spaces rolled I could not tell if it was 2 six sided dice with the double mechanic in place from Monopoly, OR if it was 1 12 sided dice and no double mechanic. If someone moves more than 12 spaces tomorrow, then question answered, if not then question persists. However, I guess it probably doesn't matter."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6252398/ - Apollo votes him.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6252671/ - More mechanics speculation. Can anyone figure out which piece he's implying he isn't?
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6252887/ - More mechanics. "took a look at the cards on page 1 now that i'm on a PC, Oxford street is a death trap!"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6256339/ - Votes Kyan when Grizzly calls out the mechanics talk. " Currently, I think you, nin, and Apollo are playing pretty clean games, scum or town its straight mafia for you three. leaning more towards town than scum (because advancing reads and keeping players focused is a very town subject). Kyanrute is knee deep in the plight of the people and is about to start demanding their bread, (or are they the pigs sleeping in beds without sheets?) Its a pretty standard day 1 play for scum, play up the game theme rack up a decent post count and then hide in the inevitable day 1 last hour insanity."

Grizzly's D1 read of him: "zippedpinhead – I like zipped so far. He did discuss mechanics quite a lot early, but he also defended his posture of discussing them, which is a town sign for me. He is one of the few players who mostly discussed mechanics, yet I still town read them."

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6287124/ - "I hadn't responded to this yesterday, sorry for the delay. Its based on gut feeling around the two posts at the time. Apollo (along with the other two) seems focused on play as opposed to mechanics which is more of a town read. I'll have to catch up on any other of Apollo's posts of course."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6287383/ - "Now that I'm catching up. Only 2 more posts Apollo? kinda scummy."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6287469/ - "sticking by my Nin and Grizzly town read though. Gotta go and look at the rest of the top posters."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6299191/ - In regards to Xbro/Sexy Fish/Kalor - "That timing is just crazy, but would scum really all switch their vote at once?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6303660/ - When Brazil calls out the lack of votes: "we can't all be sportacus! Let's hunt Robbie Rotten, I'm sure he is scum. Sweetnicole, Why not Kyanrute or someone who recently switched off him? By your metric, a lot of people have switched off of him in the last two hours and we are nearing day end. Last game, when I replaced a scum after day 1, no one on scum team had an active vote at the end of day 1. Just saying, votes are weird. At the least I'm thinking that scum for sure would not be lining up on any one (or even two) potential lynches today."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6304984/ - "Kyanrute, do you scum read me because my votes on you or because of my posting? Its not clear in your reads post comrade!"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6305083/ - Votes Sexy Fish right at day end - "I don't like this vote, but I don't want to waste today"

My impressions of his Day 1: Brazil called him a chamelon, and he's quite right. I understand why he was a blindspot until now, and I have no idea how to take this information. I don't feel good about him, however. He doesn't place a final vote down until the last second, jumping on Sexy Fish. He has a LOT of mechanics speculation. Makes up a good chunk of his posts. Gets called out by Brazil over his lack of a final vote. Grizzly... town reads him? Interesting.

Day 2

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6348442/ - Mechanics/Night time speculation. "Maybe the thimble got hit by the "do not move" card last night."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6348511/ - "nevermind, its obvious from the flavor that Royal_flush got gunned down on Mayfair, which means that Bond is just plain gone now[.] so maybe two scum roles?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6348823/ - To Geno: "I think I figured out your piece..." - Geno: "Trust me you didn't."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6348922/ - Mechanics talk: "the swap card can be done in private or in public. I just think it was done in private during the night"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6349118/ - More mechanics talk: "Maybe, but still be careful without movement information. There are rules and a set number of cards, everything likely flows in an operation where roles/movements/cards are all subject to an order and resolved a certain way. scum (or whoever swapped you with that card) knows more about this than any of us."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6349208/ - Yet more mechanics talks with Geno.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6385943/ - Brazil: "I hate it so much that Zippedpinhead is there on the sidelines once again. I've seen this film way too many times."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6390874/ - "I’m sorry I’m out of pocket today. My kids say thank you though! My top two scum is Xbro and Ketkat. Primarily by post count and lack of town cred by what posts are there."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6397989/ - Grizzly: "Can you give more insight on why KetKat? I've been pretty consistently town reading her." - Zipped: "Purely based on her voting history yesterday (assuming Geno vs sexy fish is TvT) and her post count. It’s what I would do with a day 1 while on scum team. I’m projecting my place style on her that’s all."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6399860/ - Ketkat: "That's an odd thing to say. You voted for Sexy Fish and you posted less than me. Should we be assuming that you're using your scum playstyle?" - Zipped: "I play the same way every game, but one of my scum tells is day 1 shit posting. Hence the kyanrute vote for most of day 1. I’m biased against people who play similarly to me."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6412362/ - " Ok, I'm back today, It looks like I've missed a bunch of Nin Posts (including the nin/geno defense post from Brazil), Stuart444 getting the scum eye, and analysis of the Sexy Fish vote. Currently rereading the nin posts from page 8, the sweetnicole posts from page 7 and the Sophia posts from page 7 (on my rereads I try to focus on individual players to see if any contradictions exist)"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6418993/ - In regards to Kyan's post: "In your previous post, do you mean Geno for all instances of Apollo, or just some? I can’t follow it"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6423512/ - More RP talk with Kyan.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6423812/ - Votes Stuart - " food and jokes aside, Is stuart444 really who we want to go after today? Out of Xbro, Stuart444 and Fandorin I used to find xbro far more scummy than Stuart444. However, I Agree recent posts by Stuart444 are more scummy, but I don't see the Fandorin scum theory by Geno and Kyanrute. Maybe I'm not seeing it, but I just dont think that its there."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6426334/ - Post-Stuart claim. Stuart: "Because Nin is still my top scum pick and continues to be. Just because I feel another person is super scum isn't a reason to switch yet." Zipped: "So you are saying that You started last night within 12 spaces of mayfair? Were you given a list of tokens you could use or are you supposed to just use the board? theoretically you could have alignment checked any token except for the duck. (assuming you aren't the thimble and obviously not the Jailed train)."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6427249/ - After some clarification. Stuart: "Nope, I had no way of knowing if my scan would be a success. I had to use the map from the start of D1. Pick a token and scan it that was within my range." Zipped: "But you targetted a token, right? not a space. What were your results? some sort of verbiage preferably. did you get a town result? did it say proletariat? Did you ask what kind of result your would get (or lack there of) if your token target got moved out of range?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6427896/ - "when you are scum and your fake role ends up dead earlier in the game you just make up a new role. This is thin..."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6428038/ - Fandorin: "I just can’t get why the would Geno counter claim now and actually keep quiet about his scan. What the hell." - Zipped:" Its an ok move, he has reasonable doubt as to which token is his, so unless scum can target a player individually with death (because even with a token reveal power of some kind it would still likely take one extra day) he is as safe as any of us for at least 1 more day."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6428688/ - "If you survived who would you scan tonight?" - Stuart: "Either thimble or the Dinosaur[.] reason: Thimble has been there for 2 days now so why not[.] Dinosaurs are cool. Imagine the lynching. You'd need a big rope"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6428830/ - "So if you could target a player instead of a token, who would you scan?" - Stuart: "I'm gonna sound like a broken record but Nin. Considering how hard I went in on him and refusing to removed my vote. It only seems natural I would want to confirm or deny my feelings about him."

My impressions of his Day 2: Hmm... He spends a bit of the early day phase talking a lot about mechanics. Eventually he gets into reads. There's a bit of RP talk with Kyan that gives me a bit of a headach. He eventually votes Stuart (who turned out to be scum) and questions him significantly post claim. It's not a STRONG town tell, but it's better than nothing, to say the least. I feel better about this day phase from Zipped than I did his Day 1 performance.
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
And now KetKat, whom I think will be my final read. I technically have time to get Kalor too, but I want to get something to eat before the day phase starts.

Day 1

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6245548/ - Mechanics talk, in response to Zipped. The math was apparently wrong or something, as Geno corrrected her.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6258899/ - To DCPat: "Even if it seems obvious, its worth looking into. People make mistakes"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6262905/ - To Kyan: "I'm not seeing how its suspicious to want to keep that information a secret for now. I don't think anyone is saying that information can't be helpful later, but right now it only benefits one side to try and reveal who that piece is."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6273017/ - To DCPat about Kyan: "What do you think about the way he tried to reveal a token early on? And the way he tried to use that as a negative against Grizzly as well?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6274362/ - Followup to the previous. "Which I could definitely be reading into wrong because I am really struggling with everything Kyan says. To me, it felt like he [Kyan] was still willing to push for revealing C12."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6286061/ - "To be fair to Grizzly, I felt like it was a little role fishy as well. And DCPat also mentioned that we shouldn't role claim at the same time. I'm not saying that you're scum for speculating on the mechanics, but I can see where Grizzly is coming from pretty clearly."

Grizzly's D1 read on her: "KetKat – Like Stuart, a new player. However, I do feel lot better about KetKat right now that what I feel about Stuart. She hasn’t had that many posts, but what are there have been in my eyes all about trying to solve the game, and her posts feel genuine to me. It’s very early game, but for now I town read her, and wouldn’t want to lynch her."

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6289219/ - Calls out Apollo, Sexy Fish, and Royal.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6294068/ - "Between the two, I'm leaning towards Sexy Fish. The way he's acting is definitely not helpful to town in any way. I really hope we hear something from him before the end of the day. Stuart getting defensive is more understandable from being new to the game. Some of it is definitely odd, but I think we'd be fine just keeping in mind how he's acted today. I don't think any of it is far enough to really push for a lynch yet."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6294861/ - SexyFish votes Kyan. Ketkat: "So you don't think Kyan would be doing all of this if he was scum, but you're voting for him anyways? Can you sum it up a little better than a gut feeling?" SexyFish: "Either the roleplaying he's doing is just helpless for town or he's scum. Again, if that's just how he plays then I guess we should find another target and leave him be, but I have no previous info on him."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6296318/ - Kyan: "The interpretation by comrade Ketkat is understandable, but pushing for C12 reveal was not in this comrade's mind at any point." - Ketkat: "Yeah, rereading through that now, I can see how you were trying to just talk about the cards themselves and how those could be important. I still think it was a little strange to bring up revealing C12 in the first place with everything that implies, but I don't think you really pushed for it."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6298728/ - To SexyFish: "Well, you have a lot of votes on you already. Can you give us anything to go off of? Is there someone who you think is suspicious now that you've pulled your vote off Kyan?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6302540/ - Geno: "My vote will stay on Kyan for the foreseeable future of the game until he is out." - Ketkat: "I really don't like this. I get that his posts are hard to understand, but this just seems completely unhelpful."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6303498/ - Votes Geno. "There's too much around Geno that I just don't like. The slight role-fishing and the defense involved in it felt odd on their own, but actively keeping your vote in only one place because you don't like how a player types doesn't sit right with me. It certainly doesn't benefit town in any way to do something like that."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6303776/ - Regarding three people voting for Geno at once. Nicole: "Well that's not suspicious at all" Ketkat: "Brazil was already playing with the idea, and I think Sexy Fish is just scared of getting lynched himself. It felt like that with his kyan vote as well"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6304282/ - Grizzly: "So first sexy fish and xbro unvoted kyan at the same time, and then they both voted geno at the near same time." Ketkat: "Yeah, those two jumping on board the vote is definitely making me second guess it."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6304587/ - Votes SexyFish. "The way that Sexy Fish has been involved in votes today means that there's probably more to gain from figuring out who he is. It would definitely help us clear up what's going on between him and Xbro at the least. I still don't like Geno forcing his votes onto Kyan because of the way he types, but I feel that this will help us more."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6304733/ - Sophia: "So you're lynching him for information? Or do you think he's scum too?" - Ketkat: "I'm scum leaning on him, but its not like I have anything definitive. There's a lot of coincidences to be happening to one person, which could happen but raises my suspicions. Between the two of them, I don't like the way that Sexy Fish is acting more." - Sophia: "So it's just a gut feeling + lynch for information? That feels kind of weak, tbh. Same thing with Empressdonna's vote. Gonna read over the other votes on Sexy Fish as well."

My impressions of her Day 1: It doesn't seem like a bad day 1 for her. She's decently active and looks like she's prodding people and stuff. However, as I noted back then, her final vote on Sexy Fish was weak. It felt like a vote of information rather than a genuine vote against scum. But is this actually a scumtell? I'm not sure.

Day 2

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6347573/ - Speculation about the night kill
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6348209/ - Brazil: "Only being able to target tokens would be bizarre. They'd basically be shooting in the dark. I think it's safe to assume they can target players." - KetKat: "I'm not really sure we can say for sure either way yet. Either way though, there's not much we can do with what info we have today. Its more just something to keep in mind for later"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6348652/ - Geno: "I think I know what happened, I got swapped with someone else by either the cannon or the moneybag" - KetKat: "Its hard to say what happened without knowing where you ended up (please don't say), but is it possible that you ended up swapped with one of them which counts as landing on the chance card? Which then sends you to trafalgar square, and you roll at the end of the night?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6348831/ - Geno: "I'm not dumb, I'm not going to say. Question in my mind is that the swap card can be cast publicly, meaning we probably get a map update if it is used. Faddy never did that, leading me to believe that I wasn't swapped by the card at least." - KetKat: "Yeah, that's a good point actually. It probably wasn't the card and we just have a bus driver around here. And I didn't really want you to answer that, more just trying to help you figure out what's going on because that is pretty confusing."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6350690/ - Mechanics talk with Xbro: "Where does the 5 spaces come from?" - Ketkat: "Its the minimum number of spaces that would include only 1 person. I seriously doubt scum would go for a kill where they're the only one in range. Their range could be 7, 10, or even infinite. But more than 5 is a safe bet."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6368764/ - In regards to Geno's tunneling. Geno: "There isn't much to explain, I wanted to see how people would react to a situation like this, Ketkat, xbro and Fandorin's votes on me were interesting, so the experiment was worth it. However don't get me wrong, your posting style still annoys me, just not enough to lynch you over it." - KetKat: "So, it was all bait? I'm not sure I fully buy that yet, but we'll see. I have a pretty good idea of how you feel about Fandorin already, but how do you feel about the way me and xbro reacted?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6371858/ - Xbro votes Geno in Day 1. Ketkat: "Xbro, I'm going to need you to go a little more in-depth on all of this. The fact that you weren't caught up really makes me wonder why you went for Geno specifically over anyone else. Was there anyone else that you were leaning towards?" Xbro: "At the time, no. I didn't have many strong reads beyond that. My post was aimed to be posted shortly after your post, because you were the one I was agreeing with. The only posts I had not caught up with were the posts that popped up between the time I started the post and the time I finished the post. Between me being in class and on mobile, it took me 10 minutes to write that post. In that time, a couple more votes came into play."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6382483/ - "How do you feel about Geno now? Do you still think that he's scum? Any opinions on these? There's a few people leaning towards you right now, and I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this." - Xbro: "Nothing has really changed about Geno for me."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6384742/ - "Okay. Do you have any thoughts on the people voting/suspecting you right now? Do you have any reads you want to share?" - Xbro replies with (https://www.resetera.com/posts/6385154/) suspecting Zipped.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6390943/ - Nin: "Ketkat How about you join us. I need to have a talk with you about Geno" - Ketkat: "What do you want to know?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6395923/ - Sophia to Grizzly: "You didn't think there was anything odd about her vote on Sexy Fish?" - Ketkat: "I can understand how that might look odd to some people especially since I wasn't really explaining it well in the panic of the end of the day (I really wasn't prepared for just how hectic that feels). [...] If you're curious how I feel about Geno now, since that's kind of related, I feel better about him today than I did yesterday. I still don't really trust him, but I don't find it hard to believe that I fell for some bait like that. I'm still not sure what to make of his argument with Fandorin since it seems a little overly defensive when Geno's vote wasn't much better."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6398529/ - Calls out Zipped: "That's an odd thing to say. You voted for Sexy Fish and you posted less than me. Should we be assuming that you're using your scum playstyle?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6413722/ - Conversation with Nin about Geno + reads on Sophia, Grizzly, and Brazil. Ketkat: "And as for those 3 users. I feel pretty good about all 3 of them. Grizzly and Brazil have been putting in a lot of work towards helping town figure all of this out, so if they're scum, they're doing a pretty great job so far. Sophia's also been putting in work, but she hasn't left as big of an impact as those two have to me."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6421534/ - Ketkat to Stuart:" I don't like the way that Xbro is trying to coast by either, but I feel like you aren't really doing much about all the votes on you. What are your reads besides nin?" Stuart gave reads at https://www.resetera.com/posts/6422086/
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6423929/ - Regarding Stuart: "Yeah, I'm honestly surprised people are still putting us so close to that. Consider mine on him, but I don't like the idea of turbo'ing him."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6426315/ - Post Stuart claim: "That is a very large range, but not being able to see who you're checking seems like a pretty big drawback. I'm not sure how you would use that information on your own" "If you feel Xbro is scum and he's getting votes, I don't follow why you'd stick to Nin." Stuart: "It would seem too much like bandwagoning to me. I only planned on switching my vote if it became a 1:1 contest with someone just like anyone would do. Better them than you as they say."
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6427508/ - Post Geno counterclaim: "That's not really how we're seeing it. Geno had no reason to come forward with that because people were already doubting your claim, and if you end up lynched and innocent it just puts him in the spotlight. Its a massive risk for him, while your claim was to save yourself"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6427636/ - Stuart: "He had one strong reason to come forward. If I got lynched and he tried to claim cop later on. He would look far more suspicious than he wants to be." Ketkat: "But if he's scum, couldn't he just claim a different role? Why would he be locked into cop?"
https://www.resetera.com/posts/6429432/ - Votes Stuart, hammering the turbo just a few minutes before day end.

My impressions of her Day 2: I feel very good about KetKat right now. She's active, engaging in reads, provides a good explaination, is on the Stuart vote, converses with Stuart post claim, and hammered the vote at the end. For thosee reading this I have to ask: Is there anything scummy about her Day 2 performance? Because I'm not seeing anything. I think she's town based off this + Day 1, but I'd need to check her Day 3 to see if there's any inconsistencies. I liked how she called out Zipped too.
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
See anything objectionable in the impressions?

So prior to the day start, I went and took a look back at some people I didn't have the strongest reads of. People who blind spots to me. I managed to get through Day 1 and Day 2 for KetKat, Zipped, Empress Donna, and DCPat. Unfortunately, I didn't sleep well and I have a headache, so I didn't get to go through everything I wanted. Let me post my findings now.

<reads here>

TLDR: I feel poorly about empressdonna right now, not too great about Zipped and DCPat, and fairly good about KetKat. These impressions could change as I reflect upon Day 3 as well. I wanted to read over Kalor, but I simply did not get the chance.

This is what I'm going to post.
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
We might have to use that unlimited shot to potentially throw off the town at one point. I'd like to save it for as long as possible, however. Making it to endgame and not having it will be devastating if I get outed because of range.
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
"Why have limits on scum at all if three of the four/five scum can affect more than half the board?"

Questions I ask myself while crying to sleep at night. :p
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
I'm afraid to step away, because whenever I do the thread moves mountains.

It's like some sort of weird Schrödinger's cat crap. Whenever you observe the thread, it barely moves. The moment you step away everyone's suddenly in a rush.
 
Sophia, I like your post will respond to a few things tomorrow on PC. To much hassle quoting things on mobile.

Hope you will feel better!
 
We should kill Brazil before he gets to me and he reverts the read on you. Luckily you are still in range of a good ammount of tokens.
 
I really want to scumread Fandorin, but can't find it. It's why I stopped since he was next on my list.

Really don't have more time now tho
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
Then again, I may be overthinking this due to thinking about the balance; Two tokens did indeed land on the space directly ahead of the bombed area in Day 3.
 
Yea but it could buy me more town credit to do it now. If I do it later when I'm about to be lynched its weaker.

Although lately I've been worried there is a town version of my role.
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
Yea but it could buy me more town credit to do it now. If I do it later when I'm about to be lynched its weaker.

Although lately I've been worried there is a town version of my role.

Hmm.. well, I think how well you'd be able to sell your role depends on the targets you picked, rather then when you do it. And of course if there's a doctor in the town group (which I'm not sure is likely) then you'll have to fight them.
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
Brazil's reaction to us being scum is going to be hilarious tho.

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Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
As an aside, you kind of left yourself open to an angle once Donna flips town. You kinda go more aggressive on her after she scum reads you.
 
Yea, she beat me to it. It's why I've been hesistant to go against here, because I know how it will took on me. But I think her reasoning for her vote against me is really weak, so I have to go for that.

She has the best read atm tho haha. Just not really built a good case.
 
I'm better when people attack me. I'm still finding it pretty difficult to built scum and town cases against people I already know alignment of.
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
I'm better when people attack me. I'm still finding it pretty difficult to built scum and town cases against people I already know alignment of.

I had this problem at first. I literally had to start not giving a damn and just gungho it. Of the "Who cares if I get lynched?" variety.

I figured that'd backfire on me, but then Brazil started town reading me so...
 
I still literally have no townreading experience. I was town only in Buffy, but managed to get myself NK night 1 (by Brazil btw) and made the stupid decision to let the scum team be spoiled to me.
 
Haha.

I really wanted to lynch Nin now. That would've been so much better for us. He's your buddy, he'd understand.
 

Android Sophia

Miss Congeniality
More importantly: PRAISE JEEBUS A 48 HOUR NIGHT PHASE.

That meager 24 hours nearly killed me because I tried doing all those reads while sick. I need some time off from the game.
 
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