RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

[turmoil7]

What makes you say that?

I was under the impression you did, I think the second time you were on a chat was with Sorian's chat then?

 

[nin1000]

Vote: Sorian
That green check is so mafia it hurts.

 

[Aeleus]

Vote: Sorian
That green check is so mafia it hurts.

Who do you think are Sorian's partners here?

 

[Sorian]

Who do you think are Sorian's partners here?

I hate to ruin the joke but I know nin well enough to know that he’s going to say malus and Wizard

 

[Aeleus]

Adding to this he did seemingly breadcrumb this action on D2

Tbh, nin feels like someone I would investigate before voting out. He’s so likely to be a waste of time mislynch because he’s going to look scummy regardless and I don’t even know we get any good info if he is town.

I hate to ruin the joke but I know nin well enough to know that he’s going to say malus and Wizard

 

[Franconp]

This was Wiz last read list:

town:
Zipped
melon
Ty
Chuggs
Ael
nin
TWE
Muffin

PoE:
Natiko
Fran
Alexem
Sorian
Geno

I believe that he adds at least one partner in the PoE. Geno was town, I'm town and Natiko is neutral. That only leaves Alexem and Sorian. I believe one of them is scum.

On the town list we know that TWE was town and Zipped is basically confirmed. Nin is town if Sorian is town. That would leave us with Melon, Ty, Chuggs, Ael and Muffin. From that list at least one is scum, maybe 2.

 

[Sorian]

Sorian's weak green check would be easy to fake, they could have a gossip shot as part of a scum JOAT. Just saying for the late game.

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I'm having a hard time figuring out who could be scum among the remaining players.

Vote: Sorian
That green check is so mafia it hurts.

I’m not going to spend my time defending my PR usage, I left all the tools to figure it out in case I died. There are way too many role clears all over this game and I wouldn’t go out of my way to add another one for funsies. Even before adding Fran to the pile before knowing about him today, almost everyone else has verifiably proved something about themselves and you (nin) would actually be one of the worst people to fake this with since without the check, you would still be in the poe.

Wizard was very clearly trying to keep me front of mind so I could be a mislynch soon. The paranoia is only cute for so long before it stops making any sense.

 

[Sorian]

Also now that I’m awake a bit more

VOTE: Alexem

I don’t like that Alex sheeped the melon vote with barely any reason and bringing the sole vote so far up to three was unnecessary since planned or not, I don’t think we are getting more out of whatever melon is doing

 

[Aeleus]

This was Wiz last read list:



I believe that he adds at least one partner in the PoE. Geno was town, I'm town and Natiko is neutral. That only leaves Alexem and Sorian. I believe one of them is scum.

On the town list we know that TWE was town and Zipped is basically confirmed. Nin is town if Sorian is town. That would leave us with Melon, Ty, Chuggs, Ael and Muffin. From that list at least one is scum, maybe 2.

Fully agree with this.

I also think outside of nat, turmoil and capn this game is split into JOAT roles and evolution roles (where the base ability is always the same but the intent is the more xp you spend the better it gets)

JOAT: Sorian, Alexem(?), melon(not certain but pretty sure)
Evolution: Chuggs, Ty4on(?), Muffin, Aeleus

There's very likely scum in both categories

 

[Aeleus]

Does Sorian shots TWE last night after posting this:





I think that Sorian had the same idea that I had when TWE was talking about his role: that one of his abilities was a revive. That's why he received a list of who died before the day started.

Does it makes sense for Sorian to shot him the next night? I'm leaning no. They would at least wait a bit.

I'll add to the WIFOM of me and state that Sorian was pretty sure Zipped was a goner in our gossip chat (I disagreed and thought they'd target you)

This is 3 more scum right? From the hip without reading back (I'm not doing that until tomorrow morning) I'm going to shoot my shot on melon, Alex, and Muffin. I had a very stupid idea for a scum role that would explain Muffin's gossips and then Ael had an infinitely better idea (that I don't think they believe but I'm looking for scum here and Muffin is still a contender for me). But based on how shaky Wizard's claim was, I don't think scum had good claims to fall back on which is why I want to know what melon is trying to come up with here.

I'd agree with scum not having good claims and think they didn't even realise the JOAT/evolutionary split which led to Wizard's fake claim standing out and looking bad.

Also I am currently finding muffin suspicious but am hoping Alexem or melon will flip scum with a chat spying power of something of that sort which would ease my concerns.

Yeah, choosing you would have definitely been more fun

Rude.

 

[Aeleus]

I'll add to the WIFOM of me and state that Sorian was pretty sure Zipped was a goner in our gossip chat (I disagreed and thought they'd target you)

WIFOM of this*

Appears I have an ego problem

 

[turmoil7]

I can’t read now but don’t want ties
Vote: Neon

If we believe Alex is scum Wiz was busing him until the last minute of day 1, although he used his chance to switch to Neon

 

[Franconp]

The Wizard about Alexem:

When people say info flip I assume they mean the info gained from flipping the player as town (if the flip is scum that's just good for town and is not just "info")
What info do you think we get from a town Ty here?
Why do you bring up the timing of an investigate night action - would finding clarity on day three be bad here?

I'm not sure I follow, what stands out about Neon for you here?

The use of info flip on day one bothers me with Alex. Usually info flip is a few days in and there's some unresolved counterwagon it would be good to have the answer to.

I don't love this answer, it seems really wishy-washy and I don't come away with a clear sense of what you actually think of the players mentioned.

Expand on Alex (I'm leaning scummy) and Zipped (I have as null)

To me those reads feel pretty safe and consensus-y. (I haven't checked if he was early on any of them)

More hedgey reads from Alex here, I want a firmer stance from him.

I think Alexem's vote has the least conviction of what I've seen so far and his reads don't make me feel better. I think that's a solid pick for today.
Vote: Alexem

What makes you think the end of the train is town?

It’s interesting to Alexem fell out of contention cause I feel like that’s a wagon where the sentiment showed more interest than translated into votes. I could put some names and quotes here if I wasn’t lazy on mobile but you get the gist

I like Alex a bit more today too, that vote list looks more solid. The thing giving me pause is the wagon collapse, especially if Ty and AelSneeks are town, seemed like a good spot to park a vote.

Geno and Alexem on here, would flip Alex before Geno as I think it's weird that there was resistance to the vote there yesterday.

Wiz had an early scum read on Alexem D1. He called his reads safe (on D1 isn't that normal?). He voted for him. The votes at the time were:

Ty 4
Turm 3
Alexem 2
Captain 2
Sneeks 2

Wiz goes from this post:

More hedgey reads from Alex here, I want a firmer stance from him.

To a vote:

I think Alexem's vote has the least conviction of what I've seen so far and his reads don't make me feel better. I think that's a solid pick for today.
Vote: Alexem

The vote was only 30 minutes after the read and there were only 2 posts between both posts. It seems like a counterwagon more than a bus.

He keeps saying that he is suspicious that the Alex wagon felt apart but I don't remember being a lot of draw to it D1.

He then says he likes him a little bit more and never talks about him again.

I'm not sold on them being paired. The timming of the vote to me seems more on trying to create a counterwagon to Ty and Turm than a bus. His vote made the wagons:

Ty 4
Turm 3
Alexem 3

Why risk putting your partner 1 vote away?

But I think it's weird how Alexem goes from being one of his top scum reads to not being mentioned again.

I'm leaning on them being not paired but not 100% sold on that.

 

[Aeleus]

Why risk putting your partner 1 vote away?

I would need to go back to check (and I won't as I'm about to go dog walking) but wouldn't the same be said about his vote on Sorian day 4? And geno hadn't voted yet.

 

[Franconp]

Wiz on Ty:

I think I’m in a similar spot to Chuggs where I have an idea on the Ty situation but would rather hear it explained by Ty than cut it short

I mean I can say my sentiment it doesn’t feel like a slip, I just didn’t really feel like typing out maybe they meant it X way before seeing the reaction itself

I can say when I read it the second time I thought maybe he meant share as in collaborate on votes because the group on the lead vote each gain xp rather than it going to one person, similar to sharing xp among a rpg party regardless of who gets the last hit.
The misread explanation is simpler and as Febe points out more awkward. I feel like if it was a slip it could’ve been played off better than that.

I think the Ty moment is NAI but I want to see more from him outside of defense to get a better sense of where is at.

Yeah for me info means the town version of flip gets you somewhere. With a town!Ty, that would tell us that scum didn't see it as a true slip and knew the outcome if it looked likely to be the vote. So it's like marginal info.

For me it is more that I town lean on Ty and your post sets you up to turn a town flip from Ty into more scum reads in a way that scum will sometimes set up. When I looked at it felt more like filler scum will generate to mention a few names and keep their head above water for doing more than nothing but it didn't really hold up to scrutiny. This can be because you were sleepy or it can be inauthentic and you wanted to look good more than solve.

I like this post. I was a little worried I conflated not thinking Ty made a slip with Ty not being scum given how low-key he was by the end of yesterday but this is the kind of thing I like to see from Ty.

I like both Fran and Ty.

Why'd you say tonight here Ty?

Wiz didn't talked much about Ty besides D1. He was one of the ones who wanted to wait for Ty before calling it a slip. He doesn't think that Ty would be a good info flip. Ty goes from NAI to lean town. He says that he liked this post from Ty:

Damn, I was mafia in Danny Phantom with TheWorthyEdge 9 years ago.....

Anyways, he might've changed since then, probably quite a lot, but I am really not seeing the scum player I played with back then here. He's so effortlessly being town here.

It's literally a joke to him that someone thinks he's scummy.

And I'm not seeing why he thought this was a good post. It seems fine but not enough to town read it.

I think they could be paired.

 

[Franconp]

Wiz on Sorian:

It's odd to me that Sorian seems frustrated here, like he wants more people to pull on the Ty thread but doesn't want to do it himself.

If the "good" play is to not tunnel hard on a perceived minor slip why praise Geno for coming in and doing just that?

Sorian and Neon are the most bad vibes for me right now.
Neon I could see maybe getting ahead of the the Ty flip in the way someone with scum team insight might.
Sorian I think I clash with as he has a very aggressive playstyle which puts me on edge but in this game it feels loud and hollow to me.

The prodding here is okay but I'm looking at Sorian on Chuggs and it feels forced to me like the vote comes first and the justification follows.
I also find it notable that the push on Chuggs is a defense of Neon, the low hanging fruit angle feels like a stretch to me.
Vote: Sorian

I have less Sorian experience but it seems like he does the headstrong grandstanding bit as both alignments

Sorian has mellowed as the game goes on and one of my fears (that his hard defense of Neon was a chainsaw) is alleviated.

I could go Sorian here, of the louder folk it seems like he is solving the least imo

I don’t have a ton of games with you but I remember one game where you were town and you were very opinionated on your scum reads even when they were wrong. I’m not trying to say you should have single handedly flipped scum here, more just I want to get the sense that you care about what you’re saying.
Sorry if it feels like an unfair meta read.

FWIW I did consider just giving it to Zipped but figured scum have some way to circumvent it (a strong kill seems likely with what we’ve seen so far)
I also wanted to be a bit greedy in the skipped kill acting as a soft green check vs Zipped who I think is already just green

I do think Geno rolling over as the sole viable wagon is weird and giving me some doubts. I think he may do that but not sure what his team would be going for.
Vote: Sorian

I think you, Nat and Sorian and cross reference with malus

Wiz was scum reading Sorian early on. He voted for him really early. That vote feels like it could be a bus but he voted for him again yesterday and that vote doesn't.

Yesterdays vote on Sorian made the wagons:

Geno 4
Sorian 3
Melon 2

Geno was town so why put Sorian so close to Geno? (btw, Wiz vote is just a couple of minutes after Ael vote on Sorian and makes me think they are not paired). It's not like he needed to create a counterwagon. The last post from Wiz says that he would look at me, Natiko and Sorian. I'm town and Natiko is neutral. Would he add a partner to that list?

I'm thinking that they aren't partners. His vote D4 doesn't look like a bus to me.

 

[Hedin]

==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start

melonrabbit (2 votes)
Sorian - #3,054 #3,108
Chuggernaut - #3,082
Alexem - #3,095

Alexem (1 votes)
Sorian - #3,108

Sorian (1 votes)
nin1000 - #3,102

Not voting: Muffin, turmoil7, Franconp, Zippedpinhead, melonrabbit, Ty4on, Natiko, Aeleus

Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 31 Chuggernaut: 24 Ty4on: 18 Aeleus: 15 Sorian: 13 Franconp: 10 turmoil7: 6 Muffin: 4 Alexem: 3 Natiko: 3 nin1000: 2 Zippedpinhead: 1

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[Ty4on]

[...]

Actually let me throw this to the class here.

(Late Neon votes by Captain, Wizard, malus, Blarg, Zipped)

Do you think scum is bold enough to pull this and if yes or are they more concerned with looking good at EoD, who do you think is the most likely scum out of these 5

Gut reaction malus has the worst there followed by captain

This seems to be the strongest malus read Wizard had before the peek.

I do wonder if he was consistently townreading town and scumreading scum. He did scumread both Neon and Captain, but with some caveats and other than that I see a lot of flipped townies townread by him.

 

[Ty4on]

From what I could see Wizard did townread melon.

 

[Aeleus]

Wondering why TWE was the night kill, could be that scum had a similar theory to Sorian but these are his last reads.

Melon, Ty, Muffin I'm willing to vote. I don't want to vote either Sorian or Geno. I'm getting bad vibes right now similar to the Neon vote.

Worth noting that if geno flipped scum he was going to focus on melon so with geno being town he might have felt differently? Not sure.

I'd argue this gives credence to Sorian being town. Even if he believed TWE had a strong role I'm not sure he'd be arrogant enough to kill one of his primary defenders when he was just finished being the rival wagon to town geno.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Ok so Franconp killed scum at night, and Sorian has given a green check…

@Sorian you are saying your green check was a weak check? I.e. if you Had found scum you would have died?

 

[Aeleus]

Ok so Franconp killed scum at night, and Sorian has given a green check…

@Sorian you are saying your green check was a weak check? I.e. if you Had found scum you would have died?

That was his claim to me yes

 

[Sorian]

Ok so Franconp killed scum at night, and Sorian has given a green check…

@Sorian you are saying your green check was a weak check? I.e. if you Had found scum you would have died?

That’s right yes, I was actually trying to die because it would have been easier which is why I ran into an unknown.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

@Sorian i dont believe you, why would your alignment check have a strict downgrade to mine (especially since mine is not my primary ability)

vote : Sorian

 

[Zippedpinhead]

It just doesn’t make sense based on what I see from the game.

The way another (now flipped) player had my basic ability (my level 1) at a higher level it did not have a downgrade (either way, it was just plain the same ability between the two)

Since my alignment check is a level 2. It doesn’t strike me another would have that ability but worse.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I know this is a read based on mechanics, but it’s more a reading into how the lie of a weak green check is being presented.

 

[Aeleus]

It just doesn’t make sense based on what I see from the game.

The way another (now flipped) player had my basic ability (my level 1) at a higher level it did not have a downgrade (either way, it was just plain the same ability between the two)

Since my alignment check is a level 2. It doesn’t strike me another would have that ability but worse.

I don't disagree that we have too many investigative powers claimed (its another reason I'm up for a Sorian v Alexem quasi thunderdome) but I would remind you that my 6xp power is arguably worse than HP and blarg's 2xp power.

 

[Sorian]

@Sorian i dont believe you, why would your alignment check have a strict downgrade to mine (especially since mine is not my primary ability)

vote : Sorian

My power isn’t an alignment check, I just used it that way so yes you are technically correct (yes this is me backtracking publicly but I told the right info to Aeleus privately). I hid with nin, not checked him but I’m trying not to allow people to wiggle around that green check so thank you for pushing that for no reason.

 

[turmoil7]

My power isn’t an alignment check, I just used it that way so yes you are technically correct (yes this is me backtracking publicly but I told the right info to Aeleus privately). I hid with nin, not checked him but I’m trying not to allow people to wiggle around that green check so thank you for pushing that for no reason.

Do you die if you hid behind scum or not? How it is not a green check then (unless you talking about Nin maybe being a neutral)

 

[turmoil7]

What tier was that ability? T1 or T2

 

[Sorian]

Do you die if you hid behind scum or not? How it is not a green check then (unless you talking about Nin maybe being a neutral)

I do die if I hide behind scum but there is a very functional difference between a weak alignment check and a hider that I’m honestly not going to point out because this is pointless, I think nin is town and I wanted to give as little wiggle room to that claim as possible.

What tier was that ability? T1 or T2

Hiding was tier 1 and gossip was tier 2

 

[Chuggernaut]

Also now that I’m awake a bit more

VOTE: Alexem

I don’t like that Alex sheeped the melon vote with barely any reason and bringing the sole vote so far up to three was unnecessary since planned or not, I don’t think we are getting more out of whatever melon is doing

not to just sheep this too but I’m planning on ending up here today as well. Just think it’s safer than Melon and Muffin

 

[turmoil7]

Having an investigation as T1 the optimal play would had been to switch to the main wagon on D1 to use it on N1.

Also the overlap of investigation abilities on early tiers is weird.

What tier was Fran's tracker skill? Did he claim it?

 

[Sorian]

Having an investigation as T1 the optimal play would had been to switch to the main wagon on D1 to use it on N1.

Also the overlap of investigation abilities on early tiers is weird.

What tier was Fran's tracker skill? Did he claim it?

No one is ever killing me on night 1, I’m not going to humor voting out an obvious town wagon for like no optimization

 

[Franconp]

not to just sheep this too but I’m planning on ending up here today as well. Just think it’s safer than Melon and Muffin

Why Alexem? Do you think that Wiz bus Alexem D1?

What tier was Fran's tracker skill? Did he claim it?

No, I didn't claim. Does it matter?

 

[Sorian]

No, I didn't claim. Does it matter?

Turm is trying to conspiracy that my role and your role are similar and also similar to the other investigation powers we’ve seen and that it’s too much at low tiers. It’s just a very round about way of allowing him to tunnel on me more.

 

[Franconp]

Ty on Wiz:

Early town read:

I would avoid shooting Chuggs, TheWorthyEdge and maybe Neon and Wizard. Others are for the most part null.

When Wiz says that he wants to vote Alexem Ty agrees:

Just as I was wanting to vote Alexem.

There's the worry it's a playstyle thing, but I dislike the lack of commitment:
A lot of "It could be good, but it could also be bad".

Wiz is still a town lean:

Town lean
The Wizard - Good prodding

On D3 when he made his PoE Wiz is in there:

Begrudgingly I think Geno is probably town.

I need to get my poe finished. We've got:

Spoiler: Players

melonrabbit
nin1000
Sorian
Ty4on
Franconp
Chuggernaut
Alexem
turmoil7
Zippedpinhead
Muffin
The Wizard
TheWorthyEdge
Aeleus
Geno
Natiko

So my poe would be something like:

Spoiler: PoE

melonrabbit
Sorian
Franconp
The Wizard
Natiko

Maybe:
Alexem
turmoil7
Muffin
TheWorthyEdge

Which is way too big

This is what he said in his trusfall:

The Wizard
Has made some decent observations and reads.

I'm not liking it. Some early town reads, then not much else and then he is part of his PoE. I can see partners here:

Vote: Ty

Ty, why it's not you?

 

[Franconp]

Turm is trying to conspiracy that my role and your role are similar and also similar to the other investigation powers we’ve seen and that it’s too much at low tiers. It’s just a very round about way of allowing him to tunnel on me more.

If you are a hider my role is nothing similar to that.

 

[Sorian]

If you are a hider my role is nothing similar to that.

He's lumping it all under the "investigation" umbrella so not literally the same, just so we are all clear.

 

[Sorian]

@Sorian i dont believe you, why would your alignment check have a strict downgrade to mine (especially since mine is not my primary ability)

vote : Sorian

Happened to go look at the vote tool and your vote doesn't count because of the extra space between vote and : just fyi

 

[Ty4on]

I'm not liking it. Some early town reads, then not much else and then he is part of his PoE. I can see partners here:

Vote: Ty

Ty, why it's not you?

Because my Wizard read is so bad. Early on I leaned town on him, but as the game went on I kinda forgot he was playing and put him in my poe because I had so few memories of him. My trustfall is so vague because I've mostly forgotten what made me townread him on D1.

If I had been his scummate I would've tried to make a better read of him. Either double down on scumreading him when I put him in my poe or have a better reason for townreading him like in my trustfall. Case in point is Natiko where my trustfall is strangely detailed since I knew he was a claimed neutral, but didn't want to out him.

Unrelated to all of that I looked back and found this interesting

Still catching up but so far I really like this post:

For me it is more that I town lean on Ty and your post sets you up to turn a town flip from Ty into more scum reads in a way that scum will sometimes set up. When I looked at it felt more like filler scum will generate to mention a few names and keep their head above water for doing more than nothing but it didn't really hold up to scrutiny. This can be because you were sleepy or it can be inauthentic and you wanted to look good more than solve.

Also this neutral speculation is a red flag for me, as scum are often eager to solve neutrals (the only part of the game they can solve alongside town)


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I don't love this answer, it seems really wishy-washy and I don't come away with a clear sense of what you actually think of the players mentioned.

Feels like genuine investigation.

On the other hand I don't like this post:

...

(Where am I? Am I awake? Why does my head hurt?)
(How long have I been asleep?)

[NORMAL TALK]

Since it looks like night time talk is going to happen at... inconvenient times for me to catch up, I wanna let one thing be known now, roughly 23 hours in advance:
I'm unlikely to be able to move my vote around at day's end with full information. I'll keep my vote where I think it's best tonight, and catch up when I can in the morning, but it's gonna be rough due to the deluge of info.

[/NORMAL TALK]

...Whatever.
(Some people positing that scum sharing exp could make sense to balance things for them. I disagree with this notion. Assuming scum has a similar role PM to the information I have, I have to assume scum has 3 abilities each, with successively increasing xp costs. Pooling experience for them feels like it would be imbalanced. Maybe this is important? Maybe it's not. At THIS PHASE probably not.)

...I can't really be bothered.
(Some players yesterday were asking me questions about my "Squall-isms", in a way that felt somewhat role fishing. THAT SAID, neither of them arise as logical questions from the publicly available information we have (the sample PM). That PM has only xp abilities, and someone asked me if I had to type "...whatever" once per page for my role. Based on the publicly available information, and the information I have about my role, I don't see reason to believe that roles exist outside of the powers we have. Feels like a fishing question, and it's something that raised an eyebrow for me.)

Hardly feels worth it.
(Furthermore, the sample PM also does nothing to indicate anything about role names here. I was asked if my role was specifically Squall. That's a jump to make based on the lack of information about role names present publicly. Also rubs me a bit the wrong way.)

Insinuating role fishing from obvious joke posts, I don't know. Feels like trying to manufacture content.

It's malus' only read on Wizard that I found back then, but it really looks like a player who isn't focused on bussing.

 

[melonrabbit]

Thoughts over coffee.

I don't think I'll get clarification of movement and maybe it's best for town if I'm solved anyway. I'm JOAT and your friendly neighborhood Rogue.

Hide, Track and Commute are my tiers.

Hide seemed pointless so I waited until N2 and tracked Nat and he did not move which is why I assumed Sorian was the shopkeeper.

Nat visit with Ty has me ???

If we question Ty it brings back Slipgate on a shared pool of xp. It would also mean Nat is scum and is earning xp for them or has limited gacha slots and one of his other was faked which I'd lean more towards Alex with that item since we haven't seen any scum abilities to counter all these town gossip shot/role or whatever we're calling them.

… But the above depends on movement and I doubt I actually have anything and just feel dumb for wasting my shot.

I don't think I'm much suited to solve or play better so I'm fine if I need to be the vote today for town.

 

[Ty4on]

Hide seemed pointless so I waited until N2 and tracked Nat and he did not move which is why I assumed Sorian was the shopkeeper.

Nat visit with Ty has me ???

I am pretty sure Natiko’s ability is day since I gained access just after the night started. I assume day ability means he wouldn’t be seen targeting anyone at night unless he also had a night action.

 

[Alexem]

I'll freely admit that I'm stumped here. I've not got any more information of my own to work with, so with all the claims flying around I'm just tying myself into knots. All I can say with absolute certainty is that I wouldn't vote for Zipped, Fran or Natiko, and that's just stating the obvious by now.

 

[Muffin]

Sent my chat command, so that's decided.

Vote wise, I think I am gonna go with Ty here. Partially because of the commuter claim, partially because he is in a similar blindspot like malus and Wizard for me, and partially so Geno is satisfied over in spec chat.

Vote: Ty

 

[Muffin]

I do also think melon doesnt look too good here claim wise but I've been townreading them from interactions in the early days, so I think I wanna hold off on that.

After that it would probably be Sorian, and that's more of a risk/policy vote, which I don't like. There has been some stuff raising my eyebrows but I don't got too much of a lean there.

 

[Natiko]

Thoughts over coffee.

I don't think I'll get clarification of movement and maybe it's best for town if I'm solved anyway. I'm JOAT and your friendly neighborhood Rogue.

Hide, Track and Commute are my tiers.

Hide seemed pointless so I waited until N2 and tracked Nat and he did not move which is why I assumed Sorian was the shopkeeper.

Nat visit with Ty has me ???

If we question Ty it brings back Slipgate on a shared pool of xp. It would also mean Nat is scum and is earning xp for them or has limited gacha slots and one of his other was faked which I'd lean more towards Alex with that item since we haven't seen any scum abilities to counter all these town gossip shot/role or whatever we're calling them.

… But the above depends on movement and I doubt I actually have anything and just feel dumb for wasting my shot.

I don't think I'm much suited to solve or play better so I'm fine if I need to be the vote today for town.

Yeah, I didn’t get any clarification from Hedin. All I know is that my command has to be in before day end. You’re welcome to ask Fran, Alex, or Ty - it’s very clear what my chat is and that I am the shopkeeper and that it works as described. I wouldn’t be able to fake Hedin announcing the rules of the transaction and the closing of the chats, and they can all corroborate the same details.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Vote: Alexem

Melons claim is whatever but I’m not super shocked by it in the long list of oops all joats.

To answer Fran from earlier, yeah I think Wiz could have easily been busing there. Fits that real well actually. I do not think it’s Ty and I will die on that hill

 

[melonrabbit]

yall were pushing for a claim and now yall don't even care. rude. :(

Yeah, I didn’t get any clarification from Hedin. All I know is that my command has to be in before day end. You’re welcome to ask Fran, Alex, or Ty - it’s very clear what my chat is and that I am the shopkeeper and that it works as described. I wouldn’t be able to fake Hedin announcing the rules of the transaction and the closing of the chats, and they can all corroborate the same details.

thinking my role is pretty useless with all the day commands floating around and no counter-tracking for that.

 

[melonrabbit]

I do also think melon doesnt look too good here claim wise but I've been townreading them from interactions in the early days, so I think I wanna hold off on that.

Uh, have you?

and what would you like me to claim? Egg Guy is already taken.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Okay but for what the actual fuck was that Easter role that’s somehow getting more confusing as this game goes on

 

[Aeleus]

No reason Hedin couldn't include a second egg guy, if I was desiging the game I'd have included an egg guy sniffer.

I quite like melon's claim tbh, if it's a lie then its something they've been cooking for a while which doesn't match the loose, unconcerned playstyle I've seen from them.

I need to read what malus/wizard said about ty4on but at the moment I'm feeling the Alexem vote.

 

[Muffin]

Uh, have you?

and what would you like me to claim? Egg Guy is already taken.

Yes, I have.

I'm also townreading melon pretty strongly just from the interactions yesterday, and from looking at voting behaviour, I have a bit of a bad feeling about TWE.

 

[Sorian]

Melon’s claim is fine, it’s basically what I was expecting so either she thought it out or it’s just real. I was re-reading Wizard and then I re-read Alexem and honestly maybe I’m seeing things at this point. Their play is very similar except for Wiz being more aggressive but it’s like neither of them was trying to push the game forward. It’s a lot of commenting on what’s going on and then not leading us anywhere. Even Wiz who came to push on me a ton never actually like pressed the game enough to get me dead which now just feels like he wants to set up the next mislynch after Geno.

I agree with a lot of Fran’s conclusions but I do think Alex and Wiz could be teamed, nothing that I’ve seen disqualifies a pairing here at all. Wiz never put Alex in real danger and he hopped off that day 1 vote fairly gracefully before it would have mattered after which he never came back to it.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Melon’s claim is fine, it’s basically what I was expecting so either she thought it out or it’s just real. I was re-reading Wizard and then I re-read Alexem and honestly maybe I’m seeing things at this point. Their play is very similar except for Wiz being more aggressive but it’s like neither of them was trying to push the game forward. It’s a lot of commenting on what’s going on and then not leading us anywhere. Even Wiz who came to push on me a ton never actually like pressed the game enough to get me dead which now just feels like he wants to set up the next mislynch after Geno.

I agree with a lot of Fran’s conclusions but I do think Alex and Wiz could be teamed, nothing that I’ve seen disqualifies a pairing here at all. Wiz never put Alex in real danger and he hopped off that day 1 vote fairly gracefully before it would have mattered after which he never came back to it.

Yeah but sure had a lot to say about it not quite taking off despite not doing any real work on making that happen. Like that’s kind of the sweet spot for a bus there

 

[Hedin]

==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start

Ty4on (2 votes)
Franconp - #3,137
Muffin - #3,145

Alexem (2 votes)
Sorian - #3,108
Chuggernaut - #3,148

Sorian (1 votes)
nin1000 - #3,102

melonrabbit (1 votes)
Sorian - #3,054 #3,108
Chuggernaut - #3,082 #3,148
Alexem - #3,095

Not voting: turmoil7, Zippedpinhead, melonrabbit, Ty4on, Natiko, Aeleus

Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 34 Chuggernaut: 28 Ty4on: 22 Sorian: 21 Aeleus: 19 Franconp: 13 turmoil7: 9 Muffin: 7 Zippedpinhead: 5 Alexem: 4 Natiko: 4 nin1000: 2

Current Countdown:

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[turmoil7]

Ty's play on D1 makes no sense to me if he is scum.

Alex could be scum, I don't remember him ever leading in a push for someone, fits with being scum hiding at the sides.

Sorian could had left fake breadcrumbs for a fakeclaim, it's nothing unheard of in this community.

Still processing melon's claim

 

[melonrabbit]

(I still am still confused why town has all these gossip roles and scum doesn't seem to have a counter/equivalent)

So we have three scum left we've decided for balance purposes, yes?

Between Ty v Alex. There are ppl on both wagons idk if I trust (Muffin, Chuggs) but I feel good about both Fran and Sorian and while I've felt mostly fine to good with Ty. What Fran brought up with Wiz knowing the shopkeeper does bug me and the only ppl that could've shared that with Wiz are nin (pretending to miss the chat), Fran and Ty.

Fran I don't see it all. So between nin and Ty the only way nin works is if Sorian is also scum with the green check.

malus, Wiz, nin, Sorian and ???

idk who you'd put as fifth there. I guess Ael and they are the scum gossip counter.

Or: malus, Wiz, Ty, ???, ???

For now I'm leaning Ty. But I could also see Alex and Ty being scum.

 

[Muffin]

I don't feel like gossips really need a counter.

 

[Muffin]

Feels more like a design choice to sow confusion

 

[Ty4on]

Off the dome probably something like this:

town:
Zipped
melon
Ty
Chuggs
Ael
nin
TWE
Muffin

PoE:
Natiko
Fran
Alexem
Sorian
Geno

I would be happy to move the shopkeeper out of the PoE based on the way malus reacted at day start. I think Sorian is a good place to look and I'll probably move my vote there if things stay stagnant

I'm still bothered by this. Obviously I know that I'm town, nin has a lot of things pointing towards him being town, it makes sense for Natiko to be neutral and malus questioned me a bit about the shopkeeper so it seems like they didn't know about it. How does Wizard know TWE isn't the shopkeeper before he claimed? If scum rolecopped TWE, why would they kill him at night?

The people in green below had claims outing them as not shopkeeper. Melon was kinda outed as not shopkeeper by Fran using male pronouns.

Zipped
melon
Ty
Chuggs
Ael
nin
TWE
Muffin
Natiko
Fran
Alexem
Sorian
Geno

 

[Ty4on]

(I still am still confused why town has all these gossip roles and scum doesn't seem to have a counter/equivalent)

So we have three scum left we've decided for balance purposes, yes?

Between Ty v Alex. There are ppl on both wagons idk if I trust (Muffin, Chuggs) but I feel good about both Fran and Sorian and while I've felt mostly fine to good with Ty. What Fran brought up with Wiz knowing the shopkeeper does bug me and the only ppl that could've shared that with Wiz are nin (pretending to miss the chat), Fran and Ty.

Fran I don't see it all. So between nin and Ty the only way nin works is if Sorian is also scum with the green check.

malus, Wiz, nin, Sorian and ???

idk who you'd put as fifth there. I guess Ael and they are the scum gossip counter.

Or: malus, Wiz, Ty, ???, ???

For now I'm leaning Ty. But I could also see Alex and Ty being scum.

You're missing two other options for Wiz's slip.
- Natiko is scum
- Scum had enough information to pinpoint the shopkeeper
If scum know that you can't be the shopkeeper because Fran used male pronouns and for whatever reason also know TWE and Sorian can't be the shopkeeper then they're able to eliminate everybody except Natiko.

 

[Ty4on]

I guess Fran could also be scum, but least likely option by far

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Why Alexem? Do you think that Wiz bus Alexem D1?



No, I didn't claim. Does it matter?

What level a skill is doesn’t matter in a vacuum. Maybe you can draw some knowledge if that skill pops up again as a different tier on another player though.

Maybe you have already mentioned it by the time I have posted this, but I would not say which tier it was. I honestly only mentioned mine as support for the malus red check

 

[Sorian]

Ty being the one to dig into this is kind of fucking weird because the only two conclusions is a rolecop or you, Ty, are scum and told your team who the shopkeeper was. Like, I'm sorry but I'm not entertaining Nat as being scum, if he was a costume account maybe but just his name goes out there immediately night 1 to the first person he invites? There's no way.

-----

I echo the sentiment that gossip doesn't inherently need a counter. If anything, Aeleus is kind of a bone for scum because they are setting up double kills whenever they use their chat.

 

[Ty4on]

Ty being the one to dig into this is kind of fucking weird because the only two conclusions is a rolecop or you, Ty, are scum and told your team who the shopkeeper was. Like, I'm sorry but I'm not entertaining Nat as being scum, if he was a costume account maybe but just his name goes out there immediately night 1 to the first person he invites? There's no way.

-----

I echo the sentiment that gossip doesn't inherently need a counter. If anything, Aeleus is kind of a bone for scum because they are setting up double kills whenever they use their chat.

It's not weird when I have a green role PM lol

 

[Aeleus]

I don't think scum needs a counter for the chats but with it being a design choice for this game it would be weird if scum didn't have any way to be part of that design. Doesn't mean there's definitely scum between me, Sorian and Muffin could just be a power to read a night chat/message (I could see it as part of a JOAT and with blarg's poison still unaccounted for I'm fairly sure there's still another to flip)

 

[Sorian]

It's not weird when I have a green role PM lol

Ok? I'll be more specific since that did come out a little like I was just shading. You trying to push this theory reads like damage control. I see what Fran is pointing out but this just as easily could have been Wizard making a fake reads list and assuming the shopkeeper had to be in his "scum reads" considering there is a world where scum just didn't know who the shopkeeper was and that was the one thing Wizard could actually latch onto for solving without acting. I know melon brought it up but they really do just feel like town flailing here so whatever, I feel like you thought are more concerned about this than everyone else was which reads like guilty conscience and trying to jump to the first conclusion of "actually Natiko is scum" as your first counter theory is insane to me.

 

[Ty4on]

Ok? I'll be more specific since that did come out a little like I was just shading. You trying to push this theory reads like damage control. I see what Fran is pointing out but this just as easily could have been Wizard making a fake reads list and assuming the shopkeeper had to be in his "scum reads" considering there is a world where scum just didn't know who the shopkeeper was and that was the one thing Wizard could actually latch onto for solving without acting. I know melon brought it up but they really do just feel like town flailing here so whatever, I feel like you thought are more concerned about this than everyone else was which reads like guilty conscience and trying to jump to the first conclusion of "actually Natiko is scum" as your first counter theory is insane to me.

... what?
I didn't conclude Natiko is scum.

This word salad is just confusing to me so I'll just take the easy option and stop overthinking it.
Vote: Sorian

 

[Sorian]

... what?
I didn't conclude Natiko is scum.

This word salad is just confusing to me so I'll just take the easy option and stop overthinking it.
Vote: Sorian

Literally your first counter argument:

You're missing two other options for Wiz's slip.
- Natiko is scum
- Scum had enough information to pinpoint the shopkeeper
If scum know that you can't be the shopkeeper because Fran used male pronouns and for whatever reason also know TWE and Sorian can't be the shopkeeper then they're able to eliminate everybody except Natiko.

But yeah sure, so you, Alex, and..... I don't even know here.

 

[Franconp]

This are the remaining players:

[Any] Sorian - UTC-6
[He/Him] Alexem - UTC+0
[He/They] Chuggernaut|Chuggs - UTC+6
[He/Him] Natiko - UTC-5
[He/Him] Ty4on|Ty - UTC+1
[He/Him] Franconp|Fran - UTC-3
[He/Him] Muffin - UTC+1
[They/Them] Aeleus - UTC+0
[They] melonrabbit|melon - UTC-8
[He/Him] Zippedpinhead|Zipped - UTC-6
[He/Him] nin1000|nin - UTC+1
[He/Him] turmoil7|turm - UTC-3

I'm town. Zipped is town. If Sorian is telling the truth Nin is town. Turm is very likely town (a kill was prevented N3 and Wiz tried to claim a protection role so Turm didn't get cred for that). Natiko is neutral.

That leaves us a PoE of:

Sorian
Alexem
Chuggs
Ty
Muffin
Ael
Melon

Sorian claimed hider/gossip. Alexem claimed a lie detector, something else?. Chuggs is a fruit vendor. Ty claimed commuter. Muffin is a gossip. Ael is lover. Melon have hide/track/commute.

How many protective roles does town have? Neon had several protections, Febe was also a bodyguard, HP could make a target ascetic and nexus (and both affected night kills). Does it makes sense of town having also a 2 hider shots (this are really weak) and 4 commute shots.

How many investigative roles town have? Febe had a cop shot. Zipped had one. Sorian and Melon have hider shots (this are weaker but a green check is good). We have 2 track shots. Lie detector is kinda of an investigative role.

We have 3 chats (without counting Natiko's).

What doesn't fit here?

 

[melonrabbit]

Natiko is scum

I already suggested this.

 

[melonrabbit]

I don't think scum needs a counter for the chats but with it being a design choice for this game it would be weird if scum didn't have any way to be part of that design. Doesn't mean there's definitely scum between me, Sorian and Muffin could just be a power to read a night chat/message (I could see it as part of a JOAT and with blarg's poison still unaccounted for I'm fairly sure there's still another to flip)

"Counter" might be a poor choice of words but like an equivalent gossip role/shot.

 

[Aeleus]

This are the remaining players:

[Any] Sorian - UTC-6
[He/Him] Alexem - UTC+0
[He/They] Chuggernaut|Chuggs - UTC+6
[He/Him] Natiko - UTC-5
[He/Him] Ty4on|Ty - UTC+1
[He/Him] Franconp|Fran - UTC-3
[He/Him] Muffin - UTC+1
[They/Them] Aeleus - UTC+0
[They] melonrabbit|melon - UTC-8
[He/Him] Zippedpinhead|Zipped - UTC-6
[He/Him] nin1000|nin - UTC+1
[He/Him] turmoil7|turm - UTC-3

I'm town. Zipped is town. If Sorian is telling the truth Nin is town. Turm is very likely town (a kill was prevented N3 and Wiz tried to claim a protection role so Turm didn't get cred for that). Natiko is neutral.

That leaves us a PoE of:

Sorian
Alexem
Chuggs
Ty
Muffin
Ael
Melon

Sorian claimed hider/gossip. Alexem claimed a lie detector, something else?. Chuggs is a fruit vendor. Ty claimed commuter. Muffin is a gossip. Ael is lover. Melon have hide/track/commute.

How many protective roles does town have? Neon had several protections, Febe was also a bodyguard, HP could make a target ascetic and nexus (and both affected night kills). Does it makes sense of town having also a 2 hider shots (this are really weak) and 4 commute shots.

How many investigative roles town have? Febe had a cop shot. Zipped had one. Sorian and Melon have hider shots (this are weaker but a green check is good). We have 2 track shots. Lie detector is kinda of an investigative role.

We have 3 chats (without counting Natiko's).

What doesn't fit here?

I'm landing on Alexem + Ty4on + Muffin/Chuggs as the scum team.

-I don't see Sorian as partners with Wizard both from how Sorian scum read Wizard in the gossip chat and Wizards vote on Sorian last EOD.
-Melon just doesn't feel like they have a team and the claim makes sense to me
-I might be biased on that one other player.

I'm leaning more on muffin than chuggs atm but if we flip scum with some power relating to chats I'd go the other way

 

[Aeleus]

I already suggested this.

This being a possibility (though an unlikely one) is why I think we should get nat his supposed win condition sooner than later.

I don't think Nat has mentioned how many more xp he needs to get? I can understand Nat wanting some leeway to try and avoid town holding out on in an attempt to keep him around as an extra body but knowing how close he is to leaving would help my paranoia.

 

[melonrabbit]

Sorian claimed hider/gossip. Alexem claimed a lie detector, something else?. Chuggs is a fruit vendor. Ty claimed commuter. Muffin is a gossip. Ael is lover. Melon have hide/track/commute.

Also I believe only Muffin and Chuggs have claimed RNG to their roles.

 

[Aeleus]

Also I believe only Muffin and Chuggs have claimed RNG to their roles.

Geno had RNG stuff going on so it is a thing in this game

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Yeah wiz trying to fake the cred for the lack of an NK night 3 makes Turms backup claim (and save of me) pretty good in my mind now.

Plus a scum flipped with a ninja ability which balances all the tracking nonsense.

not sure what balances the alignment checks though. Weak hider typically isn’t it. Nexus does though

 

[Franconp]

I don't see Sorian as partners with Wizard both from how Sorian scum read Wizard in the gossip chat and Wizards vote on Sorian last EOD.

I agree. Last day doesnt' feel like a bus.

Melon just doesn't feel like they have a team and the claim makes sense to me

I haven't reread Wiz regarding Melon but I don't think that Wiz links his fake claim to a scum partner. At least not like he did it.

Also I believe only Muffin and Chuggs have claimed RNG to their roles.

Ty claimed RNG too:

Oh right. My role is kinda meh, especially with everything going on. I only have commuter abilities. More exp variants makes it more likely I successfully commute.

Which I still dislike.

 

[Muffin]

My question is what happens if I chat with someone tonight and they survive and back me up tomorrow. Some of y'all still think that's a scum role? The pattern so far has been that tiers have been one use and done, unless I'm forgetting something.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

My question is what happens if I chat with someone tonight and they survive and back me up tomorrow. Some of y'all still think that's a scum role? The pattern so far has been that tiers have been one use and done, unless I'm forgetting something.

What generates the chat? Is it RNGesus or do you decide?

I love night chats personally,

 

[Zippedpinhead]

And generally think of them as either prison or fun. Prison isn’t necessarily a scum ability too.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

So why not chat with me? At the very least it will draw the scum NK to me and you can say “see zipped said this would happen”

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Because I’m sure scum will try and NK anyone you predetermine to chat with for town cred just to mess with us

 

[Muffin]

Because I’m sure scum will try and NK anyone you predetermine to chat with for town cred just to mess with us

That's the reason I already sent my tier 2 command earlier and picked someone who I doubt will get killed. Else I'd have picked Fran probably.

 

[Muffin]

What generates the chat? Is it RNGesus or do you decide?

I love night chats personally,

I claimed that already but I'll say it again, my t1 is rng, my t2 is my choice, t3 is two people one rng one my choice

 

[Aeleus]

My question is what happens if I chat with someone tonight and they survive and back me up tomorrow. Some of y'all still think that's a scum role? The pattern so far has been that tiers have been one use and done, unless I'm forgetting something.

The idea I had in gossip was that your potential scum power could have extra rider effects like some of mine

e.g.
tier 1: gossip
tier 2: gossip + role cop chat partner
tier 3: gossip two players + role cop both of them

But regardless I'm hoping we flip scum with some anti-night chat power before I get to needing to figure you out.

But I think Muffin especially as a lot that un pairs him with both flipped scum

Could you expand on this? Because this post stuck in my mind as something that goes against my scum team theory and that ticks me off.

 

[melonrabbit]

I haven't reread Wiz regarding Melon but I don't think that Wiz links his fake claim to a scum partner. At least not like he did it.

He kept asking about his hat and quests. I really thought the hat was gonna be something.

 

[melonrabbit]

I agree. Last day doesnt' feel like a bus.



I haven't reread Wiz regarding Melon but I don't think that Wiz links his fake claim to a scum partner. At least not like he did it.



Ty claimed RNG too:



Which I still dislike.

So all the pure/non-JOAT roles supposedly have RNG?

 

[melonrabbit]

but also i'm impatient and don't want to waste a lot of time on this so

What happened to your impatience? And not wasting time? (Which I disagree that's what we are doing now)

 

[Franconp]

Could you expand on this? Because this post stuck in my mind as something that goes against my scum team theory and that ticks me off.

To me this makes me think that Muffin is not part of a team:

I was going to go after Muffin but after rereading this conversation I think he is town:















This doesn't seems like Muffin is teamed. He seems sincere about not knowing how the xp mechanic works. If he were part of a team they would have talked about this.

What's your take on that?

 

[Franconp]

So all the pure/non-JOAT roles supposedly have RNG?

I don't think so. Neon had a medic like role and no rng.

 

[melonrabbit]

So, I'm not gonna have as much time tomorrow for EoD. So I'm going put down my vote now.

Vote: Ty4on

I'm fine when I say nonsensical unhinged stuff but that's my gimmick. And I don't like the way ur suddenly running with the Nat/shopkeeper is scum theory after ignoring when I floated it before when it didn't concern u.

Still not feeling Ael and would vote there if it was viable but this is where we're at rn

 

[Sorian]

@Muffin I don't think there is any doubt you will show up in a gossip chat tonight. I'm not 100% on you being scum but there are plenty of worlds where you are gossiping or are being added to gossip but can still be scum. You can also just simply be a pure town gossip and scum could be spying on chats or something. I'm really not worried about it now. I think Ty is cracking a bit and I'm really curious why Alex is even more quiet than normal.

 

[Franconp]

Alexem is the only one who we only know one of the powers?

I think we know at least 2 of everyone else.

 

[melonrabbit]

I don't think so. Neon had a medic like role and no rng.

Neon's role I read as a JOAT just with traits suited for a healer type. Like mine are Rogue-like. But again JOAT might not be the best phrasing.

So for RNG we have commuter, vendor and gossip. I would be interested to know what their classes are.

And while I was gonna back to check Neon's flip I did stumbled across these posts as it is a pain to find day start/end on mobile.

Gave me some extra food (and hopefully not rotten fruit) for thought ...

I should also make a list, ISO-ed most of the playerlist earlier.

Town
Chuggernaut - Strong player, but have liked the motivation and way of treating this game

Town lean
The Wizard - Good prodding

Upper null
Muffin - Had pretty good vibes, very little solving IIRC
malus - Also decent vibes

Varying degrees of sus
Sawneeks - The Sorian read at #291 made me raise my eyebrow. It doesn't really say much and seems more like a justification for voting Sorian after I flip town. The line about Sorian positioning for me flipping town feels TMI-y (look at my MU vocab coming back D: ) and seems like a strange read to make when Sorian is in a way more treating me like someone who has flipped red by looking at who were late to reacting.

Alexem - Doesn't really seem to have an opinion of me. It's fine to be unsure, but the way he describes me feels like he's trying to make up a read instead of actually having one.

I've trimmed some of down to focus on the bolded takes. The sneeks/Ael feels like a lot of words to have something down for sus. I can understand even if I ultimately disagree with the Chuggs read but the reads of malus and Wiz outta place. Idk what go prodding from Wiz that early in the game is supposed to mean.

Not sure how I'm feeling on the read for Alex.

Reading around the room:

• I generally feel OK with the higher posters at the moment - Chuggs, Sorian, Melon and Sneeks all feel to me as though they're working on advancing the game. Can't rule out the possibility of there being a meanie in the mix, but I don't think I could confidently point the finger at any of them for that.
• Wizard feels OK, I get that our reasoning's different but I felt that when he was questioning me over my thoughts on Ty it came from an earnest place. I could put Nat here too, although I'd like to hear more from his direction in general.
• Ty and Neon I've already discussed at length, so I think my opinion's clear there - I'd like to resolve the Ty situation somehow and I don't think the two are scum mates.
• Geno and Muffin have popped in here and there, I don't really have any solid feelings on either. (No offence taken at Muffin being up for shooting me D1, even I get frustrated with how I am in early phases.)
• That leaves Nin, Malus and Zipped. I thought Nin looked OK early on, but he's gone quiet since. Malus has popped up occasionally and I see he's just checked in, so I don't think I've got anything too concrete to tie to him now - I wasn't keen on the Turmoil vote, but I can see the sense in pressuring Cap, just as long as that's not for the sake of abandoning a wagon that's not taken off. Zipped left a impression on me of looking engaged right at the start, but that doesn't tie up with his activity or the contents of those posts. Could be trying to fly low, but it could also be IRL limitations - either way, though, if he stays in the game, he needs to speak up more.

(Again I've trimmed some of this down to focus on bolded take)

Feels very hesitant to put anything down that's solid and I get this early on in the game at this point but I feel that's been a trend thats continued. I also dunno why anyone would describe melon on d1 as "advancing the game" or like ever.

Gonna sleep on a few thoughts but for now def sticking with Ty.

 

[melonrabbit]

Alexem is the only one who we only know one of the powers?

I think we know at least 2 of everyone else.

Did Ael say or is it all chat based?

 

[Franconp]

Did Ael say or is it all chat based?

If I'm not wrong they said 3 lovers chats with different modifiers.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Geno had RNG stuff going on so it is a thing in this game

It's actually kind of funny after him saying he didn't think we had similar roles we sure had PM's that were worded in a very similar way.

Anyway @Ty4on can you get out of the Sorian tunnel please. I don't think this is it and we have a better targets today.

@Sorian I see what you're saying about the Ty post, but I really don't see it as an issue. Reads more like he's just throwing out possibilities rather then seriously considering it and I never got the impression he was trying to seriously push the scum Nat world.

I really don't think it's Ty or Sorian here and I don't care for these two looking like the major wagons.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Alexem is the only one who we only know one of the powers?

I think we know at least 2 of everyone else.

I haven’t said what ever of my other skills are other than “not anything related to alignment checking”