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heymonkey

heymonkey

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Welcome, team! You have no fake claims, but at least you have each other. Good luck, have fun, murder with abandon.

IF YOU DIE, DO NOT REVEAL YOUR TEAM IN THE GAME THREAD.

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FateShirou

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
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good evening team
 
FateShirou

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
react with a thumbs up or a down if you think my plan of claiming miller right away is a good idea
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Ayyy yo, this is a good team. Looking at the roster if we take out some of the more loud voices we can definitely move the thread.
 
Randomless

Randomless

Hello memers

I am just a goon.

I feel like with these rules people outside the game can help solve at night so we might have a difficult time.
 
FateShirou

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
vere didnt post their role
could they be a backstabber?
should we kill vere right now?
 
The Wizard

The Wizard

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First scum roll, this will be fun. With the open night chat I guess we might as well embrace the memes and chaos rather than planning anything too cute but that said I'm here for the weird gambits if we're feeling risky
 
FateShirou

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
ok so
Fate - Goon
Rando - Goon
Wiz - One-shot bulletproof passive
Vere - ????

4 mafia in a 15 player game is pretty high tbh....
 
FateShirou

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
Fate - Goon
Rando - Goon
Wiz - One-shot bulletproof passive
Vere - Two-shot Role Block
 
Randomless

Randomless

It me
Welcome to Mafia With a Twist! You are a Negroni, but can you be the best? Good thing you have your mafia friends to help you game the votes! Unfortunately, as a goon, all you can do is vote and utilize the factional kill (KILL: <PLAYER>). But you win when the mafia controls 50% of the vote!

The game thread is in the Hangouts forum.
The mafia thread is on OM. You'll find your teammates there. Good luck!
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Few things of note:
  • Seems like everyone is a cocktail, based off this and the sample PM. This would explain why we don't have fake claims, we can just use our normal names instead. However, I am wary of this, because maybe there's something unique separating Mafia cocktails from Town cocktails, like maybe Mafia cocktails are only stirred and Town cocktails are shaken, or something like that.
  • Mafia win con is control 50% of votes, Town win con from sample PM is eliminate all threats to town. What this tells me is there may or may not be a neutral, but if there is them staying alive is not, on its own, a threat to our win con, but might be to town's.
  • I am happy to be a gin-based cocktail lol, probably my favourite spirit to mix.
 
The Wizard

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You are a Moscow Mule, but can you be the best? Good thing you have your mafia friends to help you game the votes! As a Moscow Mule, you’re served in a copper cup, so you have a 1-use bulletproof vest. You also have access to the factional kill (KILL: <PLAYER>).
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Here's mine. Since we don't have fake claims I assume the drinks aren't too significant, although it does seem like they tie into the role in some way so bear that in mind if claiming.
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Welcome to Mafia With a Twist! You are a cocktail, but can you be the best? Good thing you have your mafia friends to help you game the votes! As a Margarita and a roleblocker, you get to spread a little salt around to stop other cocktails - twice per game, you may use BLOCK: <PLAYER> to stop a night action. You also have access to the factional kill (KILL: <PLAYER>).
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Here's mine too.
 
FateShirou

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
Welcome to Mafia With a Twist! You are a Sazerac, but can you be the best? Good thing you have your mafia friends to help you game the votes! Unfortunately, as a goon, all you can do is vote and utilize the factional kill (KILL: <PLAYER>). But you win when the mafia controls 50% of the vote!
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Here's mine too.
 
Randomless

Randomless

Yeah my plan is to just be natural as well. I am debating if I should be upfront about posting less this game. Regardless of what role I got it would've been the same. I'm coming back from a small hiatus and I can't no-life the game the same way as I did before because I've gotten a lot more responsibilities at my job. I've talked about this before with a few people in the game like Launch and Chuggs so they would back me up on it. I'll still probably be among the higher posters because that's just who I am but it's going to be more relegated to certain times of day when I'm free.

What do y'all think? I might just not say anything unless someone pokes me for not posting as much as normal.
 
FateShirou

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
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yall with gameplans lmfao
this is mafia, you dont know what shit town will throw D1
idk what time game starts/day ends...is it 6pm EST?
 
The Wizard

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Good luck and have fun scum mates.
I'll try and take it natural as well, which for me means starting with a random prod vote and then trying to develop one or two reads by end of day.
My random prod vote landed on Fate, so I think I can leave that sit for the first half of day 1 - I won't be pushing it hard so just bear in mind that I'll be "keeping an eye" on Fate but happily lose interest as the game develops.
 
FateShirou

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
i think we should ignore the thread state and push for a D1 bus :kappa:

~~im kidding~~
 
The Wizard

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Yeah I think bussing is overrated, in Team Rocket town was almost expecting it to the point where they tunneled on wagon on a D1 scum vote.

Crumbed my copper mug / bullet proof in my last post, won't make use of it unless I need it late game since town bulletproof wouldn't want to claim.
 
The Wizard

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Fate playing with fire with that gif lol.
Do you think town will follow through on Chuggs / Launch or is that mostly a meme?
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Let me see...I don't think so. This is a normal game with a twist so I doubt a tailor gets added. It could...just not very likely.
 
The Wizard

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Yeah night chat will be a disadvantage for us. I can see two ways we can make use of it with kill selection:
1. Suppress discussion from players who rely on interaction and back and forth discussion more so than read lists. I think Fran would fit this.
2. Target people who are confident on an incorrect scum pick to give them some confirmation bias
 
The Wizard

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Fate I'm gonna ask you about that gif you replied to the two weak read lists I got included on. I think I can drop you naturally if you ask someone else a question or apply some light pressure somewhere rather than going defense mode but that depends on what your usual town meta is.

@Verelios are you usually pretty polite in games? I can point it out and if it's typical it shouldn't go anywhere
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
The Wizard said:
Fate I'm gonna ask you about that gif you replied to the two weak read lists I got included on. I think I can drop you naturally if you ask someone else a question or apply some light pressure somewhere rather than going defense mode but that depends on what your usual town meta is.

@Verelios are you usually pretty polite in games? I can point it out and if it's typical it shouldn't go anywhere
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Casual, yeah. But polite? Ehhhh, it depends on how you see it. I like being amiable early game.

But go ahead and point it out, it makes good convo.
 
Randomless

Randomless

I'm gonna stay off Shirou today, I'll go for Ty or malus first assuming no great claims.

I think I've dissed him enough to set up a future bus or reverse bus (I go down, it makes him look better) if needed.
 
The Wizard

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I think there's enough confusion among town to not need to bus. Hoping malus shows up and provides something which is easy enough to pounce on. Ty is also active but not contributing, so that could gain some steam
 
The Wizard

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Having Fate in 2nd place with one of us on there would be a good outcome if we can swing it. I think he is the most likely of us to flip so far.
@FateShirou I'm thinking if you come back with a scum read or two with an accompanying vote it'll lower the pressure on you more so than all defense.
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Hmmm, Fate is currently in the lead with 3 votes. Let's hope people's misgivings about him shine through.
 
The Wizard

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Verelios said:
Not a great place mates.
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Anything you'd like to change? I think I can move to malus without too much suspicion but would need Fate to come back for it to not look off.
It's currently 4-3 and malus is making some interesting moves with his Fran read
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
The Wizard said:
Anything you'd like to change? I think I can move to malus without too much suspicion but would need Fate to come back for it to not look off.
It's currently 4-3 and malus is making some interesting moves with his Fran read
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No, don't move off lol. That would be terrible if either of you flipped.

We just have to hope town sees the blood in the water around Malus.
 
Randomless

Randomless

Fran wants to hear from Shirou but seems very open to a Ty vote. A potential good sign.

If Fran switches to Ty and Shirou self-preserves by also voting Ty, we'd be at 4-3, one of you could be "convinced" by Shirou and also move to Ty.

Shirou needs to come in with something good. Fran seems fussed with Launch, maybe Shirou could push that angle? Say he doesn't feel good about Launch and Ty but he has to vote Ty for self-pres, something like that.
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Randomless said:
Fran wants to hear from Shirou but seems very open to a Ty vote. A potential good sign.

If Fran switches to Ty and Shirou self-preserves by also voting Ty, we'd be at 4-3, one of you could be "convinced" by Shirou and also move to Ty.

Shirou needs to come in with something good. Fran seems fussed with Launch, maybe Shirou could push that angle? Say he doesn't feel good about Launch and Ty but he has to vote Ty for self-pres, something like that.
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That's good. Perhaps have a contrary POV, like Saw being iffy since she just fell off after being widely town read to make his read appear genuine.
 
The Wizard

The Wizard

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Verelios said:
No, don't move off lol. That would be terrible if either of you flipped.

We just have to hope town sees the blood in the water around Malus.
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Ideally if we can end with the two of us on Ty in 2nd place.

If one of us has to switch, I think it'd be better to be me because:
1. It's a first post vote and I have malus in my scum reads and I'm keeping an open mind on Ty
2. I have BP and can eat the vig shot if it raises too many alarms. If I save Fate, I think they would flip Fate first and might shoot me n1/n2
 
The Wizard

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I think if Fate comes in with a scum read that is not counter wagon / self preserve Fran will probably switch. But self preserve vote makes sense in a tie.
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
The Wizard said:
Ideally if we can end with the two of us on Ty in 2nd place.

If one of us has to switch, I think it'd be better to be me because:
1. It's a first post vote and I have malus in my scum reads and I'm keeping an open mind on Ty
2. I have BP and can eat the vig shot if it raises too many alarms. If I save Fate, I think they would flip Fate first and might shoot me n1/n2
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Uh...hopefully it doesn't come to that. Maybe ask Malus more questions and see if he trips up.
 
The Wizard

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Verelios said:
Uh...hopefully it doesn't come to that. Maybe ask Malus more questions and see if he trips up.
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Not gonna push it to hard as malus voting Fran is weird enough that I wouldn't scum read him. Ty might dig a hole and I wouldn't say no to it.
If Fate doesn't come back he's likely to flip. If he does there'll be a bit of chaos which it probably makes sense to hold out votes in place through.
 
FateShirou

FateShirou

ain't no law when you're drinking the claw
day ends at 6 you hecking donkies
i still got 90mins to go
my god, i could have played genshin to cool off from work
 
Randomless

Randomless

There's still time for town to town. Fran train is awful lmao but I can't jump on there, Fran was my P from PIK. I'm gonna switch to malus I think, I'll say Ty has trended up with recent posts, malus not really, Ty train is going nowhere and I prefer malus to Fran or Shirou.
 
The Wizard

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Hope this Fran train sticks, he had three of us in his protect list so getting him confirmed town in night chat would be great.
 
The Wizard

The Wizard

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Nice work team! Seems like there is a good amount of distrust among everyone, looking forward to seeing some crazy theories in night chat
 
The Wizard

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I'm wondering if my protection means we might have a neutral killing role.
Don't have any frontrunner for night kill just yet, I think it makes sense to keep the counter wagons of Fran and Ty around. Sparks and EC seem like they'll be worth keeping as well since they tend to set town off
 
Randomless

Randomless

I've never submitted a night kill as scum before despite being scum twice, so I'm not very good at it strategy-wise.

I would think there's two trains of thought with submitting the kill. Either you want the most townread scum to do it so you avoid being tracked, or you want the scum with the worst abilities to do it so if they're tracked it's not as big a loss. For the former I think it would be Vere or I, for the latter it would be Shirou or I. I am okay to do the kill, I don't really mind if nobody else wants to. If I got caught by a tracker I would probably just say I'm the doctor and they must've been strong killed, to try and bait a claim.

As for who to kill, I agree with Wiz that Fran, Ty, Sparks and EC are no-goes. I would throw Sneeks in there as well, because I think she could get protected. A lot of folks want to investigate Launch so leaving him alive might not be a bad choice, but he's pretty strong as town so we might want to hit there. I'd probably go for Launch or Hawthorn myself. Hawthorn has good reads as the game goes on and it doesn't seem like she has a ton of people against her as of now.
 
The Wizard

The Wizard

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Hawthorn is a good pick I think, she's off base on her scum reads and has a town lean on you Rando. Doesn't seem like she's likely to face much pressure from votes.
 
The Wizard

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That lovers claim is annoying but I'm tempted to think knocking out both Hawthorn and Chuggs would be a big win.

The downside is the potential of protection, list of potential doctors:
[He/Him] Funky Dude Sparks|FDS - UTC-5
[He/Him] EvilChameleon|EC - UTC-5
[He/Him] Stantastic|Stan - UTC+12
[He/Him] MrHedin|Hedin - UTC-5
[She/Her] Sawneeks|Sneeks - UTC-7
[He/Him] Fran - UTC-3
[He/Him] Ty4on|Ty UTC+1
[He/Him] LaunchpadMcQ|Launch - UTC-7

I believe Sparks Vanilla claim so I don't think we need to worry there.
I feel like Fran has been sticking his neck our more in a way that makes he think he doesn't have a critical power role (cop/doctor)
Need to check if anyone else may have softed or crumbed, Chuggs was pretty obvious I thought.
 
The Wizard

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I'm thinking Stan could have a good PR and that's why he might be flying under the radar right now.
Sneeks is a good backup if ye don't like the risk of going for the lovers tonight I think.
If we do go lovers, I'm not sure how to decide. I'm thinking doc would go Thorn and so Chuggs would make sense. Curious to hear your thoughts, catch up in the morning before day start. I think Rando or Fate submitting make sense. Maybe Rando so town can keep their scum Fran theory.
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
The Wizard said:
I'm thinking Stan could have a good PR and that's why he might be flying under the radar right now.
Sneeks is a good backup if ye don't like the risk of going for the lovers tonight I think.
If we do go lovers, I'm not sure how to decide. I'm thinking doc would go Thorn and so Chuggs would make sense. Curious to hear your thoughts, catch up in the morning before day start. I think Rando or Fate submitting make sense. Maybe Rando so town can keep their scum Fran theory.
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Hm. Since it's obvious doc would go thorn, I think they'd go Chuggs instead. So I still think we hit Chuggs hard.

As for Stan, I can RB him tonight if we're feeling lucky.
 
Randomless

Randomless

Yeah I think we gotta swing for the fences here. Claiming lovers isn't really a pro-town move, but because they did that any other power roles, like a Vig, Cop, Tracker, won't go for Chuggs or Hawthorn tonight most likely. If they're telling the truth about being lovers (and I don't see why you'd lie about that? Maybe if you were neighbours and not lovers and wanted to bluff) and we get 2 for 1 tonight that would put us in a very good position.

I think using the roleblock is worthwhile tonight even if we're not sure who might be a Doctor. Stan seems like a good choice but it is a bit of a shot in the dark.

I'll input the kill for now so I don't forget:

Kill: Hawthorn
 
Randomless

Randomless

I have no idea what to post in the thread. I feel like if I explain why I jumped around to Hedin that'll just make me look worse. The funny thing is I most likely would've done that as town anyway.

I'll post a reads list for sure. Probably this ordered list:

Town:
Fran
Vere
Sawneeks

Lovers:
Chuggs
Hawthorn

Light town:
EC
Sparks
Ty
Stan
Launch
Wizard

Light scum:
FateShirou
Hedin

Might move Fran down to top of light town and say I agree with ATP that ghosting after his vote count dropping was a bad look?
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Randomless said:
I have no idea what to post in the thread. I feel like if I explain why I jumped around to Hedin that'll just make me look worse. The funny thing is I most likely would've done that as town anyway.

I'll post a reads list for sure. Probably this ordered list:

Town:
Fran
Vere
Sawneeks

Lovers:
Chuggs
Hawthorn

Light town:
EC
Sparks
Ty
Stan
Launch
Wizard

Light scum:
FateShirou
Hedin

Might move Fran down to top of light town and say I agree with ATP that ghosting after his vote count dropping was a bad look?
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Moving Fran down is a good bet. It makes your post like reasoned. Hmmm, your light town is a little big though.
 
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